Measuring what actually matters in Edtech

Dr. Asyia Kazmi, OBE spent 12 years teaching mathematics in some of London's toughest schools, and she loved every minute of it. She went on to advise the UK government, work at PwC, lead Global Education Policy at the Gates Foundation, and is now CEO of WISE (World Innovation Summit for Education, https://www.wise-qatar.org/), a Qatar Foundation initiative that convenes the world's leading minds to solve education's hardest problems.In this conversation with Svenia Busson, recorded live in Paris, Asyia shares what the classroom taught her that no policy document ever could and how that foundation shapes every investment decision, every programme she designs, and her vision for the school of the future. We explore: — What it really means to measure learning, and why waiting 2–3 years for impact evaluations is simply unacceptable — How she built an AI and EdTech portfolio at the Gates Foundation that significantly improved the learning of 2.5 million children across India and Sub-Saharan Africa, working with partners like Central Square Foundation, Fab Inc, and EIDU.— What she looks for when evaluating an EdTech product (from pedagogical rigour to data protection for children)— Why teachers are irreplaceable (and how AI might free them to do what only humans can do) — Why motivation may become the new inequity divider in an AI-powered world — Her instinctive vision of a future-proof school, built for the most underserved communities — The WISE Prize — a $1M+ prize open to established education organisations ready to test bold new ideas. Applications close 27 June 2026 (go check it out here: https://www.wise-qatar.org/innovation/wise-prize-for-education) Organisations & people Asyia recommends exploring: The Citizens Foundation, Pakistan — CEO: Zia Akhter Abbas (2,500+ schools for underserved communities) Pratham Education Foundation— Rukmini Banerji Madhi Foundation — Merlia ShaukatLanguage and Learning Foundation — Dr. Dhir Jhingran Human Capital Africa — Dr. Oby Ezekwesili, former Minister of Education of Nigeria and co-founder of Transparency International EEDI (for maths) https://www.eedischool.com/usEIDU (foundational literacy and numeracy in Africa) https://www.eidu.com/