I couldn't get it off my mind, I had to, yeah, hold up a psychologist. This can't go on. Danny Carragher is a Liverpool stalwart, 700 in the state of the odd appeal team. Never got a good knowledge in Danny Carragher.
He's a winner. That's just ridiculous. I'm no huge Ronaldo fan, I think that's pretty obvious. It's sad for him, the way he's got messy towards the end of his career and Ronaldo is completely different.
It's almost like he feels like he's not natively, but so much admiration for him for his mental strength. To be able to get some fresh air criticism, I saw too many players never recover from that. Renewed from the first time I played football, to me, minimum is all that mattered. If you say to me, what do I miss most of being a professional footballer?
It's winning. When Jamie loses the game, is he different? I punish myself when I didn't perform well, and I regret that. But there was always that thing of, am I going to work?
I was just driving myself mad, and I was at my absolute peak and best. That's when I needed more help. The fear in your stomach is that bad, it's just, it's only there. I always remember, and it's the only time I've ever did this in my whole career.
Much of your success has been a result of a winning mentality in some of the toughest moments. Where does that come from? The reason why I've become a player I have, I think it's. Jamie, when I start this podcast, I usually start with people's childhoods, but as I was reading through your story, I think this is the first time I'm going to start before the person was even born.
Because I read that there was a possibility that you weren't even going to be born because of a, I guess a misdiagnosis that your mother was giving about you. Can you take me back to that? Yeah, that was, what have you been about? What have you been about?
1977, obviously. 78th I was born. And my mum had two miscarriages before me. And then when I, well, she fell pregnant with me.
The doctors, nurses didn't know what was wrong with me, something was wrong. And initially they were saying, you think your child has got spina bifida. And I think, in those days maybe, I don't know if it's the same now. There's a chance you could take me to pregnancy if the baby was whatever, you know what I mean.
And my mum was given that option. And my mum's very whole, probably at that stage, in her early 20s, she'd be going to church every day. She still goes every Sunday now. So her thing was now, the way she says to me was, if our Lord wants me to have a baby who's got spina bifida or maybe something else, that's what's been decided for me.
That's fine as my child, I love that child. And what I find fascinating when you think of, sort of, today, is that the closer it got to me being born, it wasn't spina bifida, but you still knew something was at night. And it wasn't until I was born that I had basically my insides were on the outside. So I have gastrocythus, it's called, the condition.
Now I've got a big scar right across my stomach. I mean, if someone has that condition today, and plenty of babies do, it's a really small scar. But the thing that I think is fascinating, you know, just makes me think, wow, on my mum's side, is the fact that, as soon as I was born, I was rushed away, straight away to Alderay Children's Hospital, which is still going strong today, and because of where I've gone to it, she had a real link with the hospital. And through our charity, we actually funded the ward that was after babies who have what I had.
But I get rushed away to Children's Hospital, and my mum doesn't know anything. There's no phones, there's no, she's still in the SACC hospital. Obviously, I've got a problem, straight up to Alderay, my dad goes straight there. But again, the technology isn't like that.
I'm just thinking, how long it must have been before, when my mum knew I was all right, what I had, how quickly did I have to go? You know, you're not quite fab on that, when you think about today, and how quickly did I get in touch with different people, so I just think about what was going through my mum's mind for the next hour or two until she probably found out everything was okay. Your knowledge of that story and that experience, has that left a lasting impact or impression on you? In terms of the decision your mum made, your mum made, or being whisked away, or the operation, or having a scar, or anything like that, has that left any sort of impression on you at all?
Yes, all about my mum, I would say, you know, to have two miscarriages, to have that going through your third pregnancy, to think you could lose the baby, no one can quite give you a definitive answer about what's going on with this child and just look. And then to not know straight away, I just, I only know of now, and when people have kids, and my own kids, and everything's so documented, isn't it? I'm going to be there with the baby when the baby's born. I wasn't actually, maybe we can get to that later, I wasn't there for my first one.
And that's something I do regret, but I just think about how my mum must have felt, and sort of me looking at my mum's mind, I've been very lucky in my life, I know, lead the experience I've had. You know, it's not there for me when it doesn't make, you know, same business. It's not going to be there, of course, but yeah, for me when it's sort of make that decision, and I'm still here today. What about your dad?
Talk to me about him and his character, and what impact that happened on you before the age of 10? He's a real big character. Yeah, you know, he'll be in the pub, he'll have a debate, he'll go up and sing, he'll have an argument with someone, he's like a real, larger-than-life sort of character. Who did you care about impressing the most?
Just not even in the context of your parents, but just who were you trying to impress when you were young? Because for me, you know, I've been my brothers, I've been a dad, I've been a teacher. Who were you trying to impress? I mean, the obvious one to say is my dad, because he was the one who was always there in terms of, he talked about football.
Yeah, yeah. Me mum never watched him play football. Okay. I mean, me mum must have watched me play five times in my life, and that's not going to do with not being proud of me or not being able, I know it's not the dumb thing now, but it was always the case of my dad took us to football, I'm staying at home, you know, and did what we associate with women and things, and now, obviously, that type of comment or then thought sitting back then, because there's sexist now, right, you saw.
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