I can't read all the time. I love you. I know. I can go slow ahead.
Come on down and jump some of this shit. I was just scaring, Nilly. Scaring. Uh-huh.
Hell of this. This is a brody. We came. We thought we kicked it down.
Fatal juice. Fatal juice. Fatal juice. Fatal juice.
It's your dad. Hello. Hello nerds. Yes, this is me.
Paul, given a message to everyone who is watching right now. And a few surprises, I guess, for people who were part of this episode, who didn't think I would be part of it. No, no, no. I could not abide by me not being on a podcast.
Um, well, yes. Just want to say a big thank you to Jay, Graham, Sammy, Jessica, and fucking Horboli. Um, well, doing this episode without me, um, yeah, I was, it's my win anniversary, so I had a miss out. But I thought I'd leave a little Easter egg, a little surprise and say, this is my favorite Batman movie, so I'm very good.
I went, I'm not involved in talking about Johnny DeVito, as the Penguin. Michelle Fiver is iconic as Catwoman. And I bet Jessica looks amazing. Like, say, when you say you're a cocks, like, Jessica's, like, done a little something for you.
So, um, hope you still enjoy that. Um, oh, yes. I am like, thanks all the fun call that we have such a great team that everything goes ahead as planned, even without me. I am becoming not needed, which is great for me.
So I'm always going to talk about more often. Oh, yes. So hope you enjoyed the episode. It is going to be a fun one.
Let's see who Graham upsets and goes off in weird tangents. I'm looking forward to watch along. So everyone who, um, who's watching back at the next, like me. Bye.
Um, say hello to everyone. Bye. I'm alive. Well, I'm everyone and welcome to the Nadiup.
Not podcast. It's a Nadi podcast that is hosted by Northern nerds. I am one of your horse. Some.
And I'm the other host, Jake. This time, Paul's away on assignment at the moment. Uh, hopefully having a nice, with the anniversary. Hi, Paul.
Hi, Paul. We know he's going to listen to this immediately as soon as we send them over. Absolutely. But I'm joined as Paul would say by a company of nerds.
We have Jessica, you know, excellent, excellent outfit showing us all up once again. I was getting excited and waving that. I'm like, I get that. We've got the whole man, the whole myth and the whole legend.
Please. Hi. Hi, everyone. And of course we have on assignment from the land of sci-fi, uh, science office and always who's, uh, decided to come and slum it with us and watch some, you know, comic book movies, you kid stuff, you balls, you balls, and I be back onto the main podcast.
I can't take it seriously. I've literally at the bottom of my screen. I've got Jessica looking like amazing in like an outfit that. None of us could pull off.
Like, literally. No. This idea took me like just with the only one and all the way we could do that. And then, uh, and then like Lee just.
Looking like a Lee. Desperately trying to finish his like, vape before he started. So his room has been gradually getting more smokey over the last like five minutes while we've been talking. That's just some Tim Burton, you know, like, set dressing.
Yeah. I'm waiting for your mom to knock on the door, Lee, and you try to hide the evidence or something. I'm like, oh, no, no, no. I'm literally looked at his door.
I was like, I was like, I was like, why would we, man? He's coming. He's coming. He's coming.
Well tonight we're all joined together because we're going to do, we're going to talk about, which I think is probably one of the best Batman films, Batman Returns. Yeah. I'd say it's up there. Like, there's only the most recent one I would put around then.
But yeah. I think for Batman, it's basically like, depending on what you want out of Batman, your favorite changes, like it's not, it's very rare that it's like, that's a bad Batman movie. It's usually that's aiming for a different thing. Like, you know, people love the Batman and like, you know, and then people love like some of the Tim Burton Batman's even though they're not really that accurate to the main law.
Yeah. People who genuinely love stuff like Batman and Robin because it's absolute camp trash. I mean, it's just like, you know, but that thing, I can't say it's a bad movie because it's like brilliant at what it does. But it's like, this is really stupid, you know, and this isn't Tim Burton at all.
So it's, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
I keep hearing some weird noises. I mean, how's this like, this being like, voices like coming from behind us for a while talking about ghost girls and big boobs and stuff and, and, and, oh no, it's back. It's back. Oh no, it's going to get us.
Oh no, oh god. No. Oh god. Hello, it's me, Paul, the leader of the U of North.
I've entered Lee's body for the night and I'm here to talk about Batman Returns. See, just kind of have a podcast without them. Can't believe you hear? Well, I got, I need to, I need to, Lee Paul, Lee Paul.
I don't know. Paul, I need to see both your hands so you're not inviting like big tittied golf girls on again. No, no. Okay.
Keep them to me Instagram. That's it. Not liking those videos Paul. Well, I'll get the disclaimer out of the way.
I'll crack on with this. It's too late. I've said fix it to go for a bill. I'm just trying to get in there before you say something else.
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So let's keep it fun, keep it kind, and keep it toxic behavior out of a nerdism. You're fucking. Can't feel like a third wheel here now, like a third call. How long are you going to stick around for, Pauline?
Well, we'll see. I'll stick around for a little bit. I'm like popping it out, but I'm going to make sure that I'm definitely back when legal's to bed and getting in with Bix so that I can take over. Wow.
No, I don't. What is going on with Pauline right now? Is it Pauline or is it Pauline? Is it Pauline?
Pauline. Pauline. Pauline. Pauline.
Please don't stick with Pauline. Pauline. Pauline. Right.
Get your old back on subject. I have the taglines for Batman Returns. Now, the previous Batman movie that me and Jake did last year, had a very, was such a really good one, but I feel like this one might actually top it. OK.
Ready? Yeah. From the rooftops of Gotham, the perfect enemy comes to life. And only one can save the city.
It's a creature of the night. OK, kind of big. I just like it's a bit long, isn't it? It's really, it's in the 90s they did have long taglines, but then they got the penguin.
The bat, the cat, the penguin. Yeah. Yeah, you know, cat, the bird or something. Maybe.
But the best one and really straight to the point is Returns, June 18. OK. Batman Returns, Returns again. You're 18.
That's done by a person in marketing who only eats bread and cheese or something. They're like, no, no nonsense, no. All I need. That is it.
Right. I remember the poster for this though that had all the heads stacked up on top of each other. It's quite interesting because normally, like, movie posters tend to do like a pyramid of people. But like, this was just like a straight stack with Danny DeVito and Michelle Feiffer.
It was really good though that they did the film this way, because obviously the first one, they just had the Joker. I mean, it does have Harvey Dent in it, but he's not a villain. But in this one, it was the fact of they went, oh, people love villains. OK.
And then they pushed all the marketing for the fact of, hey, we've got Catwoman A, we've got the penguin and stuff. It was. It was so bad. But every about me, the stuff stuck to that, it's like a two villain movie.
We're also going to split between two halves of the story. He's never just won. It's the duality between the two sides of what you're tackling. And it was always difficult because the problem is it felt like sometimes they were like trying to do two villains and you're like, there's not enough time or like another one, like where they tried to do three villains.
You're like, but nobody gets to do anything. Like, this one is like perfect. Like we get to see the penguin. We get enough backstory on him.
We get enough backstory on Catwoman and Selena Kyle. And you know, I think at the cost of we don't really get much about Bruce Wayne, but who gives a shit about him? Yeah. Well, I think Bruce Wayne's been covered in over the years and.
But I had enough in the first one, I guess. In the first one, it goes more into who Bruce Wayne is. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna fucking cat one. Well, this isn't this wasn't meant to be.
Oh, sorry. It was originally meant to be a direct sequel. So at the time when the first one finished, and Burton and Keaton hadn't signed up at anything else. That was it.
It was just a one and done for them. And then the studios came in and said, we want to do a second one. And Tim Burton to his fucking credit was like, I will do it under my terms, under my conditions. The script will be mine.
The script I have complete control over everything. And Michael Keaton, if he returns, will get his shit ton of money. And Keaton was like, how much money are we talking? And he went 11 million.
And he went, they'll never give us 11 million. And he went, here is your 11 million. And because the studios were so desperate to have him back, have this jubil back because of how well the first one is gone. And what Keaton didn't want a lot of dialogue.
All right. So that could help with a couple of men and penguin getting their characters more established as well. Because it's only two characters rather than half an hour, thirteen. Yeah.
Like what's a dialogue? What you have to make in Keaton does do, it's pretty good, though, because like you get like a lot of range out of his Bruce Wayne. He's even like a little flustered by Selena Kyle being like, like when she kind of like when she comes back the first time. That's it.
You're seeing it. It's like 90% is the suit. So you didn't have to see anything. You just stand there and be butt man.
And it works. It does. And I didn't realize how much of a pout Michael Keaton has. And so last night when I was rewatching it, I was like, he's normally pout like that does either.
It's not because the last like stretches your face like like pushes your face. When it was pushed back and then push it, he's lifted like, it's like me when I take a photo. The minute that camera hits me, pouch comes out. Thinking about Missile tote too much.
So the said that it wasn't it wasn't going to be originally the one that is a direct follower on, but then Tim Burton obviously got his own way. But there is some aspects of that still left in the script. Yeah, he talks about the E is X. Yeah, which I feel like we didn't really care about.
It's like at the time in the movie. He really is like my most hated Batman character because he's playing film. All she does is this. All the time I'm going to slide ahead at everything that happens.
And like that's the only acting range we have. Or is it that the part was basically a pretty woman? No, maybe Tim Burton's like sort of, you know, like Tarantino with feet. Maybe Tim Burton likes women with concussions or something.
He's just like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.
Does anyone remember the first viewing of this? I can remember a very early viewing of it. It would have definitely been on TV though, or like, you know, home video. I had the tape in my house.
That's why I've stared at the box enough to know what the boss looks like. But I can vividly remember like sitting watching this with like my granddad on like a sleepy Sunday afternoon, like type of thing, but like shy in a way from like the horrible time to be. It's like just like just not wanting to look at him really like these absolutely, as Alfred says, grotesque. It's really.
It's like it's super interesting to take on the penguin though, because this isn't what you normally get for penguin. I do love how to put the poster of like the comic book Penguin in there. Yeah, it's like a nod to it because Tim Burton hijacked it and went, yeah, I don't care what the law is. I don't care what the comic book is.
No, he has penguins working for him. He is part of it. And he does all the way. And they're like, no, it's a gimmick because he wears a suit and a top hat and they shut up.
Yeah. It's like a mob nickname that he's like, he claims obviously over time being like a psychopath. But yeah, like, can you remember your first watch in Sammy? It probably was when I first found Tim Burton in all honesty, because Batman didn't cross my path until I really think when I met Ant, and I watched Batman Begins for the first time.
And I think started my kind of love affair with the Batman. I see what's on the worst one. I really like Batman. It's like, no, no, no, it's me.
That's the outlier on that thing. But I just, I do remember watching it grown up because of obviously it was Tim Burton. It was pretty massive at the time as well. Yeah.
And this had toys like this had so many toys. I've got to look for the movies. Toymakers were struggling with stuff like the Penguin to come up with a toy. But it's like this is a 15.
It's got like a blood comment. I have his own. Because he uses the children. He couldn't use the image of Danny DeVito's Penguin, Pena refused to use the image.
So they use the original Penguin from the Adam West Batman to use. Yeah. You're already a machine. Fun fact, fun fact that that guy was actually originally cast to play his dad.
Yeah. Yes. You're right. OK.
But ill health stopped him from doing it. And that's when he went to his dad's, his dad's P. We Herman right? Paul Rubens and Diane Stigler who are from P.
He's a big adventure. And then two were kind of like little partners in crime. So and I love the fact that they use P. He's dad.
But I do like that. That's where the originally heading was to use him from the original Adam West one. Yeah. The merchant like that.
Like that's a big controversy. It's one of the biggest failures of its time because of the all the salt that the merchant was going to be in. There's going to be this kind of coffee. Yes.
I mean, it's got to be like, oh, we can't put in a Happy Meal anymore. What do you do? Well, it's not bad though. Because I remember when the first time I saw it was probably on TV.
But I remember back when they censored stuff. And I know for a fact that the bit where Shrek dies and you get to see his electrocuted corpse, that was not on the BBC. No, that was not an ITB. I think it was.
And it was like, that was like, so I didn't know he died. I see him he died because he gets electrocuted. All you see is Batman sort of, you know, looking through stuff. And then it's like, oh, no, it is worse than I remember.
Because like when I saw it this time, I was like, oh, holy crap, that's just like a charred corpse. But I think in my brain, I was like, it's like a skeleton. You know, like a cartoon, like a skeleton, like a home alone. Like, no, see, why wasn't that the Happy Meal toy?
That's what I was going to look like. Oh, my gosh, it reminds the Mario when she gets it. I was going around the mid-19s. Well, she did.
It was brutal. Did anyone have any of the toys that they can remember? Because obviously there was like the Batman figure, but I'm pretty sure, as Sammy said, some of them were just remolds of like the animated series, like toilet and stuff. Getting some like being in primary school and it's like, I was like, toy soft days.
You bring a toy and some of them I never had. I never participated in that. Leave them all the time. Can we take out the box?
No. It was like a little Batman. It was a Keaton Batman. I count the third was that I like scooted up for as a guy because I've watched the movie to get obsessed with it.
And I kick myself now because those toys were just got the charity shops. And I'm like, did you want to go to the college toys? For like, I think like Christmas 95ish. So like this was like a few years after the movie came out.
I got this Super Nintendo Batman Returns game, which is an exactly telling of the movie. It even has like the intro, like the penguin scene with like, you know, the dumping in the river and the same music and the baby crying is like the same sample. But also happy meal toy. The toy I had that clearly like sanded all the edges off was like I had this little racetrack thing and like you got a Batman car and you got the duck mobile like his tank is rubber duck thing.
And it was like a racetrack where you're supposed to like set them off at the same time and see who won. The penguins one was faster, I think, because it was a lot heavier. But like I feel like that's like, you ever picked the Batmobile in that situation? Is that just me?
I know back. Back see the duck thing. It looked so good, but there was no like horrible penguin man in it or anything. And it was like, yeah, they're having a fun race, like not like a death risk through the sewer, like it doesn't end with the Batmobile through the duck.
Lee, when did you first watch it? Because I'm intrigued by your answer. Oh, I honestly don't know. I definitely had it on VHS because I do remember the cover as well of the three heads that he was mentioning, but it probably would have been when like not long after it first came out, I guess.
I didn't realize you were a bit of a Batman fan to be honest. I love the films. I've read a few comics, but not enough to be a comic about man fan. I wouldn't say I'm like totally enamored by the comics.
Like I've read a bunch. Like I've read the ones that people tell you to read, you know, like all the sort of the heavy hit like graphic novel storylines, but it definitely seems like more of a fun like animation or movie thing for me where I much prefer like it in motion. Oh, don't get as wrong when I do get a good Batman run though. I do absolutely love it.
But I have a friend, Miller Faius and I hate Miller. Just because he's like just because of his like, you know, like world view, like that he puts in all of his stories. I mean, I find it I find it really difficult with Batman because obviously like everyone always does the whole Marvel versus DC and stuff and I just I'm not fussed about Batman. You know, I'm like, Oh, he's one of the what is it called the Justice League?
And I'm like, why are they got this random guy in the Justice League? And it's Batman, you know, all the way from a smartest random guy. But then you always have people being like, Oh, but he's the most powerful. And you're like, he's not.
You know, it's how it's well. But yeah, but it's it's that idea of just like, I love the Tim Burton Batman's and I love the animated series Batman's and they're not really Batman in the grand scheme of stuff. So you end up having loads of people who are like, Oh, I love the comic Batman. I love the sort of this.
And then you're like, Oh, shit, I literally just enjoy like Burton's kind of vision of it. Or you know, the cartoon vision. Because this guy's not this guy's not a detective at all. Like my man, he's like, he's like, I'm going to show up in the Batmobile with like every gadget under the sun.
And I'm going to punch some clowns. But when they come on, like the Tim Burton Batman's never attempt to explain any of that. We don't get Lucius Fox. We don't get any kind of, Oh, yeah, I worked this out myself.
Because I'm a master at this. It's just going, Nope, he just has the stuff as well as just him and Alfred. Seem to come up with it. Like you see them in this one when the when the sabotage and the like broadcast and they're just sitting there with the little headphones on being like, working on the computer together.
But yeah, like, sorry, I kind of I think I went over. So noise there, but the intro is absolutely beautiful for this movie. Like down to like everything, like the music, the atmosphere. It's a horrible story.
It's a very important, isn't it? Yeah. Like the first full on that. I don't really think it's much of a Tim Burton film that you need.
One, it looks like it's Kim Street, our comic book. Yeah, like all that he was in everything. Well, that he was told to do like block with the style. Yeah, exactly.
It's so studio centric. The first one. And this is the conditions he had for to return. Well, to return.
I will have my aesthetic. I will have I'm going to take over the whole Warner Brothers studio to do my aesthetic. And within the within the first like 10 seconds of Batman returns, you can just watch that 10 seconds ago. Oh, yeah, this is a Tim Burton movie.
Yeah, yeah. That's being the only Herman. You leave peeing. You know, how much, you know, like how once the Penguin like comes on the scene proper, like, are we to believe that is definitely what happened?
Or is this like, there is this part of the Penguin's like lie? Or did this is this part true? I think it's all true because it's Burton. So yeah, I don't know which people genuinely do this.
You know, it's just I think it's like another war to imagine, like another war part of his imagination that he's kind of like fabricated. But it's not framed by anything like, you know, for the viewer. This is just it like the start of the movie, isn't it? I guess this part is true.
Yeah. I would have mentioned though, like after me and Goodwill on the trek on the Trek on the Trekking Up North part, has to be covering the Star Trek film. One of the biggest things I dislike about them is that they don't actually have a proper opening credit sequence. All of them literally just go, here's a black screen and we'll put the words up for five minutes and then the film starts.
This is a perfect example of how you integrate a credit sequence into a film telling us a story where we have this wonderful montage of showing like, you know, him going into the sewers, we get all the things, we get the wonderful imagery coming up. It tells a story and it's this no moment in this entire film is wasted. The physical fit of this film is joyous, which is why I desperately wanted to talk about it. But you know, and then you compare it to other films where you get like dead air, where you get like, oh, well, that was not necessarily like, I don't think of anything you could cut out of this film at all.
Yeah. Yeah. And also like, you've noticed like the original score, obviously the Do The Batman theme over the opening like titles, credits and stuff. Like, have you noticed that the score is like wildly different?
Like the original stuff for this movie, like Lee was saying, there's a lot more Tim Burton, but the new the fans want to hear like the Batman thing. So they definitely had to get it that in there. And then that like fades away again. And it's like, okay, now we're back to this kind of like Christmassy, you know, like dark fantasy.
Yeah, but it was, but it was, but any elephant didn't do the music for this. Yeah, I thought you didn't know. I'm sure it's awesome. Really cool.
It's a little deep in it. It's very, it is very Elfman, but do you know, like, there's been a lot of stuff coming out recently about how composers have like people that they work with who just don't really get credited. So it's, it's like, you know, you might have had a team. Yeah, apologies.
It was Danny Elfman, but you rather did have a team. It's just, I could not, for the light, because last night I went on a, the makeup side of things was really bothering us because I couldn't find, I know it's Stan Winston, but it's not Stan Winston. It's his team who did it. And you wanted to like credit the right people.
That's right. And I just, and the only thing I could find was Ronnie Spector, who did make up for this, but didn't do all of it. She was actually nominated for Oscar, the Batman Returns, but it was V. Neil, who was a makeup supervisor, who if anyone knows V.
Neil's name, she has a makeup on Bigel Juice. And she and mine who did the Penguin and his credits just fucking, so many, but he, they're all part of Stan Winston's team. And that's all I really could find because it was so many people who were involved in the makeup side of things. Well, it's, it's crazy, isn't it?
Like I saw wonderful pictures of her the other day, um, from, you know, I think on the earth, people were posting about Beetlejuice and stuff and it basically had her there doing the Michael Keaton makeup and that and just like seeing the process. But um, no, like my earliest memory of Batman, one of my earliest memories is my brother being obsessed with the soundtrack to the first one, like the Prince soundtrack. And that is on, it was that and pretty hate machine by Nannage Nails like on loop for a year and a half. That's, that's not my sound now anyway.
And then obviously when this one came out, like the soundtrack was on heavy rotation as well, but it was obviously dramatically different, but the music's similar, like, you know, in terms of the actual themes and stuff, not the Prince music, but obviously this one has Susie in the Banshees on with Face the Face, which is a fucking amazing track. And I just remember that, like that's a core memory for me, like the Tim Burton Batman soundtracks and just know it used to be a mass, like the Batman soundtrack used to be a massive thing. I don't know where like Batman got this kind of weird, like thing in Hollywood where it's like, no, no, he has to have an album. He has to have a song from like baby.
Yeah. Or they, they have to do it. It was like, now I need to, now we need a YouTube song. And it's like, okay.
And if we'll laugh. I think you two thought that Batman needed a YouTube song to be one. Did we think we needed one? No, no one willingly thinks they wanted to do some.
That's one of their only good songs in my eyes. They told me Kiss Me, Kill Me, Blob, whatever that's one it is. And also Kiss Me, Rose, I'm going to say on record is just the greatest song of all time. Yes.
Well, the Academy Award for a great song. Before we move on. I'm like, it's too good to hear about this costume. Yeah.
It's not mine. I'm wearing the one in the actual movie because it's weird. I'm wearing. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm talking about the Blake. Careful. Careful.
But girls and PVC. Follow them back. No, it's the only one in the car. Do we have some way to exercise him Lee?
Like should we suggest monetization? If I could be Jason. I'm talking about Jessica. Yeah.
I'm a Jessica man. Sorry, Jessica. You could be Albert. No, this time I tried to read the trivia about the extent of what that outfit was.
So it's all school latex. It's not like latex now, which is a lot easier to get on. She's actually suctioned into the outfit. It's on and vacuum her into it.
And it was like a limit of how long she could be on the outfit before she basically starts to pass out. Oh, really? I'm going to say until the air like got back in. Oh, no, I was really thinking that one has put like a full body piece on a latex, but it does.
All the time it starts to get tighter and tight with the heat. But seeing her, it's like it's heading to the latex as well. I was really curious of kind of for its time. I haven't designed her that good to make it that moveable and everything.
I mean, oh, Keaton's latex as well. You see the Batman's the Batman's who don't watch the because if you go on the prime to find this movie, it takes you to the evolution of the back suit. Okay. But has starring Michael Keaton Danny DeVit, your Michelle Pfeiffer.
And I was like, you crafty bastards. Do I have to watch this in order to be able to watch the movie? You can watch by the way, it's not there. But I did end up watching this little 13 minute ditty on the evolution of the bat suit and the Keaton suit is probably one of the most iconic looking, but on what's that poll actually said the best word yesterday, it's just, it's not workable.
Like you can't work in that suit at all. You can't move around. You can't fight anyone. It's just the look alone in that.
But I just said the joke about how he couldn't turn his head, he had to turn his entire body. Like any kind of just approaches people like this doesn't need the whole time. He's like, I love that like the helmet can't be removed at all. So he just tears it off at the end.
Yeah. That's impressive. I recently believe that you have designed all of these things you use when you watch this shit today, economics. So like, that's the thing.
So when Keaton's suit, no, is it like, is it like an entire like over shirt? Like, come on. Like, put his head through. I felt like one little grommet moment.
I just pulled the hair. Yeah. And then he's headed for the ride. To be fair, we could fully see Tim Burton doing that.
That's proper PB's playhouse. Might as Michael Keaton going down a shoot and getting dressed on the way by robotic arms. That's not what we're talking about. I'm going to be talking about a tray of talc, just like, oh, again, master Bruce.
It's a little bit. It's a little bit. I thought that was going to happen though when he opens the door and then suits, like he's got already three assembled suits in front of him and I was like, oh, I was getting into these and he's just going to like shoot himself into it. And then he walks into a wardrobe that obviously looks like it should have actual suits on it, but it doesn't.
It has the Batman suits on it. And he's like, which one will I pick today? Oh, I'll have you. The one I can see in my head.
All the suits are the same. I don't have different things because it doesn't seem like I'll have them all the same. They look exactly the same. Mr.
Man's wardrobe. Yeah. There's sometimes like the high Easter eggs and that stuff. I don't know for sure.
It might have been like one of the original movie suits that was just like. Oh, yeah, just in there. I think we're going to be in flash of him reappearing again. Whereas that cracked his eyes, like, kind of opens the closet to look at him.
It's going to be a lot harder now to put on those suits. I'm just like, really should have thought this through. Like, should have thought about eating your suits at this age, trying to get back into the water. He has to drive in it as well.
If you ever like had like a big coat on when you drive it. You know what I'm going to sit down in the suits going to ride up a little bit, like, too. You're going to have to keep it just in himself and move himself around. I'll actually think of when I'm thinking about him in the car, his Robocop.
Definitely. He's got any bottoms on him. See what I'm doing in the car, maneuvering all the time. Well, he's top down.
It's like, like, stop it. What I do love, though, is like, we get the intro and then the suit up, you know, like the bad signal because the giant Christmas present explodes with dirty clowns. A lot of fun. But how beautiful is that opening scene when you first see Bruce Wayne and the lights just shine in his face and he does that whole movie maneuver.
It's not very conspicuous if he's got guests around mind. That signal turns into his window. I really like the idea, though, that like the film lights Batman, like it would light a Hollywood starlet, you know, they're like, like, we get with Morticia Adams, where we get the beam of light into the eyes and we get that with Michael Keaton, like, you know, basically going, hey, he's not Batman at the moment. He's Bruce Wayne, but he's always there.
And, you know, it's so clever. But it, it feels strange. It feels strange having a man with that lighting effect, you know. Why is he sitting in the dark?
Why is he sitting in the dark? Why is he sitting in the dark? He's a massive cop. It's his vibe.
Darkness. No, parrots. Yeah. Honestly, is this what you like when the air bosses out the town?
But like, what I do love about like when he first gets on the scene is it's just fucking go time. He's just like blasting in on the Batmobile, tripping guys up with his like gadgets. And they just like shoots out at stuff, it's fighting people. It's like, there's no like, there's no stealth or like sneaking around like Keaton's Batman just like explodes like every city.
Literally. And then the whole sort of old Batman's not supposed to kill and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that blame for a guy dies. Yeah. Yeah.
The dumb guy sure the guy with the ball later down. It was very snowy around. I would argue that. Well, the only thing I had to do was just drop and roll.
Like, there's no reason for him to be burning there. But what got me was the Batmobile. Who came up with the idea that the Batmobile could literally lift itself up and turn itself around. But at the time it took for it to lift himself up and turn itself around.
So much could have happened in that time. I think there's so much about the Batmobile and it's like the gimmicks and it's like, how is that ever useful again? Like the thing he uses to trip the still walkers up. It's like, yeah, when does that come into play?
Do we have still walkers and Gotham all the time? Oh, still to man's marvel. That adds to the countless of it all. It adds to the quirkiness of the movie.
Just being like, okay. You'll never catch me up here Batman. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
I've got to catch up for that. Can I ask a serious question? What time period are you putting this Gotham in? Because the design, the clothing, the costumes all indicate to me 50s.
Yeah. But Selena Kyle doesn't. Yeah, she's very 90s. It's difficult because I think they've got the preset like what Gotham City is from the first film and it's kind of like this time of 1950s thing.
But then what he tries to put in with Selena Kyle and this one is very modern, like, pressures and presentation of women and therefore she becomes this kind of time, you know, like she's not really in set in time. I was imagine it though as being like current day like the 90s in Gotham City. But as if something in the past changed. As in like what if technology have not got as far kind of thing.
That's all I kind of see. And like what if we just settled in this wonderful art deco period for 100 years? Yeah. And it just like gets built on top of it and gets higher and higher.
Because there's so many like crazy like it's obviously like Burt and Esque like Sky Squatvers and stuff especially with that giant cat on the rotating cat. What is that cat? It's just Shrek Cell. I always know it's just a Batman star mascot.
Like is he selling cats? Cause I mean I'm buying if he is. When you were saying this and I was about like the how like she feels modern. Like is that the most accurate getting home from work like seeing that ever been put on film?
Oh absolutely. Cause I think it's up there. I was just like stumbling around and being like, it's the when she meets Batman for the first time and she just keeps on talking. And then that dialogue just keep that dialogue.
Fails are into her home. Any scene that has Selena in her house, I fucking love. Yeah. I want that seat with all them teddy bears on it.
Even the role that she had on the seat, the telephone, the voicemail, the sign. I want it all. I love everything about that. But it's the fact that she's talking to her cats and telling them that they need to pay a rent which I do, which I do to mine all the time.
Cause they're here in Korea. I think it's probably the most relatable Batman villain we've had. Well, I don't even know if she's a villain because obviously Catwoman is always shades of grey. And then this way you can really see her be a bit of a dickhead.
Yeah, I was thinking about this. But I didn't know why. Like she has an origin story rather than the penguin being you lived in a sewer and your parents were dicks. Or like the Joker being like, you're a bastard and you're a bone in toxic waste.
I became more of a bastard. But no, I was thinking along these lines. And I was like, all right, in the comics, she's normally like a literal cat burglar. And like, and this doesn't do a lot of burglar.
And like fair enough, she like turns over the department store. But that's more of like an act of terrorism. But like, like, that's as if it's if they were trying to modernize it. Where it's like, yeah, like cat burglar's not really a thing.
Nobody does like museum heists anymore. Would she have her transformation into catwoman automatically go, I'm going to be a cat burglar. Exactly. Yeah, she would test it out.
She would probably would evolve into the burglar that we know something like Kyle to be. But now she's just, I feel like when she's in the department store, she's training. That's just a train on ground. But I feel like what we get in the animated series where she's very much like an activist.
And she's very much a like sort of cat burglar and you know, like a force for good, but like also high society as well, at least can get in there. I'd say that's this Selena Kyle in about 10 years time. Yeah. Like this is very raw.
She's just, you know, being reborn as it were kind of thing. And you know, and just pull, you know, like the initial steps of a serial killer where it's kind of sloppy and then later on it becomes refined and stuff like that. That's how I feel about Selena. Like I do love a first like meeting with a guy like in the back alley.
You know, she saves that woman and then immediately turns on the woman afterwards. Like you give women bad news. But at least she did it in the best way possible instead of how fucking Alicia Silverstone did it in Batman and Robin, because that was horrific. I don't think Tim Burton's actually going for a cat burglar woman, though.
Like it feels like he's gone right. This penguin is a penguin. He's a man. This cat woman, she's not a cat burglar.
She's a woman. That's a cat. You want to sit down and try and explain like metaphor to Tim Burton. It's really a cat first.
She's like, how free is Selena Kyle in this film? Like she's just going around doing whatever she wants. She's happy. She's carefree.
It's just even like having like cat thoughts and then going like, I think I'll take a bath. I'm just doing cat things. I think it's a very well-written character. It's a predominantly just a male movie.
Like the way the set her up and it's all quite like extremely relatable. Like why she's still still a popular like that version in particular. The things that we should just connect to the house. She puts the answer sheet on a month ask like, when she's going to find a man, did she get a better job?
How sad is she that she still lives alone with her cats and say all those pressures? How do you disrespect her? She's within a job. And then that whole donning on like a full like kind of sexy BDSM as things.
Like fuck this shit. Like fuck them out. I'm like, no, I'm like, you mom. Look what I can do.
Pretty much. Yeah. That's just a story isn't it. It kicks in and just like through all the stigmas that I put upon, kind of what it is to be woman, especially in Gotham is just great.
She's about, I think it's the reason that particular version of Katwin stands test of time. Because most of the others haven't as much as what she does. You don't see as many people wanting to start to get the iconos as if like the look or again, how her apartment is done. You're about to be by a new that got those LED lights.
And so I wanted those any of these. That's the one that's the best with I think. Like kind of it's not just a sexy woman in outfits. That's like kind of full female power of like, I want to be that old.
Isn't it the idea of like, you know, she's the most relatable villain because most women say that they've been in that situation. Like she is a very origin story is basically going, yeah, you're a woman trying to grow up in a male society and everything is against you. Everything is a hoop to jump through. Whereas the Penguin is slightly less relatable because I don't know how many other people, obviously I'm in this list, but who grew up in a sewer and wanted to kill the firstborns or everyone in a city.
I mean, that's the type of thing you know I do relate, but. The only time of a context that's sort of is like, it's like a time that's not right to the start, the two prams crossing each other. And the theory, the other one is Bruce with his lovely parents. And there's Oswald's parents from the other one.
I think both could have been the same guy, but look what happened. Yes. Can I say something really depressing as well that the Penguin in this movie is actually younger than me and probably most of us because it says 33 years later. Not so much me then.
That's too old. That's what it is. I'm currently under the Penguin. Can I ask about if we can go into the Penguin now because he is such a fascinating person, but the shape of the Penguin.
That's a lot of fooding. That's a suit, right? I mean, obviously it doesn't put it on him. It's amazing.
I've got all the knackels and everything to get them all into it. What's going on with all the lumps and bumps in the wrong places? Obviously it's obviously muddled after it. Last from Gids said on a way, the jobs center in our chickens.
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And it took them three hours every day to get the make of on. And what he decided to do, he was really top secret though, because they did not want him to get leaked at all. His image could not. He couldn't even discuss it when he went home.
What he actually looked like. Every day when he went home, he went home with a norm make up on. What he used to do. He's the nose on one day.
He used to bring in, he was happy. It's Danny DeVito. He's really the nicest guy in Hollywood. And he wanted to be comfortable while he was doing it.
So he used to bring his home comforts into the trailer and he brought his skin with a mirror. So he could sit and watch his movies in the mirror while they were doing his face. So he could just be content and happy. But this is the first thing I have watched Danny DeVito in that is not Frank Reynolds.
I was saying a long time ago. But it's almost Frank Reynolds though. It's so Frank Reynolds. The noise in the exes is just like, I'm listening to Frank.
And yeah, so this would have been the first time I ever saw Danny DeVito I think. But I do remember my parents telling me, like, oh, he used to be in a show called Taxi. But yeah, and this was like, to me as a child, this was like absolutely horrifying. I had nightmares about this penguin.