EPISODE · Jun 10, 2026 · 24 MIN
Marketing Isn't a Gumball Machine | Building Revenue Systems
from Fixers & Founders · host Forrest Derr and Tony Lilja
In this episode of Fixers & Founders, Tony and Forrest are joined by Patrick Elliott, founder of Four Cross GTM, fractional CMO, and go-to-market strategist with more than two decades of experience spanning SaaS, healthcare, investing, technology, and business development.Patrick shares lessons from launching billion-dollar brands, leading revenue teams, and helping growth-minded companies align marketing, sales, customer service, and operations around a single goal: sustainable revenue growth.We pull back the curtain on why traditional lead generation thinking is breaking down, how customer service can become a revenue driver, and what founders need to understand about buyer behavior in an AI-powered world.In this conversation, we explore:Marketing Isn't a Gumball Machine: Why lead generation alone is no longer enough.The Four Cross Framework: Aligning marketing, sales, customer service, and operations around revenue.The Value Economy: How AI and modern buyer behavior are changing go-to-market strategy.Differentiated Point of View: Why businesses must clearly communicate what makes them worth choosing.If your growth feels stalled, your marketing feels disconnected from revenue, or your team is struggling to align around a common objective, this conversation is for you.Connect with Patrick Elliott:LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfelliottWebsite: https://www.fourcrossgtm.comIntro & Outro Music: “Which One Is the Jellyfish?” by Aunt Cynthia’s CabinUsed with permission under a non-exclusive license.Bandcamp: https://auntcynthiascabin.bandcamp.comSpotify: http://open.spotify.com/artist/5XoG0H2D0vY58n32W8xI2KFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/auntcynthiascabinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/auntcynthiascabin
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In this episode of Fixers & Founders, Tony and Forrest are joined by Patrick Elliott, founder of Four Cross GTM, fractional CMO, and go-to-market strategist with more than two decades of experience spanning SaaS, healthcare, investing, technology, and business development.Patrick shares lessons from launching billion-dollar brands, leading revenue teams, and helping growth-minded companies align marketing, sales, customer service, and operations around a single goal: sustainable revenue growth.We pull back the curtain on why traditional lead generation thinking is breaking down, how customer service can become a revenue driver, and what founders need to understand about buyer behavior in an AI-powered world.In this conversation, we explore:Marketing Isn't a Gumball Machine: Why lead generation alone is no longer enough.The Four Cross Framework: Aligning marketing, sales, customer service, and operations around revenue.The Value Economy: How AI and modern buyer behavior are changing go-to-market strategy.Differentiated Point of View: Why businesses must clearly communicate what makes them worth choosing.If your growth feels stalled, your marketing feels disconnected from revenue, or your team is struggling to align around a common objective, this conversation is for you.Connect with Patrick Elliott:LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfelliottWebsite: https://www.fourcrossgtm.comIntro & Outro Music: “Which One Is the Jellyfish?” by Aunt Cynthia’s CabinUsed with permission under a non-exclusive license.Bandcamp: https://auntcynthiascabin.bandcamp.comSpotify: http://open.spotify.com/artist/5XoG0H2D0vY58n32W8xI2KFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/auntcynthiascabinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/auntcynthiascabin
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