Nerdy Up North Podcast - Some Like It Hot!!

So live. Well live. Hi everyone and welcome to the NERDY UP North podcast. It's a NERDY podcast hosted by another nerds.

I am one your host Sam. And I am the other host Paul and do not adjust your sets. Yes, we are in black and white today. We are very classical, demure and yeah, I think it's something we're doing.

I like it. I mean, I wish I knew so I didn't have to put a makeup on. That'd be cool. Hey, hey, we're here.

It's Sunday night. It's the first one of 2025. How fucking old are we now? Then it reminds us how old I am in 2025 and we don't need to go there.

Yes. It's not happening yet. Are you still in denial? Denial.

I've been in denial since I was 21. Bless you. It's not just a river in Egypt, don't worry. So yes.

So how is your resolution going so far, Sami? Mine actually not so bad. So I started the TikTok trend. I think it's a class of the TikTok trend because I've only ever seen it on TikTok.

The 75 medium. So it's basically setting out intentions for the next 75 years, which will take us up to like 16th of September. And it's making sure that you do these intentions every day. And I included all my custom work around it.

And what five days in? I haven't robbed it yet. All right. So Sami hasn't broke something.

So again, we're running the world's day in true to what we say. But yes, I don't know if I set myself any resolutions to have more fun. To not kill Chris. That's always a good one.

I think that's just a normal day to day. Mantra mantra that you have to read out to yourself. Don't kill Chris. It's like the film we're going to be talking about today.

I'm doing a different mantra. Hey, I'm a girl. Hi, I'm a girl. Yes.

So yeah, New Year, New Year was New in Ernie Up North. New era. New ownership, not ownership. New person in charge, shall we say?

Funny thing is, I've been in charge of the state of one really. So I'm talking. Certainly. So Sami's had a promotion.

Shall we say? I'm talking to the right. So, yeah, I'm taking a bit of a back seat. And we now have Sami that is in charge of YouTube, and Ernie Up North.

So all the videos, all the streams, all the people who come to me with ideas, now have to go to Sami. This bitch is the one that you have to mess with now. This one right here. Yes.

Fun times. Fun times ahead. You prepared to hear the word no-one lost. Take love with your sex here.

So yes. So do you want to do the first disclaimer of 2025? I will certainly do. So everything discussing today's episode, here's our opinions and our opinions alone.

If you would like to discuss anything from today's episode, I believe come and join us in the Facebook group. You can join us in the nerdy of North Discord or you can hit us up in the comments section where we can have an open discussion. But what we want to have is anyone come and present and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree and find them. So let's keep it fun.

Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of Nerdy's own. Very well said there. So starting off as we mean go on. I know we talked about this before, like say the end of year, this is going to be kind of like the new format where we start every month with a movie classical movie, something from like say an old school Hollywood or even, I would tell you like even new school Hollywood, but it has to what we would class as a movie classic.

They kind of fix in with the movie thing because we are going for the old Hollywood classics and we are going to hit out some big hitters. It is only going to be once a month. It is the new era of Nerdy of North, the classy, the demure. Yes, the sophisticated.

Yes, the sophisticated. Yes, we are trying to be all good. But yes. We are just trying to do something to be honest.

We are really doing something that accompanies everything that we love. Literally everything. Because if you watch the podcast you know me and Sami use the word cinema file where we don't just love modern movies or specific type of movies. We love pretty much all types of movies.

We have not really delved into some of our passions of classicals like some of our hot breakfast at Tiffany's, the Marx Brothers, La Rorland Hardy, all these different things that we can discuss. It might not be popular with the youth of the dear, go to watch a black white movie. We are going to tell you why you should give these movies a chance if you haven't. That is such a good way of describing it because these movies are timeless for a reason.

That is what we want to discuss and talk about. I feel like the Wizard of Oz episode we did last year got us crazy to say that we did that last year. It has kind of given us a step in stone into that of what the possibilities are that we could do with these old classic Hollywood movies. I am so happy that we get to start with what we are starting with today.

Yes and if I describe this again people always probably say, oh, hello to someone who is our star over exaggerating. This is, I have to even watch it again today, I would say it up there. One of the greatest movies ever made. And we will talk about the reasons why I will back up that statement with a lot of different facts, not facts, opinions and what you see or what you get from this movie.

It is timeless. It is beautifully filmed. Like the set pieces, the shots, the camera work, the action, like if you want stunts and like crazily how they did this in the movie or killed at times, it is amazing. And for an acting clinic, you will not get a better acted movie than this movie right here.

I couldn't agree with you more and guess what I have? To keep in line with past episodes, I have the taglines for this movie. Now what you've got to take into account is the taglines for classic movies are common from the likes of posters and newspaper articles. So you'll have to bear with us on some of the ones that are on here.

You're ready. Not since Scarface, so much action. Not since the Marx Brothers, so much comedy. Not since the seven year itch, so much Marilyn.

And we'll get into the dress as she wears this movie. Wow. How is this a PG? I do not know.

No idea. So you read this is my favorite one. The most comedy ever made, the biggest comedy ever made and the hottest comedy ever made. So I get hot.

And the movie too hot for words. Wow. And the last one is kind of a bit of a slap in the face of the two main leads in this book. Marilyn Monroe with him buzzing, I can't even say it.

Marilyn Monroe and her buzzing companions, Tony Curtis and Jack Lennon. Right. So I wouldn't have said them or her like two assets shall we say? But certainly now I remember watching this as a kid because my dad loved Little Black and White or so I used to get made well like got shown them.

This was the type of movie I would watch with like, why Christmas? It's a wonderful life. Like it used to be like, I would say a seasonal or Christmas or a bank holiday kind of fodder that we used to watch something like it hot. Like, fan off a lot of the jokes went over my head because I was too probably too young to get.

Yeah. But not just the jokes, but the action scenes and the mob scenes as well. Because this film was made in 1959. Wow.

So mob films and gangsters and species were the rage for these type of movies back then. And the opening of this movie, the way they filmed it with a car chase with the place and like say the bootleg and the bottles of whiskey in the coffins and stuff. The stunts, they're poles on this because I was watching them on how the full you've got cars. I don't know how fast they were driving because it was all the old, really ones with very much support going down to straighten America on the lot.

I would have been filmed on MGM lot. Going like skidding with people hanging on the side, not even in the cars and going to a stop and running off and chasing after the bad guys were guns. Like the stunt work in this was unbelievable, especially for the time. And like, and all now, they would never do it that way because health and safety don't be damned.

Absolutely not. Yeah, you're absolutely right. If we can just give people a bit of synopsis, just a brief synopsis of the film, just if nobody's seen it, this is about two musicians who managed to stumble in on a mob execution very same Valentine's day, a massacre style, if not the same Valentine's day, a massacre. And they end up going on the run subsequently, they're able to find a job where they can get away from it.

But the, you can look at it as a downfall or the upside is they get to, they have to dress up as women in order to do this, and then the adventure starts. And what exactly what you've said there, and if you think that from a 1959 film movie perspective, think of the tones of the time, think of people's beliefs at the time, they could have went really hard and nasty with the type of jokes they could have done, and they were nothing but respectful. And very much, if you made this movie now, you would get no complaints on how they handled that situation. There was one moment where I thought, shit, this is where it's going to turn a bit dark for now, for the time.

It was when Tony Curtis gets the phone call and he's on the phone, and he finds out that there have to be women, and he just was no, no. And I was like, oh, shit, where's that going to go? How is that going to go? And it doesn't go the way that you think it's going to.

It's just, he didn't want to be dressed up as a woman, which is fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. It's not fair, everyone. Some people might feel free, some people might feel uncomfortable. And again, that's their, like, prerogative, that's their, like, say, it's where their comfort zones are.

But they could have done this so cheaply, they could have done so many cheap gags based on, like, say, that type of humor that would have probably been around at the time. And not once. This is how good this film is and how clever the comedy was. There's not one cheap joke about cheap gag based on, on basically the fact that these two are dressed in women.

They're fully impressive. They have the time of life. Jack Lemon is one of the funniest things. Like, you can tell about how comfortable he starts growing in the role by the end.

And it's just something, but again, just to talk about the three main leads, like, Malamam Raw is absolutely stunning, phenomenal, breathtaking. And in this Tony Curtis, Sammy said it before, so I'm not going to say a line. You can see it. Tony Curtis, he had the hardest job on this film, because essentially he plays three characters.

He's initial character, he's woman character, and he's a millionaire character. And so he had the hardest job of them all. But what I said earlier, and I stand by this fully and hardly, that Jack Lemon is effortlessly funny in this. Like, he does it just, it's so easy for him.

It was such a pleasure to watch him and just, and not, and there was no, he wasn't trying to steal a scene, even though when he's standing in the scene with Marilyn Monroe, you're not looking at Marilyn initially, you're looking at him. But he's not intentionally doing it. He works with people. And he did the same with Tony Curtis as well.

He's just, what I learned today about Jack Lemon is that he is very much an actor. So he went on and did television initially. I think he was in like 400 episodes of something. He just done so much telly to when he realized if I'm going to be taken seriously, I need, and a lot of actors, if his time did this, they went to stage.

So they established a little bit of a name for themselves, and then kind of took themselves out of it. They were comfortable enough to take themselves out of it and go onto the stage, which is what Jack Lemon did. Like Jack Lemon does back there. He does come at it.

You don't think that this funny man that you're watching on this film has the capability of doing that, but Jack Lemon certainly goes, and then he comes back and does movies. So for me, he's kind of one of those actors, actors. I think the talent on screen is just breathtaking. Like 20 Curtis, I'd say a lot of people make jokes, that he gave us, like Jimmy D Curtis as well.

So like, say that's an actor in Tennessee just there. But his performance in this, as you said, he's got the three rules, and he plays them all perfectly. He's like, from the moment he comes on screen, he's smarmy, he's slick, he's one of those creeps that kind of makes you like the hairs on your hands stand up. But he's got the charm that he can't help, but actually he's got that leg ability.

And that that get, like he said, in that time, it gets him through so much, because we'll find out he's got a gambling habit. He's a womanizer. He's everything that's like, say, everything. What's basically, see, what's really acting too much there, but the switch when he was playing, like I said, a female character, Josephine, he changes his walk, he's changed his mannerisms, his voice, everything is done so well.

And then, as you said, you got Jack Lemon, who's just, again, I know, like not to do anyone down, he is the standout performance in this movie. You literally he's got that charisma that busy people would die for. Like, he could be funny and just by having a conversation. And he keeps, he's like the heart and soul of the movie as well.

And then as soon as she'll be in Marilyn Monroe walks on the screen and you hear the noise, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And she just, you cannot take your eyes off it. I don't think, and I know it's just done a lot of different things. And like, people always go seven years, seven years, she never looked as beautiful as any other movie than she did in this movie.

Yeah, I think I'm going to, I think now's the perfect time to talk about Marilyn in this movie, because, and I don't, and I am not, you've got to know me in order to know what I'm saying is not coming from a place of here or anything like that. I am Marilyn's number one fan. If not, if not her biggest fan, like I love her, it is beyond fandom when it comes to Marilyn for me. But she was a fucking nightmare on this film.

When I was trying to explain earlier, this, Paul was that Marilyn's, she's not that great of an actress. She is, she's a starlet. She's a beauty. But when Marilyn gets it, she really gets it.

But she takes a lot of work to get to that point. So in this movie, she had a really comfortable relationship with Billy Waddler. They really, rather already done seven year rich with that. He knew what to expect.

But because of that comfort level, it was very much taken advantage of. And by Marilyn, Marilyn had a vocal coach called Paula Stroudsburg, who would literally, I got the name wrong when I was telling you about them earlier. And she would literally blossom up, what Marilyn's asked every two minutes that she possibly could. And she would give her techniques in order to get her into the character.

And it would, it would completely, she would get nervous, she'd get nervous, she'd get anxious. And the whole thing would just go to pot to the point where, if you, if you really are paying very close attention to Marilyn's performance in this, you can see her eyes constantly going backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, because her lines are wrought everywhere you can't see behind her. There's a scene with the M, where she says, I'm sugar, sugar, that's written in the drawer, she pulls the alcohol out of. That's how much that's how bad it was.

And Billy would all that he was so gentle that he had some very choice words for her after the movie was finished. But he was so kind to run set to make her because he knew it was the nerves and anxiousness. And he knew it was Paula Stroudsburg who was getting into her head to get her into the where she was. So he would just say, we're going to couldn't press when you do it well, but the boys have got to make sure they are on their ear game as well.

They will be their fault, not yours, if they get it wrong. And he once, so Paula Stroudsburg was in so much of a pain. Marilyn would be performing to her, as opposed to the camera or whoever else she would be literally looking at her. And in the end, when Billy Wilder said could, he turned to Paula and went, was that good enough for you?

And after that moment, Paula Stroudsburg kind of took a bit of a step back and the whole thing started to change. But what you've also got to remember in this movie, Marilyn's pregnant. You can tell because they use light and very differently. The light was more focused on her face and other areas, shall we say.

And yeah, Marilyn's pregnant in this movie and Marilyn was pregnant before this movie and lost her child. And then she felt pregnant in this one. And there's another level of anxiety and another level of fear that she goes through. So she doesn't have the greatest time, but she didn't, she really, she, she alienated herself from the cast, eventually, like Tony Curtis and Jacqueline couldn't get any of her at half the time.

And it just got really uncomfortable to the point where when the wrapped up and the had the wrap party, she wasn't invited. Right, it's a shame though, because you took it really hard. Yeah, because when you watch the film back, there's no, you just think they must have had the best time just because the way they were going on, like Jacqueline was timing in this movie, like the way he has conversations and it does like little little things as well. Like the scene on the train, like there's two, there's a few things on the train, as probably one of my highlights, I'll be honest with you, like from when they get on the train and like initially meets Jocelyn and wasn't Geraldine changing the name, what was it, Dolly?

Was it Dolly? No, Geraldine and just just being a jerry. Oh, that's right. Yeah, because he says he doesn't like think what he didn't want to be called Geraldine.

I've just watched it. We've done so much today. I cannot remember. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's Dolly, I think it's Dolly, maybe wrong, kind of wrong, I apologize. But basically them two go on the train and they introduced like to the girls and Jack Lemmon is just one. Oh man, I'm in heaven, watching all these beautiful women in the 1950s, Nick Lizzier's, which is like, honestly, he's just sitting there smiling from eight air, like a Cheshire cart and then 20 cousins just keep reminding me of saying you're a girl and he's like, I'm a girl, I'm a girl, I'm a girl. I love the turnaround later on where he's like, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man.

I keep reminding yourself that and this movie is not an original plot. Right. It was written by Billy Wilder and his writing partner I.A.L. Diamond.

It actually comes from a screenplay of a French film called Fanfare of Love. In the same story, he just completely taken Flip down his head, returned American and the rest is history. But you were right though, the gangster's subplot is because of the time. Yeah, quite a bit.

That was very much because of the time. And when the movie was released, it was shown in a handful of cinemas as a preview. People walked out. All right.

I didn't like it. It was quite violent at the start, especially when the mobster sings. And there is no dialogue for the first seven minutes. Right.

No dialogue whatsoever. It's just all action, which is unusual for a movie of that time as well. You would have some formal introduction, not for this one, but Billy Wilder, Jack Lemon actually went to one of these previews where people were walking out and Billy Wilder just pulled him to one side and went, this is the funnier shit we've ever done. Don't doubt yourself.

I'm not cutting it, I'm not changing it. This will go out and this will be a hit. God bless Billy Wilder. Jack Lemon was willing to scrap the thing and start again.

And you said no, you went trust in what you've done because it's the funniest shit we've ever done. It's again, it's very ahead of its time for a lot of different aspects and a lot of different like towards, as you said, that action say no wouldn't be people wouldn't blink now. People just go right, we're getting into the movie, we're getting a feel for the movie. I know back in the day that people like to be in hand fed a bit and say this is what the story's going to be.

This is these are the good guys. These are the bad guys. You weren't really introduced to the characters in that way. And again, the two main characters like Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis's aren't squeaky clean.

The knots like wholesome, the not the perfect heroes type thing. And again, the story isn't like a natural happy love story either. Because it's complicated. It's basically tricking like the more of a most character to kind of like this fake millionaire.

Because to be fair, Marilyn Monroe is beautiful, which is going she's a bit of a gold digger as well. She just wants a millionaire so she can have an easy life. She's not really bothered. She wants someone to be kind.

She's sick of having shit. She's sick of having dealing with four players. Unfortunately, that's what Tony Curtis is. And he plays up to that role perfectly.

It's only near the end when he flips the script and he actually does fall for her in a way and he kind of comes out and becomes sick of it. He's just being himself. He's been the player that he's always been until then. Yes.

I think that's that's that's like the analogy as well. So again, it's not straightforward old fashioned love tale where everything's nicely put in a box or nicely put into things even like say the end joke, like say sorry to skip to the soil as well, it's basically Jack Lemon trying to explain to like say this old millionaire who's fallen in love with him. Why you can't marry him? He's like I can't marry him because I'll not fit in your mom's dress.

And he's like, it's like, it's like, I will get fit. He's like, I can't marry him because I smoke. He's like, no, I can't marry him because I've lived with a saxophone player for the last two years. And he's okay.

I forgive you. I can't marry you because I can't have children. That's okay. Yeah.

And then he takes the big office and says I'm a man. And he just doesn't even blink at this goes. Well, nobody's perfect. So it's just sure that he didn't just fall in love with the woman.

Which is a great, like, tab the balls that do that. I know it's a joke, but there's a lot on the line of messaging that as well. Oh, massively. And you don't think that he knows what he's looking at after he's taken the wig off because Oscar's staring straight forward.

But as the end comes up in the middle, Oscar looks at him and smiles. Yeah. So he knows exactly who's in front of him. That line is ad lived.

That is crazy that the most famous line in this movie and actually was in the top 48 famous lines of movies, like it was number 48 and was ad lived. Was he even written this script? But the way it finishes that way. I know it sounds cheesy as fuck this is, but it fills you with so much joy.

That there's that acceptance and stuff like that. You wouldn't even get that fucking acceptance now. And I had that the balls to put that in. And I know the copies didn't mean it to come across that way.

But to me, that transcends anything that happens like before or after. It's just a great story, a great, like, weird ender movie, the perfect ending. It was literally the perfect ending. But we can go to Tony Curtis and his eccentric billionaire voice and character.

Tony Curtis wanted to do an impression of Cary Grant. If you've heard Cary Grant, he does not sound like Cary Grant. But that was his interpretation of Cary Grant. And Bill absolutely loved it and said, fine, Cary Grant saw the parody of himself and went, I don't sound like that.

You've heard that Cary Grant is renowned for not having a sense of humour though. Yeah. But yeah. But if you've ever heard Cary Grant, he has an accent that because Cary Grant is from Bristol.

He's a Bristolian and his accent is nothing like what he, how he's for. And there's a very good doc series, like, yeah, doc series of Cary Grant played by the guy who played Lucy Smalthoy. Isaac, I can't think of what his name is, but the guy who played Lucy Smalthoy in Harry Potter series, he plays Cary Grant and it's absolutely phenomenal. If you love that era of Hollywood, you are going to absolutely love that.

But yeah, he wanted to do an impression of Cary Grant. It's a choice. It is a choice. But it's not my favourite character of Tawny's that he plays.

No, no, no, no, no. Josephine, still Josephine. Yeah. Josephine comes across quite aggressive.

And to Tony Curtis is quite playful and loving Geraldine, the scene with Jack Lemon with all the ladies in the book. And you just see that is just amazing. But the way the go on is well, this is like, we're not having a party. Like, let's be honest.

We've all been the parties. If we go to basically, like, say, Lee's house or Chris's house, it's a bit more sophisticated at Jix. But the party they have in this bunk bed, like, they're getting for moose, they're getting like all the different handsulas, they're going round looking for Maricino cherries. It's like, we're there.

And Jack Lemon's getting all sorts pushed into his face that he doesn't quite understand what's going on. Like, he doesn't realise what a girl party actually is until he's in the middle of it. And he is loving it. Until they start taking them and he starts to realise that things are not going to go the way they want us to.

Yeah. So that's when Josephine comes in. And the Pull the Emergency Brick, which is one of the thing again, I wonder how they did this gag because to do this safely, I don't think, I know it's a small fall, but there's probably about 16 women falling out of a bunk bed on the floor. And how no one got hurt during the film of that scene.

I don't know if it was crazy. All them ladies are absolutely beautiful. The one in particular who really caught my eye was the one who got in the bunk bed and said good night. And that's when Jack Lemon responds and he's like, oh my god, look at all these women.

And she is absolutely breathtaking. But what they did, because Jack Lemon wasn't convinced that people weren't going to be dumb enough to realise that they were men dressed as women. So they wanted to test the theory. So Jack Lemon, Johnny Curtis, put on them, he got put on their heels.

And they went to the Garthman studios when it was before it was the MGM. And they went into the ladies' toilet. And they stayed there. And ladies came in, ladies from the Trimed, and nobody back in the night, they even passed the lipstick over.

They got away with it. That is a bit creepy though. But they couldn't have done it in different places. They just literally just stood in the front mirror of ladies' toilet and just waited there.

And all these, because all the women were coming out of their rehearsals, all came, and you saw how many of them were on that train and they're on that train and they just started passing stuff around to get ready. And Josephine and Geraldine got mixed in with the bunch. So they managed to convince people. True, but we had a discussion before, before we were live.

I thought Jack Lemon pulled off the woman really well and looked beautiful. I had questions about Tony Curtis. You saw Tony Curtis looked all here. I thought there were certain angles at the face.

I was like, oh, I get it. I understand. What I liked is that you didn't look like Jamie in a wig. That's like a thought that can go in your head.

So I was quite pleased I didn't say that. But some silhouettes in some of the air profile shot to them. He looks good at the lady. Do you think it was Daphne?

It was Daphne. It was Daphne. There was a Daphne. Sorry.

It's just been buggers. That's why. So do you think in the Curtis households that Josephine ever came back in future parties and stuff? Because he knew it was very comfortable in that role.

They were both very comfortable in that role. Someone said, if you knew Jack Lemon's mother, you knew Jack Lemon's character. They did it down. He did it to the hair.

From the hair, the mannerisms, the way that she walked, the way that she dressed, he did his mother. He impersonated his mother. Tony Curtis, I'm not too sure. I think just Tony just threw something on and went that will do.

But Tony, Tony's household, Jamie Lee doesn't come out quite a lot. Not so great words about her father. She doesn't speak 11 because he is dead. But she recognises that her household was very difficult.

But Tony fought for that house. So Tony was in the contract and he met Janet Lee. And the studio was trying their hardest to keep them two apart. Literally put and bury it up on barrier in front of them.

And Tony knocked every single one of them down for her. And the end of being married for some time, that too gives together. I'm not saying everything was all hunky-dory, but he fought a studio. And at the time, that's huge.

Tony Curtis had the name to do that though. That's the thing. No, you got the part four. Oh, God, Richard Burton entered a plane.

I read this earlier. What was the what was the film with Taylor and Richard Burton? It's not Cleopatra. Oh, God, that is going to absolutely bother us.

Can't think of what it is. But he gets offered all these massive roles. And Tony, Jack is so particular on what he does. What the hell was Richard Burton in?

But he was afraid of Virginia Woolf. Right, okay. Yeah. He got the part for it.

And then the following day went, no, I don't want it. Sorry. I think it's one else. I think at the time in Hollywood, that was quite unusual because if you were signed to a studio, you were doing so many films per year per day.

Sometimes some actors worked on two films a day, like per day. I think he's gone one step to the other. Just to keep going, because it was just like the machine as it described back in the day. Yeah.

And some of them really wanted to get out their contracts quicker. So they would do a lot of movies quicker. And contract work was it sounded great because you would tie you to a studio and that studio essentially would have your back. That's what you initially thought until you were there.

And they don't. You don't really say that much these days. No, no, you're doing some places, but it's not as prevalent as what it was then. I think it's more directors than actors now.

Yeah, you probably write a director attached to his studio rather than like a certain actor. Yeah, the only way I can think of it is when actors don't have to audition maybe because of some form of contract. I don't know more about the contractual side of old Hollywood than I do of what it is right now. I think the only person I can think of in today's climate that has a similar kind of deal is Chris Nolan with Warner Brothers.

Yeah, probably right. So like, yeah, you contracted to do X amount of movies for us to the club. Adam Sandler with Netflix. Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, that's a good point. Because then you've got, um, my mind has just gone completely blank today. What's his name? He didn't midnight mass and my plan again.

My plan again. That's right. He had an ex Netflix deal now. He's got an Amazon deal.

So that is probably around the same kind of feel. That was back then. Now, one thing I do want to touch on because again, I'm not going to try and ignore the fact that two dresses that they put Marilyn Monroe in in this film, they weren't dresses. They were negligible, shall we see it?

Yeah, I don't know how they got away with this in the time. I know they probably got away with certain aspects with Leiden, but everything was onshore. More to do with the fact that it's shot in black and white. So there's a few reasons why it's shot in black and white.

However, Marilyn in her contract had a clause that all movies had to be shot in color. And Billy Wilder had to convince her with footage of the movie in color to show her why they couldn't do that. Because Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis look green. The makeup that I understand that because I know makeup a lot better now, but I understand what they probably would have used.

There is a green concealer that you can use to your face that will kind of make you a bit more peeler. It's kind of give you a bit more of a greenish look. So it would have really helped with the skin tone of them to, you know, around the cheek area, around the beard area. But on camera, it just shows up and it does in certain lights.

If you don't blend it to the, you know, to the deaths, it will show up as green. So we had to convince them and her that this needs to be shot in black and white. And that probably helped out with the dress, especially the dress where she sings, I want to be loved by you. Yeah.

That is sheer. That is almost kind of like the same material look as the Mr. President's dress, but actually more revealing. Yeah.

I think she didn't have note on the top. No, I think there was sparkles over where the nipples were being. But the handbag stones that diamond these, oh, I actually love that though. Yes, that's definitely sparkles.

There was definitely a titty sparkle in there. Well, I think that was the only thing that was covering up the nipples. Then the other dress, I've known that the other dress where it was translucent to whether she runs towards the ship at the end. Because that's the one where you get the kiss, as like, as well as, as, as, as, as Josephine, where he's dressed as Josephine kisses her and everyone's taken shock it.

And it's like, Beanstark! Because women kissing women's no no in in in empties. Never mind what my address is a woman. But you see her in that dress and she's running along the dock and I'm like, oh shit, she's falling out everywhere.

But you don't just see a front when she turns around the back, you see everything on the back as the back is completely safer as well. Yeah. I was like, fucking hell. What what I love though is the initial dress which you can see on the promotional picture in here in the shot.

And if you want this in an audio, it is the dress that she's wearing when she first sings, running wilds, you see every curve every bump, every like, Marilyn. She is a mini. She is a mini. Yeah.

Marilyn wasn't your typical figure of a Hollywood star that she wasn't straight up and down. She had curves, she had bumps, she was very, but she was so comfortable around all the skin that it just, it works and that whole scene. She's like all over the place. I was watching the making of before we came on and that scene with the running wild, she actually has a choreographer in front of her who she's mimicking.

Right. And the choreographer is getting a bit carried away. So when she's like shimmy and she's like, you know, when she just, she kind of stops and then she's like, she's like, she's like, shimmy and it's because he's just in a world of his own and just going off one doing all these shimmies and shakes and she's trying to keep up with him. So she's kind of like mimicking what he's doing.

So what you're saying is we should get Chris to try and mimic this dance and with that dress on as well. I, this isn't to be honest, apart from the black satin dress that she wears, I'm not a huge fan of Marilyn's wardrobe throughout this. I'm not too keen on the dress from when she's singing in the cabaret. And it's, but I'm really spoiled when it comes to Marilyn Monroe's outfits when you look at the seven year age or how to marry a millionaire and there's no business like show business.

There's so much more better than here, which is the shame, but that's just personal opinion. No, no, no, I had no complaints about obvious reasons for what to do. But like everything from, like, not just Marilyn's dresses, but all the outfits that everyone went from, even like the gangster's spats, like them old shoes and like, say, how they run that, how they run the speakeasy vibe instead of saying it was whiskey, they said it was coffee. Coffee, I love that scene, kind of another cup of coffee.

Great, can you answer me this? Because I guess that's the same question and he was like, I'm thinking it's part of the shoe design. So did you know the shoes like, I always pictured gangster shoes when I was a kid and when I used to draw them was the black shoe with the white on the top and it was the shoe. These look like covers on the top.

That's what the spots were the covers. That's what it is that what they're called or I mean, I could have googled this, but I couldn't be bothered. I'm not sure. I know the spots was a type of shoe, but he wore the shoe covers because he got that mobster in Czechis and they were clean.

Yes. And he says, can you clean my spots? Can't you? So you're not the entire spots.

So that was the thing. So I think it was kind of like a shoe cover, but like what I loved about this, every single mobster kind of cliche here is used. You've got two thick Charlie who's sitting there with a two pig in his mouth, even when he's gunned down by a mini gun. He's still got his two pig in his mouth.

That's what walks over and kicks it out with his mouth. Yeah, but someone made a run goes, yeah, they got that toothpick and the golden plate. It looks really good. Some of the funniest scenes are with these mob bosses.

Right. You've got this dime star hood who's standing on the corner of the thing. Hey, see, flicking a coin up in the end. I was like, that is sort of typical 40s gangster.

You could not have been more stereotypical if you tried. No, and it was so annoying as well because he just kept doing it over and over again. But it's the guy. I think it's the policeman.

He goes, Hey, Spatsy. No, I couldn't stop laughing. I'm like, what's that? You take on that.

I was like, the copper bar for the hey, Spats. I said, you're here. And he's like, Hey, copper. I was like, Oh my God.

But then you go, the mobster trying to hide his tummy gun in golf. It's not loaded. Oh, no. Any other one hides in the trousers.

And it's not loaded. And then he's on the leg has all the bullets. It's like probably cliche. One thing again, and again, this is very much of the time, but probably not of the time as well because this thing still happened.

It showcases how women are trapped by the opposite sex from the bell boy from the rich guy failing them up till the mobster's going, Oh, I'm going to basically come to your room and stuff like that. And even the bell boy said, don't worry about leaving your door when I've got the key. How sinister are them type of things? And again, I know those things still happen to do if you go on holiday at different countries.

Oh, my friend went to America on a business main and she got asked felt by three different men from America. In that mean doing thing that can do stuff like that. So people basically are still doing it. But this film showcases in a way that like, you kind of love on it.

Well, it's kind of broken for our people, but men for being that stupid. Yeah. And it's again, when you talk about the progression of this movie, it's Tony Curtis and Jack Lemon recognize and shit, look at how these, look at how these get you like we have to do better. We got to do better.

And this film, like Paul mentioned earlier, progression is such a powerful word throughout it because of the, you know, there's a lot of subjects in here that could have been really taken and really turned on its head and to a place where we could be looking at this very differently and analyzing it very different. But it is almost, it reminds me so much of, and it sounds really daffy to see with the Golden Girls. Yeah. The Golden Girls.

The Golden Girls are so ahead of its time when it comes down to the topics that shouldn't be talked about or was too difficult to talk about. It kind of reminds us of that in a way. But it goes to the credit of the cast of the crew of the writers, everyone involved in this, all is on the same page. When I was reading about Tony Curtis, who, I don't know why I always remember this, but he's real name is Bernard Schwartz.

I took it. Oh, I don't know why I remember what he's real name is. But I do. And he actually broke a Hollywood, massive Hollywood taboo well before this movie came out 1950 by Insistin that Sidney Poitier starred with him and was top billing on the defiant ones.

You don't do that in 1950s and that in Hollywood. You don't act for a Black actor to be top billing and just to have as many writers as what a white actor does, it doesn't happen. So for Tony Curtis to do that kind of explains his role in this film. Yeah.

I don't think many other people would have pulled, well, I don't think anyone could have really pulled off what they did to the level. And that's probably why when we talk about films being remeared or redone, I don't think this film ever would be in the category of being a remir. Now, I've got a question for you as well because I know they did do this with a few white movies. There is a color version of this movie.

Have you watched it? Yes. What did you think? I didn't like it.

No, I was really taken out of it. And it's probably because of how much I know this one, how much I know the black and white one. And it's, it's so strange because recently, I mean, again, if you know me, you know this, and I'm a huge, I don't want to say a fan that is such the wrong word, but I have such an interest for the JFK assassination. It's ridiculous.

If I've watched one documentary, I've watched a thousand and I watched a new one the other day where he actually showed you it in color, the whole event of, you know, of Dallas, Texas in color. And it totally changed my perspective on the whole day. It made it real. As when I've watched the documentaries before, you can kind of distance yourself from it.

This really kind of changed the perspective and I was like, shit, and that's almost the same when you watch this. It kind of changes the tone. I don't know why it does. It shouldn't make as much sense.

But in the black and white, it hits harder. There's more impact. I don't know why it's more punchy. I don't know if maybe the color's a bit more distracting, like you're looking away from things that you're not meant to be looking at because of the color, but because it's black and white, you're focusing on what's in front of you, the actors and like their performances and stuff.

And you just totally engrossed and you go along with the ride from the movie so much more than I thought. And why you just get taken out of it. No, you do. And massively because, and again, it's because your perspective has completely changed, which is how I felt the same of this documentary that I've seen that footage a hundred million times.

And it's still it had a completely different effect on it. When I watched it in color, just like what this does, the funniest taken out for some reason. And it probably is the concentration levels are heightened because of all this color around you or stuff you've not seen, because you know this movie to be in black and white. I did watch on the makeup knob.

It showed you how it would have looked in 1950, you know, because I'm watching it on BBC iPlayer. It's very clear. It's incredibly clear. It looks like Marilyn's going to walk out and be screened at one point.

And it's so grainy and it's it's so weird to see it so disjointed. And yeah, but that's that's how Phil and that's that's the beauty of technology to do. We get things cleaned up and tidied up. I need to say that this is a shiny PhD as well.

Like again, there's aspects of this vehicle, but not just like the humor aspect and like say the everything that goes on. The story as well is so much fun. Like when they go to the hotel and they haven't and in terms of like basically Jack Lennon and Tony Curtis have run away from the mob and I think get the furthest away as possible. But just so happens that the hotel that they're performing at there's a big mob meeting where they're having a discussion regarding the future of who's going to be running the mob.

And again, in the most stereotypical way because Spats has basically killed two big Charlie because it was an informant, but also with being who he was. He was a friend to the big big mob boss. So there was going to be repercussions. And they use a guy coming out of a birthday cake with a tummy gun.

And it's just the whole thing is like, oh, we've decided to throw you a birthday party in Spats is like, it's not my birthday for four months. And he's like, yeah, yeah, we're just, we'll do it early. We'll just celebrate it. It's like, why wouldn't you get the fuck out of them?

I know. And the funniest part of the whole thing, you don't get to see the shooting because you go straight underneath the table where Tony Curtis and Jack Lennon are hiding. Which by the way, if you ignore this, fuck it, Johnny Curtis, Jack Lennon did that whole scene in heels. He's running around all over the place in heels and Tony Curtis has got flats on.

But yeah, you go into the table with them too. And you come back out at the end when everyone's been shot in their all lying there dying and Spats is like, oh, I knew this was happening. I knew this was what happened. And then he just was and then three lights go off behind him and he's there's no shot in him.

No, it's so funny. But it was intentional, but it was hilarious. So that's why you didn't need like, even when they're starting to have gun shots at the cars, you could hear the noises and think we never seen the bullets fly. But again, that's just the effects that you have in the doing what they can.

It's like, they don't need to say that. They don't need to prove someone's getting the hedge blown up. It's just like, you can take yourself like, say, in that type of like, more than to kind of enjoy it. I have to say, I know we've talked a bit like, say, like the tones of this movie.

This is probably one of the most wholesome movies you can watch from start to finish. Like, there's like, you laugh along, you enjoy. This is a movie you can watch with your parents, your grandparents, your nieces, nephews, your sons, your daughters. This is one of those movies that is just for everyone.

And it's very, very rare that a movie is like that. Because people say, I'm not going to watch that stuff for me. Literally, this movie has everything, anything for everyone. Like, you watch where you will get something from this movie, what your humor is, what kind of like, how you like a story.

It's just like one of the, like, universal great movies. Yeah, it's, it's an intention. It almost comes across from types unintentionally funny, even though the jokes are all written in there, because they're just done so effortlessly. When I said to me, my mom and dad earlier today that I'm going to do in this episode, and that we're going to be looking at more classic Hollywood movies, my mom was like, oh, well, watching that stuff.

I was like, oh, okay. There's one thing I want to mention before I put my laptop down because it started doing me heading. And I mentioned earlier, Jack Marilyn and the whole difficulty of her. There was one person who kind of had her back.

And I think this is like, I think this just echoes everything we've been saying about him throughout the whole of this episode. It was Jack Lemon. He was the only one who kind of forgive everything she did. And and it was something I've just been reading out.

Somebody knows. And he just, he believed Marilyn simply couldn't go on in front of the camera until she was absolutely ready. The matter of everyone else wasn't like she had to be ready. And he said she knew she was limited and God damn it, and God damned well knew what was right from Marilyn.

He said she wasn't about to do anything else. He also said that although she may not have been the greatest actress of Singapore comedian, she used more of her talent, brought more of her gifts to the screen than anyone he ever knew. Yeah, that's just lovely. And this is, he's Jack Lemon died in 2001.

Did I say earlier? Yeah, it was around about that time. I can say. Yeah, he was 76 years old and he died of cancer.

It's something that he'd been suffering from for a couple of years. And at least funeral, there was a certain actor who says one of the most beautiful things about him was that he was a genuinely beautiful human being. He was the person who who was part of Hollywood, but didn't allow Hollywood to take part of him. And I thought that was such a testament to him.

I've probably in this one episode, this one movie alone, it'd probably come of very huge Jack Lemon Fund. That's what you get from doing things are looking into films like this as well. Because again, when we do like the Nerdio North Reviews or Pick a Film or Pixel that we do, we normally do pick something that we love, but we try and think of like, I'll be something that the community will get from it or something that might be weird enough that people think, Oh, we'll check that out. This one, this movie, again, is a little bit of a selfish one for me to you.

I'm not going to lie about that. But if anyone else is listening or watching along, I've never seen this movie, please, please go and check this out. You will be surprised at how good this movie. And if you don't like it, fair enough, I can understand it's like, say it's black and white, people don't like black white movies.

Try and look past that, try and get past like the thing that or it's all just just enjoy it because you're not watching a better movie than it's today. All these are the best and the best for the reason. The reason Hollywood is emulating it now is because it can't do better than what it did. And this is one of them movies.

You can't have another sun-legged heart. It just wouldn't happen. And Cassie Hollywood is amazing for a reason. And never look at a movie and go, I was back and wait, I can't watch that.

No, the only movies I ever stood with is anything that's subtitled. I can't, and that's what obvious reasons when I can't save them until I can't read. But there's reasons why people keep going back and watching these. There's people who keep going back and trying to find out or read about Marilyn Monroe.

When you see her in this movie, again, forget about everything that went on behind the scenes. Forget about anything like about you've heard about her. She is magnetic. Literally, you cannot take your eyes off the screen.

You cannot like say literally, it's breathtaking. And she is something that we will never have again. No, we will never, we will never, well, and even though everything that I've said about her, and again, you have to remember it comes from love with her. It is beyond fandom with me.

But think of everything that I've just said to you about Marilyn Monroe, and then watch the film and think how the fuck did all of that take place when she is good as what she is. That's Marilyn. Marilyn was good at being Marilyn Monroe. That was her job.

That was her acting job. Trying to try watching this movie and not falling in love with that. I want to say if the movie I did fall in love with her, but it's not. There's no business like your business, which is one of the fit.

She's not even in it that long, but that's how much of an evil mermaid in that film for God's sake. And I still can't not think of Marilyn in it. But yeah, this is this is a top bill. And she is top bill.

Marilyn Monroe film. Can't take that away from her. No, I think that's a nice place to kind of end that on that point. I don't want to add any more to it.

The only thing I would probably say is go and watch the movie, check it out. Experience what we've just described. Experience the humour that Billy Wilder can bring to the screen from the 1950s and still have you sitting in 2025, laughing at tits off. Because that's what it did.

It's on, if anyone in the UK is on BBC iClear, if anyone wants to go and watch it, along with Seven Year Rich and have at Malio and your billionaire. A millionaire. Nevermind what your joint is. Yes.

So next week is going to be an emotional one. Next week I can imagine there's going to be tears. A lot of tears possibly come more from Paul and me. Maybe you could have both, actually.

Probably a bit of both. So next week, yeah. So next week is about Op. Next week is about believing a man can fly.

He did though. He did. He flew higher than anyone else has ever done in this world. Haven't even watched it out yet.

I feel myself, I'm going to cry. They can't have an even watch. I've written because a part of my new schedule, I have to wait until when I can put my schedule, allows me to watch this. But I'm prepared.

No one more now than what I've ever done about Chris Reeves. I am unprepared for this to be an emotional episode. It's been a long time coming. I've talked about these movies because I think they've been bridging.