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If it's Thursday, it's a tale of two political realities as more Republican-led states move to rollback access to abortion even as more Republicans are defeated at the ballot box perhaps due to it. Plus, President Biden and G7 allies look to ramp up pressure on Putin as Ukraine's military ready is a major counter-offensive after another night of rushing missile attacks. And social media companies in the spotlight the Supreme Court sides with Twitter and Google in a major case of whether their platforms were liable for their users malicious content as Montana becomes the first date to totally ban the popular Chinese owned app. Good Thursday.
Welcome to Meet the Press Now. I'm Chuck Todd reporting from Washington and we begin today. It's three more Republican-led state houses have made moves towards restricting access to abortion this weekend. Republican legislatures in the South and the Midwest show no sign of easing their push for these abortion bans despite public disapproval.
Last night's South Carolina state legislature voted to approve restrictions that if signed in the law would become some of the most stringent in the country, this would ban abortion after just six weeks of pregnancy. It's important to note that a similar bill was actually struck down by the South Carolina Supreme Court in January after that state court ruled it did not give a woman ample time to even realize she was pregnant. The bill now moves to the Republican controlled state Senate. All of this comes after Republicans earlier this week in North Carolina's state house leveraged their super majority to override a Democratic Governor Roy Cooper veto of a 12-week ban and it now has become law or will be by July 1.
If both bans do go into effect, a woman in the South Florida Caribbean will have to travel as far as essentially Richmond or Washington D.C. to access an abortion after 12 weeks or I guess Chicago or New York City. Meanwhile lawmakers in Nebraska are set to vote on a similar 12-week measure this week after the state's single legislative body failed to pass a six-week ban last month. Public opinion polling in all three states suggests that those new laws will not be very popular and it all comes as the federal appeals court comprised of three Republican appointed judges has signaled that will side of the law court to block access to a commonly used abortion pill setting the case up to head back to the Supreme Court who could issue a ruling in the summer of 2024.
Is that an important year? Folks Republicans are renewing their efforts to restrict abortion despite a growing mountain of election results suggesting backlash from voters since the doves decision with Rover Turning Road Republicans continue to underperform this week they lost mayoral races in cities that they don't usually lose it. Jacksonville, Florida, Colorado Springs, Colorado earlier this month they lost control of the Wisconsin State Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years. In February Democrats won a competitive special election in Virginia outperforming their 2020 margin by double digits Republicans underperformed across the board in the November midterms.
Last August voters in Kansas overwhelmingly turned out to reject an effort to use a constitutional amendment that would have been used to roll back abortion rights. According to a new analysis from the Democratic leading data firm Catalyst the backlash over abortion is partly responsible for what appears to be a huge boost in Gen Z voting in these heavily contested elections. As you can see here turn out for Gen Z for the youngest voting block right now and millennials as well was up in 2022 while turnout for other generational groups remaining stagnant or went down. Huh millennials Gen Z the ones that are are of age uh and might actually want or need to access reproductive care.
The firm also saw a spike in the share of women registering to vote in the wake of the adopt decision. These numbers continue to send a pretty clear message that the abortion issue has not been good politics for Republicans and yet the party continues to push the issue which makes the question is this the first instance where the unintended consequence of our siloed information ecosystem has created feedback loops that maybe people don't realize what to act with the public actually thanks. Do you want me to break all this down? I have our panel here.
We see this Washington correspondent, Yamiche Alcindor. She spends a lot of time covering uh the issue of reproductive rights. Washington correspondent for the Atlanta Journal of Constitution and Tiannishol. Washington Post columnist and NBC political analyst Eugene Robinson and Republican strategist Doug High.
Yamiche let's just start with what we have learned in the last 72 hours South Carolina. First let's start with South Carolina. Um we know it's very court rule yet they're still going with the statistics we made. Is this is it going to just go through the Senate states that are pretty easily or you know it's the fact that people like Nancy Mase who's a member of Congress from South Carolina she's having something for us.
Well if North Carolina is sort of a bellwether for what South Carolina is going to do it seems like this is going to fly through the South Carolina General Assembly and be able to become a law and then it's going to maybe run into the courts or maybe again they will run into some issues but you laid it out the Republican party is all in on this they're restricting abortion rights they're maybe in a feedback loop maybe they're just also beholden to the to the groups that have been working for generations um and giving them their votes evangelical Christians in particular white evangelical Christians in particular um so the South Carolina legislature looks like they're going to push this through. You know Doug you're on the Republican side of things been a strategist I have what Yamiche brought up the infrastructure of the GOP for the last 30 years the importance of the pro-life community to finding volunteers to getting door knockers can't be underestimated. No absolutely but what we've seen is we're in a brave new world here politically on this. We've moved from where abortion was an issue in theory the courts were the main issue to now it's in practice and what we're seeing is this like in registration is obviously we're seeing more and more movements and you know when you talk about you know the information loop I think that only gets amplified when we see um super majorities in states and in North Carolina you know that by one seat they have a super majority uh with the Democrat flipping just recently this is why this happened when you're in a super majority you don't really negotiate with yourself and they think they've very smartly set the model at 12 weeks we'll see if that's smarter not.
Yeah Tia what I've just been odd here is that you know normally you sort of the law of physics here you know you've found against oh that doesn't work the voters keep sending a message it hasn't been received yet. Well I think Republicans are still as Yamiche mentioned they're thinking about their base and their base those white evangelical Christian voters they are speaking to them with these abortion bans now what the trouble has been with the Republican party is they haven't found a way to make that work in a general election when they have to speak to a broader electorate and you mentioned for example the Jacksonville mayor's race I used to work in Jacksonville and very familiar with the candidates there and quite frankly that's what happened there the Republican candidate never pivoted away from the culture wars never pivoted away to a message that would resonate broader and that cost him on election day and I think we're going to continue to see that from Republican candidates if they don't find a message that speaks to people who aren't moved by the culture wars. Gene I'm just sort of and you know you and I have been around a while and so I guess you're probably also surprised that there's we hear from Republicans professionally people like Doug and others like hey this is not good politics yeah right you know but you don't hear from ones that are going to be on the ballot saying that no you really don't and again they're all afraid of being outlined on the right and so they feel they have to go all the way on these issues like abortion and increasingly like guns that are you know how do you revitalize the Democratic Party in states where it had been left for dead the answer is this is how you do it this is how you do it at a grassroots level and you start seeing that show up in these municipal you know state level elections and I think you're just going to see more and more of it they're going too far. I want to play something Nikki Haley said because she's both trying to be realistic but at the same time not get an answer on where she wants to go so take a listen.
I think we have to tell the American people the truth in order to do a national standard you'd have to have a majority of the House 60 Senate votes and a president we haven't had 60 pro-life senators in a hundred years so the idea that a Republican president could ban all abortions is not being honest with the American people any more than a Democrat president could ban these pro-life laws in the state so let's be honest with the American people and say let's find national consensus. I guess the question I have Yamiche is what's the definition of a national consensus what if I told you 65 percent of the country agreed that Roe v Wade was a national consensus. Well when she's talking about a national consensus we have one which is that in poll after poll including in places like North Carolina which just passed a new 12-week abortion ban voters are saying they do not want more restrictions on abortion so there is national consensus here it's just not in favor of Republicans that being said it's interesting to hear Nikki Haley who I will say has a lot of different conflicting views she wants to talk about sort of being a child of immigrants without without talking about other sort of consequences of slavery and race in general so there are a lot of I think messages that conflict when you look at Nikki Haley but with this one she's basically saying if I could do that if I could do a national ban abortion I would but I can't do that let's try to find a middle ground I don't know how that message is going to resonate with people I don't understand what voters are going to do when they when they sort of really look at that so it's confusing to me. This feels like the trap for Republicans here Tia which is I think she's right I think the country does want a national consensus but I don't think Republicans are going to like what the national consensus is.
Right I think Republicans again they're only speaking to a very narrow percentage of Americans and that's not going to work and even Republican voters will say that many abortion abortion bans go too far but people like Nikki Haley when they talk about I would love to do a national ban they're talking to a very specific Republican voter that doesn't want to hear anything other than no abortion we don't want to even under the the circumstances that many people would say well at least these exceptions rate incest children being impregnated young young girls so that's the problem that Republicans find is that they know that they're not seeking the middle ground on here but they're not really pivoting away from it. Doug Hyde Rhonda Santas clearly has decided I'm going to go to the right of Trump wherever I came and abortion is a place that he can go to the right of Trump it makes sense for Iowa Ted Cruz when I was you know and largely on because he was viewed as the more traditional evangelical Christian conservative it didn't get him and you know well it's interesting Rhonda Santas is a cultural warrior when he wants to be but sometimes doesn't want to be and so he signed the bill but he didn't really say a whole lot about it and he never really waited much in the issue where he's gone after Disney obviously there's issues with books in Florida and all this he's avoiding this issue as best he can but he's not now he wants to use it with Trump well it's a wedge but you can't out Trump on a lot of things yeah Trump is saying I'm responsible for all of them 10 weeks 20 weeks how is it really an answer? That's where the politics remain? Trump is the OG you can't you're not going to out Trump you're not going to be a better Trump than Trump you know better in place.
I go back Bob the line from 1980 I ran because I thought voters wanted a younger Reagan it just turned out they would have raked it exactly exactly and so you know to say this meanwhile in his in his Disney fight today Disney like pulled out of a billion dollar of investment in that they were going to make in the Disney world yeah very interesting timing right before they enough it I mean I don't think that's an accident this is not Bob Iger's first rodeo either. Is Disney now a Trump super PAC? It's incredible it's I was reading that story and the median income the median salary was going to be a hundred and twenty thousand dollars I'm from Florida that is not normal to have a hundred twenty dollars. It's a good job it's not a good job in order to know so the idea that Ron is just to pick this fight and that Disney said well we're going to bring back Bob we're going to have him deal with his fight it to me it just shows that even with young especially with young conservatives who again go back to his idea of the Republican Party is not a party that wants to influence how private businesses are doing business I don't see how that's going to work for him but is it I don't know is the conservative movement being remade duck one thing and we've seen this in the house government shutdown fights in 2013 especially it's not about winning the fight it's the eagerness to fight you can throw as many punches that are more than winning absolutely you don't have to land the punch or win the round as long as you say the word fight is all in as possible and I also think to your point some of it is just selling the fight you know on conservative media I do it yeah look what I'm doing look how I'm willing to go up against Disney in their woke culture and so in a lot of ways perhaps those people who are watching that messaging from very tailored conservative outlets they're not going to believe that they're losing the fight against Disney they think that DeSantis is showing Disney who's boss and even if he doesn't it's that he's willing to fight and the thing I hear from Republican voters back home in North Carolina is I just want somebody who's going to stand up and fight well in Florida I saw one report from the villages the huge retirement community where there were people saying you know ron ron ron go ahead DeSantis you know give it to Disney but not everybody lives in the villages not everybody is over 65 not everybody is that voter now and then Ron Stennis you know might get a lot of those voters but I just don't know what's been interesting is the way he's dealt with this announcement Yamiche first of all I think we're in our fifth announcement that he's going to announce right like he's it looks like this is the first time this stuff is done you know but it's the it's he's constantly I feel like sending message to donors like they're constantly worried because donors are not how many times have we gotten stories owners don't like the Disney stuff donors don't like boy he's much more conservative than we thought it was it seems like he's still testing the waters and testing the waters but the waters aren't really getting warmer they're just sort of warm and we're not checking for that we know what they say the waters cold if you just jump in eventually to warm up right hopefully for him he's hoping it's not a strategy no it is it do you Brian should we start asking about Brian Kim well I think I think Brian Kim is one of those people who it's not necessarily that he's aspiring but if there are enough people in his ear saying there's a lane for you I think he'll take it but it's after DeSantis falters right he's sort of a back it's almost like he's he and Glenn Yunkiner in the bullpen absolutely I think he and also I think he's also thinking you know I might let them do get out you know in trunks last day and so to speak but perhaps in 2028 then there may be a lane for a governor Kim well there's another governor that is jumping in this race and I bet you it's gonna be news to some of you the governor of North Dakota Doug Bergam and the last time he made some national news was during covid when he was not one of those that said that he didn't have mandates but he only had to hold back tears because he didn't like the polarization around it you know just you know this he was trying to be sort of this he's very conservative person but a moderating personality you know I guess come on in the waters lukewarm I mean you know I this is always there's always one of those oh I didn't know he would run you know kind of like when paul's song gets ran right well when you start with an idea of zero there's only one direction you can go it's a question is how high up can you go well he rocket to four points in a month or so that's all you have to look at but he is you know it I guess the more people you put in this race the more pilots it yeah better it is for Trump I think you know we'll see I mean but a whole bunch of people against Donald Trump we've seen that movie we know how it came out we'll see well we know the twists and turns are gonna come there's still a lot of prosecutors that have something to say yeah you know and Bob Iger may be his friend today but Bob Iger is probably not so good he's friend of mine either you mister Eugene and Doug thank you all come up has Keves widely anticipated counter-offensive already actually begun we have the latest from the front lines and some new details on President Biden's plans you roll out another round of Russian sanctions while meeting with America's G7 allies all of that is next but first for today's me the president gonna take a look back at the history of the abortion rights movement in 1972 just a few months before Roe v.
Wade was decided legendary feminist activist Gloria sign join me to talk about women's rights and access to abortion take a listen this issue of abortion reproductive freedom seems to be one of the burning issues among women in your group what specifically is it you want you want to wipe out all the bans and state imposed prohibitions on abortion yes the position of the caucus is one against government intervention in the reproductive freedom of the individual citizen that affects men as well as women it means birth control as well as abortion it also means the enforced sterilization laws which exist in many states in this country and which affect criminals and any individual considered socially undesirable very often affects poor minority people welfare clients and the like and it's it's clear from the opinions in other industrialized countries and also from the opinions here that that is not the that the wish of the average citizen male and female is not to have government intervention in that most private area of personal freedom welcome back leaders around the world we're gathering to discuss the current crisis and future trajectory of the war in Ukraine as it appears to be nearing a critical moment g7 leaders are gathering in he or she might Japan a city that has its own history with the tragedies of war where Ukraine is expected to be a key priority earlier today ahead of the summit president Biden met with Japan's prime minister with the two leaders reaffirmed their commitment to support Ukraine according to a senior administration official the u.s. in coordination with our g7 partners is expected to announce a new round of sanctions on Russia as the west looks to ramp up economic pressure on Moscow Japan's prime minister also confirmed a reporter today that president Zelensky will virtually participate in the g7 summit spied in short and trip to the region China is also expected to be a major focus for the g7 leaders as Beijing looks to expand its influence around the globe and as China's special ongoing wraps up his meetings in key meanwhile in the war itself in the borders of Ukraine key was once again targeted by another round of Russian missile attacks local officials called it unprecedented in power and intensity and it comes as Ukrainian troops prepare counter offensive to recapture occupied territory but the missile defense systems of the u.s. has been providing have been working joining me now i've got molly hunter and key christian walkers and hero shima japan covering the president g7 meetings let me start with molly and the situation on the ground there it's molly let me start with this we keep saying the counter offensive is about to begin and then i read well it may already have begun well it kind of already started how would you describe it yeah well check if you ask the Ukrainian official as i've been doing all week when is the counter offensive going to begin are these advances that we are seeing in back mood part of this counter offensive the reply that i have resoundingly got is we're not going to tell you necessarily when the counter offensive is going to begin president Zelensky was also asked this when he was in europe last week he was asked this very pointedly when he was sitting next to uk prime minister rishi soon act when is the counter offensive going to be are you ready and his response with a little bit of a smile was we are ready what we're seeing in back our advances we are hearing from the Ukrainians that they feel like they have the momentum that they have made the biggest battlefield games in months just in the last couple of days whether that is a sign of things to come but certainly when you look and when you talk to sources who are closer to the east and i am in kev it doesn't seem like there's been a massive movement of hundreds of kind of armored vehicles like we might have expected and what what can you tell us about the visit by the chinese envoy oh we expected it we didn't know exactly what was going to happen we certainly didn't get invited to any kind of press conference there was no readout no pictures no video until very late at night a big picture from the chinese is that he was on some sort of a listening tour certainly they put at the top of the line of their readout that leeway who's a special representative for your age and met with president selensky in the Ukrainians readout they certainly didn't leave with the fact that he met with president selensky they kind of dug down the fact that most of those discussions and the discussions that he had worth the minister level with the foreign minister here but certainly a sign certainly the doors open if you ask me cranium officials and they said that in their readouts it was positive that he was here and even chef you know a couple weeks ago secretary of state tony blinken was asked is this positive could this be positive does try to have a role in a mediation and he said it could be very beneficial no major headlines but certainly a very high profile if quiet visit at a time when president selensky is certainly courting friends courting support military otherwise just by hosting them though i mean isn't that in some ways ukraine is at least singling they're willing to talk if there's something to talk about yeah not just willing to talk and they certainly i'm just looking down at the statement that we got from the president's office the readout about that i think china for its support of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine very quickly after that though they said there would be no discussions with china or otherwise of course about giving up territory about ceasing fire they have a whole set of conditions and certainly those will not bend depending on whose mediating check all right molly hunter on the ground forest and keep molly uh thanks for your reporting please stay safe let me move over across the globe to christen welker who is in hero chima and christen let me start with uh these new sanctions against russia you know when i think the public hears sanctions against russia they're like okay what's left don't we sanction them all the time um do any of these work what makes these sanctions more special what makes them different well chuck for one you're absolutely right there've already been about 10 rounds of sanctions so far russia is increasingly isolated there's no doubt about that the us has imposed these sanctions in concert with its european uh allies and partners in this region as well in terms of these latest round of sanctions they're talking about really targeting its energy sector its exports so that could take a big bite but of course the counter to that is that puten has not been deterred so far chuck and so the question becomes when will they start to see the sanctions bear out in terms of puten's actions and so far they haven't seen that and so that's where the skepticism comes from but there's no doubt that that is going to be one of the top issues here the g7 thumb and i spoke with nse spoke first and john kirby about this he wouldn't get ahead of the announcement and give any specifics but was quite clear that this is something that is going to be front and center the possibility of a new round of sanctions chuck let's i know you had an exchange with him uh let's listen to that exchange there is a renewed push by european allies to send f-16 fighter jets to ukraine will the united states reassess its opposition given the president's alancy has said he needs these jets president by said it was not on the table for now it's not like it's not like we haven't uh had an open mind about this president is confident that that the that the allies and and our partners uh supporting ukraine will continue to support ukraine uh that that they all understand what's at stake here now obviously um he takes the convening power of the united states seriously and his leadership of that effort seriously but he's confident and optimistic that that support will stay strong so truck in that exchange i was asking john kirby about the fact that european allies in addition to pushing for yes new sanctions there is going to be this renewed push to send f-16 fighter jets something the president's alancy has been asking for so you heard john kirby's comments they're not closing the door on the possibility but also not saying that that is something the u.s is prepared to do right now but let's take a step back chuck we know that president alancy has asked for a range of military aid some of which the u.s is said it will not provide and then it's changed course for example those aprons tanks the latest example of that so could that happen in this instance as possible we know as you said at the top president alancy is going to be addressing leaders here he will undoubtedly ask again for those f-16 fighter jets chuck and we have known he is personally incredibly persuasive just look at how germany has continues to step up their support of this war as well anyway christen wellker on the ground it's very early where you are in here rashima uh tomorrow christen wellker thank you up next montana just became the first state in america to enact legislation to we'll have details on this drastic measure what it means including all the legal questions will it ever actually be implemented that's next to watch me present welcome back it's been a pretty big 24 hours for the tech industry a supreme court ruling today essentially sidestepping the issue whether internet companies should no longer be immune from lawsuits over users content courts rulings were victory for google and twitter who'd been sued by the families of paris and victims who say the company's aided and abetted attacks on their loved ones court rule today the evidence presented was insufficient the back of that claim the justice that were narrowing their ruling and did not decide whether or not youtube's conduct was protected under section 230 that is of course the infamous law these days which shields internet platforms from liability over what users post those decisions came a day after montana became the first day to enact a law totally that would totally van tikka from anybody in the state of montana the ban though isn't set to pick up at until january first and will be challenged in court before then chandelion covers spring court rmbc joins me now so let me see who's legal analyst and yes you did see him on succession no spoilers uh danny syvallis uh yeah we have to be careful on the spoiler front i think we got to go by two weeks before we can talk about i think that's the general edict that's so yes i can say that logan is dead but that's about it because that happened a month ago yes sorry for that spoiler but i'm sorry logan is dead yeah and mesh is canceled no more match there's no more and it's not filled in it um can let's talk about the supreme court ruling and the role that section 230 didn't play and did but this is a law passed by congress so it makes a lot of sense in the spring court really couldn't well congress gave him this protection so it doesn't matter we don't know whether they were liable or not they have this protection is that how to take interpretation they didn't even really get to section 230 the failure to state a claim essentially let allow them to not go to this question to the section 230 protect this but so it felt like it put off reckoning because there's a lot of appetite in congress to change the rules about this that section 230 is preventing legitimate claims against social media companies that are allowing a lot of bad stuff on their platforms including for example there's lawsuits against snapchat alleging that they are letting people deal with fentanyl and killing americans and so but it feels like the courts are saying look congress if you want to change this you have to pass you have to pass the law you know it's interesting in the in one of these hearings on ai danny um josh holly a republic senate from azure when they were talking about different regulations like you know there's no better regulation than the courthouse and you know is it it you as a lawyer would you still be thinking about challenging to 30 in the courts certainly i mean this decision doesn't change a thing about section 230 because they never reach it but if you are going to challenge it i think it's an uphill battle i mean i don't agree with the idea that the courts are a place for regulation i don't think the courts would agree with that i think especially a conservative supreme court would not see its role as regulation you hold it up for liability you've essentially forcing self-regulation right and we're also talking about the defense under section 230 is one that dates back to 1996 and certainly technologies advanced pretty significantly i'm not so sure legislators in 1996 envisioned what we would be doing today which is practically living online living on social media whether it be tick-tock google facebook youtube whatever the case may be there were no algorithms back then that you even had to deal with so if the court ever reaches section 230 of a plaintiff pleads a claim that gets them to that affirmative defense then some interesting things may happen is there even it could section 230 pass today in this congress i don't think so yeah with this kind of blanket immunity because congress both republicans and democrats have different kinds of beefs with social media and the algorithm is key because you know the idea of section 230 is that these are platforms not publishers but where does the algorithm fit in it's feeding an editor exactly to me the algorithm is an editor right you've just you know and so at what point do you hold them accountable for things that they're feeding people but you interest you brought up the algorithm as an editor but what if it is as just as tomas suggested what if it is an agnostic editor not an editor the way a human would edit things but rather a formula that treats everybody the same that's an interesting question as we move forward is if something is in fact editing what you could say an algorithm is does it matter that it's not human that it's really just a series of binary codes zero one zero zero zero it doesn't treat it equally because different people get treated differently depending on the algorithm does it matter that then the philosophical question doesn't matter if a robot is treating people differently rather than a human as an editor company program to robot exactly right yeah well now we're getting into skynet right now we're getting into chicken and egg um the tiktok fan um let me start with the lawyer here uh is this a simple first amendment case and this thing gets tossed out pretty quick yes plus it will be challenged on first amendment grounds i think one of the major issues is if you deny citizens of a state access to a platform but it's a foreign platform and that may be significant but either way if you deny them access to a platform for speech does that implicate not necessarily violate does it implicate the first amendment and if it does then there are a number of different analyses that have to be considered is it subject to strict scrutiny there are several different tests that the court has announced that have been around for a long time is it subject to a very strict test in which case it is likely to be invalid but beyond that there may be another complaint which is called the dormant commerce clause in other words states cannot act in their own self-interest and burden interstate commerce the problem is it's really hard to tell when a state is doing that or just enacting a regulation that is reasonable under the circumstances but the general rule of thumb is if they're burdening interstate commerce in such a way that it's problematic that it outweighs the benefit it could get overturned then the question is well are they burdening other states or are they burdening a foreign company or foreign country we have different laws and gambling apps yeah so and that's because of gambling not necessarily app now that said if you're in perhaps i have to know this you're in the state of Florida which does not have these legal apps i can access my app i just can't make a bet right um i don't know if you could draw that distinction in tiktok well i could i could have the app i can't log into it you know i don't know if they could figure that space out right yeah and what's interesting to me is look the Biden administration the national security agencies have all said tiktok is a national security risk but they haven't gone so far as to try to attempt a federal ban but there's a lot of chatter about it yeah but the courts care about that if there is you know Montana is responding to what the federal government says is a threat so they responded with the courts say well it's not like they decided this on their own the federal government has been issuing warnings about this um it's not banned yet but they've been issuing warning does that have any impact on the courts really maybe emotionally maybe morally but generally speaking states are neither required to carry on federal policy and probably the same is true that they cannot use it as a defense to an otherwise unconstitutional statute they can say well we pass this law to help the federal government we see what they're doing we get it we're just here to help in the same way they can't apply or be forced to carry out federal policy on immigration the reverse is probably true what is tiktok saying here because this is the beginning of what's going to perhaps be a fifties take bite yeah i mean they are fighting aggressively and have a huge lobbying campaign right now saying look we're we're essential to american life we're a fixture in a way they are walking the line in the sad campaign i'm a little uncomfortable with the Chinese government is using american soldiers to get you like tiktok yeah it's sort of the more you know the more uncomfortable the sad campaign but it also does show how how much how ingrained it's become in our society particularly among young people um you have a new career you mean as an artist yeah or you want to come do the big board with us uh i couldn't really i don't like it away right the right let's just say i may not be very good at the big board that's the problem that's not that you didn't have the nbc that happens when you're playing around with one of our other's world and you have to keep connected that's right that's right that's right that's what i mean any sort of else is kind of lenient thank you both after the break on major security labs congress is demanding information the head of the secret service says she's a livid after an intruder breach the home of president vice national security advisor and the secret service was out front the reporter who broke that story joined me next to watch me to pass out welcome back the chairman of the house homeland security committee is demanding a briefing from the secret service after an intruder managed to break in the national security advisor jake solven's home last month do sources tell me see news that the head of the secret services livid over the apparent security labs the washrooms broke the store this week the man entered solven's home in the middle of the night without being detected by agents who were on post guarding his house according to the post those agents did not know about the incident until the man had left the house and solven came outside to alert them that somebody had come into the house carolenic outbreak the story for the washroom post is also one of the most well-versed reporters covering the secret service as well as an nbc news contributor and she joins me now carol i this is one of those you just shake your head you can't believe it so i mean what's the explanation here feels like there shouldn't be that complicated where agents literally asleep at the wheel uh no joke it is possible actually chucked that is really as simple as it gets i've heard from multiple sources since we first broke this story my colleague and i tyler pager on the white house beat at the post that there's a belief a strong belief inside the team that's investigating this that it was human error simple pure human error and unfortunately i think that that's going to have some some pretty dire consequences for the careers of agents involved here if that's what happened but i also want to stress something that is new to me and i think it's worth saying i've written a lot about the secret service having misconduct and security breaches and serious failures over the last 10 years and kudos to the secret service because when i came to them and said this is what i'm hearing they automatically said yes this is a problem we concur this happened we're investigating we're trying to figure out what happened and the director then confided to several of her deputies that she was beside herself with anger that this could have happened so that's a change and something we should recognize here in the press that the secret service is taking this very seriously and not trying to cover it up which previous secret service agents have it did to do in the past so this is what the secret service mandate continues to expand i mean national security advisor was not a normal normally protected uh principal only only every once in a while until the Iranians targeted john poulton for assassination uh for his time uh at the trump white house is this a case is this a resource star agency is the ramped up security threats have never been greater on politicians left and right is is i can't help but wonder that this is not a contributor to this it's such a profound point i wish you would make it as often as you talk about this the service struggled after 9 11 to keep up with its ever-expanding mission but now what are they facing they're facing a divided country where where the speaker of the house is home now she wasn't protected by secret service but it's emblematic of the issue paulosi is attacked in his home because somebody has decided they want to get the speaker somebody who doesn't agree with her politically and and appears to be mentally unhinged as well a member of congress's staff jerry connley staff are attacked baseball bats the other day uh the capital police is recognizing that the division within the country has made things so taught so fraught that he's going to need millions more in dollars to protect members when they leave washington vc mitt romney on the day of forgive me in the days before january is traveling back for the certification of the election of the victory of joe biden as president and is being alerted by his colleagues that there are threats on his life and threats on the life of other senior members of congress so there's no question that the division in our country is fueling a certain amount of risk and and the secret service obviously has to sit up and take notice of this yeah bolton the bolton being you know an assassination target makes jake celiben more vulnerable makes basically everybody prominent and public more vulnerable look i mean you didn't bring it up i know your shop and my shop we both spend more on security than we did five years ago it just is this is a new frontier and a new paradigm that we all have to deal with carolenic from the washington post broke the story carol terrific reporting and analysis as always thank you uh speaking of reporting we have some new information this afternoon about senator dine feinstein's health nbc news has learned the california democrat suffered extension extensive complications from her case of shingles that sidelined her from working washington for months according to a person familiar with the matter feinstein suffered from a syndrome where the virus spreads to the head and neck she's also battled encephalitis which is typically characterized by swelling around the brain eighty nine-year-old feinstein returned to congress this month after missing an extended period of time to start this session when we've seen her on capitol hill we've seen her in a wheelchair and she's closely attended by Nancy Pelosi's oldest daughter who serves as a staff aide in your times which worked the story of feinstein's previously unknown diagnoses wrote the grim tableau of her re-emergence in capitol hill laid bare a bleak reality known to virtually everyone who has come to contact with her recent days she was far from ready to return to work but she did still become going nuclear in the battle against climate change why the head of the nuclear energy institute says this is the biggest moment for nuclear energy since the dawn of the atomic era and this has to be true i'll explain what's next you want to be present welcome back it has been six months since scientists announced a major breakthrough in what's been dubbed the holy grail of clean energy nuclear fusion in december scientists at the livermore national laboratory announced they were able to get more energy out of the reaction that they put in it was seen as a landmark moment with the potential to launch an entirely new field of clean energy and while we're still likely decades away at least from the first nuclear fusion power plans the breakthrough may have marked the beginning of a potential renaissance for the nuclear power industry this march the nation's first new nuclear reactor in nearly seven years was linked the project was seriously over budgeted by schedule it's been it's now online lawmakers are betting big on nuclear power with the inflation reduction act by the way that energy bill the bipartisan infrastructure law both have funneled billions in new funding to the industry in an effort to combat climate change the all of the above idea earlier this week at a meeting of nuclear industry leaders here in washington maria coarsman the president and ceo of the nuclear energy institute said that she believes this is the biggest moment for nuclear energy since the dawn of the atomic age well join me now is uh said person the anti-president ceo maria coars day when you say that i sort of say yes it kind of has to be maria and so let me start with this there's a joke among nuclear scientists that could have been a former secretary of energy uh early money said we're always 30 years away from being 30 years away um but is it different this time well i think it is different uh you mentioned uh nuclear fusion but nuclear fission uh which is what we have today is absolutely going to be a game changer for climate change for energy security for national security it is unlike any moment that we've had i've been in the industry for 35 years uh it's unlike any moment that we've had the demand is incredible there is no doubt every everybody talked about clean energy it is the it's the easiest answer but it is politically an uncomfortable answer because every time the public gets over its fear of nuclear issues then something happens you know first it's free my line then it was turn over and then you had Fukushima um how do we get over that actually the reality of climate change and the reality of the need for energy security i think it's getting everybody over that and think about why because everybody wants to decarbonize but you still want affordable energy and when you put that whole picture together it says nuclear power and it says nuclear power right now so recently the department of energy put out a report they said get two to three times the amount of nuclear that we have today by 2050 that's huge so absolutely we need to get clean energy but we need it to be affordable and the best solution for that is a backbone of nuclear with wind and solar when they're available what about the waste issue so let's talk about the waste issue so something about the size of your thumbnail okay a nuclear fuel pellet it's equal to one ton of coal okay it's also the same amount of waste that you get that much waste but that's pretty radioactive material one ton of coal i just said that's still very that's still to kill you that's very radioactive and we know exactly where it is we know exactly what it is and it's monitored very closely we have the most i think responsible for our waste stream now today it's stored at all kinds of sites around the country we should be more efficient with how we've stored it but it's very safely stored every place that you think it better off doing it one place i think it is i think it's more efficient to put it in one place and then ultimately it's a community or a state i mean look i've been covering politics over 30 years i think the first story i ever wrote about Nevada congressional racist had the word guacamelle right like this has been a you know not talk about the animbi issue on steroids right uh yeah come out absolutely so nobody wants to be the home for this waste well you know what around the world there's a lot of people finding homes for this waste and so i feel very comfortable that as a country we're going to do that too and the interim step is that interim storage and right now the department of energy is unleashing a consent-based siding process so and there are places that are interested and i absolutely think that we're going to break through with that but the reality is look about today all of the waste that we have from all of the commercial nuclear power we've had since the 1960s fits in one more store the volume is just not that big chuck even though but it is pretty radioactive material you and i could stand right next to it we had a cast right here okay all right i assume this has never been in a more bipartisan era for nuclear energy i mean when i first came of age as an adult it was republicans were in favor of it democrats weren't uh it seems as if this is balanced out absolutely great bipartisan support you saw that in the bipartisan infrastructure package where there were some pretty strong things in there for nuclear the civil nuclear credit program there was also a hydrogen getting hydrogen from nuclear power in there also the advanced reactor development project was in the bipartisan and then in the inflation reduction act more credits for nuclear absolutely bipartisan support and not just at the federal level also at the state level what can be done so that the plant in Georgia which was a big deal and they got funded and all that um is this a regular problem that you're going to have these delays or is this something that that because there's now a bipartisan consensus there's fewer uh manufacturer blocks i think a lot of things are going to happen nuclear tomorrow looks a little bit like nuclear today can be large can be medium can be small can be really small as well as we get to a point where each city has its own reactor absolutely we are in this century maybe even each town yeah you think it's actually this decade you're that company decade between the 30 20 30s to 20 40s absolutely well maria corsneck then we're gonna that's the only way we meet the clean energy goals of 2050 right that's exactly right all right good luck thanks for coming in thank you thank you for being with us this hour i'll be back with more meet the press now but before we go i want to uh i want to give you a little teaser here special programming oh my friend the nbc news chief foreign correspondent richan ankle is out with a new documentary marking 20 years since the u.s invasion of iraq in bag that he visited one of some of those things former palaces it's now a place for iraqis to enjoy dinner and live music here's a sneak peek at his exclusive report people in the outside the other companies one day here just iraq big feet they're often just for work like everything is mass everything it's like a damage here but no come to iraq and see the 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