We're live. We're live, hey everyone and welcome to another episode of the Nelly of North podcast. It's a Nelly podcast hosted by Northern Earth and one of your hosts Sam. And I'm the return in Corros Paul.
Just let everyone know I'm not shitting myself anymore so it's all good. We didn't actually tell people. No, we didn't. We did.
I'm just going to lower the tone as well and keep the peeps up the deets. For me peeps there. Yes. Yes, we are joined this week by the lovely Charlotte and Megan Poppenay's pervowable podcast.
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That is good. We got to say hello, but we are in other platforms. People need to be here. Good evening.
If any of you have tuned into M9 and J's last Twitch where we did Resident Evil 5, Goodwill joined us in a swear to go to the commentary from him was absolutely hilarious. So I don't find well we're in for an absolute treat tonight. But we have been doing this episode for quite a while. Quite a while.
Quite a while. But we have had trepidation because we know how difficult and how diverse the conversation can get with the subject that we are talking about. And it's probably sci-fi's ongoing saga, shall we say it? I don't think it will ever end or could ever end and should ever end.
We are in course going to talk about Star Trek. So yes, live long and prosper everyone. We are delving, make a sit to galaxies that hasn't been discovered yet. I'm trying to get all the puns out now.
I'll tell you what, because I think you've got a long conversation ahead of us of the Trek. So why don't I get the disclaimer out the way with us and then we'll just crack on. So everything discussed in tonight's episode is our opinions and our opinions a lot. If you want to discuss anything from tonight's talk, I can't talk.
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Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour of nerdism. Yes, well done, Sammy. Thank you. We are going to do that.
Yes, with Star Trek as well, the fandom is so huge and passionate as well. We do not claim to be like oracles or anything to do with Star Trek. See, I'm a fan of Star Trek for you. But we'll obviously never seen the show before with all the ships behind them and going down to the other side.
I'm only here for C Quest DSP. Star Trek, I'm getting shit like that. What was it about 1.5? I was like, what was it about 1.5?
What was it about 1.5? Oh shit, we started with Star Trek. I'm sorry. Yes, this is probably going to be an interesting one as well because I know from the Facebook group, we do have very strict nor religion and nor politics rules.
But we're going to break that tonight's episode because you can't talk about Star Trek without breaking down the barriers because that has been one of the pillars and posts with Star Trek that has been from early, like Jamie Mungberry, and the start inclination of Captain Kirk, Captain James, T-Kirk, sorry, T-Kirk. Sorry, T-Kirk. So this is the case. To see, I am a shrink.
The quiz I got right to do, I knew what he's middle name was. I go through things that have, it is one of the shows that's kind of broken down barriers, talked about subjects in a way, and gotten away with it and we had that post-others show that's kind of because it's never been taken to the serious because of Star Trek. I'm right in seeing that. I'm not going to bother about it.
I think Star Trek's, I think Star Trek, that's, I think Star Trek is. I think it's, I think people do take it seriously. I mean, I don't know if you were a recent. Absolutely.
I mean, there was an only show that we're wearing enough to feature an interracial case at the time. I thought in a racial case I'm telling you it was a hooray and Kirk. Yeah, I don't know if it was time. That was massive.
Not accepted that well. But yeah, that's always been the way to make this company made out with every single collared creed. That was out there as well. I even like it in the new film and it's had to put out that as well.
I did read, read an article the day which I thought quite funny, which was William Shatnab, bless his heart was a bit annoyed because people were implying that Captain Kirk was bisexual. And I was just like, well, yes, because you're literally, it was an absolute sexual beanie would bang anything inside. I don't care. I don't think gender would have cleaned into with vocabulary while he was not.
She's definitely wasn't an issue. So why would gender be? I mean, you're telling me, you're telling me there are not little halfling on Kirk's half Vulcan Kirk's half Orion Kirk's one in Round the Galaxy. You know, I refuse to accept it.
We just haven't seen them yet. I'll get into Genesis already, are we there? It's the only Star Trek film I've seen. Yes.
So I just want to get out of the way at first because I don't want people to see I'm like a bit of a hypocrite and stuff like that. I know in the group it serves its purpose. But Star Trek, I want to get into these two ones and topics because I think throughout the years we'll be doing it at disservice if we didn't. But let's start a little bit of a friendly issue.
I'm quite interested in what your starting points or how you kind of go into, shall we call the Trek? We'll start with the lovely Charlotte. We'll give a little thing. So I'll understand where you go in the Trek and make fell in love with traveling across all these cosmos and galaxies.
Same thing that I got into most nerdy passions of mine is to my dad. Saturday nights was next generation nights after I tee watched Star Trek, I've got a bit of it. And then I remember I see in first contact when I was under first contact. I was like 97, so I was eight and two this day it's my favourite Star Trek film and just couldn't get enough of it.
I mean, I was really, I was really watching it back. I watched it back a couple years ago, I was first time I watched it in ages. And I watched it and I was like, this really isn't as gruesome as I remember. I was like watching it when I was eight years old and there's like assimilating people in Kottnerfati parts and it was gruesome.
But I watched it when I watched it back a few years ago. This isn't as... What's this one called? No, it's close contact.
They have to watch that. It's brilliant actually. Are you not doing close contact? No, that's not going to be as close.
Otherwise, it went for a long night. Like we said, we're going to be silent. So, it says it uninitiated as the boat would probably say. No.
We'll come to that one. We'll see you some big, happy. Yeah, so, yeah, next gen. The card.
Saturday night, Telly. Yeah, see you were next gen. I think that's why, yeah, I think that's why I was still up. So I was like, I was like, memories and yeah.
It does weigh a heavily on nostalgia a lot of the time with the trick as well. But I think that's why it grows and it constantly grows because I know it's going to sound really cheesy because people, the fans, I've loved it when they're younger. They are growing up now and they're getting into roles and places and things. They sound like they're the star trek that I want to see.
And that's why I'm saying so many different versions of it now. I've never known in the last five years so many different iterations of what we get in the trek now. I know with streaming platforms, I've made it more accessible and how it's going to go out. But it's just crazy to try and keep things.
I remember when they used to announce that new star trek used to be a huge announcement. And then when they don't enterprise that was fucking mega. And then when Netflix was a discovery. Netflix, yeah, core funded discovery with CBS and they got the international.
Right. It was the most expensive Star Trek series ever produced. Now, I remember like when Netflix made a big deal over here, but now you've got pick hard on Amazon and you've got below decks now, which is like a car and version. And next season, what was the new one that's just came out?
You can't actually watch it in the UK. Okay. Yeah. So the reason why, I mean, a lot of people probably haven't seen the last series of discovery and strangely worlds.
It's purely because I'm launching on Amazon Plus. Next month, I believe. Now, the ones that originally they were supposed to deal with Sky. So Sky, we're going to do the same thing that NBC did with PCOC.
So he could be on now TV. So Sky would have a plus and plus and plus and on nor they want their own streaming platform. So they sort of withheld the big shooters, shall we say. But there was so shall cry with the story.
Obviously, they put it on Pluto TV ads. But yeah, I mean, going back to how many series now 11 TV series has been so far. I believe three still in the works. That's crazy.
You think about it? And do you think about the films as being 13 movies? If I'm right? 30.
30 movies. They call them together. That's going from like the originals to next generation to get over and then with the reboots and stuff. But I just wanted to call out as well.
I know we haven't said a lot of the chat there. We'll get a few people in there. Your outfit is very popular in the chat. I don't know if you have the hotel.
12 round. Is it? Oh, yeah. He thought probably no, the card maneuver, which is he always has to pull his shirt down because he's a army war from season three.
I'm going to get riding up and mine is too. I'm not even moving. It's just going. So he's going to wear cheese.
Just try to keep yourself down girls. So he's going to scream just yet. Yes. What about your goodwill?
I know this is going to be a long one. How did you get in the start? So I was trying to know how about this because obviously I was as long as I can remember. Sartreq has always been there and she said I got into it when I was two.
And now her and my run with it was Star Trek fans. Not to the extent I am, but they always just watch it. Obviously I was in the room. Star Trek could be on.
Apparently I first had to call it Star Twix. Oh, I prefer that name better. I don't know what the hell words are. So I remember, I mean, vividly the original series when it was on BBC two at like six on a week night.
Oh, young guns. And then obviously over here. I mean, people more now that we have to wait a week or we have to wait 24 hours for a show to come from the US and stream. I said we have to wait six months.
Six months. This was yours. Next generation didn't come on to UK television until 1991. Yeah, I was there.
I lived it. So when did they actually come out fully? Because I thought it was 1991, 1991. It's very, I think we got it all.
87. It's as old as me, Paul. It's as old as me next generation. But we actually.
You're stronger than me. I'm a bit of a bit of a bad guy. We had to wait for you. I mean, that was the case all the way through the 19th Star Trek with the BBC.
The BBC was a lot of it. It was huge. We were always two, three years behind. Everything like that.
But I vividly remember the next generation much, much like Sharlott. The next generation and the next generation era for me is that comfort blanket that no matter how you feel, no matter how bad you are, how bad of a day you are, you can put it on and instantly feel better. There's an nostalgic element to that. But for me, it feels like an extended family.
Oh, we made the police. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm probably do the truffle shuffle. But it.
Yeah, because I asked you again. I'm just saying. Yeah, there it is right there. But it felt like, you know, I mean, I had no other sisters growing up.
I was not to bring it down. I was quite a loner. I still didn't really have my friends. The Star Trek was that extended family.
You know, they were there and I just instantly loved everything about Star Trek from the very first one with Jeffrey onto the pierc. All the way up to the day. There's some weak ones or some strong ones. But for me, Star Trek is not just a show and movies.
It's life. It's a way of life. It's a culture. It promotes the right values that, you know, we as a civilized.
As a civilization should follow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. To go towards that.
We started off. Oh, it's going to be so good stuff. It's going to be fucking good. It's so sorry.
Everyone makes me cry except from here. I'm so sorry that really got us. I love hearing people talk about. I'm really, I'm going so sorry.
I just love hearing the passion behind Fandoms and listening to other people saying how much they love something because you and when you know when you fall in love with a thing or a fandom or a franchise, you can't. Sometimes explain that to someone as to why you do and you feel like an absolute fool. But when you're sitting in a room with a room with a group of people who feel exactly the same. It's probably hits on them.
So sorry. I've got to think of that. That's what I said. Sometimes you can feel a bit alone and things.
But if you find your people, you never alone. Yeah. It could be like say a weird was off it. And they're tag eyes.
Yeah. It's about to. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Hi Sammy's mom. It's just coming to me.
No. When you attend conventions, I mean, mentions of always your Star Trek conventions, always being bought in many of your comments. I mean, I like the Williams, I'm the sketch, you know. Look at the film, Vambois.
That's why my favorite films. It is a huge joke about the whole situation. But you get there and I don't know if it's the same for everyone in London, but you're with people who enjoy and are passionate as you. And it's for me not having that with most of my friends.
You know, it's not actually was always my thing, not many people. Yeah. Yeah. Because these people are passionate, these people understand and it's.
I still don't like people. So sorry. Yeah. I don't know if the group knows or anything.
I do have social anxiety and being with Trekkins as that is. I don't get that. That's so nice. Yeah.
It's like they've been comfortable to be yourself. I think that starts off the ball. Because you spend half your life or half your day of ten. And I'm not like you put up the facade.
Like say, well, all the fandoms and stuff like that. Look at a stamp like say we have to do through college. Yeah. And then I comics open to my certain music just cause they're going to be different.
But that's what we grow and know about yourself a little bit more. But I. I hit it along like through secondary school and college. I mean, who's primary school?
I mean, I was young. I didn't care. I'd go to school wearing a Star Trek badge when Star Trek T show. I didn't care.
I was bullied heavily. And for decades after I kept it to myself. Because that fear of being ridiculed. I thought it's only been in the last ten years that I've gone.
You know what? Who gives a shit? Who gives a fuck? I don't get a fly fake.
No, I'm totally with you. I'm going to rock it. I'm going to embrace it. And you know what?
Light years better. Yeah, it's a, it's it's a, it's a, it's like a weight off your shoulders. I went through it. I've been through it for 14 years.
Like we've all young adult life. It's only been in like, I was a wiggy kid. I was the spooky kid. I've always been.
Like I'm the one who thought it was hilarious to have fucking brightly colored all the socks for school. Because I wanted to be that different. I've always gone for shock value. I was a short.
Exactly. But I've always got shock. Yeah. Oh, we can.
But I know I've always gone for shock value. I've always been the wiggy kid. And that's obviously the coffee didn't really help us a lot. But then in the last few years I'm just like, I don't give a fuck anymore.
Really don't give a shit. I'm never going to change. I'm never going to conform. Why should you?
Exactly. That's the whole thing about shock. It doesn't matter why you come from it. It doesn't matter what planet you're from.
It doesn't matter how different you look. I'm sorry to fuck it. I'm sorry to fucking. I'm sorry to fucking.
I'm sorry to fucking. I'm sorry to fucking. No, she's don't. Charlotte.
My dad watching. Oh, no. I'm sorry, dad. I'm sorry, dad.
From what you told us about your dad. I don't want your mom on the podcast. I want your dad on. If you get your dad on the movie outfit, that'll be interesting.
Not even the movie. I'll just get your dad on. Let's have a conversation about Charlotte. Let's just do a whole episode of Charlotte Celebrating Charlotte.
Oh, God, get a room to you guys. Yes. Back to Star Trek. I know you're not the biggest.
I know you've always had experiences. I have stories. I'm not giving you a story. I've got dragged up on the track.
My mom is a huge sci-fi nerd. My mom dragged me up on Kirk's, honestly, the start of Star Trek with Kirk. He checks out the galaxy. My mom was a huge sci-fi fan.
So, Trek was in our house constantly. I think that's why I was at quite a bit. I was 10 years younger. I would've been your dad.
So, it's fine. You stop. What a statement. What a statement.
There's not that much between us money. You're older than us. I'm sure your mom would've made it work. It's okay.
My mom knows you for the do-to-throw-out roof. That's on the pass-off move on pass. But no, I was dragged up on the track. But don't go as wrong as much as I'm not a Trek-y.
I can still appreciate it. I've loved the new films that have come out with them. Chris Pine. I absolutely loved them.
I did actually watch the first series of Picard. I didn't understand what was going on, but I watched it. But it got us to watch a few episodes of the generation of the generation when Picard started. Yeah?
And made us to do a quiz today. I'm so bad. Because I'm so sorry. I like Trek and he knows his stuff.
And he started asking questions and I just couldn't answer any of them. But now I can appreciate it. It's just not something that's ever. I don't have the same love and passion as what Charlotte and Goodwill do.
I wish I did. It's given much of the speech. I just gave it there. And when Fan Boys is on Unrooted for the Wars.
So. We'll come to that conversation. We can't about Star Trek. about Star Trek, you can't not mention the differences and so forth.
Mine's quite familiar with Alsom, shall we say? Yes, yes. My example was when I was very young, I wasn't quite as young as God, but I can't remember that far. We used to be Channel 4, I used to do Land of the Giants, so I used to watch the Land of the Giants on a Sunday morning when he got into it, and as soon as I finished, I put the whole top and leg original Star Trek on afterwards, and these are half like marathons where I used to do episode and episode and all that wasn't that many seasons, but it used to be like every Sunday, it used to be like Retro TV, that used to be what Channel 4 used to be a maze and that's like all the different shores, like Land of the Giants, if you've never seen it, please Google find the show, it's done in a way with practical effects, that most modern shows would do you a special effects, well it's done in a way that's just brilliant.
Was that his G-Wells tick? I know there was a movie called The Legion of the Giants, I was a hit based on the world star. I don't know if it was a time member, the story, I just remember it was like he used to go over different like travel arounds and like different worlds and every place like this, one day they just went like a western world and like everything was giant then, they were small, but it was just like absolutely brilliant, I just remember flashbacks, I've been in all watching it, then going off and like say it's like a happens log, a star get to do it in the and Kirk, sit in the chair, I'm not going to do the Kirk impression, I'm always joking, I'm not going to get used to doing it. Oh, there must be some thing out there.
Who's the winner? There's some thing on the wing. Yeah, another reference too. I think the finals and stuff, yeah, each different way of getting a cutting Kirk, I was sure torn and off when he was fighting and you were actually a black homie.
I had to do it, yes, but I just remember that, like say it's been an old fox in the logical, that's illogical, logical, and then from the practice of opening death web on me, a little brother, never worked on switching all his pieces off. Do you know who's got the video, original? No, film me with knowledge. Oh, really?
He was offered the role and he turned it up because he didn't want to play a stoic character in Kirk, who was going to be Jack Lord from Hawaii, I knew Jack Lord. I did not know. Wow. I know Sammy loves documentaries and things.
I think it's for the love of Spock about Leonard Nimoy and his life and his life in Star Trek, but it's written and directed at British by his son. Son, yeah, ah, he doesn't make you cry, my God. Charlotte, you've seen what can make me cry. You know what can make me cry.
I will probably be hysterical. So well done. Oh, I'll have to watch it. When Leonard Nimoy took the role of Spock, everybody told him that it was going to be the end of his career and that that was it.
It was a stupid role, I was a stupid sci-fi show and it was never going to take off. You know what? I was wrong with that. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
I would say it went much wrong because to be fair, I knew he was like a proper tesipian actor and stuff. I thought it was forever, but it's a good role to be known as, but he never got away from that. He never left that role. Yeah, he never left that role of Spock.
Is that really a bad thing though? Like, it got him work. It got him not right. We are forever going to know who Leonard Nimoy is because of that character.
Is there anything wrong with being typecast because of that character you played? It's a certain role, just after him in Los Angeles. I've got a role named after him in something. Yes.
We've passed it the other day and that's it. I mean, man, is there any way you can go back so I can get a photo? Is that Paul Watson close or something? Paul Watson, wait.
That's it? Paul Watson, wait. Paul Watson, wait. Paul Watson, wait.
I was asking if he says Paul Watson close, can he just rise? Run, right? Next time I go past it, I'm getting a photograph of it. I was like, I swear to god, that's just said Paul Watson on their mind.
When it actually got put up, people actually tried destroying it. They've run it all over the set. I'm coming back from Roca and I was like, I swear to god, that's just said Paul Watson on their mind. It was an end-up for a politician and something that wasn't very nice.
I didn't share the name, but I've got to go past it. I actually stood there so I got me photograph taken. But yes, that's a big big scarred up. Yeah.
But yes, we're going back, make sure the original star trek, moving on from then. I loved the next generation, but for me, I love the movies more. When the movies start to come out, it's like each year, I thought, I know a lot of people have been given, there's a lot of them that get shit. And there's always the legends out there.
Odd number one is always the terrible ones. The odd ones are the bad ones, the evil ones are the good ones. And then that was just threw into the fire with Nemesis. Which one's Nemesis?
Is that one of Tom Hardy? Yes. I don't know, they want to make you all these choreants. Apart from...
I have a story about Nemesis. Well, apart from the new ones that have been out, that's the only Star Trek film I have seen. Outside of the new ones. So...
So you missed a few. I missed a few by the songs that I missed a freaking lot. Yeah, like, say when you watched them back, as Charlotte said, when you were watching them as a kid, we hadn't seen anything like this before. But I don't know what Star Wars came out.
But that was in death battles and stuff. I got this was more logical. Shall we say? Logical.
That's a tagline for this episode, by the way. It's all logical. I thought I was going to say. Yeah.
So the Star Trek films kind of... Star Trek was a bit different in the way that they always tried to save. Whoever were fighting in a void, the confrontation and going violent. That's it, everyone.
No, you see the losers there. So how about the thing that is the Star Trek? We have an evening, the first episode of Next Generation. It's an odd episode of Star Wars, shall we say?
Because if you introduce to the cast and the crew, which has done very well, like, say, the cards are very stick-up, stick-up, stick-up, we see. You don't really see much of these personalities. Yeah, he's very Starfleet. This is like trying to say, and the integration of Q was such a relevant motivation.
Because it was such an odd thing to do. It was like, because you didn't see it, a being with on Nimna's power, trying to play mankind, saying that, well, what's wrong with the universe? And that puts humanity on trial using the Starfleet as the barometer. And it was done so cleverly in some of the worst special effects I've ever seen.
I'm sorry, that flying... Oh, I think the other thing was... They had a budget of about 50p. Yes.
To deal with that. You look at... Another remastered donation, and it's infamously hard to remaster the TNG era Star Trek, because the way that we filmed it, the way that we filmed it, the way that we filmed it, hi-deaf film. So all the Star Trek is high-death, but then they were...
So there was 60x9, compressed to 4x9, so you had an expanse. Was it digital or film? It was film. High-death film.
Film. Film. Very, very expensive film that Pymot used. And the next generation took years to remaster, and they couldn't watch Dream.
It had to be 4x9, because if they were expanding it, you'd have to sort of runners, you'd have to sort of cameramen, stents and stuff like that. And that's why you've never had DS9 and Voyager remastered. Enterprise, yes, because Enterprise was the first fully digital HD Star Trek. But TNG, if you look at Season 1, more Season 1 Season 2 at the back panels behind Woff, you will see Matt Gaffetit, because they didn't realise, obviously, the lighting for the set for the bridge, it would reflect off glass at the back.
Or in Star Trek, engineering, production, engineering. That's why I'm not a Gaffet. What is this happening? It's the first scene when you're in HD.
And that's why they can't do DS9, because if you see all the cover-ups, you'll see all the blebishes, you'll see the coffee cups all over the place. The land's supposed to be there. In California, far points. Yeah, I mean, like you said, Q, such a unique character.
Always a unique character. And John Delancy. Chef's kiss. Absolutely.
Perfect for that role. Yeah, you did the smart movie, you know what, all superior beings, so well. That's when you kind of like, kind of love the characters. Sorry, John.
His son was in Voyager. His actual son playing Q-Son, his in Voyager. All right. Yeah.
He did a few episodes in Voyager, and then it was, I think it was the only goal he's ever played. He's now like a doctor in South Africa, and things. He went on a credit degree, and that was, I don't know. Well, sweet.
You've been further than. I was gonna make a really joke, and John was like, no, he actually did to me because he's like, him. Sorry, my camera's starting to do my head in now, by the way. I'm really starting to lose my patience.
Don't touch it because I'm a close off, I'll kill you. I'm gonna have to have a miss around with his, it's doing me head in. So I'm sorry for people watching on YouTube, but I'm jumping all over the place. But then you don't need to answer, it's not the cornea as well, big and extra narration.
I only realized watching the back, so when you watch the first time, you don't notice all the little things. The fact that I totally look forward is in pain when he uses these visors. And the fact that I'd say you'd rather be in pain and be able to see the things, because I'm like, say, baby, crush your officer, and pain really feel good when I'll stop saying. And often it's to numb the area of the brain where it's affecting, and he's like, no, I'll stop, stop this from saying.
So that little thing where you would choose being constant pain over knots or I'm keeping your sights. It's just like, I thought that was relevant to just blame your mind completely now. There's a beautiful moment about that in insurrection, the film before Nemesis, where basically they go to a planet and define that something in this planet is helping prolong life and it's constantly regenerating cells and things. And he suddenly realizes that he doesn't need his eyes, because he desires every generate themselves.
And he's talking a card about the first time he sees a sunrise, and that he knows as soon as they leave the planet. He's never going to say it again. So he's just standing and savoring the moment. It's a beautiful little moment.
But it's the detail, like a little bit of detail like that. Yeah, but from the groundwork that, oh, like when you talk about like the guy that started on Jane von Barry, like the IDE put in place. And as Google said before, with such a peer-aware idea as well, just not go down the road, just being Star Wars, like going into like a tack board. It's pace missions, but go on boardy-born and exploring and try and be like what humanity hasn't been for so long.
Welcome and inviting and showing the way the universe that there is a better way. And I thought that was going well. And like one of the things I always loved as well, like we've talked about Q, but they always gave like good bad guys but reasons for doing it as well. Like the Klingon is the ultimate for me.
I know like some Chinese love Romulans for different reasons and you're going to other ones as well. But I always like the backstories behind it as well. Like the war planet, like how it's more tribal with the Klingons as well. But like the end you get later, then we're finally going to click on on board, the Starship Enterprise, which when you go back to the original, seems absolutely crazy that I would ever come.
But it shows like the idea of how Starfleet and like advancing and basically show and peace, that anything can happen. And I thought that was just a beautifully way of doing it. Anything or that was always Starfleet's mission. That was always the Federation's mission.
You know, they don't want enemies. You know, they want allies. They want to make friends. They want to unite people.
And like you said, the transition from the original series to the next generation, you know. Oh, we've got to cling on that. We've told you do something to it. Yeah, cling on to it.
Yeah, a blind man can run. Well, I mean, he was the chief engineer. Yeah. And you look at strange new worlds now.
I mean, I won't spoil anything, but they do have. Ah, Fox Wilders, don't care. No, they don't. They don't.
They don't. They don't. Strange new worlds now has Star Trek's first legally blind actor, playing a blind engineer. Wow.
It's a great scene in episodes too. I mean, I don't care. So I was, he's chopping a carrot. Strong goes, do you want help with that?
And you look, why? It's like, this doesn't stop me. My impairment doesn't stop me. Yeah.
So I can also think that he just catches it. He's like, you're pre, I don't know what the word is. You're pre... Just, you're, I don't know what you mean, like, so you're typing someone?
Yeah, yeah. You know, he's like, he doesn't apply to me. Yeah, I can do everything that you can do. Yeah.
I was always trying to probably, it's better. Yeah. But going back to encounter with Far Point, I mean, yes, it was, I mean, take the motion picture. Everyone just wants to start track back on the salad.
Yeah. And one scene in encounter with Far Point always gets to me. I mean, I watched it the other day and I showed up a little bit. So the very last scene was McCoy's on board.
And you know, they said, are you ready to get on the way? Oh, well, this is one animal and he doesn't want to beam down. It's McCoy 137 years old. Yeah, I was just about to say as well, because I was going away, that we had bones in the first.
It was just a little cameo and I was like, this has got to lead into something better. But it was just a nice little thing when he's still interaction with David. Yeah, he's like, because David says something, he goes, how old do you think I have? He was 137, but I thought he was actually close.
I don't think any punching or anything. What? He just, oh my God. And he goes, no, there's no time and I'm driving.
He goes, almost as bad. He goes, almost as bad. But there's one, there's one, there's only a 10 seconds saying it. It's only one line.
And he goes, he goes, it's a good shit. You remember that. You treat it like a lady. Oh, no, it was K-A-Hole.
Oh, no, no, no. All, because the Forest Kelly, I mean, the Forest Kelly was always the oldest. That's not the best. And it's, you know, I love the Forest Kelly.
I love poems because he had that human aspect, what a contemporary human aspect. Yeah. Yeah. But it was like, what we was wanted to see it, and like, he was calling bullshit before we were thinking it.
Like, if Kurt was doing swing stewards, he was, yeah, James, this is, James, sorry, Jim, this is not right and stuff. I think, yeah, the ones that like the moral compass, of most things. It's also that he was the translator for some of the signs as well. And I think, I've carried that on for every series.
He had bones in the original series, you know, it's a property. That's why I'm saying, oh, oh, oh. And bones would go, damn it. Spark up and down.
And then you'd have, you know, the next generation, you had Deanna Troy, who was, you had Tom Parrish in, in Boyager, DS9. DS9 was just all over the place. Yeah, I'm not saying that this now, I tried with DS9 many a times. Even though the afternoon it was good.
I just couldn't buy it. Now it wasn't Star Trek. It wasn't Star Trek, I couldn't get it. I'm sorry.
And the one, actually, I felt like, not I would love, but my continuation of watching the TV show ended with Boyager. That's when I thought, I don't think, because I'd be fair, Jane, where was one of the best captains? I'll say that out there. And Thalton's standing by there, Stephen, too.
He absolutely loves that woman. And she is one of the sexiest captains out there, sorry. We were so lucky, we were so lucky that we got cable crew for Jane Way when the original actor, I think it was the two days of filming. She went, yeah, not from the getting all good.
We were so lucky because she is amazing. The world is looking to have that woman. She is phenomenal. She is incredible.
What a voice though as well. I could just listen to her talk as well. She reminds, I tell you who reminds me of cable crew. I don't know if you don't see any expanse.
The UN President in the expanse. It's that type of voice. You know, it's that type of... Who the fuck are you?
You know, it's all good. It's all good. Came all good with Jane Way. You know, I'm 16 cups of coffee before 9.
Where's two mixa? I'm gonna move him again. Oh, that type of... That's fantastic.
Honestly, it's the only way I'm tolerated, Orange is a new black, because she was in a... I think that wasn't a bad accent. It wasn't a Russian accent. It was Russian.
She was Russian. Yeah, and it's the only reason each other is because of her. And it even said to Dean the quiz, who was the best captain of all time. And I was like, Jane Way, you said it.
You got it right. But even that was like the pattern. That was so well done. And like interesting as well, it wasn't just a standard of Star Trek.
It was the fact that I'd say it was store-ways and actually kind of like a resistance that when they got blasted so far out in space that they would never get home type thing. And that was the journey that they went on to try and was like all kind of banded together. That kind of brought an interest over it again. Well, I think with deep-seared design, I know it was more probably a lot of strategies doing a lot because it went more political and was more about issues and modern issues and trying to be interracial and discussing that with.
But when it stopped becoming about going off and visiting and running adventures, like I said, that was the whole why I love Star Trek and away. But before we start talking about it, I'd be too nervous. I want to talk about the films a bit more. Now, I know the first one gets a little bit of shit, but I do like it's...
But with all different types of like sci-fi and stuff, why does all of me and bad guys have to be a fucking crowd? Bones says that in the motion picture. Bones gets beamed onto the enterprise and goes, there's a thing out there and it's coming to a few. Why is everything we don't know?
I was called a thing! And again, but most, I mean, you were going on Star Wars and Star Trek fans or going at it. We wouldn't be where we are today without Star Wars, without any of you holding it in 1977. True.
I love Star Wars and I will always be eternally grateful that Star Wars was made because I wouldn't have my love here today. So that's a good point. Let me move on to the films as well. Let's have our conversation that we touched on earlier.
Why do you think the friction between the wars and the Trek fans? I don't think it's actually something the fans have made. I think potentially it's been advertised that way or generally, when I've talked to people, I've not heard anyone saying, oh, I don't like Trek, I was one other than fanboys, which was a parody. But the internet seems to think that there is this big, right?
Because in essence, you can't have one without the other. Yeah, absolutely right. And I don't know where that argument comes from. I can't even sit here and say, I like Star Wars more than I like Star Trek.
I can put that argument forward, but that's just personal preference. But I would never go out of my way to say a fucking hit Star Trek because I love Star Wars more. I don't have that in his, I don't know. I think we're all like that.
I'm all we don't sit there and say we fucking hit something because we love this other thing better. Yeah, because in essence, they have the same key points other than I say, like the battles and everything is a lot different and they're fighting for different things. But in essence, it's adventures in space. It's India and Jones in space in a way.
Yeah, and also really sorry Charlotte. I totally forgot you're down to watching. I really apologize to me language. I'm sorry.
I was trying to call Star Trek as a Star Wars thing a bit of an imagine. Like it seems like it was one of those myths that sort of gained a bit of attraction and a lot of media and stuff kind of went with it and perpetuated it. But when you talk to actual fans, there's not that much animosity between them. It's like, yeah, I like both are just tentally more towards worlds, or tentally more towards Trek.
Yeah. Oh, look at what I mean, it's like me's there. You've gone from being in like total sunshine to that darkness. I was going to say something I've taught you again, no something to do with Star Wars and Star Trek.
Do you not think it's kind of coming down from the toxic fan base? Because let's be honest, Star Wars has a lot of them. And quite honestly, I've never come across a toxic Star Trek post or fan or anything like that. I really haven't.
I was looking in the right places. I'm not asking. Yeah, I was saying you've not been in the forums now from the years. I wouldn't have been, but I don't see them quite a lot.
Do you not think it can come down just from that from people? You get it in, you get it with DC, you get it with Marvel. And there's a certain group of people who would just want animosity, they just want the hatred. They fucking, sorry, they've derived of it.