EPISODE · Jan 16, 2026 · 30 MIN
LEMON DROP | A Former DHS Official on ICE’s Crisis & Lack of Humanity
from The Don Lemon Show · host Lemon Media Network
Don sits down with journalist and CNN legal analyst and author of Five Bullets: The Story of Bernie Goetz, New York’s Explosive ’80s, and the Subway Vigilante Trial That Divided the Nation, Elliot Williams to talk about his new book and how its themes echo in today’s chaos. Williams’s Five Bullets revisits the infamous 1984 Bernhard Goetz subway shooting and the divisive trial that followed, exploring race, crime, fear, and how media and politics shaped public perception. As a former federal prosecutor and senior official in the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, Williams brings a unique perspective on how agencies like U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement have changed over time. He and Don discuss how enforcement priorities and the lack of humanity or training in some federal agencies today contrast with how law and justice should function, and why understanding history matters now more than ever. This episode is brought to you by OneSkin. Get up to 30% off OneSkin with the code DON at https://www.oneskin.co/DON #oneskinpod This episode is sponsored by the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Go to https://FFRF.US/NEW YEAR or text “DON” to Five Eleven Five Eleven. And help protect a country that belongs to all of us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Don sits down with journalist and CNN legal analyst and author of Five Bullets: The Story of Bernie Goetz, New York’s Explosive ’80s, and the Subway Vigilante Trial That Divided the Nation, Elliot Williams to talk about his new book and how its themes echo in today’s chaos. Williams’s Five Bullets revisits the infamous 1984 Bernhard Goetz subway shooting and the divisive trial that followed, exploring race, crime, fear, and how media and politics shaped public perception. As a former federal prosecutor and senior official in the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, Williams brings a unique perspective on how agencies like U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement have changed over time. He and Don discuss how enforcement priorities and the lack of humanity or training in some federal agencies today contrast with how law and justice should function, and why understanding history matters now more than ever. This episode is brought to you by OneSkin. Get up to 30% off OneSkin with the code DON at https://www.oneskin.co/DON #oneskinpod This episode is sponsored by the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Go to https://FFRF.US/NEW YEAR or text “DON” to Five Eleven Five Eleven. And help protect a country that belongs to all of us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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