Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome with David Ehrlich

Blackjack with Griffin and David Blackjack with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or do expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blackjack Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, podcast in times here It's a good Australian, you're getting better It's sort of subler Remember, no matter where you go There you podcast That line was written for the movie Well, that was the first time the next year Did this movie invent two-man and two-man leaves? Like, is this the movie that came up with that? I think so and this movie also invented fighting People had never come to blows before Thunderdome And then after this, everybody got a Thunderdome It became the hottest backyard accessory I just started out right off the gate The audacity of this movie, the confidence If this had been titled Mad Max, Colin Thunderdome, you go I can't wait to see what a Thunderdome is We're beyond Thunderdome We don't even know what Thunderdome is yet, but we don't need it We're beyond Thunderdome with this boy They're first telling you they're beyond what? Thunderdome I didn't even know that Thunderdome existed It didn't mean that you were beyond it When I understand, and what I want to see is a pie chart that shows all of the movies, the percentage of movies that take place on this side of Thunderdome It's like that are beyond Thunderdome Not many, I think a lot My favorite joke of all time, what they teach you at Harvard Business School What they don't teach at Harvard Business School Let me buy those two books, you're like, that's it All the knowledge, this movie is beyond Thunderdome And also I think Mystery Alaska That movie does have a Thunderdome J-Rach is the Rangers tying a fucking local Laskin hockey team It makes me so bitter I cannot stand it anyway Here's a question, is Mystery Alaska J-Rach's Second best film?

It sort of depends on where you fall on the Austin Powers He's best movies, Austin Powers one, no question It's no question, it's also one of the great debuts Yes, I really promise And then after that, it's sort of like, what do you want? You want a power sequel? Do you want one of the Plackers movies? Right, he did what?

Three? He did two? Are you weirdly into dinner for Schmucks? I always confuse him with Tom Shadyak That's fair, but Tom Shadyak's weirder Yeah, he's got a hair And then she's like, I'm very political and I'm very serious Right, he's like, yes, we have to talk about Trombo Yes, and he, we talk about Trombo And every episode of Wing Chat Which one of them did Bombshell?

Roach, right, Roach Shadyak this year did Brian Banks, the movie about the player who was the key deleted a lot of emails about them But here's the key distinction, is that Roach does the recount movie? Yes, that's right, he becomes the HBO electoral recreation movie Have you ever wanted to watch a Wikipedia page? Because Curtis Hanson, I think is supposed to direct that gets to it, drops out because Curtis Hanson had done Too Big to Fail Which is much better than Rico Agreed, he's a better director, he was a far better director than Jay Roach? Yes, I'll say, I'll say knives out, we're going beyond Thunderdome in this episode Is your director's answer or one director?

Okay, we'll get to see it in one second But Roach jumps into that movie last second, does just the most gentleman's straightforward job just directing the script I watched that movie while I was folding my laundry and it was okay Right, that movie's watchable, right? And then he wins an Emmy And he's like, hmm, legitimacy And then he just becomes all about like, I need to be taken seriously Except he also does dinner for Schmucks in the campaign He does, here's his last ten years, or whatever I do, three counts Schmucks, game change, the campaign That's him trying to split the atom and go, can I do both? Trombo, and then of course that's right I'm writing it in my bathtub Another HBO political movie, another cranset Another cranset, yes, and then of course bombshell The biggest bombshell of 2019, we all remember it Now Shadyak, it's the opposite, because both Roach and Shadyak Start out doing very broad, very silly, right? And then have their like come to Valhalla moment, right?

For Roach, it's, oh my god, I want an Emmy I'm a very serious politician now For Shadyak, it's like reading the secret Shadyak gets into a bicycle accident and has a brain injury And then gives away all of his personal belongings He has like a ringing in his ears problem, I think Right, but he's like all of this is meaningless Hollywood is a game that I don't want to play anymore He lives in like an air-string trailer And then he makes a movie called I Am I Am Excuse me, according to Wikipedia, this film asks the question What is wrong with the world and what can I do about it? Good question, hey, running time, 76 minutes So clearly that movie solves the problem, fast But they like, there was, I think a New Yorker piece on him where they talked about that he was still getting like $10 million offers to direct big studio comedies And he'd be like, Shadyak, we need you direct the incredible Mr. Limpet And he'd be like, the only way I'll do is I can rewrite the entire script and make it about fracking Here's Shadyak Here's Shadyak's run Yeah, Ace and Tripet detective What you ask him about it, Ace is just about love It's about pure love He does get a blow-dub like five minutes into that movie From a fucking woman, that movie is insane It's a loving blow-dub though Yeah, number two, Nadi Professor, huge hit And people forget Eddie Murphy swept the critics' awards for Best Actor That movie was everywhere And it was coming off of like seven straight years of Eddie Flops Now, number three, and here I'm going to read Fran Hoffner's review Her letterbox review of this film, which I have memorized The film is called Liar Liar and Her Review He can't lie Which is a movie I've seen like 40 times and it is pretty bad No more it's your any slander on this one More Tear any's grey She does have a pretty, it's a junkie role Currently in like season three of her not making out with Dr. John Carter on ER That's the one that takes a while, no spoilers, but they do Alright, then Patch Adams, which I guess is sort of his Michael Bay doing Pearl Harbor It's like, can I blend what I'm known for with Oscar Bay?

It's Michael Bress doing Sensible Woman, and it's Sorry, Jesus Christ, Michael Bress and Martin Bay They got combined in a Transformer race Yes, yes, which is critically reviled But it's like enormous success Yeah, but can we talk up, can we come up with a phrase for that Which I've just discovered where it's like the director's like, I'm going to do my thing Plus Oscar Bay. That's the thing about Pearl Harbor It's not him making Green Book though Green Book I think is the same thing, Green Book is so comedyish I know it is, I know, I guess that's the more quote unquote successful version of it It's sort of like looking for Valhalla idea, looking for legitimacy But yeah, I don't know, then, yeah Well, we can crowd sorts of it, then Dragonfly Don't forget Dragonfly Now that's him just going totally off the reserve That's the partner near the experience of the movie Humble I think the most recent episode of the show that aired at the time we're recording this was the Richard Gating Mary episode In which Boob Fielding was discussed I forgot about that Then Bruce Almighty, colossal hit People forget In both cases, Liar Liar was coming after There were both like Carrie Lee Bowne's No, Liar Liar's before Truman Show is after Cable Guy They're both like Carrie just being like, let me give you a comedy, I'm going to make some faces and introduce people Thank you It's also like Post-Numbra 23 or is it pretty? It was the three drummedies and then he comes back and does it straight down the middle Just funny And it opens to $70 million Griffin, I remember that opening till the day I die all night I had 240 domestic And then Evan Almighty Which is, that's the blank check If we did Shabby Act Evan Almighty is, he was like, look, if I'm making this movie, it's going to have a serious environmental message The film is half PSA, sort of in like tone And it also costs $180 million It was quite pressing Lauren Graham was commanding a heavy fee at the time, two more girls at the height of popularity They always say the three things you don't do are shoot on water Don't build arcs Lauren Graham and Steve Curl's life But the other thing is that was the first movie where Shabby Act was like, we're going to be the first studio movie to be carbon neutral And there were not the mechanisms in place Hey, look, it's pioneering stuff I feel like that movie feels like it's always a hair away from just becoming a Christian family value film And it's fighting that impulse for you in a hard time Then he did I Am and then last year he had Ryan Banks Which I just remember getting these emails, it's like he was a football player who's accused of rape And I was like, is this like a movie we need to have right now? And I never saw it, it actually made $4.4 million so Morgan Freeman all over the trailer A lot of the cute trailers out there were finally a movie for us Morgan Freeman's in it uncredited But all over the trailer, it feels like they used all 30 seconds of his performance in the trailer I do love Aldous Hodge, I feel like anytime that guy's in a movie I'm in safe hands Great and clemency Great and clemency Great in what man want, we talked about that Great and what man want, he's so fucking charming Great in that Kevin Bacon show I've definitely never seen a single frame of assuming Oh, I'm not assuming So what's your great man?

And look, let me say, this is a podcast about three things Aldous Hodge, Jay Roach and Tom Shadia It's called Blaine Check with Griffin and David, I'm Griffin And we psyched you, it's not about that, it's about filmographies Although we did just speed around two filmographies That's true, I mean Shadia, I guess we'd podcast Almighty, would that be what we do? Well if we do, because we thought March of 2020 was going to be the vulgar bracket And then it ended up being the... But he could be on a vulgar bracket He could be on a vulgar bracket Yeah, that'd be fun to do And Roach will be on a woke bracket Because Roach actually makes you think He makes you laugh, makes you laugh, makes you laugh, makes you laugh, makes you laugh, makes you laugh Roach makes you think Roach makes you think Can I like napturing this movie and not miss anything? But remember that very woke scene in Bombshell I was keeping his camera on Margarita for fucking 15 minutes?

Yeah, no, I'm aware, it's not a good scene That is a long time That's just one unbroken shot 15 straight minutes It's like going through other scenes that she's not in and you're still hearing that audio And the camera's focused solely on your panties, what a gross movie, I'm glad I won, that's a picture It happily did not win this movie Although it's tragically, it did totally deserve the Oscar, it did win Oh, that guy's a fucking genius! Yeah, it was remarkable Yeah, even though honestly, I will say, I mean the Meghan Kelly job, incredible The Lithgow is Roger Ailes job, that just fell like he was like, oh I have this, you know, he like got the Churchill suit You know what, did my best picture of Parasite? Isn't that insane? You know what's cool about that?

That's cool It's so crazy, it's very cool Can I tell you guys that I just interviewed Bong Joon Ho? I told you Oh shit, on the phone, that's cool That's cool, what did you guys talk about? Kelly Reichhart, because he was basically interviewing her while I watched That's what was happening, did I not tell you I was doing this earlier? What?

This post-abonter was going to point out You were waiting to interview me? I basically interviewed Bong Joon Ho and Kelly Reichhart together about first cow It was an episode of a con-class He loves Kelly Reichhart Okay, but really it was just like me watching them talk and just sort of like doing it That sounds wonderful It was truly wonderful, it took him 25 minutes to figure out how to do Skype Okay, I have so many questions I can talk to you with a press person, you know I know how much he loves Kelly It's visionary, yep, it's so cool, we were just waiting So it was like Sharon in picture, his translator, and Kelly Great Sharon, really? Great Sharon, really? Great Sharon, really?

And Sharon's just getting texts from him being like, ah he's trying something else It was just like a Skype thing, and then suddenly he pops into frame Wearing a big red sweater and just a wall of DVDs behind him And he was like, I mean my house! He's maybe the currently greatest living human He's very cool, quite lovely He's actually a lot of what I mean He does have a bit of a Paddington interview Chaotic Paddington David, did you ask him the burning question? Here's the thing, he loved, he specifically and his first question shouted out night moves And did you ask him what his favorite performance in the final scene of Night moves Because they were already talking about aspect ratios or whatever, so they were off the races But he specifically said old joy and night moves Because apparently he rushed her on the can stage There's just something I love about night moves, I can't put my finger on Or we're talking about the secret song? It's named after the Bob Seeger song, it's a movie that Griffin was in Oh Directed by Kelly Rite Watch by Bong Joon-ho That's awesome I have been enjoyed by Bong Joon-ho I can't say enjoyed, but certainly watch by him It's a bling check, I gave the introduction, but here's the thing This is a mini series clearly As if you couldn't already tell on the films of George Miller It's called Mad Pod for your Ecast We love it Wow And this is the third film in the Mad Max trilogy Record Scratch Quad Religy It's also the third film in his career Yes, it's pretty crazy that he just came out of the gate and was just like one, two, three moving on And then surprisingly came back to Mad Max When I felt like that was never gonna happen Thirty years later Yeah, pretty nuts But this one today is called Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Let's get past the Thunderdome I would happily stay in the Thunderdome for the whole movie Me too I'm gonna read Roger Ebert's quote on the Thunderdome in a moment Cause I love it But joining us from Andy Wire From Indiana Jones And the King of the Crystal Skull From Howles Moving Castle From L'Oevilage Are there any words you can drag him?

There you go That's a... The Doctor Strange episode? Which Patreon is it? No Guardians 2, but two But I'm counting, I guess there's one And two, three, this would be the fifth time Ohhhhhh They all look like That is A pathway Well, so I'll just say That I dug up the jeans It's true, I didn't mind This is posting in mid April Right, so the news is out So it's already been revealed at our live event You dug them up, you have revealed them for the first time on stage At our live shows at Bell House But that actually hasn't happened yet to us We don't know what the results are But they're fresh out of the ground We know what the results are Did you know what the picture is?

I know I did, can we talk about the immediate result? You buried three pairs of jeans How many pairs of jeans came up? Two, yeah There's a two point two for the first swallow The other pair of jeans One is more of just a... Complete disintegrated It's just sort of a shape of fabric shapes Lots of the creative process It's like, it would be like The really, really short shorts And then just the middle part of the pants Just kind of hanging down like a tail Right, it would be sort of a string gene keeney It would fit into the vibe of this movie Sure, costume-wise Sure, not a little thunder-dumby Yeah, but the...

that pair died So the other two could live Yeah, but it worked Sure, guys It really worked No, I'm very proud To stress the jeans naturally Three jeans enter the ground Two came out Two jeans leave I would love nothing more Than if Mad Max Furios I would assume inevitable fifth film in the show Fifth film in the show that Quintillogy, that George Miller had a scene Where the people in the wasteland dig into the dunes And bring up a pair of distressed jeans That have been buried there since before the nuclear apocalypse And look better than ever Yeah, what about if it's like a worm tribe? Someone in the opening credits of this film Is credited as visual consultants, I think And God, if the fifth Mad Max movie happens How do we get Ben and Matt job? I want it, so bad Like salt, jeans, or my next thing Like this is my wheelhouse Well, it's like Namibia, like with Fury Road He has to hope that it doesn't rain in Jersey For the next three years And then he can film there Yeah, so you've been Actually, speaking of Dr. Dealgood, or you're Blackfinger, or you're Screw loose I'm just like a name from ThunderDome, right?

I was just going to say, it's kind of weird that this movie Filled Me and My Friends That's hanging out I know that from the only one of your friends as kids And then it also filmed you as your friends as adults And then it sort of flipped the order It's weird, it's like, it's no other than with Ben Hossley essentially People think of this film as being a third Mad Max film Right? It's the second Mad Max sequel When in reality, the way it should be viewed as George Miller's Gus Van Sant Psycho-esque Doing a shot for shot remake of Ben Hossley's home video It's shot for shot, it's shot for shot It's shot for shot, yup, yup, that was me at Summer Camp Or I'm trying to see what summer camp Your summer camp was in a crash, 747 I'm in the desert Waiting for the captain to show up The Jersey Governor has up his suitcase, shoots down airplanes He's like, there's a summer camp over there, if you can find it What if it's only with a captain, what if it's waiting for Sully? Oh man, that's a good point, right? Because their god is a captain in ThunderDome It's a quick question, before we can move on with this episode How many souls were on board?

Oh, 155, he did eyeball it too I do feel just based on the evidence we've seen They're not going to make you go They're not going to make you go I think that some souls did not come out of that play in that day Some souls were lost along the way You think souls were lost? I think you think that even though their human bodies endured, their souls were lost by an I'm just here trying to push boundaries Let me tell you about what you missed, okay? David? Yes, you look like a man who doesn't know that Fast-Grown Trees is America's largest and most trusted Online, nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers I had no idea!

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And just being like, yeah, I don't really like being on a show I wish they would fire me Yeah, it's the last king of Staten Island. He is. He's the last. Yeah, he is basically begging to be fired But also, we know he's just the only employee of him just because they're worried about him.

It's a weird dynamic in general But also then what they have him on to do is essentially make fun of his... True, to make fun of himself or be like the third guy in a sketch who's like, hey, how you doing? It's the last king of Scotland, I think he's just the king of Staten Island. He's just the king of Staten Island.

And of course, yes, he's the king of Staten Island. When Judd Apatow aspires to Valhalla, whatever better version we have of describing when the director shoots for Oscar Vate He can be the last king of Staten Island. But isn't funny people him shooting for Valhalla, but it's interesting because he doesn't succeed. Like the whole valley of that movie.

Mrs. Gausbergs and lands on a masterpiece. Exactly. That's my take.

This is why we have to do him as a designer. I know because we... Yes, yes, because funny people is good. One of the great films of this century, I would go so far as to say.

It's close for me. It's like a tweener. I got to watch it. I've also seen it like three times in a few years.

If I ever interviewed Sandler, it would be like, yeah, I'll cut Jim's grave for the Jews, punch, trunk, love, we say I'm Paul Thomas Anderson. No, that's the best performance. Let's talk about funny people for three hours. I think that is Adam Sandler.

Yeah. I think that's an interesting question. I don't think so. He is good.

It's very good. I think he's usually good. That's the thing with Rogan. I think he's incredible in Knock it Up.

I think that's a little underrated. I think that's a little undervalued. I've watched, while taking notes about five times in the last year. Oh, because you had a great time.

As for any reason. It's helpful. Just because I'm really going through a Catherine Heigl phase right now. She changed her hair color.

I saw it on Instagram. She's very good. She's very good. But also that movie is more effective training for having a child than any of the 12 pregnancy or child hood books that I told my wife I read.

Well, Harold Ramis no longer alive to give you in-person advice. Yeah. I mean, this is- He's so good in that movie. This is the one that I feel like anyone would guess that I would say.

But you know what? He's really, really good. Not fucking long. He's a fun judge.

Come on. I mean, you don't like this movie. I love it. It's just an obvious David loves this movie.

It's an obvious David loves this movie. That Rogan's in. He's not even the star. Oh, Steve Jobs.

Yeah. I think he's incredible. I think he's the best performance in that movie. I wonder if he's like a six-way type.

Was it disappointed that he didn't get an Oscar for that? If you thought that was something in the car? I don't think that he is someone who experiences that kind of disappointment. I do think there was certainly a moment where people were probably saying, Hey, if this hits you can be an Oscar.

When it was like, being the director at festivals and it's first weekend, it does really well in limited release and he was on everyone's five-prediction list. And then the next weekend it goes wide and drops off the other. Yeah, they blew that movie's release. That was probably- Oh, yeah.

It's also, you know. They blew that movie's ending. Oh, that movie's ending. They blew it at the beginning, they blew it at the beginning.

They threw it at the beginning. They threw it at the beginning. But I'm gonna sing it. I'm so glad I'm so glad I was fired from Bond, but I do want to say that that of all the in Hollywood and maybe in the world.

I am most not only upset that I'm not close to personal friends with Seth Rogen, but I feel like it's a cosmic injustice of some kind. I see him on screen, he speaks to me so clearly. I feel like of course, I could be his super neurotic, you know, uptight strong, what's the word I'm looking for? I don't even know.

High strong, thank you. A friend that he needs to balance out his shield group of funny improv stoners, and some reason God put us on opposite sides of this country. And opposite sides of the economics, I'm in talent. You should say because this is not a medium, I wanna let the listeners know, you're not wearing it currently, but you very frequently wear your promotion all the night before sweater.

Like deep into the summer. I don't get any luck. I just have to, it's my one emblem of Jewish pride. Do I have a muzzos on my door?

No, I'm not. No, but you wear them as on your heart. It's exactly right. The scene at the end of Longshot, which is of course a masterpiece, when he becomes not only America's first mister, first first mister, but it's first Jewish first mister.

I cried. That's interesting, don't even remember that scene. There is only, I like. Remember when he falls down the stairs, it's pretty funny.

Very funny. I didn't know. Those are boys. Remember that one.

It's a long shot. It's on cable at all times. I don't have 18 hours to devote to that. Oh, it's not long enough.

Definitely long enough. There's only one even that bad. It's fine. Great on the curve, because we get one romantic comedy a year.

There is one joke I go fawed at in that movie. And it's the most griffing joke, which is also at the very end of that movie when he reveals that Todd McFarland painted his portrait. Yeah, that's funny. That's funny.

There's funny jokes. I like both of their energies. I just like, it's barely a movie. So Mad Max Beyond ThunderDome, which I feel like I had seen most of on TV, but had never really sat down intentionally watching from beginning to end.

Fair. Immediately. I need to, I need to, immediately, like, you know, from the first visual. Because one thing that's very well, that I think all the other Mad Max Beyond should do.

Although, no, I'm sorry. Fury Road does this? No, it doesn't. What?

You have to say what it is. Opening credits where you list everyone's names and their character. Fury Road does that in the case. It doesn't close in credits.

And I do love it when it does that. It's the only way that movie could have blown minds even faster than it does. That's true. The cast names in the character names in Fury Road are...

They're even better than this one. They're only tops if it's possible. If it's possible. Yes.

But this, yes. It like, it's starting to be kind of strong. It opens with, you know, like... Right.

There's anti-entity or whatever. There's one that fucking blew my mind. Oh, Angry Anderson as Iron Bar. Rubber Grub as Pig Killer.

Yeah, that would kill the... Start a movie stronger. And the funniest, when you watch a movie, like, oh, Pig Killer sort of a synthetic killer. Did you know that Pig Killer is a pig?

He's a good guy. Yeah. He's a vegan. He's a vegan.

He's a vegan. Like, IRL or in the movie. He's a terrific guy. But once the actual visual start in this movie, it immediately feels like this movie is...

The one Mad Max film filtered through the Amble and Sensibility. Although somebody takes Swirl in. I was watching the credits for this movie. My first thought was, ooh, maybe.

This is actually a masterpiece. Maybe this is a great film and the world has just left on it for 30 years. And now we are going to bring it to justice. This is before their mystical shot in the film.

Just looking at the character names, of course, which are all deserving of a place in a museum somewhere. But man, the last time I was here was for Hellsman and Castle, which I picked. I was like, there's a Miyazaki film. I don't feel strong anywhere.

Yeah, you picked it because you wanted something you weren't going to do. And then I was thinking of myself afterwards. I was like, you know, the next time I go on that show, I want to pick a movie that is near and dear to my heart. And so when Sims was like, you want to do Thunderdome, a movie that I have seen 20 minutes of on cable television when I was pretending to be sick from school when I was 10?

I was like, oh hell, yes, let's ride and die in the Thunderdome. And so that's where my head was at watching this movie. The Amblin energy is strong with this one. But I do, maybe we should just circle back this later.

But for me, I feel like the hottest take I've got on this, the most flattering thing I have to say about this movie is that I don't know if I've ever seen a live action film that has this big studio-gibbly energy. Yeah. It has real cartoon world in it. It's a fair point.

It has the same sort of spare, you know, beyond the setting of it. But the same sort of spare aesthetic of Nozico Valley of the Wind. It has the same approach to sound design, which it borrows from a lot of like Wusha films over the time. It just really has that energy that I think even when it leans into Goonny's territory and becomes super amblinny, it still feels the anarchy of it all and just like the sort of the whole spirit of it feels to me even more in common with the gameplay.

It is also the most more time in like a town, you know, than the other Mad Maxis. So that helps too. It's the film that has the longest stretch with head action sequences, you know, in a way that's kind of unusual for Mad Max film. And tied to that, I think it is the most openly emotional Mad Max film.

It is emotional in a film about emotionally reserved characters, which feels very jibbly adjacent where the filmmaking is emotional and the characters are not openly. So to about like when it was made, the aesthetic of Sax is great. Yeah. Anytime you get like a sexy sax, yeah, it just really just makes it better.

Also very it is the jazzy, the mario's jar score rather than Brian May's weird sort of like like and then pipe clanks to agree. The pipe clanking in the first half is movie. It's so good. Going in, I was like, I know what the take on this movie is this sort of general take, which is like first 45 minutes, pretty fantastic.

The kids kind of suck. The end is pretty cool. Yeah. And then I watched the movie and I was like, I was sort of annoyed that I didn't have like I was like, oh my God, I was looking for some radical interpretation.

That having been said, I mean, it's good. That's a thunder dome. That take is judging it against the three other Mad Maxis, which fucking rib. None of which have undertones though.

Well, that's the thing. And it's like, I'm actually going to change my rating to one song. What movies would be best improved by having a thunder dome? Like even recent history, like a green book with a thunder dome.

That'd be great. It does look more like a wasteland character than a real human being in bombshell. If you put like a man like a ball. He was like, yeah, like I was like, I was reading more interviews and that would be great.

Got big sense. I was shooting some interviews with George Miller and he mentions Rupert Murdoch in all of them because Murdoch and his media empire was doing. And you know, Roger Nails and Rupert Murdoch are, I guess, technically different people. They're kind of a master blaster.

They're a master blaster. They are a master blaster thing. It was a Malcolm McDowell played Murdoch in bombshell because there's some Murdoch is also in the loudest voice, which I watched every episode of reasons I cannot begin to fap. And he's a better character than I feel like a Bob Schill.

Who plays him? You don't remember? It was more. I have to look at that.

See, I think McDowell's really good in bombshell. I think that's one of the better performances. Yeah, he is. He is.

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I knew he was. He is. And he say was my. I am a terrorist.

I know you know I came to my later and be like, oh, I call him back. But sounds like he was pretty good on that phone call. I mean, the support's David's thesis that he's never bad. He's never bad.

He's never bad. It was a guy. It's just a very kind of thing, and mortifying to me. Even when he's literally phoning it in, he never phones it in.

No, he brought it. I was staring at him. Look, Bernie. Oh.

Because there's a crucial scene in the loudest voice, which I watch every episode of Fun Show Time. Is when Ailes has been, you know, slamming Obama on Fox News, right? He's been going hard. And then he's told, like, this isn't cool.

Because he's going to win. Like, Murdoch should have comes down. Like, you can't be that mean. And Ailes is like, I can do what I want.

He's like, he's a whole birthday cake, which is like, shit that he does in that show. That's so insane. And then he's supposed to meet Obama. And then instead, he comes into a room, and Murdoch's like, I'm going to go meet Obama, and you go home.

And that's when the power begins to shift. It's a good scene. And then Russell Crowe eats like former birthday cakes. Anyway, I think so many scenes have been meeting birthday cake in that show.

I'm not joking. It tastes delicious. I don't blame him. Does he fold it?

Tony Lipstein? No, it's just like, it's like Seth McFarland is like, hey, this is what's going on, boss. I'm all like, it's always something's birthday. But I do feel like the rock type, the rock trail type is very much on his mind.

Although, you know, he got a lot of money to make these documentary series from the Murdoch Empire, and was actually a complimentary about how hands off they were. But certainly like, we're talking about future tyrants, which is the way he's saying that. He loves, like, tycoon type characters in that. Like these big, corpulent, or the sort of teen, a Turner type, right?

Like kind of like imperious, like dictator types. He loves them. Imperator, tina. Imperator, tina.

But yeah, that is the Murdoch reputation, like a Simpsons. I'm like, I don't care. I don't wash that shit. Do whatever you want.

I'm rich. I just need to call this. So evil. Doesn't care.

I mean, the couple important things are context in this movie. One, as you sort of alluded to earlier, at this point, Kennedy Miller has become like a pretty big operation. They're doing a lot of stuff in Australia, mostly in TV. But a lot of miniseries, a lot of documentaries.

They're supporting a lot of filmmakers. Philip Noise is going through their systems. And will soon cross over to America. Yeah, there's a very cool, mini-sir, cool sounding miniseries called Bodyline, starring a young Hugo weaving about famous Australian crickets drama from the 30s.

Sounds kind of cool. A lot of the Australian film industry luminaries of the 80s who eventually make their way over to Hollywood are sort of being given real shots through the Kennedy Miller operation. And it's a lot of autonomy, a lot of creative integrity. And then these two guys are by all accounts, real mentions, real supportive want to raise the tide for all in the Australian film industry.

And then the second thing that happens is Byron Kennedy dies, who is very much George Miller's real partner in these first three films. And in building this little cottage industry. And George Miller was always very, very generous and sort of saying, we are 50, 50 partners. The fact that I'm the director and he's the producer, ostensibly was like a coin toss.

We both have as much say in this movie, in this world building, all of this. And so when Byron Kennedy dies, he's at the standstill where he's like, do I cancel the movie? Or do I force myself to make the movie in order to honor this guy? And he decides to go through with it because he feels like it's the best way to pay tribute to Byron Kennedy.

But he also brings on a co-director whose name is... George Ogilvy. George Ogilvy, who was a man who had done a mini-series for Kennedy Miller. Yeah, and he did Bodyline.

The great crickets drama I was just talking about with Hugo Weaving and other people too, probably. But I don't know who they are. No, it was just you. It's like every little Tom Newton style and Anomaliese.

Right. And he does eventually go on to make a couple more Australian movies and some more TV movies and so on and so forth. But he's not... He never quite got beyond Thunderdome, I'd say.

No, no. He did not get beyond Thunderdome. So Director's Enter, one director. Miller says, I asked my friend George Ogilvy who was working on mini-series, could you come and help me?

But I don't remember the experience because I was doing it just to dot dot dot, you know I was great. Right. So he very much talks about this movie as like... I was in a haze.

I felt like I needed to do it to work through my grief. And instead I barely remember what was going on. Imagine if your greeting process involved outfitting Tina Turner and most apocalyptic, like, like, town mayor with a crossbow. It is weird, this movie is fully formed.

It's not like you're watching the movie, like what a mess. But I mean, because Kennedy had been there for all of that ideation, you know, everything had sort of been developed at least on a conceptual stage. But then all that needs to be done was to take it to the finish line. Miller and Candi were people who prepped extensively in great detail that I think he was bringing on Ogilvy to help like deal with a lot of the actual practical day to day stuff that he was too sad to deal with.

Well, what they'll tell you on IMDB trivia, which is where I especially when writing reviews got most of my information that I need, is never failed being in the past. Is that Ogilvy shot all of the dramatic scenes where Miller did all the action. I think that that breakup is probably A inaccurate, but B to clean. I don't think it really works like that.

Right. I think that's also the kind of thing that fans want to say to make sense of the movie because they don't like the match. Is that concerned at all? Like is there any...

I didn't dig to deeper to it. But I don't think there's such... there's so much of George Miller's DNA even in the dramatic scenes that either Ogilvy did an immaculate job for getting that vibe or that's just something that I... Once again, it is...

He's a guy perhaps so extensively that it's not like if someone's following the plans that he laid out, they're gonna remove his DNA from the equation. Something like the two stop motion West Anderson movies where, especially for Fantastic Mr. Fox, by all kinds, he was not there. He was not animating or directing the animators or any of those things.

He was mostly directing that movie over Skype, but he had written it and he had storyboarded extensively and he gave him very clear rules to how his visual language works and how it doesn't, what performances he wants. But I think George Miller was far more hands on than that. When I read interviews with him about this, and he's reluctant to talk about it, I think just because it was so emotionally painful, it doesn't sound like, oh, he wasn't on set for a lot of it and let this other guy carry entire scenes. It sounds like he was on set, but he wasn't totally there mentally.

He just didn't have the emotional bandwidth to do it all. Yes. And needed some support. At this time, it would be trivia page is actually kind of fun.

Such as quote, Tina Turner had to shape her head for the wig to fit properly. She reportedly had no problem with that. I love facts like that. She's just a little story.

They were asked to do this, they said yes. They said. You're talking about Tina Turner who has maybe pound for pound cinema's greatest filmography. Let's run through her.

All right, so she did, she appeared herself in a number of different movies, like, Gimme Shelter, her first movie where she's playing a character is in Tommy. She's the acid queen. The acid queen. Acid queen, number one role on your resume.

Also, it just sounds like a Mad Max character. Like, you know, it's like who are you playing in Thunderdome? The acid queen. Then yes, from there, she doesn't want to go down.

The only way to keep momentum going is of course, to continue playing herself. You know, the character on par with the acid queen. Then the Beatles come in knocking in 1978 and they ask her to play one of the guests at Heartland in Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. The movie where the Bee Gees play the Beatles.

Great. So the Bee Gees and the Beatles together arm and arm shut up at her door. Sure. And asked her to be in this movie.

This goes back to herself for a Chuck Berry thing where she is in concert with Chuck Berry, is then Auntie Entity in Mad Max Thunderdome. Realized as once more. I'm sorry, it actually went beyond Thunderdome. Just FYI.

They went straight through it and far beyond. My apologies. Then I'll spin the wheel of forgiveness. You want to hear all of the outcomes on that wheel?

Not at this very moment. Then she is like, okay. I've put myself. Put a documentary.

I put my stamp on this medium. And then is called back into service one last time for Last Action Hero where she plays the mayor. That's right. Her entire filmography fictional characters are the acid queen.

I'm not going to do that. Yeah, it's really acid queen entity. And the mayor. She's never played character with proper name.

And she's never played a character who didn't have some authority. Oh, master now. It's all right. Over some sort of fictional town, usually a wasteland.

Right. Either elected or through birthright or through violence. Through force. As ascended to the top.

Wow. Bad ass. What was I going to say? Oh, yeah.

So here are the options on the wheel. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

You don't want that one. Hard labor doesn't seem fun. I'm fun to watch. Which is sort of similar to hard labor, but whatever.

Auntie's choice. Would love to see that. It's the cool line. Spin again.

You always have to have that on a wheel or a magic eight. Yeah. Because it just ramps up tension. Forefit goods, which is actually, that seems like pretty mild.

That's the best one to take. That's where we're getting the best. No goods. I mean, he's there to get goods.

Yeah. He's got nothing to forfeit. Underworld. You have to watch the entire Lemwise series.

The Lemwise series. Yeah. Stuff. I take cool art, personally.

Amputation. Life imprisonment. And then a quittle is on there. So there's a clear winner.

There's one that is unwise. There's a quittle. Underworld. I just feel like there should be a good thing that isn't just the removal of the bad thing.

Oh, you're saying like a quittle is enough. There should be one where you make a profit. Yeah. And you should get, yeah, exactly.

And also. Anything of goods you want. I worry about what the prison system is like in the wasteland and also why they're their need for. I mean, everyone is a thieving murderer.

So let's not talk around this. The wasteland could use prison reform. It feels like it could use bottom up prison reform. There's a new deal required in the way.

You know what I mean? I just feel like there's a lot of wealth that could be redistributed here. 1000%. I do like that.

Pig fart energy system. That's pretty good. Yeah. Like that, they seem to have sorted out.

Methane gas. And I would say, you know, Master Blaster, they're getting a lot done. Totally. MVP, right?

That's the most greatest love story. My favorite kind of character. Yeah. And probably the biggest of the Mad Max big guys.

Definitely the best of the Mad Max big guys. But when you got a big Braun and then you got a little smart. This is your number one favorite. Together, they're a package deal.

It's always great. Right. Like Alougashio? Yep.

Okay. Original character, am I from years ago? When we were still just doing Star Wars? Yeah.

I said that I wanted to have a character named Algasio, who's giant. And then he had a little head growing out of his shoulder that whispered in his ear. It was a smart one. And Algasio is still canon within Blanchack Legends.

Yes. Yes. Let's just make it clear. Yeah.

Coming to Hulu. It's a cool. Is he a playable character on the Blanchack mobile game? Yes.

Good. That would be so cool. Talk about a way of fleecing people from their money. I would give you like $40 a day just buying packs of Algasio Algasio energy for the raid.

I was surprised. You're currently playing a Star Wars mobile game. Oh, no, it's got more. Oh, is it a Marvel mobile game?

It's both. You got into the Marvel one? I supplemented my Star Wars galaxy if yours is fiction with Marvel Strike Wars. I'm such an easy mark for this.

As like, they tried that one of them. Gambling addicts who doesn't have access to gambling. This is really the next best thing. That's why I play Disney most people.

You're still on that one? Is that your board? Yeah, I'm still on that one. I'm playing a game called Piffle.

Very into Piffle. I tried the Disney Battler, like the RPG Battler. Oh, yeah. And it sucks.

And the DC one is also very bad. But the Disney one, it's really meant for young children who have their parents credit cards. And you can't control the characters during battle. And so it's just like, oh, fuck.

And watching Olaf throw his own body at people is not. I tried it. And it wasn't even fun playing as Ralph. Like, you're not getting joy out of wrecking people.

He's like one of the default characters they give you when you start. Yeah, he started to earn Ralph. Well, yes. But it also tells you how bad the game is if Ralph is only set as a default.

Like, he's not more powerful than fucking Sebastian. Anyway, those things are a menace. But Master Blaster. Yeah.

Well, here's the thing I want to say. I agree that we all came to this movie going, like, oh, man, I'd love to come in here with a take on why this film is the secret masterpiece. Yeah. It is not bad in any way.

It also, in pretty much any other franchise, would probably be the best movie. The Mad Max bar is so high. And the phones are so inventive that this film pales in comparison because it's a little more rote. But if any other franchise had a movie that was this bug, that'd be like, oh, that's the interesting one.

And also the action in this movie is like next level. Fantastic. It's all, I don't know. Are you going to just the action?

I'm not going to disc this again. I'm just throwing more consonants in the end of this word. It doesn't need the man on man fight scene action in this movie, which I think if anything, I mean, you'll see about how George and I will talk a lot about Ari from Buster Keaton. But for me, again, to go back to sort of the Kung Fu movies that were being made of time is real blue shot energy.

Again, for me, it's the sound. It's also the way they use the acrobatics, the way they use in the Thunder Dome where you can't just, I think a common misconception about Thunder Domes everywhere is, of course, that people are just not suspended on wires and are just free to run at each other. But no, Thunder Dome is not just a geodesic dome, which has hordes of streets of rage style, extra as on the side cheering, throwing you full turkeys to consume to regain health. And then we'd make a good streets of rage movie.

I think it was, oh, sure. I loved that game. Oh my god, there's no jeezers there. They've got to be.

And the shirts. You need the harnesses. You've got to utilize the whole space. Oh, absolutely.

It's like multi-dimensional fighting. Like he's adding different accents. Right. I mean, I think Eber's review, he literally was like, I've never seen an action.

He gave it four to four stars and placed it as one of his 10 best films in 1985. And his line is, the Thunder Dome itself is the first really original movie idea about how to stage a fight since we got the first karate movies. Would you say that the Thunder Dome is almost like a character in this movie? Definitely.

It's like the fifth character. Yeah, I think it's in the title. I think Max. The Kuberix gave it a best supporting actor.

I'll tell you what I mean. I'll tell you what I mean. I'll tell you what I mean. Thunder Dome.

What about Shepard Dia, though? Shepard Dia. Who did Dia? Who did Dia?

Who did Dia? Played by Roostfence, who was the Jaracaptor pilot. And now is the airplane pilot. I know.

They were like, apparently literally just trying to cast the role. And they were like, why don't we just hire him again? The same guy. And he's like, and I'm playing the same character.

And they're like, no. But like, yeah. But it's like, it's like a toe cutter. No, I know.

I know. I love that he just reused a certain people. It's like, you have the right energy for this. You work well in this kind of vehicle.

It's hard to make movies out in the middle of the desert. If there's someone you can get along with, it's going to do the job. Why not bring them back? But I do want to say that the vehicular carnage at the end of this movie is hard now in retrospect for it not to feel like it's a dry run for what he was going to do later.

Yes. Which I guess you could say about really all the car chases in this trilogy here. But this one in particular feels like, other than the train, which maybe they can bring back in some way. Trainers.

And there's no flying in theory road. Of course you would say that, David. You love trains. Love trains.

But there is no flying in theory road right now. No. The most you've got is sort of acrobatics. Doesn't the train feel very Indiana Jonesy to you guys?

Yes. All of this feels Spielberg-y. Right. Not in a mad way.

No, no, no. We like to be in a mad way. Also any train in any context feels Indiana Jonesy to me. Or if I'll be on the Metro North, then I'm like, Indiana Jonesy, but it needs more.

Sure. And obviously, very buschicking generally. It's generally, generally. But it has this Spielberg thing of, rather than the usual Mad Max thing of just things, intensifying building, building, heightening.

It's like we're on one track. You're trying to problem solve this thing. It's that Indiana Jones, like every action scene is kind of a puzzle that he has to solve, how to not die, rather than it just being like, survive all. Just like I'll wait.

I'll last I'll play. Right. Yeah. Well, the Indiana Jones movies are directed by a man named Steven Spielberg.

And one of the things that's interesting about him is that he understands that an action sequence can actually be a narrative unto itself. Sure. And further the story. It doesn't just have to be fucking shit thrown at your face to numb you into submission.

Right. And that is something that not all filmmakers have to understand. No, Road Warrior also feels a little bit like a dry run for Fury Road, but Road Warrior is so committed to just the fucking car chases. Like, Fury Road is like 90%, just high octane, high speed.

And I wonder if like the brokenness of the story and sort of it's lump in shape and quality where the two halves of it feel so different from one another was part of what made him want to do something so streamlined for the next one. I think so. Yeah. I mean, right, because for a very long time he said I wasn't going to come back to it.

And then for Road, he claims came to him in a fever dream on an airplane. And it was just like, I want to make a way that's just that. You know what I think it was? I think it's that he said an interview on Ann Billson's blog, which is where this very long interview that she did and her timeout magazine.

And then it was, the interview she wrote for timeout was canceled because as soon as it was about to publish Orson Welles died of a heart attack, and they just scuttled all that footage. For Orson Welles, it's like the three debates. It's in came dead. Timeout also here's where you should drink tonight in London.

But the thing that I read in that interview is he was like, they were asking about the music. And he's like, you know, I just couldn't figure out a way to get rock music in Mad Max. And I don't think I ever will. I stopped the jazz.

And then jazz is one thing. Jazz is no problem. But rock impossible. And then one day he was like a man strapped to the front of a truck with guitar on fire.

And he is the most thunder-dummy character because he's got sort of a bungee cord. He's got one of the two four-year. But there is, right. There's that thing of this movie felt like, A, they were on a roll.

Why not continue it? B, Road Warrior had been such a breakout success in the US in a way that the first one wasn't. So there was like Warner Brothers more actively, I think supporting and asking for another Mad Max film. And Mel Gibson's star was growing independently.

After this, he does lethal weapon and then explodes. And then, you know, just gets bigger and bigger until he completely crashes inside of the wall. But right, but in between Mad Max two and this, he had made the year of living dangerously, which is sort of, no, go to the police pre-Mad Max two. Oh, gotcha.

But I feel like you're living dangerously. It's like this is a fucking Hollywood bulletproof, so handsome leading man. Like that performance might be as best performance. He's so phenomenally handsome in that movie.

I know that Mel Gibson has an ugly soul and is not the greatest person in the world. Wait, did Mel go to the cancer? He has been canceled thrice over. And so we have to separate the hot from the hotness.

But I do feel like the living dangerously is kind of that movie where Hollywood is like, oh, maybe we should give this guy a call. Well, and you can even tell that he's excellent in the first and second films. But in this one, he shows up and just has the energy of, I have completely figured out how to be a movie star. He has a little more to do.

Well, I don't even, that's not even a good or bad thing. But I've enforced behind this movie, sort of hinges on Hollywood arc, right? Sure. But it sort of hinges on the perception of his morality, on the idea of Mel Gibson emanating sort of intrinsic goodness.

Like that is at the root of this moving away that it wasn't in the previous films. Because this is a story, George Knowles described it as a coming out story of his own, like the characters own innate sense of empathy for other human beings. That he once upon a time was a DC member being who had a family we loved, we meet in the first movie. And then after things went to shit, even further than they already had, convinced himself that survivalism was the only way to get by, just a ruthlessness, look out for himself and no one else.