Today's guest, it's his second time coming in here, and man, this guy, he reminds me of like the Incredible, incredible, he reminds me actually of a little bit like the dad for the Incredibles, I think. I was going to say Incredible Hulk, but he's more evolved than that. He is retired Navy SEAL author and host of the Jocko podcast, my friend Jocko Willink. Yeah, that's the thing about a lobster, man, is really the travel cost.
People won't think about that when they see them, people won't think about the travel cost of going and getting that bastard running it back and forth. Dude, they have a new thing now where they'll have a steel crane, which is like, you know, a thing that the kids put the money in and they can do the control, and you can get a lobster out. And you try to win the lobster, like I said. For real?
Yeah, and it's usually like a shitty bar or something. It's not even like, yeah. So I spent like $9 in one of the airport, I spent about $9 trying to get a lobster. And then, here's the thing, I finally got one.
I had to go, yeah, I had to get my flight. So I was like, what are you doing? I don't go back in there. I was like, I can't, you know, I can't check this lab, bro.
So. Oh, yeah, yeah, a couple of players. Now, this was Tropic Thunder. Yeah, yeah.
This one ended up in black. You know, you want to know why, because it's really a pina colada. Oh, really? That's a flavor, but I can't, you know, doggo can't be calling something pina colada, right?
Yeah, a little shock. A little bit, not what we're looking for. A little shock, you've already came out of the colada. It's because you just called it Tropic Thunder, and you're good.
Do people, when they need to expect you to be kind of violent, you feel like? The funny thing is, people meet me, and they're like, you're like, I'm 5'11. Some of the time. Yeah.
But not all of the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you feel like that you, whenever you started podcasting, really, because so many people love your show, do you feel like that in the beginning you were different than you are now? Like, it's that you were more of an entertainer?
Like, I'm just wondering what that journey's been like for you at all. Honestly, no. I don't feel like it's going to be different. I'm just doing the same kind of stuff I've always been doing.
I've always been doing what I'm doing right now. It's just that now there's a window to it for people to see what's going on and see kind of the light through my eyes. Right. I don't, it's hard.
You know the deal. You can't be someone else on a podcast for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of talking. You can't play a role. You know, you just, eventually the real you is there.
And so for me, I've just always kind of been, that's just me. You know, that's just me. Do you, um, do you still, do you find that you're getting a little bit, you know, I know that Jocko doesn't age, but you know, if you look at the calendar, you've been alive longer than you were. Last time I saw you, it was maybe a year and a half ago, a year ago.
Yeah, you were on our first guest, I think, actually, wasn't he? He was very early on. It was over a year ago, but. We were nervous, bro.
I remember calling my service provider. I was like, no, I can send him a picture. Yeah, good call. This guy's coming.
I make him angry. I don't know what's going to happen. Who'd be the end? This guy's been drinking his own plasma, I think.
I forgot what I was even asking, man. Oh, there you go. That's what you were talking about your memory. I was listening to your podcast today.
You were talking about your memory failing quite a bit. Yeah, I think this. Oh, no, you were talking about your emotional memory. And that's why you keep making the same mistakes.
Mistakes all the time. Mistakes, yeah. See, I think I have a good emotional memory. Really?
Like, locked. Wow. I don't remember what that feels like. I'm not doing that again.
So then at least I'm like, not just like playing from behind all day. I don't feel like it. By active, do you mean like some kind of physical activity? Or do you just mean more proactive in the way you approach your day?
Both, actually. So more physical activity. Instead of just thinking, like, the second I think, okay, I should go for a gym. I should go to the run.
I should, you know, get an appointment for a trainer. You know, I know you don't have a trainer, but. It's like, yeah. You couldn't even imagine some soft man yelling at you with a whistle, dude.
But, yeah, it's like, I just go ahead and do it. And then just to try and approach my day a little bit more, like, just like, okay, I want to do this. I call it, like, going on offense. And it just, yeah, once it gets in my brain, that's where it's not good, you know?
It's like when I'm in action, that's when, yeah, everything will work out usually okay as long as I get my action going, you know? So, yeah, for recently it's just been just something I guess I've been struggling with is just finding that motivation. So, but now I feel like I'm getting a little bit more like, all right, let's just go, you know? Let's go, let's get in motion.
And I know it, but sometimes it's like I'll have learned a lesson and then it'll just kind of fade away a little bit, you know? And then off the, or, you know, the value, like the new practices I have in my life, sometimes they go by the wayside. It's like I have to kind of recalibrate. Well, I always tell people you can't sit around waiting until you're motivated to do something.
Because if you sit around waiting until you're motivated to do something, who knows when that's going to come? It may come, but it may not come. And it may only come twice a week. And if it only comes twice a week, that's a lot less than you actually need.
So you don't wait, you don't wait, you just put the discipline on. You know, you put the discipline on. And when you wake up, you go do what you're supposed to do. And the crazy thing is, speaking of emotional memory, you know when you get done you're going to feel better.
Like, that's a guarantee. If you go to the gym, you get your workout in, or you do whatever thing you know you're supposed to do, it's a guarantee that when you get done, you're going to feel better. So remember that emotion, and put that thing into play, so you can actually get it done the way you're supposed to. Yeah, I wonder why then sometimes I'll know how to help myself, and sometimes I still don't want to.
That's the whole world, right? That's the whole world. Everyone, you know, who wants to eat the broccoli instead of the Twinkie, right? People are like, oh, they're going to eat the Twinkie.
Everybody knows that it's bad for them. But they're just, what, you ever been to a 7-Eleven? You know, what do they sell? They don't sell broccoli for trouble.
They just sell candy, straight sugar, main lining sugar, corn syrup, get it in the veins. And people are, that's all day. That's what happens. So it's not like you're different.
You're in the same boat as everybody else. Yeah, and I guess that's a good point. That's the boat you have to get out of. It's not like that's a, if you're behaving that way, that you've been sentenced to that.
That's the baseline. Yeah, yeah. No different than everybody else. Right.
That's the baseline is that, yeah, it's not like, fuck, man, I'm not making great decisions for myself. Most people aren't. That's why there's a difference between when we do and when we don't and kind of getting out of that. Really, it's like a slumber.
I feel like it gets into all, once it starts to seep into one aspect of my life, it kind of starts to seep around you. Well, the good thing is, is when you put some discipline in your life, that seeps around too. Yeah. So when you start doing things, you start doing more things.
Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's classic, right?
You have one of those weekends where you're like, you know what, I think I'm just going to order pizza. Oh, yeah. Well, then, so you order that pizza, you know, from whatever, Gray Block. Oh, yeah.
You order that Gray Block hitter. Yeah. And you get the triple cheese, and you get the meat, whatever. And so then you just dive into that thing.
And what does that do? Well, you think, well, since I did that, I'm not even going to go for a run. Right. I'm just going to kick back.
And then, you know, you start going down that. I'm going to get ice cream. I'm going to do weed or something. I'm going to watch my children.
I'm going to call my mom. You know, I'm going to sleep outside. You know, you're just like, there you go. That's a little decision.
But when you say, when you're about to dial the number, and you say, you know what, no, I'm just going to make a salad right now and put a chicken in it and just eat that clean. And then you get done with that, you say, you know, I feel pretty good. I'm going to get a run done. Get a run in.
Get a run in. Get a run in. Get a run in. Get a run in.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's funny. I wonder, especially, do you find as we get into more of like an automated, almost an automated humanity in a way, do you feel like it's becoming harder for people to make good choices for themselves? Are they up against like greater evils?
Do you have any thoughts like that or it's still? I suppose there's some. I mean, let's face it, it's a lot easier to order pizza than it is to go out and huck a spear out of buffalo. Yeah, buffalo or a pepperoni.
Yeah, yeah. Some banana peppers. Yeah. So that's definitely a difference.
And even today, I mean, you know, you live in LA. I live in San Diego. You can pretty much get anything you want into your house in maybe two hours maximum. Yeah, so if there's some evil food that you want to eat, you can get it and it's going to be delivered to your door.
So even the resistance, you know, some people are like, well, you know, I'd really like to have, I'd really like a chocolate donut right now, but I don't want to go all the way to the store. Maybe that saves some people. Now that saves your golf, because now they're just on their phone and they've got chocolate donuts stacking up at the front door. So that could be a problem.
That could be a problem. So if that's starting to occur, then there really is kind of becoming a line between if we're going to be strong enough to make choices for ourselves or if we're going to not, you know, like, do you think that or is that, you think it's just still the same and there's always been like, you know, back in the day, maybe a duck would wander up to your door. You're like, oh, I'll never have any duck, you know, and then a fucking mallard lands, you know, when you're welcome back and you're like, oh, you know. Yeah, I think we also, but I think we're more aware now of the effects, the negative effects of this bad stuff, you know, because let's face it, when I was a kid and I was thirsty, probably the same as you, when I was a kid and I told my mom, like, I'm thirsty, she'd be like, cool, there's Cokes in fridge and I'd go drink three of them, right?
Like no factor. This was just what it was. Hey, I'm hungry. What am I going to eat?
A Snickers bar. Yeah. That's a little motto. Snickers satisfies.
That's a little motto. So, hey, payday bar. It was a health bar. Oh, it was a health bar.
Yeah, I was like, hey, this is good for you. Which I didn't even really compute that. I was like, food, right? Food's good for you.
So, we're more aware. Like, even my, I got one daughter that's only 10 years old and she knows that. She's like, look, there's a ton of sugar in this. She's 10 years old.
So, I think people are more aware. I mean, you know, my parents, it wasn't them being bad parents. Right. It was just what was going on.
It was just what was going on. The dang, what were they called funny bones. Have you ever had a funny bone? It was like chocolate cup.
It was kind of like a Twinkie situation, but it was chocolate. It had chocolate draped over it. But then the inside was a creamy pita butter filling. So, you know, you could just, you could, and it wasn't no thing.
It's not a bad deal. At least throwing a couple in there in a coffin. Food funny bones right there. Drakes.
I couldn't remember that. So, yeah, my mom would buy, you know, like, they got a 10 pack right there. Yeah, my mom would buy like three of those and just be, hey, what do you have for breakfast? A funny bone.
Maybe three. So, I think even though there's some things that make it easier to be less healthy nowadays, I think at least we're aware of it. We're not, we're not mainlining Coca-Cola in the morning. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess there is. Yeah, I remember, and as kids would make that sound after, ah, after we drank it, it was like, that was like a big thing. But yeah, getting a Coke was, and your parents had Diet Coke, and you thought that was crazy. Like, what fucking creepy senior is sipping that shit.
But yeah, so, yeah, it's like. I actually, I'm pretty sure I remember, I think I remember a world before Diet Coke. Actually, there was something called Tab. Oh, yeah.
Remember Tab? It was really, it had a very large font on him. I think that was the first kind of diet soda. Oh, really?
Yeah, that I can remember. Because Coke was just Coke. There wasn't even anything else. It wasn't Coke, Lightens, Coke, everything else.
It was just Coke. Yeah. With 97 grams of corn syrup per shot. Coke, yeah, they're supposed to refresh you.
That's insane to me. Yeah, but that's how it was. But yeah, I guess I wonder if there was any positives to it. I mean, sugar's such a killer.
How much sugar's in this? Zero. Oh, really? Yeah, so what tastes good, what's making your sweetness is that there's something called monk fruit in it, which is.
Religious, no? It's not very religious. It's something like, you know, 87,000 times more sweet than sugar. I don't know what the numbers, but it's something like that, so super sweet.
Three times softer than cotton, you mean? Yeah, yeah. But it's just, it's a fruit. And so we just put a little bit of that in there and it makes it taste sweet.
It tastes natural. So yeah. Yeah, it's pretty smooth. So they're all go, Jocko, go?
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And your kids are drinking it. Yeah, there's too much caffeine in it for a kid.
There's 95 milligrams of caffeine in it. Oh, fuck, man. Yeah, yeah. So are you going to go crazy now?
I don't want to join the ROTC or something this afternoon. No, it's like the same as a cup of coffee. Okay. Would you guys, did you do ROTC when you were younger?
No, no. Because I remember there was this group at our school, it was like ROTC. Nobody told us, first of all, what it was, which was a huge alarm. Because suddenly after school, there were these kids running around the school with wooden guns.
You'd be like, what is going on? Yeah. For me, I wasn't into that part of the military. I wasn't into thinking, hey, let's march around.
Yeah. I was into the commando stuff. So when I actually got in trouble on the soccer team, because I was leading runs and I was singing cadences. And I remember getting in trouble for singing the cadence of Ho Chi Minh is a son of a bitch.
I was into that kind of thing. Were you all playing Ho Chi Minh? No, no. You're like, oh, it's a goal.
It's a goal, not a foxhole. Everybody out of the goal. Yeah. So we didn't even have ROTC in my school.
I grew up in a really small town in New England. There was 85 people in my graduating class. Oh, wow. It's really small.
So was it more the leadership then? I'm trying to figure out that kind of pinpoint what it was. Bro, do you remember when you were a little kid, like, pretending that a stick was a gun? Oh, yeah.
G.I. Joe, all that. That's it. And that was just a real strong feeling for me.
Every kid, that's all we did. Yeah, most of the kids stopped doing that. Yeah, I didn't. Wow.
And when people would look and say, oh, they're fucking elbow crawling across the graduation stage. People see somebody walking around with a briefcase when you're a little kid and be like, wow, that person, they're getting a Cadillac. Like, whoa, that person's something, like, powerful, a banker or something. Right.
And I've never had that thought. I only thought, whoa, that guy's got a machine gun. That guy's getting into a tank. Yeah.
And that just was what I always wanted to do. Wow. That's cool, man. So I said I just never stopped.
Yeah. And here you are. Mm-hmm. We had so many wonderful questions that came in.
I just want to get into some of them because they'll lead us into some conversation stuff, too. Sounds like you're out of good questions. Oh, no, I'm not. I'm not, but people had so many comments there.
That's awesome. Yeah, it was really good. Do we look over there? Is that the deal?
Yeah, we'll just look over here. Yeah, cool, cool. Hey, guys. Jason here.
I just wanted to reach out and say thank you for what you guys are doing. I do have a question, I guess, for both of you. I know a few of the podcasts, you guys are talking about how you're going to keep your emotions right and keep them under wraps, if you will. I'm doing my best.
I'm currently at 440 pounds. I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, which I stopped breathing like 64 times an hour, which is insane. I'm on a machine now, so I'm getting that right. Trying to get my eating right with the keto and the whole good thing.
But I've had these peaks and valleys of how I've gone up and down with my weight, struggling with food. And a life, you want to be able to live, man. I can't imagine, but you don't feel trapped, I think, at that weight. Yeah, yeah, but I mean...
But motivated, it sounds motivated. Yeah, it'd be really easy to think, hey, you're trapped at that weight, but man, he's alive, he's on the right path right now, you know? And I would say, I always tell these people, you can't let your emotions dictate what you're going to do. What's the kind of conversation we just had?
Because I mean, if you think about motivation, it's really just an emotion. It's just an emotion. You feel really good and motivated, you can't let your emotions dictate your actions. You've got to let your logic dictate your actions.
And hey, it's not going to feel good every day. This morning, I didn't feel like working out. I was sore. I've been working hard for the last few days.
I did not feel like working out at all. And I went down there, and I went through the motions. And you know what? You know, people say, you're just going through the motions.
I was like, yes, I was. But that's better than not going through the motions, because I got down there. I did the work. It wasn't the best workout I've ever had.
No records were broken. Nothing was crazy. But I went down there and did what I was supposed to do. There was no motivation involved whatsoever.
Zero. I was unmotivated. I was motivated to just snuggle into bed. Yeah.
But no. So don't let your emotions dictate. And peaks and valleys, guess what? When I feel down, it's like, okay, you know what?
That's going to pass. Yeah. And the way you make it pass is through action. It's what you just said.
Yeah. You said, you know what? I get going. That's not good.
That's the same thing to Jason. Hey, Jason, if you're not feeling like it, you know what? Do what Theo does. Just stop that.
Stop thinking about it. And just go and go for the walk. Go get on the treadmill. Whatever exercise you can start doing, start doing it.
And the other thing is, look, man, this is a long war. This isn't a battle you're going to fight one day, two days. You're in a campaign. Yeah.
In a campaign. World War II. Four years of combat to get where you want to go. Maybe seven years.
Maybe eight. I don't know. But part of, you don't have to think, hey, if only I could get the end. Man, enjoy where you're at right now.
Yeah. I know it sounds crazy, but you said, dang, Trapton. Man, you're lucky. You're lucky.
You know, I got friends that have been so severely wounded. Yeah. You know, they can't go for a run. They lost their legs.
They lost their arms. They lost their vision. Whatever. Hey, man, you're good to go.
You're good to go. Go out. Yeah. And like you said, live.
Yeah. I mean, that's it. It's like you got to keep, you have to get moving. You know, you have to get, it's just, it's so funny, man, because that's one thing that I've, I think in the past year that I've definitely had an easier time with is when I don't feel good.
Even just recently, man, knowing, really starting to know at a real level, not just like hearing and hoping, but knowing that, that that will pass, that how I'm feeling is not always real. Some of us are, you know, it's just like we just have maybe thicker emotions or deeper emotions. You might have bigger highs and bigger lows. But it's almost like nobody told us in the beginning, like, hey, how you feel isn't exactly what's going on sometimes.
Like, yeah, you might feel like shit, but you just, like, you just keep going, you know? And yeah, the unmotivation, it's funny, it's like when I'll go to the gym and stuff and I don't want to, or when I'll go for a run, once I get to about eight minutes and you start to hit that sweat a little bit, about seven and a half minutes, that's when I start to actually start to, I almost feel ashamed of myself for even feeling good a little bit. Because I was so sad, I'm like, oh, I'm going to have such a shitty, you know, oh, I'm going to show myself, I'm going to have a shitty time, I'm going to have a shitty day. And then I'll get kind of moving and stuff, and I'm like, fuck, man, I'm almost enjoying myself a little bit.
You know what I'm thinking about right now? Because people always ask, well, how did you get this way? Like, to me. Oh, yeah.
And as I'm sitting here thinking about it, one of the things that... You obviously got bit by an American eagle. No, think about this. So when I was in SEAL teams, and as I moved through my career, I moved into leadership positions, right?
Well, when I was in leadership positions, you can't be moping around. Because if your guys see you moping around or being negative, they're going to react, they're going to follow you, right? They're going to take the way your actions are. So at some point, pretty early, I realized, oh, if I act like that, everyone's going to act like that.
So I can't act like that. So if I don't feel like doing something, the last thing I'm going to do is say, hey, guys, oh, man, I don't feel like doing... No one's going to say that. So that's what you realize.
And so then you power through it, and you power through it over and over and over again. You realize, you know what? My emotions, as you said, they're not real. They're not going to impact the way I'm actually going to act.
Yeah, Jason, that's a muscle. It really is a muscle. It's like it really is a muscle of breaking through that little barrier. It's so thin, too, that barrier of I'm not going to do this.
It's so... It's crazy because it feels so heavy sometimes. But it's so thin, man. And it changes.
Like, you know, like I'll... And then the rest of my day is always better. It's always better. I try to explain that to people all the time.
Even though it sucks to leave your pillow in the morning, the rest of your day will absolutely be better. And you're right. That little barrier, the hardest part about the gym is going to get there. That's the hardest part.
Yeah. The hardest part about not eating whatever sort of crap is sitting for a bag of Cheetos is sitting there. If you just take it away and just walk away, you'll be fine. You won't think about it.
You're not going to be thinking about it for an hour. Right? How long have you been? If you just throw that bag of Cheetos away...
Like in your journal. You're not despondent. Your chest are. Yeah.
Sorry about what happened. You're just moving on. So put yourself somewhere else. Throw the Cheetos as far as you can throw them.
Walk away. Walk away. Yeah, Jason, what's interesting is your life has set you up with a real... You've got a journey in front of you, which is kind of cool.
It's kind of cool to have... You're at war. Yes. You have a mission.
Yeah. That's awesome. That's pretty cool, yeah. Because a lot of life, sometimes it's just you're not finding your war sometimes.
Some of it is some of that aimlessness sometimes. But you've got it, man. I think, yeah, that emotional part is just don't believe those feelings sometimes because we all have them. I mean, I think one of Jocko's skills or one of his skills besides being a beverage entrepreneur, that's actually pretty much better.
I'm starting to get scared. I got the recruiters inbound. I'm afraid that if I have one more set, somebody's going to parachute into the ceiling. But part of one of his things that he seems to have really mastered is not letting that first voice be the loudest and having your own voice against that.
Good luck, Jason, man. Maybe check in. Can we check back in with Jason, maybe? Absolutely.
And just see what's going on. Because I would just even love to know how you move forward. What happens emotionally, no matter what direction you're going in with some of your choices of what's making you feel down or what's making you feel up. We have one question I know about tapping out.
Do we have that one in here? Yes, I do. All right. I want to know from Jocko.
And Theo, I love you. Boy, you're my boy, Theo. But I want to know how quick he thinks he'd be able to tap you out. Just because I think it'd be kind of interesting.
I think some other people want to know, too. But you're still my boy, Theo. I fucking love you, bro. But how quick does Jocko think he'd be able to tap you out?
And then also, do you think you'd be able to tap him out? Like if you did like bath salts or something? I know that shit has people feeling just luby, bro. That's my question.
Dang, man. That's a good question, dude. Have you ever trained Jiu-Jitsu before? I mean, I've trained.
Like, I've had, you know, I've chased like a small animal around the house. Have you ever trained Jiu-Jitsu before? No, I have not. Yeah, that's going to be a problem.
Yeah, that's going to be a problem. It wouldn't take very long. It wouldn't take very long. What do you think you'd be able to do?
And this is the thing, man. I always try to explain to people, it's not because I'm a badass at all. It's because I trained for a really long time. So what, like, sport are you really good at?
Probably outdoor activities, probably. That's not a sport, bro. Sorry, sorry. Let me think about something.
Probably basketball. Okay, so let's say you and I were, let's say I never played basketball ever in my life. Right. And you and I played one-on-one.
How long, how, do you think I'd even score one single basket? I bet you scored one based on some of your abilities. Okay, so one single basket and you beat me 11-1, right? So in Jiu-Jitsu, it's the same thing.
I just know, I know the game. You don't know the game at all. And so it would be really easy. It would be really easy, not just for me, but anyone that trained Jiu-Jitsu.
What do you think, three, four minutes, probably? To tap you out? No, no, no, no, no, no. What if I was wearing a real slippery suit or something?
That might gain you a little bit of time, but we're talking sub one minute. Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's windy, I've trained before.
I'm good in the wind. You've trained before, though, right? You've trained Jiu-Jitsu? Okay, yeah.
Then that's where that little hesitation is. That's what's amazing about it. Same thing when I first trained. When I first trained, I just graduated from SEAL training.
Jesus. I thought I was the man. Yeah. And I was 19 years old.
I was, you know, you just got done. It's the most elite training in the world and all this stuff. I had 19. Yeah, and so this old master chief, like the oldest guy I'd ever seen.
Jesus. He was probably like 40. Yeah. So.
Remember how old I was when I was? Yeah, yeah. I was looking at him like, Grandpa. You're like, damn.
Who's this old fucker with a driver's license? Yeah, so he goes, you know, who wants to learn how to fight? I'm like, hey, me. So he brings us out, brings us on the mat, and just lined up.
There's like five of us new guys. And he tapped us all out, damn, less than a minute each. And that's what it is. That's what Jiu-Jitsu is.
That's why people talk about it a lot. Because when it first happens to you, you can't even believe it. So immediately, when you get tapped out for the first time, you're 19 years old, and you're like, ah, I can take anybody. No, it's wrong.
Yeah, exactly. You're just pouring shots of your own urine. Right there. Just getting after that urine.
Oh, dude. I don't have a quarter of a good shit. You just don't know, and Jiu-Jitsu is a really powerful, powerful thing. And you should go train sometime.
I really want to go train. And I need to go train. I've been trying. I've been focusing on this.
You've been saying that for a while. Well, one of my fears is that I'm not flexible enough. That has nothing to do with anything. It has nothing to do with you not training.
I have people that come to my gym that start Jiu-Jitsu when they're 52 years old. Wow. Or 43 years old. Whatever.
It doesn't matter. You can get in there and you can train. Be careful. You don't want to train with some 19-year-old kid that's been training for like six months.
Right. That's all crazy. Right. Don't go with him because he's going to take your arm and put it on his wall at home.
That's the wall at home. You see that wall at home? He's like, oh, I've got that hitter. So watch out for that guy.
Well, other than that, if you find some people that are going to relax, it'd be cool. And yeah, you should definitely start training Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. The thing you should do is stretch.
I mean, I hope you want some kind of stretching protocol. That's a no. That's a no. Yeah.
That's a no that's not a lie though. That's a no. Exactly. Yeah, I do know.
But that's why stretching is so unsatisfying. I find it so unsatisfying. There's the Achilles heel. The Achilles heel for me.
Or just the thing that I really don't like doing. Even though I know it's beneficial, I don't like stretching a lot. Yeah. So because you just don't get done.
You always feel better. Yeah. There's less of that feeling when I get done. I'm not walking around like, yo, I just got done stretching out.
Look how far I can put a reach away. I don't do that. So that's why stretching. But yeah, if you got a bad back, you should definitely.
There's protocols you can do that. It'll definitely help your back out. For sure. For sure.
Yeah. No, I think maybe it is time, man. I think I need some stuff that makes me feel, yeah. I think just that kind of.
I think I could. Recently, I realized I need to put more things in my life that are just fun. You know, exciting. Just new adventures that keep me kind of like motivated and keep me doing things.
Like sometimes all I even do is just either podcast or just do stand-up comedy and it's great. But it's not like sometimes adding to my experience. Yeah. I love you just because it's always, you can always get better.
You always get tangled up. You always get tapped out by somebody. It's always evolving. That's what makes it.
That's one of the things that makes it really cool is just how much it evolves all the time. And it's, you don't ever feel like, I got this. Never feel like that. You always feel like, I can get a little bit better.
Yeah. I like that. Here's a guy that has something to say. Theo, Max from Mississippi.
Yeah, bro. Jocko, Logan Lighthunt for the first time with John Dudley, Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, Andy Stumpf. Yeah, man. I just got back from a hunt up in northern Utah, a bow hunt.
And I mean, you couldn't really ask for a better crew of people as you heard. He just rattled off. Yeah, I don't know Mr. Dudley, but Haynes is very intense.
He loves to hunt. Yep. Yep. And Dudley's the same way.
And then Rogan, he loves to hunt. And then Andy Stumpf loves to hunt as well. It was my first time going bow hunting. And yeah, it was awesome.
It was just awesome from the whole experience was awesome. How nice was the place? Was it a nice place? It was a nice place.
And that's another thing. So just to clarify, and people, there's like, you know how in different parts of the world, or different things in the world, there's like a little subculture in there, right? Oh, yeah. So like you're a comedian.
And I'm sure there's people that are like, well, you got such a good deal because you got this thing. And people look down on these. So there's all that stuff. I don't really know too much about it.
But I got the luck and the blessing of going on a really awesome hunt. Okay. It's something called private land. Right.
Which means not everyone can go hunt there. So there's more animals than there is if you do something called a public hunt. So public hunt is like, you're out there and anybody can hunt there. Maybe there's animals, maybe there's not.
Maybe there's somebody on drugs. Maybe somebody's camping. Yeah. So you might go out four, five, eight, ten days.
You might not even see an animal. Yeah. And the animal that you're hunting for. So I got really lucky, really blessed to be tied into this group and go out there.
And the hunt was awesome. The whole experience was awesome. There's something very primal, right? About going hunting.
Kind of like for me, it's like Jiu-Jitsu. I always say something primal about doing Jiu-Jitsu, right? Like you're fighting. You know when you were a little kid and you and your friends would just get sticks and put on helmets and just go to war with each other, right?
I mean, that's what we used to do. And that's what boys do that, right? So there's something primal and instinctive about just war. Same thing with hunting.
So you're out, you're stalking, you're sneaking around. It has a lot of correlations to my old job being in the Navy where you're trying to be quiet. You're setting up tactics. You're trying to maneuver on these animals.
Just like you can maneuver on the enemy. You've got to wreck them under a spotlight. You're like, tell us what you got. We have them elk at boys.
We have a recycling bin. So that was awesome. And going up there, it was really nice for me because I'm very busy all the time. I've always got stuff going on.
And we got up there and the internet didn't even. It worked. It was one little hill you could go over where you'd get internet for three minutes. But because of that, I just said, I'm just going to shut this thing off.
So it was really nice for me to be up there. And then you have one mission. And that's what's cool about, that's one of the best things about my old job. You've got one mission.
You go on deployment, you pack up your bags, you leave the world behind, and you have one mission. And that is to close with and destroy the enemy, take care of your guys. That's what you're doing. So that's what my first experience of hunting was, okay, I'm disconnected from the outer world, and I have one mission.