Welcome to the Nodie of Nodie of the Podcast. It's a Nodie podcast, and it's also by her northern nerds. I am Wadiohusan. And I am the other host, Paul.
I'm joined by someone who is not here. He's really at the doctor's appointment, so this is why this was pre-recorded 17 years ago, where we traveled back in time. He's a big man of your imagination, Evil. Yes, so be cool guys.
Be cool. How we should be in everyday life. Yeah, hello. I'm also joined by someone else, the biggest Terminator 2 fan.
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Hey everyone. And thank you for joining me Lunch Break to the Network. I can say we've got a Mr. DFO, Christopher, you know you're not seeing the movie, and we've got a Goodwill.
We've spotted a Wild Goodwill in the mist, it's been a while. We've got a Captain in the chat. What? He's taken a step away from the vagina and he's joined us for this day, so yes.
And we've got a JIACAYE! JIACE! Goodwill's an AHRQ. So yes, and all of, it's one of those things now.
We and Sammy were talking about this the other day. We just want to have more fun, because we've been very regimented and this has to be out this time, this has to be out that time. It's a lot less fun. So yes, we're just going to do random shit whenever we want, whenever we get some free time, and we thought today it would be a good day to celebrate Lee.
Because Lee, bless him, he gets so much abuse. Half of it, well 90% of it he deserves it because he is the biggest dick we'll ever met. In more ways than one. And also, he has a lot of grafting.
So this is like a kind of like a little reward. So a little reward for Lee that we've been done about this movie so much, that we thought we'll talk about it. So thank you so much. So happy now Lee.
I really am. I love this film so much. I love this film so much. I love the best film.
Why? See, to me it's the greatest action movie ever made. Right, before we start, I know you thought before we start, you jumping on Sammy's bit. Yeah.
Sorry guys. If we're going to make statements, we should get the disclaimer out best. Because you know, after the disclaimer, it's all cool. That's the way we want to go.
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So we can all agree to disagree and find them. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of her nerdism. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. And that's being said on so many different podcasts, so many different channels to so many different people that it's our mission statement. It's what we get across in the world for you.
And it was a nice little message to me. I've posted now a group chat. One of our members found a meme. And again, we get a lot of memes.
But it was a nice one where she was like saying that a lot of people came down that show up when she's talking about things that she loves. And it's nice to find some place and a home that celebrates it. And she tagged us. So that meant a little bit more to me.
So I had a little tear in my eye. I had a little bit special. So just when you think he's not helping or doing something, the Nerd Up North community, you rap Scallions. I'm making someone's life a little bit easier a little bit.
So well done nerds. Well done. That's lovely. Aw.
What a nice part of us we at the Star Gym afternoon podcast, eh? Yes. Now. And we have a lead in as well.
And let's talk about the second best term in film. So let's go. See, right. I knew that I was going to come up because we always argue about this.
But they are two completely different films. I agree. I feel like this is the first film. This is the greatest action movie ever made.
Termination one is more of a survival horror movie. Just like Alien, the first one, compared to the second alien film. It's like trying to compare those two things. Completely different thing.
It shouldn't be compared. But they will be compared because of the same one. Yeah. That's true.
But before we get into nitty gritty and late trying to prove why this is the greatest movie of all time, I've got taglines. Oh, they should be special. Because Jim's Cameron was a perfectionist and won't let out the best for his films. Wow.
You ready? It's nothing personal. What? It's the best one.
Nothing personal. This time he's back. For good. I knew that was going to be a tagline.
I didn't even look at him. That was the first thing I thought of me. The battle, I actually like this one. The battle for tomorrow has begun.
Oh, I like that one. I like that one. Hey, you're terminated. July 20th.
July 1th. You're terminated. You're terminated. You're terminated.
You're terminated. I think these ones, the next one is from a DVD. I don't think it's theatrical release. But it's remember the action.
Remember the engine. Remember the engine. Remember the emotion. Remember the mission.
But if you think you've seen it all, look again. I'm just laughing at Jake. Sorry. It's coming with a very good question.
That's a good question. I've put a couple more and I'll reel them off. If you thought you'd seen it all, look again. Right.
They make the same model new mission. Right. I like that one. Pasta la vista.
Baby. Yes. And the last one. This time, there are two.
Right. It always pins the question. I give the hard to this technology to send things back. Why didn't it send back an army?
Rather than send them back one. Just invade in the past. Oh yeah. Maybe find your time.
I think there's a lot of different plots that they could have gone for. And it's just the easiest thing. It's just go back and come back. They turned me back.
I got a job. Became John Connor's boss. Invited him into the office. I mean like, oh, you fired also.
Do you want to answer Jake's question? A question for the other person. It was sent back to the 1980s. The killing young Paul and stopped non-existent.
Would you go back in time and become his father to save his world? Are you a really big girl? Are you a big girl now? No.
I mean, that's a difficult one. I mean, that's a difficult one. I think there's one to be dead. Of course.
I would do anything to make sure you use it. Oh, I think Chris has just just revealed himself. Why can't cause me sent back what robots can? How would you know about Chris?
He's seen it. He's seen it. You've seen this. You've seen this.
To be fair, though, that is one of the questions I wanted to ask as well. Because as you said, they've got sent it back in time. Why did they have to be naked? Do you think that the clothes can handle this time continuum and you know what?
Why can you? Well, if it's fibres. Why did you hear? Why did you hear?
Why did they not go back bald? Explain this. The bullet just said that clothes can't be sent back for some reason. I can't handle what reason was.
That's good. That's not taken early. Yeah. Yeah.
And they couldn't come back with weapons because metal couldn't come through. But it's not explained in terms of me too. I think it's one or five. So I'll earn the grievances at the start and then we'll get into it.
Because it is a good film. I'm joking on most times. I do like the movie. It is an enjoyable film.
But there is some things that don't make sense at all. Like for example, when Arnie is explaining all the T-100s explained about the T-1000 being liquid metal and can change into weapons and stuff. But not with components like guns or machinery or moving parts. How's it tape fucking human form?
Surely that has got moving but more moving parts than a fucking gun. It's just a medical yellow. To what? I do not know.
It just needs an outer layer. It doesn't matter what's inside. And to answer, like, to go back to Chris's question as well. The T-1000 comes back in time, naked.
But it doesn't really need clothes because he can just make clothes apparently. You can't let the silver serve her. Yeah. Why does he come back wearing, like, having formed that clothes off the thing?
That's the Canadian man. I think James Cameron just saw Robert Papadou and I want to hear him say it naked. I want to say, Arnie, that was the big thing. Last night I watched the remastered version and it's disappointing because it's completely changed the whole film.
So in the original, when Robert Papric kills that policeman, he bends down and you can see his testicles. But in the remastered version, they've removed them. So the cash traded them as well. No.
And Kelly, I apologise if I've already upset the burns, I'm sorry. Respect the water, Shane. It doesn't need them because, like, why would he need to have genitals? Like, nobody's going to see them.
Nobody in the future goes, are you a Terminator? No. Drop your pants. So, yeah.
But again, with the... for every agreement, I think the first half of the movie is absolutely brilliant. I can't fault the first half because it's an action spectacle. Then the second half reverse back to say, no, we don't have any good ideas.
So we'll just redo the turn-a-one gun shooter with the cops, where Arnie is trapped in the building and needs to escape. And then one of the worst endings I've seen for a film that should have been brilliant, the ending is terrible. I'm sorry. It's not, it's so emotional.
It does, but then you're spotted with Arnie's hand in the air coming down with a thumb up. No, no, no. And it's just like... That's one of the most...
Oh, it's one of the most moving moments in cinematic history is the thumb coming up. It's a privilege. It should have been a lot more special if he just saw his face and he saw that I, going from red to black, and then going into the lava, that would have been better. No, I feel like it's a emotionally charged moment.
I feel like you see him become more and more human. Yeah. And you grow with him. But he can never be human.
Yes, but he's like learning all these human emotions. Even the thumbs up at the end is like him learning a human thing. Like, why would a robot be like, I would jump? I've preferred the game.
I'm fighting the game and you've got to shoot things. That was a little better. I love the ride. I don't believe it's there anymore.
It was one of the greatest rides in Universal Studios. It was fucking brilliant. Can we tell someone now? It's not my turn.
Sorry, Kelly. It's like battle through time or something like that. Yeah, something like that. It's just sitting down 3D effect one and you're in with like, you've got real life actors and you've got the Cyberdyne instructor at the beginning.
And he just sat down in the theatre and 3D with Arnie with Edward Furlong. And it was absolutely brilliant. And I think this is where the spark and the love of it came. And to me, to put my sister.
Because instantly when we did that, we went to a video shop, because this is how long ago it was, and we bought Terminator 1. And we actually watched it while we were in Florida. And it just, there's a lot of people there. It's such a long time.
And now, being along for the journey, you can't deny that the first and second is just up there with quality movie making. Not 100%. As Lee said, again, I know I'm being a bit harsh. They are two completely different movies and takes.
I agree wholeheartedly that the first one is more in the horror genre than the action pack for them. Well, just look at the age re-ins. The first one was near Ain, Aarly, Ain. This was a 15.
And I'll tell the story, because at the time, when this came out, I think I was 9 year old, there were letting kids under 15 see this movie as long as the parents went with them and give permission. Because, at the time, and again, this is where I'm going to sound a little bit hypocritical. When this came out, it changed the game for a lot of different movies and a lot of different things. Like literally, we haven't seen anything like Terminator 2 ever.
Like with the combining of the CGI, the combining of the practical effects. And flipping Aarly from this really, really nasty monster in Terminator 1. And being the hero. And that was just mesmerizing to see.
And again, when I say it's a movie of two-halves, the first half of Terminator 2 is just breathy again. Like literally it doesn't miss the beat. The soundtrack's on point and all Chris has made the joke about being a guns and rules video. Fair enough, it probably was.
And that's not a bad thing for the time. Like the set pieces, everything just looked beautiful. But then again, when they get Sericon out of the mental asylum, and just to come this action-packed hero from the soft Sericon that we had in the first one, it's a great transmission and a lot of credit calls to Linda Hamilton for the works she put in and the works she did for that character. Massively, it was the only one condition she had of coming back for the sequel was that Sericon would be the same Sericon that you had in the first one, something had to change.
She needed to grow up. She knew all this information of what is potentially going to happen. So she needed to, in a sense, a man-op. And that was the condition of Linda Hamilton coming back.
That scene where you see her doing the pull-up, and how ripped she is. That was the robot. You can't just sit on your hands on that one, can you? The use of doubles as well.
So she had used quite a few scenes where flashback scenes are the dream sequence, that they couldn't use a ript to the handle of them. in the park with the mini-jotting. He used her, they used her a couple of scenes, didn't it? The mirror scene, where she was having work done, they used her for that.
Really good use of a twin. Really good use. Well, the whole, like, the user twins throughout, like the guy who picks the coffee coffee machine and he comes and goes, well, there were twins and I know there'd been like friends like Gremlins and stuff like that, but I don't know if anyone can remember the Martin campaign for this when it came out and all Lee would be very young. I think I was about nine years old when this came out.
But there was a show that me and Sammy will, well, I hope me remember quite fondly on Channel 4 on every morning called The Big Breakfast. Yeah, I remember that. And for their good times. Before they have like an ad break, you used to show film clips of the upcoming movies for the time and the upcoming movie for this week was Turn It Or Two.
So each, like, morning, there was a two-minute clip of this movie, like, not like a trailer, like a clip of the movie. And they used the twin one where he's getting a coffee cup and that shit me up so much, especially as a kid. When you see the floor just come up and like we hadn't seen anything, like, special effects wise to this degree. And then it morphed into him and all you're saying was employment and it couldn't out there because it didn't show the finger turn into the knife and going through his head.
But that was before nine o'clock in the morning. Sean, you're like, so that's how it brazed and like, it's disturbing the twitching as well. Yeah. Yeah.
That was sure that it had a good start that time. That floor scene is still to me one of the best CGI representations of anything in any film. Just, it's so seamless where it's like, yeah, you don't even know what's the floor first and then it's just, but the, um, industry like Magic did a lot of the work for this movie and they actually had to grow their artistry. So they went from six to 36 just to accomplish the T-1000 to come into life.
And it cost them 5.5 million to do. And ultimately it was only 3.5 minutes long. 3.5 minutes screen time and 5.5 million to cost to do. Yeah, they did some good, good work.
But I don't think it can be the Robert Patrick in this movie can, can just not be denied his brilliance and the work he had to do for it as well. He learned how to be able to run and breathe through his nose to the point where he was that good at it when John is on his bike chasing him. That is genuinely him running after him. He caught up to him with ease.
That's not a reason. That seemed lots of times to him. I think he kept catching up to him and obviously they want him a little bit of distance that John was getting away but it wasn't the problem. It was just shooting straight past him because he managed to do this whole thing because he said he wasn't going to bring out of his mouth.
Yeah. Lincoln as well. No, I think he fell into the film apart from when he's talking to other humans. To pretend that he's human and trying to fit in.
That's what it's all about. It's interesting to talk about the casting for this movie and it's almost like one of those things where you get the perfect storm. Like literally everyone cast in this movie even like Edward Furlong who could have been the most annoying character. I was proven in future termative films when different people as John Connor, it's never quite worked out for us.
It was almost like the perfect storm for the casting. I don't think there's one person that is out of place or feels like this shouldn't be there if that makes sense. Yeah, Edward Furlong caused them a lot of problems. But not in the way that you think, knowing how you know Edward Furlong is growing up with a massive issue because this normally movies don't take as long to shoot.
This one took nearly eight months and within them eight months John Edward Furlong was growing and his voice was changing. So there's a lot of scenes where Edward had to record over the top of it to make it sound seamless because his voice kept breaking all the time. I love his voice breaking. And then it makes it seem more realistic and more intense when he's like, come on!
There's one towards the end of shooting. He was catching up in Hightland and Hamilton. So obviously consistent with the time to skip the timeline of the movie, that doesn't work. So yeah, they had to speed things up in relation to Edward Furlong's and shooting because of his growth was causing them a problem.
Poor lad man. But if you have any, I know Edward Furlong has a history of whatever's. Michael Rosenbaum had him on his podcast and it's such an honest conversation from an ex addict who it's a brilliant conversation. I do recommend going watching it because it will make you think differently of them.
It's always a one when it comes to him because you always want to think of the positives. Like I know everyone has a demon and everyone has a problem so it's hard to look past certain things but he's a very troubled person. And you can tell in this movie that because he portrays Pean and her so well, especially with his relationship with Linda Hamilton and Sarah Connor because you can tell she loves him. It's almost like at the start it's not she doesn't love him as a child.
It's like loves him as a savior which is scary to look at and how things like where she's willing to die and kill people just to make sure that he survives. Yeah, it's quite evident that it's that from the you know in the film at John Edward Furlong has very true to life experiences. He was raised by a single man and when him and Arnie got together, there were so close. He found this father figure that had been looking for and it was Linda Hamilton said in an interview that it was breathtaking to watch them work together to interact with each other outside.
There were all ways together to give him life advice, to give him women advice, which Linda said sometimes was terrible but it was very his performance is really true to life. And this is why you get such a great chemistry between the two because John and Edward are both you know, they don't have that man in their life. And I can't speak from experience because I ain't no dude but it's got to be a huge importance to have that kind of figure in your life. A man can only do so much.
And that's why I'm happy that Lee went back in time and gave me that experience. Thank you Lee for saving me and creating me as the man I am. This is all these folks. It's actually back to when you said that there's nobody out of place in this film.
I think there is a few but not main characters. So Pepsi sponsored a lot of this film and there's a lot of people just walking around like especially at Cyberdang there's one guy who spends the whole thing holding the kind of Pepsi and he's like all the time going like you just look over there. Right at placements. To be fair, Lee, this was.
It's only like three weeks. Yeah, like with being a young man you want to experience like the glorious 80s and the 90s where product placement was key for literally every year. And watch a lot of these movies that's made life so. So watch Williams well too and then you can't judge any other movie after that.
Oh, the pizza in the Pepsi and stuff. Yeah, you can't do that anymore. Can you know you're not allowed to do that. You can't put blatant product placement into movies anymore.
I think you can't even use it to be a huge one. Remember more of all the ones where they spent ages on the front book thingy and then they split them up. I think they still kind of the product here. So it's because Coca-Cola still gets a lot because they're drugs are always falling over and stuff.
I just don't think you can do it blatantly. You can't just do it like what we have the use to like how they say holding the Pepsi cat up for fucking ages. Go on, like you. I'm going to say that the worst one is the corridor when the two turn here is finally meet.
And there's a guy up against the wall like that. And as soon as I'm shooting he's holding the kind of Pepsi and jumps out like ah directly in the line of fire just to get a Pepsi shot in. See if that's why this is a number two movie as well because if you want to have a number two drink it's. Oh, you fucking take that.
So Jay. Oh, we're going to have the core challenge with Sami soon so that'll be fine. I can drink in a can. I cannot drink in any other way.
I think it's disgusting but Pepsi in I don't think that's really bad. Pepsi is horrible to put it. That's it's way for my responses to the other. That's fine.
Yeah. Um, just to go into the sorry I just want to go into the two 1000 a second and the the work that went into for you to set to 1000 and the two 1000 for is freezing and breaking up is a combined effort. I hope I get this word right. But amputee with prosthetics and Robert Patrick merging with the amputee to have the effect of them coming up.
All right. So like real limbs will I kind of moved around to make them that wouldn't be able to have been done if it wasn't for this amputee. Right. So the practicality that they use for all CGI is very prevalent in this movie.
So effects were used quite a bit. Yeah. So the making of and you know the bit where it gets frozen by the liquid nitrogen when you're seeing it like talking about that's a good one because they actually did build the model. I know the CGI even come back together like that that's when like the heat would like they use a lot of the practical effects to like model building especially was was what I think but and that leads me to another thing I was just about to ask as well.
So thank you so much. That's a good little segue because of the practical effects and the special effects and the stunts in this movie was done like and again it set the bar so high for any movie that came afterwards. Like the car chase scene is referred to still today as one of the greatest chase scenes in movies with the motorbikes. With that being so early in the movie and not again I'm not sitting on the movie anything but do you think the shot the load too early with that like kind of spent the big because for me that was the biggest high of the movie for me like that that scene in that shot was just perfectly done.
But I know you couldn't really do it any other way later on and I'll have it there but it was kind of like this big set piece at the start to get going. Is this the one where the helicopter goes under the bridge or is that later on? Oh that's the later one. What were the trucks coming off?
Come on the three wave dives then. Yeah yeah I'm just trying to figure out where I'm in the film. And it fell on the motorbike from where Danny Zuko and Scarface had the rear spin race. Oh yeah but the rear slide thing.
I'm not sure what shot that looked very similar. Probably what it looks like picture-for-factor. I don't know. I don't know it's quite a good question.
I don't know if it really because that's quite really early on isn't it? Because that's the first interaction you get because that's basically John Connor's first experience with the turner. He's trying to get his head round and think is this real? Is this a real turner because that's when after he gets away he pulls around the corner and starts porting him in the chest and stuff.
And that's where we find out where not that moment but we find out not too long after that he's like basically the god voice commands for the turner which is totally wasted. Because if you could have voice commands for the turner you've got to take advantage of that in any which way you can. But yeah, that's right. It's like go over there and kick me in the nuts.
15 times. Yeah, I don't even have to be programmed to do that. I won't even put in. Sorry, please kick his and your ass a little bit more lately so that's fine.
She hasn't said you had a date in a while so it's all good. He's after something. I mean I look horrific at the minute. It's a day of time Sammy.
So what moments are your favourite moments in this movie? Like what would you say is the best, like what makes this movie the stand out? Maybe apocalypse scene, the dream sequence. I fucking love that.
I think it's so spectacularly done and I know they did a lot of work watching because obviously we don't know what that would look like. And you can't speak to anyone who would see what that would look like. And the most realistic. Most of her.
Yeah, yeah. Because it was a lot of- It was a lot of- It was a lot of- It was a lot of- They watched a lot of movies to try and like kind of get a sense of what other people had done and how to like elevate that. And I think the main one was the we mean Antwatch did it's so realistic. It's terrifying from the 80s that when obviously the Cold War was on and what was happening in America.
The bomb went off and it's so scary. And I think they used a lot of that for reference and that scene is just- What acting from the Hamilton because the child running in the field is her son. Right. It's her actual son.
So it's already that acting in its voice, real emotions. I'm just saying that. Yeah, real life but it's so well. Like I don't know it's just it's so well done.
I love that scene so much. I shouldn't. I think it was cinematic. Yeah.
I think it was quite clever how they used it as well. Because they could have done any type of a public scene and it would have had an impact. Like seeing the world blow up or thing but the choice to do the most innocent thing you could think of. A child playing Mark and having him to have an experience.
Sarah kind of being all motherly and kind of like just not even noticing what's around or what's going on. And she's like screaming and saying, ah, I've got to stop this. You've got to do something and she's kind of like an auntie and look at the crazy person. And then the horrific nature of the blast.
And it was like the stages of it as well because it's the initial hit where she's holding onto the fence. Then it's the fire and she's like still there's just on fire. Then it's the blast afterwards. I'm not so into a skeleton.
It's just like everything about it is just horrific. It's just like and it used the term it burns the image to your memory that you'll never forget that. Can't you can't get it's her grabbing a hall of the fence. And oh, it's just it is absolutely unreal.
I love the the opening to where it's explaining everything. Can you get to see the terminators? Yes. Reminds us all of the ride.
They are actually animatronic and terminators. They are real like workable animatronic terminators that are used and have them in the show as well at universal. Just me. I do love that bit.
There's so much that I love this film but I'm going to let you take a turn because I'll just rehatch the whole movie. And favorite bit is the bar scene, the bike and bar. Just that whole scene. They almost cut it as well.
Like the studio did take an out and James Cameron was like fuck off. But you know that there was the used an actual bar for it and the patrons in there. Even though they'd seen that the fact that Arnie is like Arnie. They saw the cameras, they saw the crew, they saw everything outside.
Genuinely thought it was real. The point of view is you may have to be fair. Have you seen behind the scenes of what he was wearing for that scene as well? Oh no.
Bright purple and green Hawaiian shots. What? I'll share it in the group afterwards but it makes that scene a bit more ridiculous. Like everybody's looking at like, oh my god there's a naked guy in the bar but he's just fucking stupid.
It's the brook out there as well. It's like pulls no punches. And it's like sitting in the line. It's like the sizzle.
You're multi-cycle. And you hear the sizzle? It's like the sizzle sound 20 to the cigar goes on them. And then not just that.
What got me to date when I was re-watching this morning when he threw the guy over onto the cooker. He lands on the cooker. Like the sheer panic that was like again that's what it would be like. Because imagine if you were throwing a cooker like something really hot.
You're not just going to go put your hands down and push. You've got to go like this. And it kind of paddled it. And it was just like it goes through you.
You think because if you think about it like and that sounds really weird. If you think touching is really hot. You're not going to go up. I'm going to push it off.
It's like instantly and you're weird pushing down as well. It's just ah it freaks me that it's sore much out because of it. After that he gets stabbed in the side. Doesn't flinch.
Just takes it out and stabs the guy back. And then there's still people beating around with like people who's like let's just sink in for a moment and see them going like oh shit. Nothing's going to work on this guy. And then I'll just back off.
And then he gets the keys through into him. And then he comes in one of the coolest parts in cinema history. On you walking out that bar like do do do do do do do do. Like that wood sticks his sunglasses on.
Well he doesn't just stick their sunglasses on though because he gets on the bike first. And the bar owner comes out and says I can't make you take the bear's wheels that turn. And he's like he just walks over to him. It takes the gun off him without even flinching.
But this is again at the glorious time where we had movie trailers that didn't show you too much of the movie. So at this point if you like imagine if you've not heard anything about Terminator 2. You've seen Terminator 1 and you can't watch it. And you know Arnie's the bad guy and you're thinking oh shit he's just kind of kill everyone in this room because all the things that was doing was being sent back.
There's not all the things that was being sent. I'm sure that did in the trailers reveal that Arnie was the good guy in this one. At least it was like a point in the trailer. Are they going to punch you in the second?
Is it the first ones were Bill Paxton isn't it? No no no no no no no that's Atty Hillian. Is it at the bottom? Is it?
No no it's. That's an is in Terminator 1. You think Terminator 1? Yeah.
Is it not the guy who's courty takes like their clothes? Yeah it's Bill Paxton. Oh yeah no. Yeah because the first note for the Terminator, Aliens.
Yeah. Sorry that's my fault. When you said Norway man I was saying oh that's Alien. That's the only thing.
Oh yeah it's a really, really quite a lot. I'm sure he said he's an influencer and all. As he threw his bottle of whiskey out of the twist. Um.
It's quite cool. Yeah. Um. Because going back to the point I was trying to make way before Lee spoiled it.
Yeah. If you watch this movie and you hadn't seen any like aspects and you're still like moving magic still there because now these days everything has spoiled to the degree where you know inside the know like Deadpool and Wolverine's coming out next month. We pretty much know the whole plot and all the characters that's going to be like in that at this point of the movie which is not disappointing but it's kind of like I wish the mistake of movies was left of it. But if you're coming into the movie now and you're not known whether Arnie's the bad guy or the good guy but how he doesn't kill the bar owner that kind of gave you like hints of where the film's going because Arnie and Terminator 1 would have just went boom shot in the head and then took what he wanted.
Yeah. Yeah you would have. Absolutely you would have. I feel like they had more to say so I still don't know.
I'm just a question maybe you wouldn't if it's a bar full of people because if someone runs away and reports them for murder of like 50 people. I don't think the Terminator's worried about murder because they're not going to put them in chains and not more. Yeah but it's going to alert the present story and he's an infiltration unit. He's an infiltration.
So there's different types of terminators. Oh yeah. Yes well so there's the T800 which is what Arnie is. What is he in the first one?
T800. It's a T101 but without one you can't have the other. So the T800 is the endoskeleton. Right.
T101 is the endoskeleton with the actual skin layer over the top of it. Okay. And I think in this one they called himself the prototype. He's like on the prototype for this.
The T1000 is the prototype. Right. Okay. Yeah.
The special effects as I said has dated like when they go back in time the orbs don't look as shiny as it did but in the early 90s. Now but the other stuff like the morphin from Broglip has changed into the liquid for Robert Patrick. Sorry. Very different from movie.
His using even using the knives and stuff. I love how like even the knives have got bevels and stuff. It's not just like a straight pointy device. I still think the special effects does hold up well compared even to some of the today's music even like some of the late-adear turnip movies that we got.
And it just didn't have the same like rustic or failure. I know this one is a lot more shiny and easier on the eye than the first movie. Yeah. I mean you had the best of the best working on this movie.
You had the likes of Stan Winston. Yeah. Even James Cameron had more to do with this movie as because of it's all. You've got the top guys working so it is probably more shiny.
But see that's what I love about the first one. I love the greenness to it. I love that aesthetic about it. But again I love that they are two completely separate movies.
The aesthetic of them both. But I can't say I love one and not. I can't do the two and go out. I love that one better than that one.
I have an appreciation for both of them at the same level. What did you think about the plot with this one? Because the whole story with T, the turnip one was to see if John, see if Sarah so that John was born to lead the resistance. Again it's a similar type of plot.
But this time the change up where Sarah gets the idea to basically stop the manufacturing of Skynet by killing the creator and then killing what was left. It's always with technology and stuff. If an idea is there, how many other people will have the same idea or be able to create a fact? Exactly what I was thinking.
It's a hydro situation isn't it? You cut one head off and two will appear. I always thought about this when our idea of killer Miles Dyson was ridiculous. Because there's always going to be someone else who was either inspired or has followed any footsteps and they are going to do something.
They're going to do it the same or worse. You can't prevent judgment day. Only postpone it. No, you're right.
There's a lot to talk about the time traveling this film affecting how the plot goes as well. So in the first one, there's one terminal to get sent back with Kyle Reese. And then the part of the terminal gets left behind. And as a theory that did that get left behind, caused humanity to evolve faster with the chip and the cybernetics and stuff.
Which causes for a more advanced terminal to be sent back in the form of the T-1000. That's just scrambled my brain that mind. There's a lot of like, not like, I think we know that. It's just really ambiguous.
Like it's just so many open-ended things that it could be left to interpretation. What's the name of Reese? Always John Connor's dad. Yeah, because well, do you know the original one is the one in Michael Bean as the T-1000 to come back and to really fuck with Linda Hamilton's head like and what Michael Bean said no, it was that's too far fetched and the change that minds on it.
But I just think this whole movie is open-ended. The originally wanted it where Linda Hamilton, it was an older Sarah Connor and an older John Connor and they were in the park with her grandchildren. And that's how the initially wanted it ended, but they kind of gained- The do you reckon like that in the Skynet edition? It's not what James Cameron wanted though.
So I know that it's out there, but I know that it's not because he wanted it open-ended. Yeah. There's never a full stop. To be further, what do you fuck with James Cameron with the rumors that he used to carry a gun to set so the studio executives wouldn't like talk to him about changing to his movies?
That's true. Like the set of Titanic he had a rifle and if he used to point it at studio executives, they walked under his lot. I fucking love that. That's one way to stop a studio coming in and fucking with your ideas.
I really like James Cameron. I think he's like, I've got a lot of time for the movies that he does and the work that he puts into it. And I know a lot of people had a lot to say on Avatar Taken as long as they did together, but there's reasons behind it. He takes on his head everything he does.
Well, he's creating a technology to make that movie as well. That's the mind-blowing thing. He's getting ideas now that we're going into Skynet. He's pretty not true.
He did it in Titanic. He created machinery to be able to go down to the wreckage for just a short period of time. Not these billionaires with Xbox controls. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. But he did the work to be able to do that. There's a reason he takes as long as he does is because of the work and everything that's on his head. So it makes sense that he wouldn't allow studios to come in because that it has to be all him.
He even stands at the Arnie in the first one. Arnie is going like, I think a machine would actually say I will be back. And he's like, well, what does it say in the script, Arnie? I'll be back.
We'll say the fucking nine then. I'm like, I don't tell you how to work. So don't tell us how to write. Yeah.
Good for him. Not good for him because directors do get walked all over. When we did vampire years last week for monsters, the work in relationship between John Carpenter and James Wood worked because they have to have an agreement that John gets his take and James gets his take. Yeah.
Who the fuck are you, James Woods, to come in and say this is how it should be done. And I know it worked out brilliant from and John said he has a lot of love for the man. In my head, I'm like, no, this is my interpretation of it. And you want to just hear to put that onto screen.
Oh, I just think I love the fact that you did that. Well, Kevin says quite the same as well. Like anyone who tries to like add a little bit like lines and stuff. I remember Ben Affleck saying, oh, do you get much swear with Kevin being your friend?
And he went, no, he's actually worse with me with his being a friend. He tells me these are the lines I've brought. Say them, I'll fuck off. Do you know how hard it is to be able to write dialogue for someone else?
Like, you've not only got to be the person who's writing it, but you also have to be the other person who's seeing it and have a completely different personality to who you are. It must be so hard. And then for some fucking jump to act it, go, well, I think this will be better. That's half.
How great off. Sorry, Kelly, for the language you've still been about. She's always telling off, don't listen to the puppy puddly-bout people. Don't listen to them judging all the notes.
The naughty boys and girls up there. We're talking about SkyNet as well, because I think back when these came out, we thought it was the most outlandish thing, like common, like, oh, the computers coming over and taking over and having such control over the world and stuff like that. Is it a little bit scary now with the levels that's coming out, especially with AI stuff, like AI often such a hard topic. But then if you think about AI, again, if we're going to see it on brand, I know there's a conac center in Sunland just closed down, Tom Bawler, because they've replaced all the chat moderators with AI.
It's ridiculous. We are heading into a SkyNet universe. So I'll use people buying this AI art. When the world blows up, it's all your fault.
It's all your fault. I hope your AI pictures can protect you. And it's quite a somber and thought as well, especially when they do the whole saying at the beginning, whether short when you get to Sarah Connor, telling me about the future, what it's like and how SkyNet eventually takes over is basically in a conacenium and before we realized we tried to pull the plug. And it almost like it was a self-defense mechanism where I thought, man, was it?
Anyway, so it's almost like the Starship Trooper episode all over again, man shot first, and then SkyNet kind of retaliated in the worst way possible. I think it set nuclear bombs to fire up Russia, then Russia set the nuclear bombs to fire back. And it was like the time the Cold War was like, when did this movie actually come out? I forgot to get the day.
I knew you won. So you're just coming out of the 80s out of the Cold War, so that would be quite, you know, prevalent with US, uh-huh. And I think, I can't remember the deans now, but wasn't your due event in 2020 with Har? I mean, August 27th, 1999, I think.
Also, 2019, 1997. Yeah, but the flash forward is when John Simeback was 2026. I think. Oh, he's not even there yet.
No. 25 years from the date that the film set is when it sends people back. Right, okay. Well, when he meets Kyle Riesakar, I wonder which one to see.
Hi, Dar. I said, you're back to Bambi Mam and Dai. Well done, son. Oh, do your job.
Do it for your country. The good red white and blue. Blue. I'm sorry.
I didn't think I'd get a grease to reference in the end of the day. That one was just for Kelly, if you saw the watch. Just not the end of the day. At least I'm still going to get to, I'm still disappointed.
You're singing musicals on my podcast. I hate musicals so much. What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you? Show the music. The turn in the musical? I'm sure they'll get me in.
Hey, yeah, the different. There's a skit online of like Arnie singing and a Terminator musical for some parody show that Karam, what it's called now. What it is, hilarious, and I would watch it. It is.
Do you think this movie would have the same effect as it does on us today if Arnie hadn't done it? No. You think he is the glue that keeps this all together? I think it's been proven in the Seagulls' asking, and even at the ones where we've had Arnie and it doesn't have his impact.
And in all, there's ways and means they're done. I know they tried turning it three to kill Dafnin and down and didn't quite work. But I think that was just down to prove a right and then the story wasn't strong. And then we got Salvation.