Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of the Nerd You've Not Fudd cast, the Nerd cast hosted by two Northern nerds and one of you Horsam. And I'm the other host Paul. And today is a Nerd talk. Just like an L already.
I don't know if I'm going to do it now. So today is a Nerd talk on Jurassic Park, or Jurassic Park, or Jurassic Park, up up up up up up up. There you go. That was my song.
I might break out and do it a few times because it gets to me. I'm sure there's a comedian on, I'm saying on some panel I did that like what was the channel, the Jurassic Park, the theme show because it doesn't actually have words, but it seems like it should. Yeah, so we're going to talk about the original Jurassic Park trilogy, not the new ones, the ones that came out, but saying our childhood. I know we're talking about Jurassic Park in one of our podcasts, I believe it popped up in our top five favorite films.
Oh, another film point. It was one of yours. But it's like one of the films from our childhood that made the cinema special. So we thought, And sorry, made every note, does make every kid our age group want to be an archaeologist.
I think Indian and Jones did that from me. But I definitely make it more interesting in dinosaurs. As kids, dinosaur was always always always on the forefront of the obsession. I remember going down London Museum, is it the national history one and seeing the skeletons and being absolutely in awe and thinking these things ruined the earth and what happened.
And I think everyone become a little bit obsessed at one point with dinosaurs. So that's the big question to start with. What's your favorite dinosaur? Yes, ours.
No hesitation at all. Vegetarian, tall, like me, one vegan, but still very tall and just beautiful and curious about them. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I was my favorite animal.
Yeah, so it was always split between the two. Like, it was over triceratops or a stegosaurus with a tail swinging out the back. Is that the one from the third film? The second when the last world.
Okay, that's what I've got an android because I have called him the stegosaurus from the third one. He was like, I forgot to. Well, next year, I know there's a new Jurassic Park film coming out. So that's why I would leave it off the other two with the Jurassic world.
Was it a remake or continuation? So we see a lot of the original. I would say continuation because it's not Jurassic Park, it's Jurassic World. So it's like a different set of trilogy, isn't it?
But I'm not ready to share that heartbreak yet. So I love it because I don't like them. It's just the second film really, really touched a nerve. Yes.
Well, yeah, I know. But just going back to the original three, these films do have all the special part, place in my heart. This is like me going to the same with my parents. I think I shared a story last time of me dad checking the signal, I want to say Bambi at the metal center and then turning up and sitting there and seeing the big screens come on and Jurassic Park, words.
I said, it's up there with one of the best films, or I should say a cinema experiences that makes going to the pictures special to me. Even to the today, I love going to some of it. I love even when people talk and annoy us. I still love that experience.
It still falls a special name into us. And that's why films to me, I hear that word films to me. This is a film, you can play in film because I can hear it now, but it's really good to you. It means so much to us because you take your back, take your real world and you live in that fantasy for a little bit.
I can still remember sitting there. The big thing that stands out to me is when they're going into Jurassic Park initially and you see the gates. So it's very reminiscent of King Kong. The gates open up and it's got the words of Jurassic Park and you think, well, what's going to be this?
Because I know these days when you get to see a movie trailer, everything's spoken literally to you say far too much. But back in the day, a sailboat was very clever in how we did the movie trailers. You saw very little and all the T-Rex wasn't shown properly until you saw the film, you just saw the footprints or you heard the noise. I don't know what you're saying.
I was saying when Jaws came out as well, go back previously, no one had seen the shark until you saw the film. You just heard the noises and stuff and again, as some wonderfully bit of rendition of the song, the music in Jurassic Park sticks with you and it's emotional. That's best way to describe it, it is emotional. It is.
My first experience is very different from you. I've never seen Jurassic Park in on the big screen. Right. And I got this from the bandman.
The dodgy white bandman. It was literally, it was the first ever pirate film I'd ever seen and my granddad was so excited to show us because I was pro... I am a proper boy. I was in the boy toys and boy things and dinosaurs and he was so excited to show us.
I remember sitting on a piece of his knee and always being between his legs on the floor because I always sit on the floor. Even today, I still sit on the floor all the time, legs crossed and I was mesmerizing. I just remember that was my life. That's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to be for a very long time, not just an archaeologist of dinosaurs, but of history itself. And I was obsessed with it. I will kick myself for the rest of my life and not having that passion in my later years. You know when you're a kid and you're just so ignorant, I just wish I could have taken that and took it into me early teens and twenties and social life became the most important thing to me.
And probably still. It was watching it. So it is kind of special. I just, if we're all not seeing it on the big screen, it was a special experience.
I remember granddad, I can't really hear what his name was. I knew I would be excited about this. And it was just life-altering in a way of looking at an actual film. Like these creatures that I don't even see in a book that were born structure.
We're now on my screen. And look, saw fucking real. Just to mention that as well. Because I think the CD area came up before this.
I can't remember the films I was on. I turned it to before this. But this was the first film that used it, but used it in a way that you thought, wow, this was unbelievable. Because when you look back, because I know the original Jurassic Park, I was just getting the day of the came out in 1993.
Now, that's almost, almost, almost, what I'm saying. Two long course. My mother is in the shop. Isn't the shop as yours?
And I'm not ashamed to get my calculator out. And 28 years ago. Yes. So when you think back, the film that they made, and again, I watched it quite recently.
And there's no bad CGI shots in it. None whatsoever. I think before we get into this, I should really do me disclaimer. You guys have had an imprint of me.
So before we got, no, it's fine. Before we got any further this week's episode, I do just want to make it very clear that the opinions that we have are on. And I was alone. And if you disagree, or you don't like seeing it, or you want to add something to the mix, let's have a chat.
Get on the Facebook, get on the comments. But please don't jump on there and tell us that our opinions are wrong. We'd all agree to disagree. And we just want to keep the fandom.
No, we want to keep, I always get this wrong. We want to keep talks. It's just out of the pandems. There you go.
Disclaimer done. Yes. It was a good job. It's not a argument.
That's always been a plus. It's been a plus. I do know what was drastic. You're never going to get an argument.
I'm going to be there's none whatsoever. I can hand on hearts there. Each one of these films, even the third one, I used to absolutely love. And then it's only been my most recent watch.
I just thought it's just not as good as the first and second. And I will get into my love of the second one, because I've only just recently discovered it. But yeah, it just doesn't hold up. But it's not bad.
Yeah, I think that my main problem with it, again, it's nothing to do with the filmmakers, what they're trying to do. To all the same story, we'll try to use a different dinosaur. And the dinosaur wasn't as scary. And it wasn't as interesting, shall we say.
But we'll come to that, because I could say that's why I wanted to discuss about all the animals and stuff, because there were so many different key points. But for the first Jurassic Park, when you look back, what they did and the cast. Now, for a cast for a film, I know it's a Spielberg film. The cast was absolutely spot on.
Everyone was cast to perfection, like San Niel, Laura Dern, and Mears to Jeff Goldblum, which you never thought, which I'm not afraid to say, it was a bit of a heart-robin that film. Which you never really think of him as a heart-robin. Like I said, as a sex symbol. What was he saying?
No, you might not. You might not. I saw the fly in a very different way. He is an absolute, he is a god.
That man is a god. But his character, not just through the first, second and third, but the new ones as well, is always fucking right. He was right the whole time. And every time he had an unfortunate, we always go, anyhow, right.
What was he saying? Was he a mathematician? Was that? Yeah, so he looked at things in a logical, mathematical, that's how undiscraded to it, because I didn't quite understand what his job was.
But he was all the way with like, problems, problems, problems with maths and stuff like that. You can correct it in the comments if I'm wrong. That's how I understood it. Dr Ian Malcolm just was the boy, do you know what, screw your job title?
He was the voice of a reason. But he had the best line in it as well. Like I say, life finds a way. And that is so prominent through all, like I say, the drastic platforms.
Like I say, it's so simple, but well-put. Well, the best line throughout the whole film is done by the gatekeeper, can't think of what his name is, but he is dead. And they go, there's my, there's my he is dead for now. And, oh, sorry, he is dead.
And no, where he is, clever girl. Yeah. Just, oh, it's a poor inshuker. He has two events.
Oh, and clever girl. And they're just, I love it. The noise depends on what answer to us, because he'll see it in a way that really grinds me gears. Like clever girl, a well done girl.
I'm sure a punchy is there. But the, I can't think of the actor's name. It's my shot. Well, peck with it.
Yeah, he died short of the after-trusted part as well. Not sure. It wasn't long afterwards. Well, as we have just talked more vividly wise, we'll just take it a little step further.
We'll talk about Dodson, shall we? Do you know about Dodson? No, I don't. You don't know about Dodson?
No, tell us a story. Oh my God, the guy who played Dodson is in jail. I think it's like, he's a sex offender? Or he's a murder someone?
Yeah, yeah, he's in prison. He is a bad man. I'm going to have it. I thought you made him no one.
No, don't have really have a list of sex offenders. You're going to get a video of him. Um, well Dodson, that's it. Look, Lewis Dodson.
He is a, um, uh, a bit, uh, oh my God, Cameron, yeah, he's a convicted sex offender. All right. And he was arrested and sentenced in 2016 for the assault for a 13-year-old girl. He's a bad, bad man, but he, uh, that's the, that's the mob in the middle of the way.
Yeah, that's all. Yeah. Oh, well, that's it. So, I was just going to bring up as well.
Um, absolutely brilliant customer of rich in that, uh, in, in this sort of, I don't think it would have worked as well. If he didn't have someone with his style and grandeur to it as well. Yeah. And yeah, his, um, his overall, uh, his overall energy as well, like, he was, he was excitement and stuff.
Mm-hmm. Because anyone else in that role, that could have been really cheesy, really flapped or villainous as well. Yeah. Um, yeah.
And that's not him. He wasn't, he wasn't supportive. He's not a villain. He's just a dreamer and he had the money to make his dream come true.
Um, yeah, I think Richard hadn't written this was, and I love the fact that he's in the second one too. Even if it just repeats, he's still there. So there's still that connection. Uh-huh.
Um, I think you're right. I think anyone else could have all the done it. Like, too, the scenery, like, of big style. And he just had that lovely level of, because he, he, he, he squarishes me.
That's Scott Jackson, too, he has. Or am I making that up? I'm not sure. I don't.
Uh-huh. Yeah. It sounds like sometimes, but I can't just act with people. I think that was probably one of my, like, I've got very little gripes with Jesse Park.
To me, it's the almost perfect film. But the only thing I'd say that I've ever, like, went to a few times, like, I'll mention them. The accents in the film. Just one noticeable, like, some nails goes from using into America and all the way through, uh, keeps switching, which, uh, did, did get my turns.
Right. I never noticed it. And never noticed it until I watched the movies that made us. Yeah.
And that's when I noticed it. And I'm like, oh my God, they've just ruined it for us. That's, um, and the other great I had with the first Jurassic Park is the T-Rex pen. When the T-Rex has fed the gorts and the walls level, and you see the gorts on the level, and the T-Rex eats the gorts, and I think then all of a sudden, the wires wore, and the T-Rex throws a car over this clefetch.
There's that way that the T-Rex just stepped over there, and now it's this massive drop, which wasn't there before. And if there was a massive drop there, how can the people see the dinosaur? I just ruined that for as good, but never noticed that either. I don't know what's an action part of the film, but that's one thing that never really, I could get, I've never really been able to explain.
Because as you see, when you, when you're laid up, you see the T-Rex, like, on level, and you see him breaking down the fence, then you see the part, the T-Rex has just broken down, and he's still on the car over, and now there's this massive drop with a tree. Did the T-Rex climb the tree to get out? So... Okay, good.
Oh my God. And we've ignored it. That was a bit, I was a bit, I was a bit too close. Do you know what I pay attention to?
The detail. Yeah. Now, I knew this before I watched the films and the movies that made us, and I knew the T-Rex that you see in that scene is real, is obviously, it's just real. They had a full skill, they had a full skill, a replica of the T-Rex, obviously they had parts that were taken off to the head, and in the movies that made us, they showed you what was used when with the T-Rex, and that's what I'm looking for.
I'm looking at the which one... Which one's the same, which one's the real one? Yes. And do you know what?
You can't, you cannot tell. I just, I always remember reading, because I love reading, like, stuff about what happens on movie sets. Yeah. And this one particularly, because I do like, anything you can do with animatronics and puppetry to be used in movies.
And it was seeing how the custom crew would be having their dinner, like having their lunch break on tables, where there's massive T-Rex standing behind them. And because they were shooting when it was a rain and scene, they'd be water that would get into the animatronic and just restart its program. So it would start swishing its head about and, you know, going into the program that was set up in it for that scene. And I was like, it might not mean anything to anything to anyone else, but stuff like that just like excites my brain.
Like, I love it. I get so interested in stuff like that. And I think you told us about that story before. I love telling it.
I just, I want people's mind to be blown as much as mine is. And the reaction I get from, like, I remember telling me, my entry just was like, okay. Do, do, do the total mapping, not really bother dinosaurs yet. And again, just coming back to the channel, how the build of the film works for me.
And I think this is a big thing of why I love the film as well. It's such a slow burner that don't just chuck everything in straight away. Like they even made a story part where they're going through the park. And all the dinosaurs are like hidden or not coming out of the play and not being shown.
And I say Jeff Goldham's character makes a joke about it. And you do actually have dinosaurs in the park. And you fail the frustration as well. And because it's like, it's like, a genius.
So this type of thing is like, I'm going to show you a little bit. And these are going to want more. And I'm not going to give you more till the point when you're about to explore. And then we'll give you everything that you've made it.
And it does it perfectly and the build up for this film. Even like, say, the dinosaurs that chose, I know they could have picked any type of dinosaurs and like overwhelmed you. But they're quite picky with them. That's really clever with what the show is to show you.
The triceratops, they're picking in totally real. Like, not really. I don't know. I felt like I said, you could, especially when you're seeing a breven on these line on it.
And then they went to like the dome cave as well. Yeah. When you watch, I urge anyone to go watch the movies and videos. It was so interesting, the aspects of what actually went into this.
Like, they wanted to do this movie in stop motion. That's how they wanted the dinosaurs to become an at you and stop motion. If you remember stop motion, it is very. Yes, I know.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, movement of an animate object that is like just being moved by a heart. That's what there will be in that. And these two pioneers who work at North Carolina, who know what's a Lucas film, CGI.
I did see the name of it. And it's massive within the industry. And they took a risk and because they're boss was saying, this is where we're going and this is what we're doing. And they were like, listen, we can build something from a computer.
We can create this to make it look better. And they're created as skeletons, just the skeleton of a T-Rex, but in CGI. And they made it run it now. And not 2021, that sounds ridiculous.
But as easy as anything. Like, I think my nephews could go on and they'd fall and do something like that. But in the late 80s, early 90s, this is not heard of. And they did it.
It's such great time. And by coupling Kennedy, the executive producer, who got the box in and is being shown to stop motion stuff that they are going to be using and sees on a monitor to decide for this board T-Rex moving and exciting that. And that's how we have, because they built on the technology that they created from that board T-Rex and just walk on with it. And this is what you have to do off the back of just defying their boss.
Like, that's what they do. Just going out there, but again, I'm like I said, amazed that as I said at the time got to do what they did as well. Because it's absolutely breathtaking. As I said, with the dinosaurs, I was there going, is that CGI, is that animatronics?
Because it's so well done. Even like the elements and for, I know it's like a family film. This film as well was scary. Then wrapped it up.
Oh, perfect. Some of the best horror monsters I would say since Alien. Just because the movement saw a lifelike and unhunting patterns when they were experiencing how the goal of evidence makes a Sam Nails character at the beginning going down to a girl, getting the claw and running across a stomach. It gives you a boy.
So there's another boy. That was a little boy. Very comfortable, boy. You have beautiful eyes for a lot of people.
I remember, but I'm sure it was a little boy. Yeah. It was a little small thing, shall we say? But it was a child.
But yes, even the element makes it, it was like horror movie, Esque and the whole building saying like, Sam Nail Jackson doing Sam Nail Jackson getting eaten and zum. I completely forget that he is in this, you know, like that's Samuel L. Jackson. That's like, he's a massive name.
And I totally forget that he's in this because, you know, the main star of the show is the T-Rex. Yeah. I'm sorry, but he is the main star. He is the French and foremost of this movie, because he's the hero.
Yeah. Which I totally forgot. He was in that for a second. Wow.
But thanks, yeah. There is so, as I was doing, like, quite big horror fans ourselves. There are a lot of horror elements to this and done in a way that it's done well, which not many, like films in this type of thing could overdo it or an or in the later films, like the last world and just part three, become more action-packed rather than like, Yeah, that's agreeable. Yeah.
horror. It felt more like a roller coaster ride. And even though it's a park, that's how I would describe this one. Well, this one's, it's tense.
You want them to do well. And even to the point where the end saw down in the back, in the home base and the Raptors have stopped and then like, say, trying to do the kind to get away from, and as the Raptors will learn, even though it's not in the open doors, it's just so well done and it's like, say, I've got goosebumps. You've talked about this. You know, I generally have like goosebumps worn off my arm because you're absolutely right.
Like the tension in that league. Like the tension throughout the whole thing, like you are, you've been told at the very beginning, you are going to, I'm from the ark, you are going to, and you are going to see a park of dinosaurs. And in your mind, your little mind, when you're a child, you're like, what does that mean? And then you see these almost real life creatures in front of you and then having to, you learn about them as you go on, like you said, Samuel explains the techniques of their hunting abilities.
And you're seeing that play out and you're like, I know what they're going to do because I've already been told that this is absolutely terrifying. But the end bit, when they figured out that door, that like, even to day, even to day, nearly at 40 years old, I sit there and like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But I think I might reference the movies that made us a lot because I have only recently watched it. And I thought that's part of what was so interesting.
So the way I'm talking about it, and Spielberg, so when somebody ever seen was that, obviously there's a lot of CGI views, because once they figured out that technology, they just ran with it. And when they were acting and there was nothing there to act with, they had nothing to react to. So Steven Spielberg being the amazing director that he is, created the noises for the dinosaurs. So when you see them reacting to something, they react to Steven Spielberg going, in the corner.
And he directed not only this, but Schindler's list at the same time, two very separate movies. One that is probably the most emotionally-adriant in movie he would have ever done, on an emotional level in his life. And probably one of the most epic, because it is unreal. And then doing these absolute extra-rabbit gonsa of a spectacular dinosaur movie.
It must have been having the time of his life when Jurassic Marvel. I could just imagine just being maybe there as I would be like a 10 year old child, just like wanting to get amongst it and play it. And again, I don't know too much about Spielberg's personality for what he's like, because not only people do discuss what he's like in real life. No, you've never hit the game.
Thank God you've never heard any horror stories about him. He comes across as a very nice person. Yeah, he's got an imagination about him. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I think he'll go down as one of the best storytellers of our lifetime, shall we say? Because I know a lot of directors, they say I'll pull me hands up. I'll have anything in the eighties in Spielberg did his best work in the eighties with a lot of his films. But I think as a storyteller, he's grown.
And some of the things he's doing later as well, as he's more mature and stuff. But he's always good at spinning the yarn and taking you on that journey. And Jurassic Park, it could have been just a monster mash where it could have been a B movie. That's better I can describe.
I hope you laugh when you hear that back. How you said Jurassic Park there. You're a Jurassic Park. I can really handle this gig.
I didn't want you to see it laughing when you're watching back. Sorry. I'll pick on you later. It's OK.
I've got plenty to choose from. What was I going to see about Spielberg? Yeah, the storytelling aspect of this, Jurassic Park, is not just the storytelling but the scientific background behind this. It's quite, I used to correct this if I'm wrong here, but I'm sure it is actually quite spot on.
I think the title is behind it. I think as a time came out, I was announced just before or a few years before that they'd find the only in. In the Mosseos, I can say in the way that they described, I don't know if there was BSE enough to do to the level of creating dinosaurs. I don't think that's possible.
But I think that did catch announced. I remember reading it as a kid thing a while but when I have clawed dinosaurs, but the whole aspect of it as well, I don't know if I'm getting confused with that end scene but not quite the end scene because I don't know if they're going to find it. I have to say the birds flying off. But the scene where the time to run is up to T-Rex wins and roars and the banner falls and stuff is so amazing.
As a kid, I got T-Rex as well. I just blew my little head and said that T-Rex that he thought was the big bad. She saved them. He was the hero.
And this film made me say the word T-Rex as well. I always know it as power and a source Rex. So whenever you use the color T-Rex as a kid, it was a little jassy car. So the references were now.
He used to be one of my recurring nightmares as a kid, you know. He was being chased by a T-Rex and trying to hide from it. And he used to be one of my recurring nightmares. And then when I got a little bit like the only way I got around it was by a little bit of the size of his arms.
I just thought this is my own hand. My own hand. And it really changed everything to where I stopped having these nightmares because that's the head size alone and the size of them teeth. It used to really freak me out.
He was the hero. And you are in your head. Even watching it as a kid watching it now, you are still in your head called, yeah, you got them. You see the pesky wrappers.
Yeah, which again, just as a mere storyteller. Like you don't expect it. And when it happens, it's just probably done. I'm sure they said on the movie that made it that he was not intentionally a hero.
And the shot of the end was changed to the one that you see now to make it a hero's gesture. Because it wasn't going to go down that way. I think he was really, I think he was going to walk off. And I don't know, but they did change the end scene to make it is that heroic and that raw as well.
Like, I'm sort of like, bitches. Life finds it weird. But yeah, that was, as I said, almost the perfect film for me, I guess the Jurassic Park was clever. It wheels you in, how few twists and turns.
And the second one is a bit more straightforward. I believe when I've watched the back, it I didn't appreciate it at the time. Because when I watched it, I wanted more, well, I just wanted to call it the copy of the first one. And it did try and be a bit more different with this one.
This one, I know you had the King Kong feel with the gates. Well, this one felt more like King Kong movie, if that makes sense. Yeah, it made sense. And the ticket back to Xamen land.
That was the same. Like, that had to be the King Kong element, but also, as I said before, it felt like a theme park ride when you're watching the film. Because initially you get the, that's why I think it's a little bit weaker. Because it doesn't build.
It's straight in. You see, they get an island. You see these little dinosaurs attack the little girl. And I can say my wife, Nicole, is favorite little dinosaurs.
I can't, I don't know what they're called again, a color minus system. Little things like, yeah, she loves them once. But then straight in, straight in, straight in the island with it when it meets Sarah, Julia Moore's character. And it's attacked by the second sources.
Then you see the other dinosaurs to do the big breakouts and then they get attacked by the t-rex. It seems to be only having one gear. It's like, doesn't kind of build. It's like, on fast all the through.
And it kind of gets a little bit exhausted. I kind of have to disagree with you. In the kindest way of possible. Yeah, that's fine.
I remember watching this on, it was a, it was a Saturday movie night in, when I lived on the street from just two seconds away from here. Saturday night. And I just remember it being so boring that we just had to bring the piss out of it. The four of us, we mum died, and it's just ribbon the piss out of it.
And just, and that's, that's the memory I had was it was shitting. It was boring. It wasn't the first one, you know, because that's what we wanted. We kind of wanted it.
If we're all we wanted, we wanted to carve, we got the first one and we didn't get that. And then me and I went through, not long ago, we sat and watched the first one. And actually we watched the first one of the new one. And we were like, do you know what?
Let's just go back. Let's go back and watch the first, second and third one. And then we'll watch the second one when I'm ready. Because I'm not ready to watch it again.
And we obviously watched the first one. It's a masterpiece. I know you say it's almost perfect. I didn't, I didn't notice any of the imperfections until now.
So it is the perfect movie. It is the perfect movie. It is from start to finish. You are just in it.
You are loving it. And you know, you don't want it to end. Then we watched the second one. And I was so skeptical about it.
I was like, I'm not, I'm not bothered. I'll watch it because we said we were going to watch the first segment. And Paul has totally gone away. It had a predator feel to it.
I love predator. And I would go off so far to say that I have some massive love for predator. And it just had that feel of it, of like these, like, Pete's pothle weight. And he was, I was like, yeah.
Another dead person for you there. Yeah, I was not bringing him up because I had either saw one. Either saw one. And he's dead.
But no, he's like, it had that predator feel to it. You are right. It totally can count, can count, can count, can count vibes. And I just, I love the fact that everything Ian has said in the past.
And when we're seeing right then, we call true. It was action-cut. It was adventurous. It had, it just, I loved every second of it.
I just remember finishing on. Wow. Yeah. I have no words, but wow.
It is, I loved every minute of it. See, I think, again, not the disc, because I say I do really enjoy this film. Again, it's not one of my favorites, but it's, I feel I would go back to and I do enjoy. But I think we've got the cast in slightly wrong on this one, because I didn't care as much as I did in previous ones.
Like, I know, didn't fall and I can take them and leave them in certain things, but I don't think you fit the role very well as the, actually, the peacekeeper, the activist who, like, photographer, Julian Moore, then brilliant actress, but I didn't quite buy her in this. Is she though, like, I actually get what you mean, I don't find her that great, and it's probably because she left a bad taste in my mouth when I'm playing Clarisse Staunan. Oh, I thought you should, I'm going to put up some of the Clarisse, and you're going to have a good one. But then she left a bad taste then.
I didn't think she was great in the biggabowski. So that's what I'm basing it off, but I don't think, for me, is not a great actress, and they could have gotten anyone to play it that part. Yeah. That's one thing, again, interesting people in it was, again, Jeff Goldham's character who he could put me in anything, and he would be a good actor in anything.
It's just recently, yeah. It's just blue as the way in Thor Ragnarok and a role that I never expected to see in the Marvel universe. And again, he was absolutely brilliant in that. But pick up, possibly again, when you say I'm his character was really interesting, and he was kind of shortchanged a little bit as well.
I wanted to say more, I wanted to get in the depth of that. That, again, I wanted to say I'm like, face off against the T-Rex and get his commandments, because he doesn't quite get, yeah, he doesn't quite get, what he deserves. And again, that annoyed us about the film. It's kind of, as I said, I described it as a theme part, right?
I would probably more describe it as a computer game as well. It's like, each bath was different levels. So you go past the first level of the Sega sources, the second level was the camp, third level, the rock d'zones. And so, you know, the third level was the T-Rex attacks, then the rock d'zone, then back to the Skaven with the T-Rex going rampant in San Diego, is it?
Or San Diego, isn't it? Yeah, like so. But again, this element didn't really sit well, like how the T-Rex was locked away again, but suddenly it had everyone, how did that work? I don't know.
But again, that was on the boat. When it came in, it was back in his little cage, but then it was just an arm that was pressing the button. But how did that work? I was just totally surprised by it, because I had such an idea in my head of what I thought I was going to be watching.
And it was just a complete opposite. And it really was like, this is like, I watched that when it first came out, and then watched again a couple of them at the boat. That was like, the only time I'd watched it after the first. And I just got a massive shot.
I just thought for the time, and it's a sequel. It's a second. And you're coming off the back of that first one? I don't, I'm not saying it held.
It was a very brief effort. Yeah, it was a very brief effort. And to change the format as much as it did. To me, it's still a little too far away from it.
Or I didn't... Maybe I was just enthralled in the story and the adventure side of it, like the wellbeing and the jungle together and that. And I was born away by it. I really enjoyed it.
I just couldn't, I didn't know I couldn't get the smile off the base. At the end of it, I was like, I've held off watching this for how long? Yeah, I enjoyed it more when I was like, as I said, watching it back now, than I did when I was watching I've thrust back when it first came out. Because as I said, you wanted Jurassic Park, but armed up, but this was more of a, like I said, a different type of tail.
But it wasn't as atmospheric, shall we say? It was like, could guess what was going to happen? There was no big twists. So did you know the boat was going to come in?
You knew everyone was going to be dead and the time it was out. But they didn't even use the key things that was done so well in the first. Like the little glass of water. I know we haven't mentioned that, but the little glass of water wobbling with the footprints.
That was so impactful back then. And them type of elements made it more. Yeah. The glasses more.
And again, I'm a big believer in your imagination, fills in more blanks that you don't see, especially with these type of films. So you kind of, you want to see it, but then you want to think, oh, what's going to happen? Like I'm keeping an analogy, you don't want to know my black story to know why he's a killer. You want to make an open thing of it yourself and whatever you think of can be more scary.
But a lot of films go down the route and kind of lose the element. But yeah, because sometimes it's over-explaining. I can understand back story and I feel that you progress the character you need a back story. But there's no need to overdo it and over-complicate it and over-analysis it a bit.
And I can't talk properly. But I get what you mean. Sometimes the scariest element is what's in your head already, but I am not bothered about the slight back story. Yeah.
Not to the extent of what Rob Zombie did what Michael Life has been. Oh, yeah. You know. I'm not going to laugh.
I'll get angry. So. I just think that character progression and story progression can do with a bit of back story, but not to the extent of over-complicating it. Again, that's a good thing.
No, but again, it did have the elements where you thought, great, this is doing really well. This is taking all the boxes. But again, take a few of the elements out. You didn't need to have wrappers in this one.
We've had the wrappers. No, you didn't. You didn't do right. You didn't.
And then, like, add them the way they did. It kind of took away of how scary and how brilliant they were in the first film. So. No, you're right.
But if you wanted to still with the T-Rexes and get the T-Rex back to America, and show them, do that, tell that story. I'm happy with that. But it's kind of like adding too much at the same time, where that's why I felt like it was an exhausting film because it's always, when it turned the dial up to 10, or 11, shall we say, if we want to go a very famous rock band. And all that reference.
I feel like I've got the regular. Let's get that reference. Get that reference. But yeah, I didn't, because I'd say I prefer the films, like, say the core, two, four, six, then maybe go to EF and back down to six.
Well, this one just went right, fully up on the core. And it didn't give you the chance to kind of breathe or calm down, because you were always on edge. But again. That's a sign of a good action film, lower for me.
So maybe it's more, it took more into the action side of it than it did the actual the storytelling of the best one. And I didn't realize until a couple of years ago that I love action. You can't be good. If it don't, well, action films are probably one of the best storytelling, like I said, and it's in films to be.
And all we discussed before is actually one of the next up come in top five, so that will probably do will be top five action films, which again, I'm not going to spoil or let anything go, which my top five, I think it's going to be all 80 films. So don't worry. It wouldn't be an idiom, no podcast. If Paul's 80s, the love of the love of 80s came out of fall.
And I just, I generally didn't like, I went through a phase of just wanting to watch nothing but Arnie and the Sveces ones movies, because, you know, my viewing list of movies is absolutely horrendous. And now the Facebook group knows, because thank you, everyone, by the way, for giving me your suggestions for my Sunday movie day, because it's my day of freedom and doing absolutely nothing. Bless somebody, they put a list on and I'm like, I'm bad, but I'm not that bad, because their first one was Silence of the Lounds. And I went through this phase of wanting to catch up with all these action films, I never watched RONO.
And that's what it felt like watching Jurassic Park too, was that excitement and that go, go, go, go. And so it had, it probably, I was probably taken in by the action of it, then actually what everything else I should have been paying attention to. And I'm fine with that. If that's what I took away from it, then that great.
That's why I enjoy it, then I'm fine with it. I'm always happy with some, if you get that type of enjoyment. But I think, the Mr. Trick, as you said, it's an action film where it should have been in a horror.
That's why the first one done well, because you used horror elements suddenly. And if you're doing a monster film with giant, what, dinosaurs? Make it scary. That's the main thing.
Yeah, you're right. You're right. I've noticed the more we talk, the more red my face is getting. And it's not because, you know what it is, it's because I've been outside all day.
Oh, you call this one. And I don't, I am definitely not hot. But it's like my face reacts to fresh air weirdly and I think like, and it just keeps catching me. I'm like, well, you're so red.
It's not me getting heated through this. It's literally because I have been outside today. Don't worry. Sounds just kind of exciting.
Don't go dinosaurs. That's all it is. I love talking about dinosaurs. I love the fact that we have this as a reference.
I know that sounds ridiculous. But we don't, when it comes to the dinosaur era, like we have drones and cartoons and I've got all the cartoon, the land before time. We have that. Oh, it's already a film that's not made of crime.
No, it's heartbreaking. Not ever watches. Shoxel from Bigfoot. That's a little thought.
Whenever we see the Triceratops in Jazzy Park, I always call us era. I will never watch it again. It broke. Like I have never felt pain like it when I watched that.
There's even a song on there by Diana Ross. Won't listen to it at all. At all. The movie breaks my heart.
The fact that it's something that I used to watch with my grandad breaks my heart. The game-making grandad was so influential in my movie experience as a kid. And you will, throughout this podcast, you will hear that I watched it with him or he introduced me to it. I've totally lost the point of what I was getting at now.
That's fine, Dore. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. We've got to move it on from that point then.
Let's talk about the third one. Everyone was the Missus the third one and said it's the worst one. I disagree. No, I totally disagree too.
I remember going to see this in a minute. I really enjoyed it. But when I re-watched it again a couple of months ago, I was like, that's really weak. I think it's that short.
I felt short. That's the way I described it. Where the second one gave us too much. I don't think this one gave us enough.
Yeah, I agree. There's the story telling too. It's obviously about Sami-Ling, which is brilliant, like great. I love the fact that we get to see what his character is.
Whoa. Grant. Grant. Grant?
What's he doing? I've got his name now. First name now, it was called Grant. It was called Grant's.
It was called Grant's. Grant's. We got the grant. We got the grant.
So I love the fact that he's in it. The guy who steals the eggs, I just want to punch him in the face. Yeah. Télioni, I just want to, when she's shouting, and she's been talking not to, I just want her to be eaten.
Do you know what lesson are you going to learn? Just shut the fuck up and be eaten by a dinosaur. That's what I'm saying. Pushing him.
Yeah. Pushing him. We're eating him. William, he's a great actor.
But he just, it was just a bit underwhelmed. I think that whole thing, I was just... Yeah, I think this was a more like a Jurassic Park sequel, shall we say, like a film compared to the second one. I know all of this all about dinosaurs, but this felt like more Jurassic Park than the second one for me.
But the only thing, I think the biggest mistake of me had to change the dinosaur and the trilopo differently. The big bottom, this one was the dinosaurs, which... Yeah, and I kept calling it a stegosaurus, and it really was annoying, and... But again, that makes it with a long bill.
I didn't have the medicine aspect, like with the T-Rex. T-Rex, again, we've always been taught that the T-Rex is not the scariest dinosaur. I know... He's the jungle man.
I don't know if the walk around the jungle, he is the king of it. He is massive. And that, his size alone is the scariest thing about him. Because he's teeth are huge.
But yeah, that was the only thing I think kind of... Well, not the only thing, but that's the biggest thing that taught me a while to get over. It was the fact that I used some unknown dinosaur. I know it's a real dinosaur, but it wasn't well known.
They tried to be too clever with it in that aspect. Yeah, that's exactly what I was just going to say, we're just trying to be clever. Like, look at this, we found a dinosaur that used it on all that we know about it together. I don't think they've brought the plexidotere ductals in the room.
That was interesting. I like that part of it as well. That freaks us out of it. Because I have two feet as one of those.
And birds. It's not the bird I'm scared of, and it's the wings. I don't do wings and I don't do flapping. My whole body is like shaking now because think about it.
I absolutely hate it. So seeing that wingspan and that noise all over the floor makes a soft thing about it. That's it. I don't like it.
No, I completely did have a creepy element to it as well. Thanks, I think by the time that I've come out and lost a bit of its charm, like the CGI, it's been all be used in a lot of different films as well. So we've gotten kind of used to them type of elements or with soils. I think that'll be the best way to describe them.