Well, hi, hi everyone and welcome to the Nadiopnod podcast. It's a nerdy podcast and it's hosted by Nodenurz. I am one of your hosts, Sam. And I am the other host Paul.
And joining us tonight at the Overlow Hotel are two fantastically spooky, marvellous guests. We have, I can't even say that. We have the screen Queen herself, that is Kelly. So Kelly's joined us again for a double bill.
And we have the returning, the wonderful, the bashful Sonia, who was meant to join us last week, which was swinging off in some holiday, getting some sun and getting some pinaglars down in the neck. Rose and daiquiri is actually. Oh, for the daiquiri. Oh, oh, oh.
So yes, so this is our Stephen Kid and double bill. So it's been a while since we've kind of tried to match things up. Sometimes it happens accidentally, sometimes it happens on purpose. Normally when we try to match up amongst us, it's by a complete accident.
Like you do a weird one and we kind of like, follow suit or... It happened before, yeah. We said we were doing the shing and that was a definite. I was like, oh, we've got to do duck's sleep.
Yes, actually, we were doing that. And then Sonia said, if you don't do duck's sleep, I will beat you to death with a dead fish. So... That sounds like a meeting to say.
Yes. I mean, the letters we do on the back of something is something like that. Yes. And she has point out in the chat as well.
I also speak and drink the frozen daiquiri. If you check out our Instagram or TikTok, you can see a video of me enjoying one in the hard rock cafe. Just saying, yes. Oh, so hard rock cafe?
Yes. Then when we go to London. I'm a changed man now. Once you go down south, you don't...
Northern Asia, it's all gone. It's like... It's actually the names of Tenerty of South. I know you don't.
Dancer. To be further than that, that could go wrong. That could be like say, I want only fans named Nelly Duck. That could be really bad.
We could get some not-so-tasteful clientele joining us. To be fair, it doesn't get any more tea and salt than Kelly and Sonia, so that's fine. We got to the last one Kelly and Sonia in the past, especially any Princess Bride episode. Oh, gosh.
Yeah. Yeah, that was the episode. When you were trying to say that the film was shed, then we saw your comments, it was a good film. I don't think I was going to happen for this episode, so that's fine.
No. I think we'll see if we're all maybe on the same page with this episode. Possibly, yes. On the smoothie side shall we see it.
But yes. I'll tell you what. I got this name right the way. So we can check on in to the Oblo Hotel for one last time.
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So let's keep it fun, keep it kind, and keep the toxic behaviour out of nerdism. Yes. And if you're down with the kids like me and Sami is now, you can get us on that TikTok, E-Tok-Dee-Tok. Oh, my gosh, I can't do this.
TikTok, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. Yeah, I'm trying to stop there in a video, but I'm trying to talk to you, I know. I'm like, yeah, okay. Yes.
I was going to be like a funny meme about someone far, and I'll say, what are you going to get tagged in? Good to know. That's all for next time. So for nerds out there, want to get a response out of the sun, yeah?
Fart memes, it's the way forward. Let me do it. Last week, I totally forgot to do the taglines, the china. Oh, I know.
I don't have them. I just have the taglines for this one. Yeah. And a pretty...
I'm from Stephen King, author of The Shining. Okay. So I've definitely come on the back of The Shining tagline. The world will shine again.
I'll do it like that. I'll do it like that one. Yeah. The next one, dare to go back.
Back. That's not a game. By the future. But again, I was going to break out in bridge two there.
Stop me. Mm-hmm. The next chapter in The Shining Story. Oh.
That's just a description. The same time. That's a... Kind of brings us nicely into the next chapter in The Shining Story.
But that does go with, like, this movie as well. Because when this came out, you would think, like, how long this came after The Shining? I'm not going to try and see how long it's... 1999.
No, no, no. 2018. 2013 was released. Oh, and then the film came out in 2019.
Yeah. This came out with very little advertisements, like, there was no big hurrah or big... Because you would think a sequel to The Shining, one of the most loved horror movies that's ever been made, would have came out with, like, a big hit, like a big fanfare. People would have been like, clapping and saying, it kind of was like a little win-bissing.
Oh, Dr. Sleep's coming to the cinema and we're like, what's... Like, if you weren't familiar with the book, you were like, oh, what's Dr. Sleep?
Because the trailer gave very little a win. The trailer was very, very, very, very simple. And then, like, when they announced it's a sequel to The Axle's Shine and you were like, holy shit, they've actually made a sequel to The Shining. Let's see what they said.
Like, how can you make a sequel to... Like, what a lot of people say is a complete and... Not perfect, because everyone's got a thing... As a complete movie is, it's very hard to follow up on what could be The Shining to.
Yeah. I was very pleasantly surprised when I saw this. I didn't see the pictures. I saw it on...
Yeah, I was... I was trying to tell you. Yeah. I was trying to tell you.
I was trying to tell you. So, do you remember last week when I said that Stephen King, kind of like, he had his feelings on this, but he kind of got over it towards the end. And he kind of like, oh, okay, it is what it is. I found out the reason why he feels like that.
And it's because of this movie. So, Mike Flanagan, this movie's been in production since 2013. The script's been written and it got dished around and nobody was interested. And I don't know what the original script was, but nobody was interested until somebody went, oh, that could be neat.
Maybe Mr. Mike Flanagan could have a crack at it. Mike was sore clever. This is how great this man is.
With the relationship between Köbrik and King was completely tainted because Stephen King wrote the original screenplay and Köbrik just went, fuck, no, don't like that. You can just leave. Mike Flanagan went to him and said, listen, I've got this project. This is the script.
I'm going to change it. I want your input on it. Hell yeah. And it did a collaborative effort.
And what Stephen King loved about this movie is that everything he hated about the shining was put right in this film. Right. Yes. So it was an absolute collaborative effort on both parts.
And it was all Mike. Yeah. Like Mike's doing it. It wasn't a production company telling him he had to go and do it.
He went off his own back. Everything got Stephen's approval. And it's the end. Right.
It's the end. It's the end. Because he said to him, he said I have to, he said I was reading an interview when I was like, I have to be blunt with Stephen King and say, we have to take this movie from the shining, the continuation of the shining movie. Yeah, we have to take this.
Yeah, it has to go from there. We can't do it based on the miniseries because, let's be honest, Stephen, not everyone is seeing the fucking miniseries. Right. So he was like, we have to go off the film.
But what I will do is put right the ending of your book. Yeah. Because the overlap was so personal to Stephen King. And the fact that it didn't get the treatment that it should have had in the original movie, it got in this one.
So, yeah. So, what about you, Sony? What was your first experience? As for Dr.
Stigman? Or we've talked off air about not reading the book. So I think... Yeah.
I mean, I'd love to read the book now. But since I've seen it, I didn't know this was a thing. And I watch a lot of Twitch, like a lot of Twitch, which means I get a lot of adverts when I'm not to talk to people. So I saw the trailer for this, a shit-ton.
And I don't know why, but I thought it was a film that was kind of like... Because it showed elements of the shining in the trailer. And so I thought it was like a homage to the shining that had you regret going there. I didn't actually realise it was a sequel.
I was like, I remember googling it. And then being like, holy shit, you didn't know the book. Like, what? I was totally mind-blown.
But as soon as it came on Netflix, I was like, oh, yeah, let's watch this. And went in totally blind. Didn't know what to expect. But like you was so really surprised by how much I enjoyed it.
Yeah. What about you, Kelly? I was lucky enough to read the book before watching the film, yeah. And I know, yeah.
I tried myself on that. I tried for myself on that. Yeah. So when I see a red book, I've got an audio book and oh my god, the fucking narrator.
I've really listened to it for this episode. And oh my god, there's nothing as bad as a man trying to put on a rose the hat voice. When it's just not fucking working out, it's just like, what's terrible, terrible. Anyway, I absolutely loved the book.
I loved what they did and how they built that whole sort of like what would Danny be like now after the trauma of what happened to him in that hotel. But yeah, but when I watched the film, two and a half I was like, oh my god, tell us about it. Yeah. He's like, what is the director's cutting into doing it all his long?
Yeah. To be fair, I've seen the director's cut and it goes into more rose that and not so kind of ties, I know, ties, I know, sorry. Ties that a little bit more. What we're finding now with a lot of directors, you're getting more of the back, sorry.
But I know it's interesting what Sami said, this would be in a direct sequel to the movie, Not the Boo. How do you feel like a continuation? How do you feel this film, before we stop getting into what we've all got the film, this film follows on from the shining goes, even though it's a sequel that a follow up, it's two very, very different fails. Like these films are chalking trees when it comes to certain aspects to it.
But how do you feel about the continuation part of it? I like it. Yeah, I did as well. I felt like because I've read the shining and all that Stephen King liked, Jack Nicholson, not even like Jack Nicholson, Jack.
He's called Jack as me, Tori. Yes, Jack. He liked Jack. Jack was written as a good person who had demons, right?
So what I liked about this was like it almost like it explained that it was the demons, it was the hotel itself and it continued on. But it did it in a way that actually, like you said, it was probably why Stephen can give it as approval is because it happened in those extra elements and like showed like, actually this was a man who had addictions and like was battling and but he was someone who loved his kid and loved his wife and the hotel got the bedroom and it creates a really good bad guy in the hotel itself. The thing grows for that is like this big arch evil but actually it's still a hotel. It's the real evil.
Like I love that shit and I think it does that really well. When they were driving up that road I was like, go on, go on. Yeah, I love the fact that they didn't rely on old footage. No.
Everything was already shot. It was all with you. Even though they haven't Wendy and Scatman Brothers is sorry, I can't do this. I can't call him Dick Holler and Suckry.
But the had him and Jack as different people was just, it was fitting if they used old footage or tried to do anything clever CGI wise, it would have taken the magic of it. You would have thought it's more on that than it would be actual plot. Yeah. I'm actually quite spooky.
It was spooky seeing the woman who cleared Wendy. The voice, I was like, fuck me, that is Shelley Duvall's voice. It was quite unnerving. Mannerism, sometimes I would look at her and think, is that not her?
Like, is it CGI? Like, have they, you know, what's wrong? And the same with it. Was it Jack at the end of the hand of the bar?
Henry Thomas himself. I was like, that's immonervated. I did it. It would have been Mike Mulligan does now as well.
There's a couple in there who might probably got a spin race. Yeah. Yeah. I did mention this time he was joined us as well.
Again, this is probably maybe a day from being clever. I do think I missed the trick that could have used Christian S poller as the Jack's Nicholas and Raw, because he was always known as the young Jack Nicholson when he broke through in the in the in movies. I'm sorry. That's definitely got the voice.
Yeah. It's got like this kind of like, glint in his eye and I think that would have been a little bit of an interest. Like, even a little joke for Jack Nicholson's fans. I think it would have been quite an interesting take.
it would have been if I knew that reference but I didn't and I was like oh okay okay and do you want to know the potential Danny? Oh yeah go for it oh yeah and so as I was talking about this in the car because I was talking about the film and the book and I was like Danny's kind of all been ended character because we don't know him so we only know this child so to be honest anyone could have potentially fell into the Danny role and would have been okay but the candidates and I like the first one was Dan Stevens right and if you don't know who Dan Stevens is he played Matthew and Downhavi he transitioned over to American television with Legion yeah he played the Beast and Beauty and the Beast right yeah he was in what he called the X-Men one next one Legion I tried it yeah definitely yeah definitely yeah sorry Legend of Legion or something like that and but yeah Dan Stevens and to be honest Dan's kind of has transitioned well from like the posh Matthew Crawley to he does American badass movies like he's he's done well and the next one for sevens no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no he's too pretty and I was like absolutely yeah he's too good he's too pure he's got a touch of and I don't know if he's got a touch of like he's got a touch of like he's got a touch of like he's sweet and he's very attractive in this film as well holy shit but like he's just got that touch of rough about him which Chris Evans just can't pull off he's too clean you're gonna hear the next one then I was too British and thought Chris Evans don't forget you too oh no no no no no me not all different kettle of it same as you know America's answer yeah yeah David what I am it's interesting is him because I preferred you McGregor in the drum and like if you have to start what he's saying about his worst I thought he's still in the role better than when he was all clean cutters like know if you've been all over one and it's now just go back go back to the trans entrantes that's why I was like yeah he was probably what's like been in his fear that is trans PLAY the next one that you can hear it's Max Smith. Oh, yeah, no. No, it's not at all.
I love Matt, but that would never have worked. Like, you and struggled with an American accent. I can't imagine what Max Smith would have been like for an American. I think you and look like the kid as well, though.
I think that's why the cast and works like, down the kid. I could see him going up and looking like you. The last one was Jeremy Renner. Oh, that could have worked.
That could have worked. The same reason I think he's got that greatness about him. Jeremy Renner did back in the day in a movie of Ted's Bundy. Right.
He was fucking unreal. Like he was absolutely unreal in it. But Stephen King got college on the pick and chose you and the player. Don't eat.
How much might have involved? Yeah. But when you think about now, like the actors, like the current, and I'm not slating like Monday actors and stuff like that, everyone's so clean cut. Everyone's so nice.
There's very few, like as I said, scumbag looking actors out there that can play a downtrend or unwashed, like you were going to do his own wash well. Like, let's be honest. But if you look at like Monday, like anything that's in like a Marvel movie, everyone's so perfect and prissy and stuff like that. Even in Monday, horror, there's like everyone's a pretty boy.
There's no kind of like rough and ready guys anymore. Where's the shop hands of these worlds? Yeah. Yeah.
I totally agree. I feel like we need more like average jokes. We need more like normal people in films. Like when you go in sports.
But it's right. There wasn't like the reason that I'm so effective is because they're sort of like different and you can see yourself in those different people. And I think that really helps for Danny in this film because like you you side with him. And I think if he'd been someone really clean, cut you would have been like, oh, get over it.
You've got special powers. Fuck off. I love the vulnerability of you and McGregor in this going. Yeah.
You know, the downtrend on his ass to kind of pulling himself out and I'm reading the book at the moment and Danny has just started to get to the point where he's like, he needs to, he needs to come back because there's no coming back for him at the minute. Just before we start going into the actors and stuff, because there's some brilliant performances and actors in this. Can we start talking about the opening scene on this movie? I like this is basically because this is set in the tone, like, because you think, oh, it's gonna be a horror movie.
It's gonna be a horror movie. And a lot of things that horror movies do stay away from. As I say, if they want to have children in, not a steaming king. Children normally make it out to the end.
They'll all again. That's the thing. And we introduced it to Rosa, the character who was just mesmerizing in everything that she's in. Oh, hi there.
And then she's just like, literally terrifying. This is like, chills, chills to the born and just how the same plays out with, like, characters that go a little girl coming to her and she's been all nice, skil over, I was your new magic trick. And then you see the knot, the true knot, just like, kind of a period. The motion.
Yeah. And it's a little violent as well. It's one of my Flanagan's. Yeah.
She's in a house on a television show. And she's, she's so cute. And she's so good at delivering lines and such a, like, child, like, you know that girl is older than her time. Like, she is.
But did anyone else get the, the inspiration behind that scene when she's holding the flowers? No, it's Frankenstein. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
It's Frankenstein. It's a little girl, but she's, it was when she's holding the flowers and then no Frankenstein's in black and white. I do get that. But I know that the flowers are in color.
And the all colors, flowers. And it was just the way she was holding them and the way she's looking at it. And it's the fact that they're right next to her. Yeah.
Wow. I thought you didn't get that, sorry. No. I did not, not, so, because I've watched this movie a few times, but I've never really paid that much attention because it's two and a half hours.
Like, it's hard to keep thoughts on. There's a little thing that Rose does, like Rebecca Foggs and, like, it's an amazing performance. When she's given the girl the flower, it's like, to bring her in, she moves the flower to herself, ever so slowly. And just, I think it's just like a little, like new one.
The character is just like, oh, but that just shows you what kind of like moving that we're going to be in for. Because you thought that's like the shine on was brutal or the shining was intense. This is the first introduction to Dr. Slate and we're getting child murder at the start.
Yeah. Literally. Oh, I do. I love that opening scene.
And when I realized it was, you know, based around Frankenstein, I was like, oh my God, it's the fact that I just love another. And so sharp as well. Like to be like, who's that? No.
It's a good like, I can't me as well. Because like, if you actually, if you want someone to clock that sooner, the concept of like Rose the Hat being a monster and that being on your mind, like, feeling like, why is this child giving them once to flowers and then are they a monster? Because I'm, I'm to know how it feels about them. It's probably puts that subconscious on ease in you without you even realizing it.
It's so smart. That's that's my cousin in a jelly. I'm going to get my pick out the way with this movie and this story because I really like this and I don't want to spend any time that I show it on me. But the true not itself.
What an amazing fascinating concept of these people, these individual people who all have an individual talent who all bring something to the table to the not. And we don't get to see if we can any of it. No, we don't get to explore Rose in any shape or for sense. I mean, maybe in the director's quit.
I don't know. But if you're watching it on first, you know, on first watch, there's no talent of the strength that Rose has. And if you're watching it on the left, you can communicate with her the way that she does. Rose has something just as strong as abrid does and you don't get to see any of that and all these other people apart from the point at the beginning and really.
And the thing in the book, that was horrific. It was horrific. But she was so interested in the book. It really explained what she can do and it does show you that to a degree in the movie, but the door and all the rest of them.
Yeah. And all these people. Yeah. And this is literally what I loved every concept of this movie, like, absolutely until the point where it was like, oh, they're gone.
Oh, well, right. I'm literally knocked out mentally, knocked out the film when they were gone. He thought he was going to get in or see what they can do. And that's my one one thing of this film.
This is where I think not the film of the movie, but film to realize what would have worked this. We've talked about so many times in different films, different concepts. This movie is doing Mike Flanagan TV show on Dr. Sleep, giving episodes of an hour episode.
I was going to say six episodes of this would have been so much better to go like in a different segments, really. Because two and a half hour, three hours of the director's got, you're still not going to get all the information you want. You're going to be crammed and it's going to get confusing. And if you could just spread it and this is a movie to do that in.
I've never liked it. Something we talked about in falls recommended TV shows, kind of like being on the fence with it, but this one hundred percent. You could have done so much more with the car. You have the characters are interested in.
You've already made them interested in explaining that the part of a family unit. Everyone has something individual to bring to the table. Explorers. Let's let's know about it.
But hang on. That's me. One little gripe. I don't want to give like a little thing at the end where Danny's explained the rent scene.
Well, there's more people that are hungry out there. So there's probably other people on the same way. It says you're on your own and just like this is more. Yeah.
Cause that's the, like, the expanse where you could go and like it's never ending. And all when Rose talks, I was saying, oh, same as becoming less or less important because people like diet change or not laughing at themselves as well. Or even the mood to imagination because I said, oh, kids are two of these on the phones and stuff like that now. So it's kind of like, oh, so just kind of trying to work out what the same is or that was quite an interesting point that I wanted to.
But one thing I wanted to like to go over as well is the fucking cast. Like, I know we talked about casts in the past, but when you're looking through this and even like the big part players who are playing other roles that's being made famous in the shining. As Kelly said, the, the, the, the, the, the, like Wendy is just unreal. Like you wouldn't even think the voice down and everything.
But again, you and McGregor in this as well. And I think like what would you and McGregor's done some fucking amirs and work and he's got chops and he can do more than just these aren't the droids you're looking for. Hello there. But.
I just gave things that haven't been a false question. I like to say I like to hear this for a trail of Danny so much in this one, just because you got to that journey that we didn't get with Jack in the shining. As we said last week, as soon as Jack Digglesum walks into the shop in the world of Cortel, he's fucking batshit crazy nuts from day one. There's no lead up or delves in the madness.
We get the poor busy. You're a Greg of being a scumbag and stealing money from a cocktail woman that he's met at the bar with the kids. Justification of that in the boog made total sense to me. I'm just going to say that because in the boog he says, because he doesn't take all the money he takes some of it he leaves us so many he takes some and he's like, listen, this is how much this bottle would have cost.
And he's like, back the bottle that she's drunk, and this is the justification of it. But that plays out so differently in the boog. She leaves the court as well, doesn't he? So she leaves the law.
No, no, she doesn't. Yeah, so she's asleep in bed. The kid is the kid is in a crib and the kid gets out and decides that it wants the court. And he describes it as starfish hands.
He leaves and for the guilt of that, just to eat him up alive to put then is met by the lady, Denny, who was the lady who we saw the money from in his bedroom. Yeah. She's all blotted out and she's all blotted and everything. She she did survive.
It doesn't look like she does in that moment, but she ended up surviving the ex boyfriend who he just who he punched in the bar came back and killed the kid. And then she killed herself on the back of it. It is I've got really one thing in about that. The whole thing is just her.
That is a recurrence, like more teeth throughout the book. And that made me very fucking uncomfortable. I was kind of saying, as as a parent, it must hit you in a different way. This film, this book, like just aspect.
I really love Stephen King does, which is he does balance really well. So like, if you actually put Denny in roadside by side, they've both caused harm to a child. They both have thought about it, but Rose has absolutely zero guilt at all about it. She's addicted, right?
She's addicted to steam. And then you've got Danny who has caused harm to a child, but he's guilt ridden over it. He's also addicted. But as the film plays out, like he overcomes addiction and atones for his guilt, where his rose never does.
And I feel like that's why she gets her downfall is because she doesn't atone. Does that make sense? Oh, massively. He drinks at the point of where I'm at the book he's just about, he's just about a rock bottom.
And he's ready to stop. But his drinking is to, it's one to tell out he's shiny. He doesn't want it anymore. And two, he has a better understanding of his father.
He feels closer to his father as an alcoholic, which I think was brilliantly portrayed in the end scene where they have an conversation with him. I love, I love that. And also the guilt. He can't get over the fact he walked out that room and left that kid in the position where what ends up happening to him.
He could have been avoided and Danny feels responsible for it. And it's not day colouring, telling him to stop, which I thought was clever for this film because in the book, Dick survives. And it's Wendy who calls Dick because after the lady in the bath comes and gets him, he goes silent. It was massy.
Yeah, it was massy. And he goes completely silent and he rings Dick and that's where the introduction of the box comes in. But now the fact is the ghost. I loved that.
That's rich. Yeah. That in, because he needed that lock box, he needed that lesson. That was quite graphic in the book when Dick had a talk about what he said.
Yeah. The man's out there. He had a lock in the box. Yeah.
It was. It's, oh, Jesus. Yeah. He kind of turns it down in the movie where he's talking about it.
And I've been a dirty bastard. It's granddad deserves to be rotten in hell. What he did to that boy. It's awful.
But the lock box is another air call back to Stephen King from Dreamcatcher. I was just about to say it. The one I love the book. I mean, I love the film as well.
I love the book Dreamcatcher. And a lot of people didn't like it. I love the depiction of the mind library. Like it's just such a good fucking concept.
And I loved how they did it in the astral projection scene in this film. Like when she thinks she's in abras, but she's actually inside her. It's like a whole fucking palace library. It looks so good.
I love that concept. It's so good. I love it in Dreamcatcher where he's like, he's like, everything. And he's like looking at his memory box and I'm like, Oh my God, can I create something like that?
I need one. My daughter book in order. Exactly. Exactly.
There is a couple of references to Stephen King's work in this film as well. This is how amazing Mike is, by the way. And you can tell this is where True Love comes into it and being like a proper fan boy as well. Yeah, the dark tower is referenced in this film.
The bus line that both Danny and Avriticic is called Tet. The baseball number is number 19. The place where one of the true enough victims. The place where one of the true enough victim is killed is called Lemark Industries and Dick Halloran refers to K as refer to K when talking with Danny about.
Karmic debt. Hey, you're dead. That's right. Yeah.
And the last one don't get this off me list. The hallway and the hospice is a dedication to the Green Mile. See that. See that.
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See that. See that. The house that our brother lives in his number. One nine eight zero, which is the other original shining game.
Oh, yeah. There is a special cameo on this movie. Oh, really? Original Danny Torrance is in the.
He's in the best. He's in the best. He's watching. Yeah, he's the guy who's going number 19.
He went off and became like a college grand and then did something within teaching and acting was not not for him. And it had nothing to do with the experience on the shine and because I was like a fucking king. Yeah. He's in the film as well.
What did you think of Abra the last day of IKEA? I love that. I love the character, but I found that acting was a bit flat in places, but that's really nasty. It's like a bit harsh, but like she could have been better, I think.
But she wasn't bad. I felt like sometimes a bit like. Okay. It's not that actually.
It's when you we're in a rock the violet at the beginning. Yeah. And you know what an actress violet is. Yeah.
And I get what you mean. I just I loved her. I love the little girl who played that before when she's like, I can do that magic trick. And I'm like, boom.
She was lovely. She was absolutely adorable. But honestly, if I was that magician and some kid kept saying I can do that magic trick, I would end up going to fucking do with it. I have.
Just like the way I was at the Flex Child Hypnosis that's sometimes the acting abilities not always going to be there. But I was based on an annoying factor. Now, that's gonna paint me in such a bad speech. But I'll bet you everyone who's watching this or watch the movie, they have the same thought.
It's like that kid is so fucking every day and it can take out the presents. She never once got annoyed. So I'll give it a lot of credit for that. for that.
We have a we as in me and have a kid a moment. The kids who can annoy you the most and it has to if it reaches the level of Babadook then we know that then this is a film and we know that he's not asked. So yeah we have this like kid almost aware that you know he is just here annoyingly horrible child so nobody has reached there for a long time. Yeah.
I was on haunted hill though I feel like obviously totally different works but like his child act is a that brilliant. Yes. I feel like he's probably got quite a good handle I'm like who he wants for what and how it like he clearly knows what he's doing when he's cast them kids which is really good. And the kids the kids went to as well.
Yeah. We can agree. The kid who plays Violet's twin brother he's been in WandaVision and they have obviously gotten some actin chops in there especially with the caliber of the adult actors at the work as well. Yeah.
I think I just think Mike's brilliant a custom. Yes. I'm just going to go for Mike Flanagan this whole. But I think what he does is what he doesn't pick the obvious choices.
I give you a bit of a classic there's Snake by Andy who led a basically be kind of ghosting Ghostbusters from the Empire. She had the turn of acting where she looks adorable stunning but when she turns to the nasty side you get scared. The look in her eyes as well. But again I'm just going to probably push over Rebecca Ferguson.
Custom performances were seen before this or if you might be more renowned for was like the great showman and stuff like this. This was her turn as like I mean like kind of me and say like center stage being the main focus on and she literally on this film like this thing almost good but no one was on her level. I felt that she was. She's all left completely.
She really did and this is a film like British Norman always has that attachment to it that she never did that song. She never and this is not the case in this movie. Everything about Rose the Hat comes from Rebecca Ferguson like she did her fucking warm work and the costume choices. Yes.
Oh yeah. It creates the person. She could have literally walked around and Rebecca's that could have walked around and just like whatever with the hat. We're back.
Yeah. I still want to look at me as it but he took that to another level with the costume choices. Yeah. As well.
The hat even the hat. It's not a fucking hat. That's a hat. I think Kenny would serve the hat.
So I can carry the hat. I went through a stage for a while. Where I am. Was it your heart beat?
Are you right there? Yes. Yes. I had that hat here.
I had a ball of hats. Oh. I wore a ball of hats. Quite a lot.
Can you remember in the 90s the velvet hats with the. Yeah. I had the rose on the front. That was very clueless.
Wasn't it? Very. That's my hat. So.
And there's two major disturbance scenes in this movie and both involved Rebecca Ferguson. The first one we've kind of alluded to but we'll talk about that in a little bit because I think going into a bit more detail on that one would be interesting. But the other one is where we see her being degloved. I don't think it loves that shit.
It's obsessed with me. I really watched it earlier. And I was like, okay, so we've got the mind library from Dreamcatcher. We've got the degloven from Gerald's game.
The winner did it as well. It wasn't just because you saw a hand. He was in. He was.
Sorry. He's calling. He was. Mine.
And she gets a hand stuck in the kind of draws and stuff. And you think, oh, I'm just going to crush a hand. And you see a pull note. You see the skin fold and back on the hand.
But it's not quick. It's slow. That's the thing. I was slow.
I want to see your sinews. I don't know why I'm not. I don't know if it's gross. I'm just.
Yeah. Maybe I'm just interested in this. My mum had to get stitches once because she was washing up a cup. And it just sliced through a hand.
And I sat and watched them stitches. I was like, how can you watch? And I was like, it's fascinating. It's not.
I have. I don't know if you can save it right here. I have a line. I used to have a fascination with mugs where I would literally take a drink and wipe the mug across my lips every time.
Every time. Every time. I got caught out once with a chip in the mug. And then I just went out there.
I was like, I'm just going to get a little bit of a little bit of a glass. Every time. Every time. I got caught out once with a chip in the mug.
I have a couple of stitches. I just put my sleeve on. I don't do this. Apparently I don't do eyes as well.
I watched press contact the other day. And I don't do eyes. It's so fingers. Oh, it's like, I've got to pick it up with the two.
I'm just loving this. Yeah. So coming soon, it turned off like a three-episode starring, son. Yeah.
I can't wait to talk about it. Do you know what? I know we're not talking about it yet, but the baseball scene is one of two of the most disturbing things I've ever gotten to be in, like, witnessed. Most stuff doesn't generally disturb us, which, going into this film, I didn't expect to be disturbed.
I mean, the beginning was hard, but I was like, you know, it's horrible. You don't say much. You don't say much. You just say them attack.
You're in a comfortable place as well. It was comfortable. I was disturbing to this day. I still have it.
I think that is as well. If you think about the build, though, because normally we'd see in horror movies, you see the end, the beginning, the middle, but then they don't show how it plays out. You see the build of everything, like, from the storm and to how the production, and, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.
Because we're not talking about the experience like any of us have. Thank God. But, as kids, we were always told to be wary of your fans, be wary of people trying to get you into cars and stuff like that. It's the best for a daily man.
Yes, I remember him. So the same plays out on them. It's completely because literally it's like the build up. The fans there doing a lift wall.
No, no, that's not that far. So then they use Andy's character to kind of cause he's the hypnosis to get you people to do what you want to. I'm pushing. Yeah.
And she's like, come in the van and he goes, I'm coming in the van. And from that moment, we think, oh, this is not going to go well. I can't think he's going to get rescued. I was waiting for him.
The thing is, we're watching this at all. We could quite easily pause this. Have a moment, but you just can't see. You can't stop.
Yeah, you can't stop watching. And you don't look away because you kind of like you think it yourself. Is he going to get out of this? And this was the hardest scene Rebecca Ferguson and my son again has ever had.
Imagine it was the cast. We're in his. Talking about what we're in his. The cast were in hysterics like really badly.
To the point where Rebecca Ferguson had to go off and get help because you couldn't breathe properly because of how which it was affecting her. But the scene where he where they're just looking at literally just looking at him. Rebecca's done everything is looked everywhere. And he just the kid just opened his eyes and goes, Oh, that was great.
Can we do it again? Everyone just like literally burst into tears to wake. And this kid didn't have a fucking clue. He was loving it.
That's how good that kid actually is. Trevio is. Yeah. Yeah.
This is like when you go into any of the interviews, this is the one to talk about that literally left. Yeah. It's true that the scene was actually going to be much longer than it was. Yeah.
Stephen King made them. He said I love killing kids. But that's too much. That's kind of for me.
That's the clip he showed gets. It's not easy to do. I love killing kids. That's a sound.
That's a sound. The kid killings in like the same king books are just like cage in Pet Sempery. Fuck me. Like that bouncing ship will die with me.
Yeah. It's like on the remaking at the minute. No, it's not. Salem's lost.
The kid deaths. The kid deaths. It's terrible. Yeah.