Hey everyone and welcome to a new episode of the Nerdy of North Podcast. It's the Nerdy Podcast hosted by two northern nerds. I'm Moni Hosan. Now I'm the host Paul and today it's just...
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Blasher. No, so yes, we are gonna talk about this new Spider-man movie being released like the only a few days ago. So just to pre-warn everyone as well, if you are watching this, not straight away about at some point during this podcast, we will be getting into the new film and we will be giving a few spoilers away. So again, watch to your hard content, but if anything is spoiled, we'll rewind you and it's not our fault.
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I'll curl. Yes. So again, I'm a huge place in my heart for the good old web head, the wall crawler. Probably one of the first superheroes that wasn't DC or Batman that I got into and steered with.
So I think a lot of Marvel, especially the heroes I do have problems when it comes to the comics, because let's be honest, Marvel villains suck compared to the DC counterparts. But that's the one thing that Spider-Man has one of the strongest aspects to him. He does have some of the best rogues gallery that has been in comics for a long time. And that's again, that's my opinion.
I know some probably disagrees with me a little bit. No, no, I don't want to be here. You are right. Marvel villains aren't great.
They're by any stretch. And especially if you compare them to DC, they're really not that great. Now a huge model by everyone knows that. And I have no shame in it, but you are right.
Spider-Man does have the best villains and it's taken us a really long time to get to appreciate it. And I'm so glad that we're doing this today because I see after seeing the new film, I've been really conflicted. Right, okay. So I'm glad we're going to talk about it.
I feel like I need some therapy on this. And so I am pleased with talking about it. But it was actually one of the things that the only question I really had for you is what does Spider-Man mean to you? It's always the most relatable from growing up.
Being like, I say, the nerdy teenage boy and not really feeling like I fit in anywhere. Spider-Man kind of like gravitors because he's just a normal kid who gets this responsibility for me sure. There's any most of the time it makes the right decision or the good decision. Does that make sense?
It's like, we have a great response for the league. We have power comes with a response for the arcade mess and I'm not. It's difficult to say, I got into Spider-Man probably through the cartoon. I think it was ITV in the mornings.
The music is in Spider-Man cartoon. That came out, I think it's on Disney Plus now. Really was quite a, like I said, before it's time. I got into all some of the graphics now is a bit jawny and the artworks not pristine.
But it still had a lot of passion. And the voice actors in it as well was done really well. That and like X-Men cartoon was around about the same time. I think we're done by the same people, especially the same artwork.
It looks very similar, but it kind of introduced it to like a lot of the raw gallery that we're seeing now. And all back then, like the main villains of the used was like King Pin and Smile and like I said, Doc, I always used to play about it. But now we're getting to see live action versions of this and it's just hitting home a lot more and it's becoming a bit more in-bud. Like some of my favorite comics as well going back is like, like I said, the amazing Spider-Man and how much the art costs now and some of the characters that they have brought in and led into.
And I quite like how other characters kind of bleed into Spider-Man as well because you get like the dead build spin-offs, you get the dead level always plays a part with them within living in the same type of area and stuff like that. So that kind of element always does kind of brings us, I think Spider-Man ties in a lot of stuff, especially when it comes to the comic realm and hopefully in the Marvel Universe going forward. Yeah, I get it because I kind of get it and I don't get it because Spider-Man for me, I can understand for your self and your husband why he means so much because at the time when he was getting into it, you've got you've got someone relatable to you there, whereas I don't get that because I'm not going to understand that but I'm not a huge fan of Spider-Man and never have been and I'm not jumping on a bandwagon because the new Spider-Man films come out. I do generally like them and I'm not, I will, if you know, if it's an interesting read, I'll read it but I'm not a big massive fan.
What I am a big fan of is the Spider-Verse as a whole. Jessica Drew is one of my favorite characters and I really enjoy Silk with Spider-Gwen is the one who really like catapulted into the Spider-Verse and I absolutely adore her. But her universe is completely separate to Spider-Man's Earth. How was it this wrong?
This is 616. I can't remember. There's too many of them all in the letters to give a talk about. The original Marvel universe where Spider-Man, where your origin of Spider-Man comes from, she's not from there in hers.
Peter Parker is the bad guy who, it's so much, she has so much fun and she's expanded further than ever thought she would do. But yes, Spider-Man's just not, I'm not shitting on him by any stretch of imagination. I'm really not. I just don't get the level of excitement as everyone else does.
I can say that because I say it is very much like a boy's boy's calling. Originally it was, I would say the female characters in it were really strong female characters. I know MJ did become an all in rights, one of the stars being the Donald Dans on the distress. They didn't treat Gwen's day as he with much care blesser.
They did try to write that wrong with them. How was it then? I think that was because they brought her back didn't they? When she changed timelines, Gwen came back and got a bit of a redemption.
Gwen's doing well as Spider-Gwen but in a completely separate universe. I think the first, I think the first, I suppose it didn't start, it was a strong character and it was Felicity Cardi, Black Camp. It would later become quite a pit of the rule but again it was more femme, fatale, this beautiful woman in a sexy Black Camp outfit rather than being a standout type of, type of, trying to think the right word. But now Spider-Man's came into, like I said, with a Spider-Verse, there's so many different possibilities.
I talked different things asking him out but, like I said, that was probably my first awakening when it comes to Spider-Man was the car owned then getting into the comics and all there's been a lot of integrations and a lot of changes in the comics and there was a lot of big moments like Civil War, Peter Potter, if we reveal to the word, was actually that changed comics for a long time. I was never a big fan of the Ultimates, that was always something that didn't quite, even with the X-Men comics wise but my goal too always was the amazing Spider-Man, like the originals, the comics just for looks wise and absolutely beautiful like covers. Was that Tony Collins time? No, no, that was probably, well, that was probably the time when I was a kid reading them, but I preferred all the ones like the looks, the actual, like I know I shouldn't really say it, but like some of the covers were better, not make sense?
No, it's because it just because it's just because it's just because it's just a strange, if you go back to see if it's a safety force, stop a strange, then we'll give it a madness and shit. Honestly, it's absolutely, it's absolutely, it's absolutely, it's absolutely, it's a lot of detail. I always find that with all the comics, there's a lot of detail and it's absolutely mesmerizing the look at but if you want to get at the story you're going to have to really read hard. Certainly, definitely, but it's good when you say like, as you said with the time and fun like the Broadway, the young man's like venom and stuff like that, that's, that was when like Spiderman probably back to the mainstream and brought it back to me a bit dark and a bit edgy as well, like they did with the Dark Knight Returns and stuff around about the same time.
I think the Dark Knight Times was a bit earlier because I think Tom Mafform was early 90s. Early 90s, yeah, because it's the, it's the straw that brought the candles back was told and him leaving Marvel completely in stone image. I don't know if anyone's ever watched it, but it was an early in documentary called Image Revolution and it talks about the guys, the big guys at the time, Lee Van Marvel in DC, in Jim Lee left. Yeah.
Lee Van Marvel. He's not done bad for himself. That was a good thing. He's positioned right now.
No, he's not done bad. But he left it all. They kind of knew their words like, watch, watch, Tom Mafform was bringing the Spiderman at the time was unreal numbers, like absolutely unreal numbers. And he wasn't getting any of the credit for it.
But it's not his character. Yeah, if that didn't happen, though, we wouldn't get sworn. No, we wouldn't. Honestly, we wouldn't.
And but it's honestly the documentary is unreal because you see these men here, you don't realize how big comics was in the 90s, like, and what it kind of, it was all the biggest movies. But the crazy thing is, it's not that they really went bust. That's the problem is, there was no big, but they had that much of an influx. Like, you think now is bad with all the different variants and different issues.
Back then, it was impossible to keep up. Oh, there's a lot of things in life to try. I haven't liked to try. I just like to pick out issues that I think would be good.
I would never try and start a run from the 90s. But the image revolution, then all joining images, the reason that man had his back broken is because that DC had to do something, Marvel had to do, something these guys were taking over comics, they hadn't had another competition. It was only the two of them. And then I had a third in the mix.
And it's almost like wrestling in a way. We had to go on with that. It was the very mark. He's doing an event back then, how about through the string?
That would be so funny. But just Rob Liefeld is part of it. And I love it. Sorry, Rob Liefeld is the sliders.
Because obviously Rob moved along with him. Like he was part of the Marvel fan, like the Marvel club. And he moved to Image and started to be his own company about it. But he's in pressure of time of my father in his hilarious.
I know, I don't want to shoot anyone, but the fact that he's a solid artist and something gives me all that I can still draw these. It's the way he draws legs and feet. I was like, I'm not going to chest. It's like he's one of his.
I am honestly, I am not honest. Caroline will tell you this. I cannot even draw it much like with Jesus. Even I can see the different like the body.
Oh, he's terrible. He's so bad. So bad. He's kind of done that poor well, but that goes more simple, easy character.
He's just an industry with eyes. But it wasn't, it wasn't a stretch. And look at who we worked with. That he worked with Todd McFarland.
If you take their poor structure to Spiderman's, there's not a lot of great difference really is there. It's called Mavrodi now. Is he actually a set? Put it on his.
Little chest naming reference there. People want to know what's the best. But yes, back to the wall call of this. Yes.
Next thing, going back to the movies, this is probably some old X-Men start the careers with the movies. But I think this, when this film got released, that opened the floodgates for everything to come afterwards. I know we're talking about what I don't think people realize how big I think it was 2002. Was it?
2001. When this came out, how much it changed movies for superheroes? Because this is, again, when you rewatch it now, the CGI isn't as a bit score-view in and you can't see them when MJ is on the building. And the thing starts to move away, you can see the green screen back.
You can clearly make out where the green screen comes in. Where it doesn't? It's very sketchy, but it did start something. Yes.
And I remember, because I laughed at it when I came to the last time I watched it, because I think this was one of the other big careers when I had 30 or 40-year-olds teenagers in school. So it was quite weird seeing all these high school kids and you think, there's a new year, you're 16. There's a new year, 15. And I didn't even try that to pretend.
But I still love Alexia. What's he called? Is he called Flash Thompson? And Joe McInnelloff.
Joe McInnelloff. Absolutely perfect. Who loves St. His name, Joe Manginelloff.
But perfect casting for Flash. He is like, what they've pretty much taken from the comic and put on the screen as that element. I was never sold, well, I'd say, at the time I loved him, but now after what we've got recently or even in the past, the Spider-Man we got then. I can't remember his name now.
It's a bit funny when I'm headed. Could be my guy, yeah. I told me we're quiet. I didn't quite fit the role as Spider-Man.
Well. Because see, Spider-Man's like Batman. You've got Peter Parker and you've got Spider-Man. You've got Bruce Wayne, you've got Batman.
So do you feel that it was both of the elements that didn't fit? Or was it? Because it was too, it wasn't, it was just, always looked like he was shocked. If you look at his screen, he always has like a shop look.
He's crazy. He never quite had the innocence of Peter. But he didn't have the cutiness when he was Spider-Man. He didn't think like the Cheekiness or the like the arrogance stuff.
Yeah. That's Spider-Man has when he's in the, when because the thing that you love about Spider-Man, when he's, because he's a bit of a dick, he's tricky. He's funny. He'll take the piss out.
Yeah. As he's, as he's stopped me from Robin. But, um, I can say at the time, I actually don't remember. Um, because I didn't, unfortunately I didn't actually get to see it at the pictures when I first came out.
I got it from a VHS at same booty. Same car boot sale. Going back to Elkhai Road. I was scumbag days.
Yeah. Um, because at, because at the time, I think the big releases used to come out like a month before in America. So it was all over same car boot sale. Um, we never came out of Giggly.
No. So, and that was my thing. I went to say after I did watch it at the booty, just because I wanted to experience it. Um, I sold, I mean, it was like the story and like the suits.
I think like even, um, I have bone saw. What was he called? My money. Bone saw is really.
Yeah. But it definitely got a Sam Raimi feel as well. Some of the effects of some of the camera angles. It also had Bruce Campbell in it as well.
If you were confused, it was a Sam Raimi spell. And then Bruce Campbell shows up like, yes, I get it. I get it. You're in it.
Um, I did watch it. I did leave the other day. And honestly, I found it really fun. Like, it was fun to watch.
Yeah, it's in David. Like say, I'm cursed, because I'm done since my MJ with a badly dyed red hair. Um, That's not talking about the dyed red hair. That's not good.
I wasn't going to get a dig in, but I don't know. I thought it was, like, as I said, quite sweet. Okay. I think at the time it was revolutionary, but it hadn't aged well.
The first one. But again, coming on to what you mentioned about the Netflix, I think there was about rights, um, because I think Disney Plus now we're buying up, um, I'll get in permission from Sony to put the Spiderman films on there. So you'll be saying them leave Netflix soon to order Disney Plus. But as I said, I think with, um, going back to the X-Men 2, was the better X-Men film where Spiderman 2 was the better Spiderman film out of the Tommy McQuay stages, just because of how grand it was.
I know we've not touched on it. The bad guy in Spiderman 1, William Befour, is the Green Goblin, was pretty and casted. But hidden behind that stupid mask, he didn't really get the full impression. It was almost like a Hugo Weven in V for the Endeavour type of face, where you've got this amazing actor who can portray so much emotion in the face.
Yeah. You don't ever see it? No. Yeah.
You can't see such a great character actor. Like you can do anything. And that was kind of proven in the new one. So I got to jump forward, but like, the new one got it right, where you can see the evil, it's not just, you know, the mass mix of evil.
He's in there, has been evil in Weven for us, just that boy, you smell that voice. Yeah, that laugh, that laugh. Oh, my goodness. There's more and more about Chills, like actually going calls.
And it's because of him. And I wasn't, um, who, I really don't like Frankel in these films. No. I really don't.
No, to be fair, Frankel was not very, I think the only film I actually did enjoy Frankel in was this, and this is the end. This is the end. And he was playing himself. Yeah.
Exactly. Well, he was playing, he was playing a quite a loose version of himself. Let's be honest, because Frankel has got some, got some issues. Um, but I just didn't like, uh, the cheesy and smartly.
Yeah. There was, there were more memories like, he's saying to Emjian that balcony scene, and he's like, I think we should go in and get a drink. And he's just so bloody, smartly about it. And just, oh, he makes me see me to be skin crawl.
Yeah, he wasn't like the hurry I was one. I'd read about comics where he was like friendly, like, even a little bit warped, but still, like, you could see why Peter Parker was his friend. But with this one, he didn't understand the connection. And we shouldn't have been friends.
No, but yeah. But moving into, like, to go on back to the second one as well. Mm hmm. Like when you think about the custom, like Alfred Moyer has Doc Ock cannot be replaced as we found out.
And if anybody really has not been replaced, Anthony loves this character and love the actor who played him. Maybe loves the second film. Um, so when he saw him, well, now he was so all like, so hyped that he was back again, because he just, he wanted to see more. Oh, 100%.
Mm hmm. Like, this was some really Spider-Man evil dead film as well, especially when you see, like, when they're trying to remove the tentacles from all dark in that waiting room. And they do all the camera angles and then there's one falls on the chainsaw. And they're doing, it was so evil dead that, um, maybe a couple of, I was like, laughing away, especially some of the camera angles, like, all the feminisms to the previous tree scene in the evil dead.
Yeah. And the following around, but made him saw a sinister and like, actually made, like, you could think, like, Spider-Man doesn't stand his chance for this guy. Yeah, there was some, there was some hard realization that you might actually get out of this. Mm hmm.
He's, he's hard as, he's hard as f. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of things with the Spider-Man films, um, especially the older ones. And again, even with the new ones now, it does teeter on the edge of being too cheesy.
The certain aspects where, like, they're trying to play it out as much, but they do play it too far. Like, for example, on, um, the train scene, that a mere and train fight, like, one of the best, like, on-screen fight battles in a superhero film that's ever been filmed. The end bit where Spider-Man's almost been defeated. Um, it's a guy's mascot from the front.
I know, people on the train skits, don't worry, Spidey. We'll tell you what, he's just a boy. And then when Doc comes on the trains and they say, you've got to go through him. What do you fuck do that?
I'm sorry. You've got this megalne in your back with these tentacles. You're not going to stand in front of them. And he just spots them out like fly, but that's, that's always been, like, say, one of my little bit book bears as well.
It's, it kind of, I was Spider-Man and especially on the big screen. It doesn't just, like, it tries too hard at times to be too wholesome. Does that make sense? It does, yeah.
Yeah. Sorry. Don't let's just message this thing as being a comment. Um, I like, sorry, you just caught me tension.
No, that talking makes up an extension. You know what I think it is a Spider-Man. Because of the cartoon, the feeling that they can use cheese factor in it is opposed to, um, like using, like a hard story. Like, they feel like they've got to make it cheesy.
Whereas it's been proven now through the Marvel ones. You don't have to use Spider-Man in that way. You can insert an element like this, like with, in Twanicham Hollings where he, um, he's really struggling to be the neighborhood Spider-Man. Like, really struggling and he's got Stanley, like, just rewritten him.
Like, that's, that's funny. Yeah. It's not cheesy. And then we'll all, a lot of cheesy moments in the first three.
And then the third one, like, where we start. I think with that one, it was too many ideas and too many people want, want, like, wanting so much to be in it. Like, I know the, I know Samree, I mean, really didn't want to have Venom in it. Um, but, um, the studio really wanted Venom in a Spider-Man film.
It was very ambitious. Let's put it that way. It was really ambitious, but really badly executed. Like, especially now what we've got with Venom, like, no.
And, and Twarford-Chris. Yeah, that was always, one of the worst casting decisions I've ever seen. Eddie Brockers. Eddie, Eddie Brockers, meant to be this brick-shit house, uh, like, quite intimidating character.
Like, even, we've got, um, your best friend, Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy now, I can't make me bring him to that work video, sorry. Um, Tom Hardy now, it was not the biggest of blocks, but he does have an important presence. Twarford-Chris does not have a presence on screen.
No. Um, I mean, obviously if you go to compare between social parties, always gonna win. But I'll give Tom Hardy his dues. I genuinely do like him as well.
Like, I'm excited to see more things about him. I can't even believe that I'm seeing these things out loud. After we did the 12 hour cast, I went and watched the new Venom film straight afterwards. I don't know how I kept my eyes open, but I did it.
And it's not- It's a short film, so it's not about- It is, it's a short film. It was. I had cheese toasties and watched Venom. And, but I really, like, it wasn't, it wasn't the greatest.
It's, it's the first one was really good. But I just thoroughly enjoyed him. Is Venom, like, he could have just walked across the screen for about 20 minutes and I still would have probably enjoyed it. Like, I, I, I shot myself when I'm saying these things out loud on Tom Hardy, because I generally had, like, a hatred for the man.
Really did. And, but he's starting to change my opinion. But yeah, if you're going to compare between them two, Tom Hardy's not on every time, because Tor the Grace may not. Yeah.
It was, it was just, I, I, I would love to be in the cast and room. And the Gorn Wright, we've got all these amazing actors who will definitely jump into a Spiderman film. I'm going to go with Eric Foreman on the 70s show. Thanks for the lead, because he's white.
I don't even have to be here. Honestly, they could have gotten Donna to play a ballman, and that would have been a better choice. Sorry, Tor the Grace. You did really well in the end, Black Diamond.
That was, he was brilliant. And I thought, he was terrible in Esplanade, Eddie Brock. And the whole script of the third one was so bad. Peter's emo fears was, wow.
But what I was there is that it was my first, ever, first and only date with my husband when I came out, so we went to go and see. So Spiderman worked for you that way? Well, 15 years later, it hasn't done too much. It's still there.
It was still here. So yeah, that was our first, I still got the ticket still as well. And when we went to go and see it in Scotland, and then when the idea was afterwards, that was probably the best part of the day, to be honest. Because I feel almost pretty bad.
But I was trying to be like, I was trying to impress him like, yeah, I really like Spiderman. Just reminds me of the audio version. No, I was at the moment called, man, with Seth Rogen, where she, her and Paul Rogen, went argument and she's like, I like Spiderman. That's it.
That's the one. That's the one. Yeah. I was like, yeah, the third one, shit.
I think it has elements. I can say, I love the Simon. I can say, I love the portrayal of the Simon. I thought that was done me as an e-well.
But again, my big problem with a lot of the third one was the put-pick characters in because the advanced, the CGI, I thought, we can do this now. So it was there to show off rather than the third thing. It's like, we need this person in. Then you got the Harry Osbourne, and Hobgoblin kind of switched.
That didn't kind of work. And then basically we got half-assed Venom, even though we did get kind of a good origin with Peter in the church. Like, say that was like ripped out sing by saying that the comic was done really well. But then again, when it went into a vase, it wasn't bigger than Spiderman.
Venom is supposed to be three or four times the size of Spiderman. And as deadly. That was always like, say my big bug bear with that one. Again, it felt like a forced film.
It was just kind of delicious. Yeah. Again, I think it was like, we didn't know how to come back after Spiderman 2 because Spiderman 2 was such a try on, like say it hit on so many levels where it kind of just went, oh, we've done it well. Go now, fuck.
We've kind of put ourselves in a bit of a corner. So when they changed it up, again, they should have, instead of trying to go bigger, they should have went more human when the relationship side. And again, they kind of did that with the Sandman, like the reasons why he was doing it, again, made sense. If it's kept that and all after that, to kind of mess up because they had a busy Spiderman 4 was meant to go.
It was supposed to be John Malkovich as the vulture. That was actually cast in the script was supposed to be read. But told me why he didn't want to do it anymore. That's why the people made it in these jokes about his back.
And being not good because he used that as an excuse to not be Spiderman anymore. Right. I did not know that I didn't know that would have been interested in John Malkovich as a vulture. I don't get as wrong with what Michael Keaton was.
Phenomenal, but I do like John Malkovich. He's got some action chops. And I think he would have brought something quite special. But I did not generally thought it was just a trilogy.
And that was it. Yeah, it was supposed to be more. I think we're going to do the whole story with the vulture using the comics where you would say all people's youth and stuff. So that was one of the things I think it was supposed to be MG's final curtain as well.
So all right. So we'd say we want to go big with this one. But apparently Tommy McGuire pulled out there, Sam Raimi pulled out there. Because then James Cameron, I think, potentially was looking to get involved.
He's probably still working on it. I think I was after Taki. He wanted to get his hands on Spider-Man. He wanted to get in the Superhero field.
It doesn't shock me that they're going to do more because Sony have to produce movies in order to keep him. So yes, it does not surprise me that they wanted to do more. But James Cameron probably still working on it right now. He's probably back there just like, we'll give weird a big longer on Avatar too.
Because I'm really being working on Spider-Man Balls since the early 2000s. He's so slow. Oh, God. God bless James Cameron.
And what was I going to say? Yeah. I'm really not shocked with Sony trying to produce more films out of their minds. Does the need to keep them?
Yeah. They need to get the hat they have to produce every so often otherwise Marvel have the right to buy him back. And they have the money to buy him back. That's the thing.
I don't understand how people could basically how Marvel let that happen, to be honest. I know if they ever had England that they were going to the movies or make the movies, then they should have kept Spider-Man like the other others that could have left or anything like that. But they wouldn't get the money for it. They would never have the needed something.
They needed something big because they needed the money. Otherwise we wouldn't have Marvel Comics anymore. Whether we're not talking about Marvel Studios or the Cheers at Redentes is a different thing. But we wouldn't have Marvel Comics anymore.
And that would have been pretty sad. So they needed something big. That's why you don't have to take the X-Men. They went because the X-Men obviously were massive.
Then you've got Spider-Man here. He's always going to make money. Yeah. Talking about that, I didn't announce the other week that the Marvel and Sony now will collaborate for another three or four Spider-Man films.
Yep. They announced that they're doing another four. And they're also working on something else as well. Or it might be just being that.
Actually, I was reading about it the other day. The plan on allowing Marvel to do more is supposed to Sony. Do you want to make the partnership that was going to be more Marvel than it was Sony? Yeah.
Because I know they're doing another Tom, they're doing another trilogy after this Spider-Man trilogy. But there's going to be one film that they haven't included, which again, I know I've said previously, I think it's Neil Donne, Young Avengers with Tom Holland, Leighton, I am on all the recruits, all these characters that were seeing coming out of the woodwork easily as so. Yeah, because the minute I saw Kate Bishop on Hall-Guy, I was like, oh, this is it. This is it.
She does no way they're not going to reuse her again. Yeah. Especially how good she's been as well. Honestly, if it wasn't a Spider-Man talk, I'd go in with full-fledged Hall-Guy, like, melt down.
Because I just can't get all her good that she was being. One of the best shows of the year, it's at the bridge. Nick, after it goes as well. And then if you haven't seen Hall-Guy TV show yet or to date, this is going to be a big spider because there is a huge Spider-Man villain that's going to be introduced as well in this.
We're getting fucking Will School's kind of frisk-spash as well. And it's actually the same actor from the Dead Level movie, Dead Level TV show as well. It's in Janath Rior reprising his role as King Kane, holy mother of shit. Because honestly, I don't want to go to have a bit of attention, but he's kind of Spider-Man related because he's Spider-Man villain.
But that short is just being from start to finish, everything I love about Marvel. Because you know what, I like when it's sort of like one of my favourite films, and it has the espionage vibes in it, and Dark Pastts and Megan Hawkeye, relevant and interesting and actually, you know, cementing places in Avenger, because we didn't really, I was very guilty of this, didn't give a shit that he was getting on shore. Like, who cares about Hawkeye? I do now.
Yes. We really do now. And it's because of how brilliantly natural has been written, because we do now see him as a fully fledged Avenger. Yeah.
And he is a bled Sean, what he's capable of as well, because some of the fight scenes has been sort of better. I know Marvel get a lot of shit for the fight scenes because it's all cut in here and like, short little things, but this one, it's been quite epic and bringing a different side turn that you didn't see. Like, you can see him, he's exasperated and just had enough of it all. I do think, again, I don't know anything I'm not ready to think as well about, but I do think this is going to be a bye bye Hawkeye at the end of this.
I don't think he's going to be made it out. I don't know. I don't know. I am.
There's too many foreshadows, like he's getting family. But they did that with the day that in the age of Ultron, the foreshadowed all the way through the film and this was it. Clint was going, Clint was won bye bye and he didn't and it was, it was, obviously, a silver. Yeah.
Yeah. They've announced at all as a TV show. Yes. And I think that is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah. Want to see more? And they've announced, well, K-Bishops is not going to die. So who else is left to die?
So someone's going to die in the show. I don't think any, I don't think I'm not feeling that grim about it, but what I am interested in finding out, who the fucking decardling is, his wife is someone, his wife is what it works for someone. She, because she knew too much, she knew where to find the watch. She's got contact somewhere.
She used to work for she or she works for someone because she's too clever and very understanding. For as a wife, incredibly understanding of where his life leads and the fact that he's not going to be on the Christmas, if that was me, I'd be mega pissed. She, on the other hand, is incredibly supportive and understanding to an absolute fault. There's something about them to kind of leave me and I need to know what it is.
Yeah. And I love saying any of them. Potentially, but I've got a theory as well. Mm-hmm.
Because the character that's been introduced in previous shows and films, the woman out of a Seinfeld lady, Hydra, she's called Vivian. Mm-hmm. I think she's she's going to be Vanessa, to Kingpin. Oh, Kingpin.
Oh, Kingpin's Vanessa. Oh, Kingpin's Vanessa. Because we're not counting Netflix's part. It's not canon.
It's not canon. Oh, that's interesting. Especially with everyone thinking on the big guy and he's got like connections. And it just makes sense that he could be running that type of aspect as well.
Because we all thought it was going to be General Ross and the Thunderboards. Maybe it's not Thunderboards. Maybe it's Kingpin getting the gun together. Mm-hmm.
Maybe it's both of them. I don't know. That's interesting. Um, I loved, we are going to be using spoilers didn't you?
Yeah, because imagine Kingpin. I love the fact that you're late isn't this. What she brought to that aspect. So it was on real.
Like I love Lawrence Pugh so much. And that episode was just fantastic. Hey, Kate Bishop. I just feel like I need to say Kate Bishop's name constantly.
Yeah. She was so good. But um, Haw Guy, I think I feel like we need to do like full property deal run down of it. Like once it's said.
Oh, I don't know. When it's when it's it's all the way. Yeah. Because it deserves it's time and it deserves like I love to get Kevin to talk about it.
Because it's like thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah. So that would be interesting. But let's go into Andrew Garfield's Spiderman.
Yeah, the Spiderman that he kind of like wanted to forget. I want to get back there doing our values of the second film. That would be great. I tell you what, when you watch that film and transform this one on the same day.
You've been transformed with the better film. You just sort of think about it. It wasn't that bad. That's harsh.
But I think this is this is one where they got the Peter Potter aspect right. But they didn't ever get the Spiderman aspect right. And I liked it how they kind of delved into a little bit more. David went and tried to be a bit different with Spiderman where the parents and the backstory.
Sally Field is actually even years and one of the best like all the Spiderman films. All that has been cast brilliantly and all different rights and ways. But I'm like say, I'm a stonest Gwen Stacy. I didn't quite hit the mark for me.
No, I don't really do like I was stonest and actress. I really have a lot of time for her, but she just didn't. Especially now that I feel like a nor Gwen better. I'm putting on different universe.
But still I just know something didn't quite hit the mark. Not that certainly and again, I think the new one I think she knew as well. Especially what I say that like the death thing and stuff when we're meant to be leading up to the next trilogy or leaning to the sinister six. That was all I'd say the plans.
But there was a space you've got choices or wrong decisions. That was me. Having the lizards, the first five guys, interesting. But again, it changed them too much and been quite, I'd say they've done it with the cheese factor towards the end where they had the whole like all the builders being all the Koreans getting spied there.
Kind of, it was meant to be like a punch in the air moment, but was kind of like, oh, put me head in the blankets and why. In Gwen's storyline, The Lizard, that's Peter Parker, that storyline there, that's all Peter Parker. And she ends up killing him because it is an accident when it stops him from taking off the world. All bad guys want to do.
And yeah, she ends up killing Peter Parker, which I thought was so ballsy for a first issue. Like, wow, she killed Peter Parker. And I generally did not get enough in this new full of mind. That was, I was like, why is there a bucket littered on the screen?
I totally forgot. At least I'm talking about here, recent finds. And I was like, oh, right. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, really.
Yeah. Yeah. I can say this one. I can say I did have the elements.
I love the whole going back to the death of the captain's day. I can say which was a great comic element, like how the broad back. But again, it just didn't quite feel there. That means it was almost getting there.
But they tried to be different, but in ways where it didn't work. Like the whole having Oscorp and Norman Osborn make him his deathbed and having his head cry, crying out, drag, gently be frozen. It was just bad decision after bad decision. And again, having Jimmy Fox, not Jimmy Fox, Jimmy Fox, Jimmy Fox, as electoral again, a ball, he was thing.
But when the head of his is really nerdy, we maxed Dylan, just looked so ridiculous and kind of took you out there. Yeah. And then, then Rhinewalk. Paul, can you have any other, I've got whatever he's called?
Oh, I can't pronounce him. With the worst Russian accent I've ever heard. Oh my gosh. He is such a good actor.
Yeah, since Rocky and Bullwinkle. Oh my god, you're having a dream roll. Yeah. And he is such a good actor.
Like he was not used to the best of his abilities. He's really good. And I will never get that time back on that film. Like it was, I did not ensure it in the slightest.
I thought Jimmy Fox and Jimmy Fox is a hell of an actor. Is it Jimmy Fox? Am I seeing that right? I feel like I'm seeing it wrong.
It is Jimmy Fox, isn't it? I'm sure it's, it's sort of me now, because I did it. To be fair, I didn't work all day out. Yeah, you've got an excuse.
I have been off all day. I'm off the one painkillers with me back as well. So I'm like, yeah, man. Yes, it is Jimmy Fox.
I don't know why I'm done with myself there, but I've just given how well I know he can act. It felt like he was a Nicholas Kajanist. Yeah. Completely true in Senoris.
And like, look at me, I can do it all and I can act in this certain way, as opposed to the way that you do not. It's just no more Jimmy Noor. No, no, just stop. Because that was really bad.
And I didn't enjoy that performance at all. But he didn't enjoy it in the new one. Yes. But again, we'll come to that.
We'll come to that. But yes, I did enjoy it in the new one. So I don't really want to shit all over him because obviously it's not, you know, it was the direction that I wanted to go with. Yeah, I think the new one kind of redeemed a lot of different aspects.
But again, I can't see I hear the films because I quite like them. Again, St. Spine 1 on the big screen. For me, it's same with, I think with here with any, like with one of your favorite characters.
They can't make a bad Spider-Man film just interesting or strange. This is with this is my Captain America argument. Yeah. Because they'll never make a bad, they'll never make anything.
Captain America can't do wrong in my eyes. Yeah, but even the amazing Spider-Man was better in the first Captain America. Sorry for the game. Sorry for the degree, disagree on that one.
Yeah. And we'll move into something because after that, I think, like they really did mess up and they didn't know why I'd go with the Spider-Man. And they basically just cancelled it, but they did redeem themselves a little bit with what came out afterwards. The Spider-Man.
The Spider-Man. The actual Spider-Man. Yeah. So yeah, that was my, my friend Michael Bendis is, my friend Michael Bendis is being put into one of the best animated cartoons.
And I'm not a big animation fan. And I'm really not, like, I can't sit there and say what's good, what's bad. I just know what I enjoy. And I just thought that was spectacular.
Like it was so beautifully done. And the artwork, again, it wasn't typical like what you were expecting. It was all like, Brights, like really, like, quite pop and brought in characters, like the prior and stuff, which you had to have with the Miles Morales storyline, but done in a way which was brilliant. Having a female doc was absolutely genius.
Genius. And being Emma Thompson. Absolutely. Even more genius.
The voice actresses were brilliant actors and actresses. And the fact that it was Kate was in it, that was spectacular. And I loved how they introduced the multi-versa people. If you want to understand the multi-versa, here it is.
And the fact that they actually had the balls to kill off Spider-Man early on in the film. Like the one in the Miles Morales thing, that actually had balls to right. And again, if you don't know who Kingpin is, you'll find out who Kingpin is watching this because he is, as I said, one of the biggest Viedman villains. And if you played any of the games as well, you see he's one of the nightmare bosses to play against me.
Yes. But what I've played of it, yes, I remember that part. And this is a film that won Oscar as well. I kind of tell you to kind of great one in.
But I remember, because Brian McElbendis is one of my favorite comic book writers. And he's a lot with Spider-Man, obviously Miles Morales. I don't want to see he created him, but I think he's done a lot of work with him. I could be wrong, so anyone can correct is on that.
But watching him, his reaction to them winning the Oscar was just magical. Like, absolutely magical. Just really comic books in general, just to get a form of recognition. The same way back then, back then, back then, the one.
Oscar's for, I think it was like soundtracks and visual and costumes and stuff, but the one, because you know, these things do actually matter. And it was really cool. I adore that film so much. Yeah.
I think it's fantastic. I come to it later as well. I think, because when it was announced again, I thought it was just going to be like a card in Spider-Man. I wasn't going to be something that I think after the amazing Spider-Man and I came out on Amaze the Spider-Man 2, I was a little bit cheated.
So when it came out, I didn't go rush out to see it. I think I saw it on Blu-Ray. When it came out, I'm watching it on TV and thought, wow, this is so special. And the characters of Roy and who thought would ever see Spider-Man come on?
It was just from start to finish, just genius idea after genius idea after getting a live action version rather than rather now. Yeah. In front of the guys on video game, like, when Miles took off from where he's being to where he is now, isn't massive. Yeah.
And again, it expands the universe, expands possibilities. And all we've got with influx of the Spider-Conics, which again, it's just impossible to try and keep it with now. But it showed that it doesn't have to be the same old like the kill of Ben moving to something with great responsibility speech. And then Spider-Man can't be happy he has to go for his life miserable.
It showed that there was loads of these different possibilities and different aspects to Spider-Man that could be brought into it. And again, I know I was actually I was waxing lyrical about the villains that was always being a positive, but along with the Spider-Man arc and Spider-Man stories, when you look back, it always goes down the same beat to same thing. So it doesn't quite change. And it gets all quite quick.
And this kind of refresh and give like a little bit of electric shot and thought, right? Yeah. Something different and something more that we can get from this. Oh, definitely.
Well, before we got that, we did get Tom Holland in Civil War. That was the first time. And that was well before the Spider-Man movie came out. And I will never ever forget that thought about even putting it on the group of the other day and the timestamp of when it was released.
And it was like February 2015 or something and it was like coming home. And honestly, I heard no talk around the world break that we would all rejoice that we were getting Spider-Man in the MCU because up until that point, it was a nigh on a possibility. So we're never going to give the rights up ever. Because it was a time to do something in order to keep them, but they were never giving them up.