Catch just watch for like a t-vix. Lies. Good evening everybody and welcome to the Early Up North Podcast. Today we are talking all things Tim Burton.
And you might have wondered where Sam is. The reason she's not here is because she's a lot of in my basement. But don't worry, I won't be making her into a pie. And she'll be back for the podcast next week.
I'm one of your ones, Donna. And I'm the host, Paul. And today we are joined by the wonderful Charlotte and Kelly. Hello!
And Stilton Kelly there. Yes, I do, our regulars to the podcast, you will have noticed there's one face that is missing, so I'll just pop a face in there, so she'll pop up on the YouTube channel soon. Sam's got prior occasions and we had made a reagents to do this. And like bless Paul Kelly and other people had taken time off work.
So I thought it was only fair. And I'm having the wonderful as my co-host tonight. So fans of the group, fans of the podcast, will have known Donna and her cookies and just hate to shape them about for us tonight as well for all the things Tim Burton. So yes.
So again, it's been a while, Kelly. So how are you? I think you've seen such a change to visually quite a bit since we last spoke, yeah? Yes, I have.
And I'm like, whoa, like, is a dark room? I was worried that I thought the job was coming off there. But I am people on the back of the show, so I will, actually, why are you talking to other people? Steps to the side, maintain my dignity and return.
It's all about dignity, dignity and respect. That's all with, that's what the nerdy one of us monitors should be. Yes. And we've got the lovely Charlotte up and all buffed up with a Tim Burton gear right to the next showing off her, make her say a swag there.
So how are you? I'm all right. I don't have a shrine, honestly. I just have more Tim Burton stuff than I realize and I thought why not.
I think this was your one of your suggestions as well. You've been trying to get us to do a Tim Burton chat for some, quite a while now. So this is your jam all about it. I know, like, say, all to fair, but all the 80s, 90s kids, some a little bit younger than others, not laughing at it.
But they kind of grew up on Tim Burton in a way. He was our childhood, our lessons, our lessons, sorry. And then he saw that with Disney when it got completely different route. Yes.
So if you haven't guessed by the look and the fail of the podcast, we are doing everything Tim Burton. And thank you, Donna. That was an amazing intro. I wasn't expecting that, but that was really, really good.
Yeah. So thank you for going in the group as well. And we're almost, almost at 4,500. So we're creeping up there.
So yeah. And the book club's doing well. There's no challenge to be promoting the hell out of that. It is.
Yeah. I'm not going to get involved. We've got 240 members now. Oh, actually, I have a winner.
I thought so. So we give away on the book club. And if you've got 120 members, we are giving me and a lovely Nicole doing a blind date with you. So you get two mystery books, maybe three.
You get a nerdy of North Moog and a nerdy of North Moog. And the winner we drew yesterday from the random trailer, which I forgot to take a video off. So I didn't want to get it. I'm old.
Am I alive? I was. I'm alive. Well, don't know.
We'll put a post off, give away message. So we'll walk in once and that will know when to send it. Hopefully you're not in America. That's the scary thing now.
Now we went international with all these young starting in with the phone now. He's there. Yes. So, um, I can say back to you.
I'm sorry. You keep us in track. That's why she's the boss. I'm right.
I've had to write it down. So everything just goes into nice podcast. I'll open it up in the lawn. If you want to discuss anything from tonight's episode, then please come join us on the Facebook group or get yourself in the comments below.
And we're going to have a little discussion. We all have our own opinions on that. That's what makes us unique. So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxicity out of the fund.
Well done. Well done. We're practicing that beforehand. No, I just wrote down.
I just wrote down because I knew I figured out. It was anything else. I was talking about opinions. It's our opinions.
That's what I think we should say. But yes, we'll have to be nice and try another event. People which find it harder and harder to do each day. Yes.
So. I'm going to kill you. Kevin's just walked past like a little bit. Go.
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He's like a what? He's not flashing it. He could be flashing it. He might be.
He might be naked. We don't know. He's playing two. He's playing two racrs and he's already Helmet.
I want to say like that. I knew it. Have you creeped your bastard. Oh, yes.
So yeah, so we're going to go off. I know the three girls have made the effort. And I just can't give a fuck off. I've got to be the fan of that.
I'm actually the aesthetics of everything. That is Tim Burton. So yes, so I would love to know what your starting points of. How you got?
Like say the wonderful world of Tim Burton and like what. I can say the introduction to his type of movies. So we'll start with our global host of evening. to don't I?
I actually don't remember but I guess I would have probably said it would be Edward Cesar hands because I remember watching that really young and I loved that movie so I would say that the first time I looked at it was last night in the chat that I thought was really lovely as well that you introduced your daughter to it quite recently as well. Yeah well I watched a couple of days ago I feel it would be something that she liked and she hasn't really watched a lot of Timburnt movies as well as like maybe about Christmas and whatnot so I'll put it on and she was absolutely glued through the whole thing. She was like is it not any of the most stranger things I was like yeah it is but obviously she didn't recognize our face because she looks a lot younger on there. Yeah oh bless.
It's a nice little game we filmed into the world of Timburnt because that's Edward Cesar hand and I know we're talking about it a bit more a bit later on as well it's it's sort out there but it's a nice fairy tale that's we all probably describe it. Okay please recall it like when she's all in stuff to wear to her grande recall in the tale of why it's known and it's just oh wow I love the story telling that like the writers and things so yeah yeah I totally agree with that. Yeah oh but for a mental idea like giving scissors to a person for hands it just it can't even compute how why that would even go into your head because I can all yeah McCarb, what? Just strange.
Sorry I'm gonna take Cesar's picture off the front now because it looks like she's just staring at us quite intensely and it's staring at us a little bit as well. So bye Summy we'll bring you back later. But yeah so no great show up there. Don't know if I would always say it was probably the career where if anyone wasn't seen a tin but I would always recommend to say that that was a starting point.
I've got to feel that no where Kelly's gonna go so go over Kelly. Right okay my first encounter was aged four baby sat by my teenage neighbour who just put a film on okay and that film was Beetlejuice. I loved it but she would always direct me if I was like trying to clean up. I'll turn it off I'll put back in the future on it.
No punishment I'm sorry. No that is not a punishment. I don't know if you don't do something about the future. So I remember like a door in it and there's a picture.
I'll have to get you mum to rake it out and brandish it. It's Christmas and brandish it's my two favourite toys with the backdrop of the front dog and all I'm looking a little bit mental like I normally do. But I'm brandishing and me it's Cindy because we couldn't afford Barbie and a bit of action figure and they were used to my reason. So you wanted to go through with the marriage you'd handle problems with Beetlejuice being because even though he's a star the film I always find quite think he's actually developed really isn't he?
And remember my previous description undead sex fest. I mean a lot of the in jokes were very above and very kind of like risque especially with like the whole house and stuff but that just didn't like register it was just the phone and the costumes the the gothic nature the the the adoration for Lydia Dates who I just wanted to be and honestly I just love the premise of the whole film. I do that was just minced about and you either saw them or you didn't. The music was lush Danny Elfman obviously who's like a key stable event and films and the actors absolutely fantastic.
Keaton and I want to write that as well as um oh yeah. It's kind of a cold wind. It's just absolutely fantastic. My gothic was forged that day.
I'm sorry that's yeah. I'm already slapped us in the face. Oh, I'm sorry. He's like yeah do you know Davis?
Like oh but yeah so that was definitely um the film that kind of stalked my love of the goth in a tibet. Tim Foote like said when you look at the cast as well he kind of doesn't he's very loyal to his cast as well I think. Or is it just basically he finds people he likes and just stares with him because like we don't want to ride a kind of on can't they? Like say he kind of uses to him in a way where he never kind of went off half with him.
I think sometimes the loyalty is good but later on it became a little bit of a fault which I'll probably talk about later. It just seemed like you know I'm all forgiven you know kind of new actors you know like kind of airtime and airplay and it just seemed that was just like yeah yummy bird. Get him you know what I mean. I think he tends to use actors that he knows understand the sort of style he's going for.
Yes yes. Get the performances that he wants and he likes it. He's less because for a director as well some of the choices he makes are quite daring and balls especially like when you think about you came from films in the 80s where you can be a little bit out there and not take a bit more risks but again shall probably say it's this but the 90s were a little bit more safer which choices and where certain directors did go outside the box and you could tell from things like they're more 90s films sorry Charlotte where same type of teeny bobbers or black type of comedy type I think. Like I said it was a big blockbusters but not many art houses or like weird films kind of got through but I think he kind of broke that mold a little bit as well like by saying no I this is the style I want and I'm not going to change from that so I think that was always quite important.
Okay you're going to be out of mainstream in the 90s. Yeah you're not the people who wanted to do the same sort of thing but wouldn't I like wouldn't be just like what I like about him you don't get shit you know what I mean just like this is in my mind and I'm going to be you. I used to always get kind of mixed up with Bob Dylan as well because I love you so much. Yeah so Charlotte what was your first show when you told Charlotte Fakes hashtag incident weather but sorry.
I think I first became aware of him when the night made me focus on this game out in 93 but I think the first film I actually saw was Edward the Sans. Yeah I didn't see it when it came out because I was thinking about 90. What do you mean 90s like that so I was like one if that. Right it's fucking one man.
So like when I got in a timbit and it was after night made me focus this so yeah so that was like the game. I think a lot of people as well especially you young youngsters blushes and the night made me before Christmas again we'll probably delve into that one a little bit in more detail because I don't like that before Christmas but the Stevie showed up there the movies that made us kind of changed me opinion on timbiton on that as well quite a lot and I did not really, I know it sounds weird when you were talking about some other massive film fan and nerd but that one when I found out like how what went on it kind of set us a little bit which a little bit of a piece was brought down a bit but again like I said we'll go through that one a bit more detail but yeah I can totally understand what you've been a youngster. I am 40 this year as well so just pull out. First for me I'm still like it's not done as really quiet.
To be fair though don't look so 12. I'll get mine out the way as well because this is going to be the running part of this. My first walking house like being introduced to Burton was because I was a comic book fan and if you've got an answer to me and Batman and I shit you know I think I've talked about previous podcasts I even wrote an article about how excited I was for this film and I went to the cinema where we got to try to get into the cinema but I was on the age so they wouldn't let us say it so they actually stopped us at the door and the bastards. No actually I got past the door so you know because it was the old empire cinema in some and it used to be like where the point is now it's like a big nightclub but if you're with us now as we don't remember you start a door and there used to be a person on the door with a ticket to count how many people in because they didn't have like technology will tell you and that was the first point of getting past him first and since you thought you were past him you thought you were in but no I got past him because we doubted it and I was up and say two thousand swarly skinny little I think I got kind of at the age point eight or nine at the time might be ten and it was a 15 I think so I managed to call all the way past him and but the woman at the ticket office saw us and she refused to sell us a ticket so I remember that and then being like not the digital age we had after that we had a wait for not just to buy the film you had a wait for the video rental which come out six eight months after the cinema release and then it's a long time yeah and then to buy the film it was a year after it was being this and so people complain that we had a few weeks now much as Spider-Man's fault is now in enamias so when I finally got to say it I've never been so disappointed in in a movie like visually beautiful yeah you need to give it credit where credits do you like yeah well the choices like I'm sorry Jack Nicholson has the jorga fuck off that was not the jorga that was not the jorga I've read about that that was not even Cesar Romero as the 1966 version of the jorga was more menacing and and felt real where this one it was just a gangster playing the jorga it was obsessed with money and having a fucking five-year-old band over a girl yeah yeah it just it just wouldn't ring true I think I think the reason I mean I'm not excusing to Burton like at all I think he was trying to keep him with that sort of film no the visual aesthetic it was very fun for a miller 19 like that like that lock in visual like even now I think the the like the crest on Batman in the back so it was the least functional it looked a lot to the best there's not been a Batman that looks as well as Michael Cadeon in the Batman and when you think about the cast as well that film should have been fucking amazing yeah I did appreciate the choice of Michael Keaton like because like a man and I think a lot of people like well why didn't you choose one a little bit more kind of you know like hench but that's the whole idea behind it it's just a man and then you know so I really think Michael Keaton was a saving grace in the film well that was that when he saw that in Batman the terms that was the difference because Michael Keaton was the perfect Bruce absolutely you won't get a bit of Bruce in the Michael theme that aspect and makes it that lock as well but again I know we actually what all about love and we don't really say the here word as well but that one really did upset us and I was a little bit worried when we saved to watch Tim Burton films after that and as Kelly said a few I was followed up after Batman with Betelgeuse and yeah he couldn't do no wrong for a long time after that he was getting himself and I didn't realize as well that Betelgeuse actually was before Batman I believe next day when I came out and the tone and everything with Betelgeuse we parents were a little bit apprehensive to it as watch it so I was probably a little bit older to watch Betelgeuse to fully understand it but I think the thing that gets made with Betelgeuse the most as well is not just like the like a look in the fail is the music used and even like the things when Betelgeuse was like one of the things that I said Danny Elfman doing the stuff around it was always like quite catchy and loved it and to be honest it had been on a ride and like anything went on a ride a day at the time I was obsessed with like from Heathers yes yeah so that was my little fora into into like say the whole Tim Burton things but I know he has as he said one of Charlotte's favorite films actually mentioned that he was Batman Returns as well it's a comic book film but not at the same time it's a Christmas film oh it is absolutely everything about it was just like the casting was brilliant and after the first Batman it kind of felt like a studio trusted trusted his vision about man a bit more I'll let him let him let him have a bit more influential about what was actually going to be put on screen yeah what I particularly liked about it was the way in which he created the character Penguin that kind of he was rather than a man who was a man who was a man who was a man rather than a man Penguin this was like a person who was you know full way not brought up by Penguins became mutated and you can see why he's got a bianny he's talking bonnet he wants to be accepted he is the villain that I have most love for I love your dorm I feel for him and you want to journey with him and I really like that kind of like twist of there was some kind of that separated him as an outcast and you and then he was given the kind of way of kind of getting into society realizing society's just I love one day twist to meet a Kyle I mean Michelle Feigar is unbelievable amazing her transformation is genius it's absolutely brilliant like she goes somebody wouldn't look at it if you walk past him in the street like probably down front secretary piping yeah to somebody you know it's when she walks in a room yeah she became a person that she always had the fear of trying to be it was it's almost like the the id eagle and super eagle you know what I mean she should be you came in a West Health and it's just one of my favorite parts of that film is like I should say the transition or when she's drinking the milk in the milk's all I wear a face and she's just like I just fell out of a window I think my wings the thing is oh that we're about that film as well we're talking about comic book film that went it wasn't I would say went beyond ridiculous like when you think about the premise of it as well penguin was brought up by fucking penguins not by wolves by fucking penguins yeah yeah yeah I can't I can't I can't I can't agree but that's how ridiculous it was but then so they the car become couple and as you said because you fell out a window and cut an on-bone a finger for a bit I think it was a part of that was it she didn't fall out the window she was pushed yeah sorry yeah and I think that that is a huge part of like her driving force of like her turning in a couple of men but then it's why she's so angry it's why she's trending with a little bit of that yeah I love the fact as well not like I don't think it's ever been used at the comic guy beginning I could be wrong the whole nine lives aspect of cut woman and have like played on that all we're through saying oh like something happened that's a life gone down and stuff like that and it's them little things that kind of made it a little bit better and everyone here to creep around clowns and creepy circus as well and I guess Tim Burton had the time of his life creating like that's henchmen as well that's one thing that's one thing that's like the newer Batman films I think is done where they've had good henchmen because in the comics or even in like seeing the cheesy TV she's even the cartoon like the characters always have interest in henchmen or interest in like people like sidekicks that used to not be me and characters but you could tell they'll belong to this type of crew yes yeah well but you don't have you can't be fond thoughts of the return of the Batman I quite liked it but I also probably say that me only because of a yeah Danny DeVito's Penguin I do think you look at that character and definitely I think it's Tim Burton I get to sort his style yeah so great the ducks the ducks is a so quintessential Tim Burton like if you think of Tim Burton that's probably one of the first images that comes in the eye and the penguins were right packs on the back no people are like you were saying that Charlotte there were so many almost like trademark characteristics that feature within all of it in films you've got the black and white stripes you've got the parent image of Jack and he was on the top of the carousel his head in beat of juice when you come the first time Jack skeleton was ever on film yeah which is just in fact continuity it's just a lot she's just got these these just iconic elements like the way in which he depicts suburban life these bright body fake you know it's got an underlying symbolism to it and then obviously like the kind of gothic everything's so thinly you know it's almost like something's about a snap off or break I think looks I've perfectly done but almost like if you touched it or it's not going to break and you know it was almost like he brought it with toys that you could never touch I remember he's a little fuking anecdote right I remember I got night maybe focus was on VHS when I was seven when it came out so I remember seeing a trailer for it I was like man I remember the one actually got a perfect person is and make you want small gold and it showed you how to make things out of us saying I was like fuck that I'm being a Jack skeleton well of course it was like people with sandalky it was just like it's an enveloped body you know I think I can go like definitely very pleased with the effort so I put him in the oven and then he just like mutated it was so good that sounds perfect but I think as I said like I said going with the aesthetics like they use quite monitor on colors but also had striking ones so they had more of an impact as I said with Batman and ducks like the brightness of the colors of like I had held up to like nine out of four Christmas everything was like quite greary and thing until like Christmas on and the lights everything kind of shone and made it brighter as well and even going from like more recent films like Dumbo and stuff like everything's quite dark but then you got the ring top and everything's like shining out and like bright as out and yeah there's been so when you think about it he's been involved with so many different things like in the past as well and but I'm quite interested to know what this is going to be hard to answer for you is what is your favorite timber and film?
Well I was glad I have not decided I was trying to think I'll I'll create them all a little bit there and I'll go first to this one so there will not be one that you think because I watch this film and not expecting much and honestly I cried my eyes out nearly all the way through it. I think I know it won't be. Okay. Okay.
Thank you. Fucking amazing. Amazing. Oh yeah.
Did anybody know what I'm thinking about it? It's just such oh my god and yet again it's that idea of storytelling that's been earlier about you know we know the the grand the grandmother telling the story you've got like maybe for Christmas that story tell it element of the narrator at the beginning going through the doors but this it's just just the way in which this father who just loves telling these stories which are just absolutely fantastical but not living up to reality and that's what like is him and he's the child and she likes the practical that's the way in the past and it's watching a place for it's like my tip and that was completely different to that because it was the relationship like the whole film was about the relationship with the son and the father and how the son never quite understood him but what I liked about it as well is the fact it I know most of it was probably bullshit but there was a pence of truth in like he's storytelling he's just he's he's sad like to embellish and make things sound more fantastical so he probably did live this amazing life going through like the wars and I'm not only he's big as fan but you and McGregor was absolutely special like really really amazing in this film and as I said the cast like you and McGregor Billy Cobbert, Alberth Finney, Jessica Fock and Lang for god's sake Jessica Lang and Helene Bonkartner were absolutely fun and it was that little story with Helene Bonkartner in like the little village where they go to and where they throw the shoes up so that they wouldn't be like it's such a beautiful thing and when he goes back like Billy Cobbert's cow go he finds the actual village and he finds that it was actually true and put the shoes that still hang in there there was a lot of touches that and again going to the fantastical like when these dads unfortunately gonna pass he doesn't pass in a way because his son takes over the story and tells how his dad turns into the biggest fish and that's how it's in the lake and honestly it's amazing and I know a lot of people give Jim Burton not as much credit when it comes to like storytelling for films wise like it's all about the aesthetics all the looks and like the shock factor as well because he does he did play that a lot until he went to Disney but for a beautiful film it's amazing it's one of the perfect most perfect films out there and how you get the gift people forget because they're focused almost on Tim Burton's style and how he designs films because he's an artist when it boils down to forget how much of a beautiful storyteller he can be and like films like that show why he is such a good director as he tells stories through film like nobody else can. Yeah I love that one so who wants to go next then? I'll go next why not.
My big fish as I say I know it's based on a book I haven't said about those things that I've always been meaning to do but it's one of those films that I picked up because it was Tim Burton like I saw it direct by Tim Burton I was like oh you know let's get it and I was pleasantly surprised because it was a little bit of a wild card compared to the ones that he's done previous I mean there is still elements of like the weird and the grotesque and the macabre but more to do with as you say kind of the storytelling element the embellishment make the sound better because the thing is it's that trying to forge a relationship with his son with this like fantastical way but but the son just doesn't understand you've got that like clash of characters that goes full circle at the end when he finishes the story himself but yet again you've got those recurring characters, donated people was in there was it the lady Algomarz, she's in Mars attacks I'm sure she's a strange looking lady forgotten she's been in a few of it you've just got those recurring characters there but one of my favorite parts of it the sign is twins yeah they're singing mixed friends with them and the funeral at the end where you see the people and you're like oh if you find these two separate people so it's like shit he was like telling them you know what I mean it's just it's absolutely lovely but um one of my favorite all the favorite places when he's a kid and the whole of the house was every place has a whole of the house and you know like looking at the eye you'll see how you die that was very young so I was going to show you all the other way into the door and that's kind of like because they look at the eye it's like miss I want to see your eye and look at the look yeah that's why I'm like say the accents and stuff like Albert Finley as well I can listen and talk I was just like with that like the act when he was doing the accent it was it was like kind of like a southern draw as well it was just absolutely perfect but yeah I can't sing highly enough for this film I don't I said I don't think it gets the credit it deserves especially um with I think I don't know like saying like being the time it came out but it was very um wasn't very marlinid well or it wasn't really big news but I think you know what probably was it was probably because it's an original film without having like say another sequel or like say a big blockbuster but as a story I would always suggest like say one of the bet like one of the greatest 10-burnt films is me it I would always suggest that as a go to like I know like you could say oh watch ever since that hands watch people do because that's like the quintessential button but I would always say um for people who are not really into the goofy sort of you know kind of edgy sort of thing I would always say big fish has got something for everyone you know what I'm gonna say it's an all-rounder it's just it's just absolutely lush although I do want to think it's very nice that like she's engaged he's made and he just totally like kind of ruins it for them I'm gonna be just this lamb like that's my beyond self what kind of stuff I was not after saying like you guys I'm gonna turn up at your house and you're going to marry us I reckon a lot of people have watched it and not even like nor to timber and you and regret is perfect I like well but I do have a stuff spot for you and so all right so with you saying that don't know let's move on to I know you've undecided I've got you on the spot now I really don't know what my favorite is then shalaka first I don't know what I'm gonna show the grand to hell you today I said fine no I'm yeah no so my my favorite to merton film is corporate right okay I love that film and it's the music in it it's definitely alpha again yeah I don't think it's made many films without anything but it's it's the music in it and it was the first like animation to merton had done since the night my focus was I think yes yeah and it was it was I just love it was beautiful and the music and the story and again the the musical like the land of the living is very drab and monitor and then you get to the land of the dead and it's like a matter party and it's colorful and if everybody doesn't live in life to the fullest and it's the land of the dead I love this I love it yeah I don't like it's one of them where everyone keeps on saying you've got love it you've got a love it but I love the look like I said as I said before I am a huge night member for Christmas fan but I kind of never got this one I think I might have been like say one of the ones that passed me by I do try and revisit it but I know it's not Tim Burton but I think Caroline came around at the same time and I know the completely different different films different tones different things but Caroline for me was the dark and more epic story isn't Caroline Henry's Celicle oh no it's nothing to do with Tim Burton but it was just like it was one yeah I think you might be back there because I was looking at because obviously um like that because it's not directed by Tim Burton as is James and the giant peach and I feel so much yeah but you can kind of see when they are teaming up they they work really well but I kind of understand where you're coming from with the corpse right I want to see it at the cinema and this is when I think my interest in Tim Burton started to like dwindle a little bit because it's not about matching like previous because every every film should be its own individual you know kind of excellent but I couldn't help but think well I like the next one because it's better like I think it's all right but I kind of like um appreciated it and I love the characters and the story and the premise but it was wasn't one of those films where I'd be like oh yeah I'm really excited to watch again I would just watch like oh I watch that for a while like I watch that like I appreciate it but I wouldn't say it was one of my kind of go-to Burton films if I wanted to like have a Burton Burton Burton sort of thing it's a great left field choice little shot because I know that as I said there's the so many ones I've always thought you would have went for as well but that was quite a surprise a little bit but I can understand why you'd actually that that's that film as well especially like say with the I can say because the bride and everything is absolutely beautiful I can say even for a model and everything like say everything is done to perfection that's what we said you know what is it didn't have as many flaws as other films I think so it's a little bit too pristine and a little too polished yeah yeah so that kind of lasted to me as well yeah so no good choice so coming to Donna now have you made your mind up or have you just got a long missed you're gonna throw us I think I was torn between Night Maybe Christmas which is probably the obvious one for people and Edward Scissorhands but I think I'm gonna go Edward Scissorhands it's probably the more obvious choice but I think it's just with a being the first one and I love Johnny Deppin it and I just love the story like it's a beautiful story so I would say that one it's such a sad film though I don't think it's a Harry film no no it's not at all part of this part in it where I'm like inwardly cringing like gets there caught up in the robbery and in the shame that he fails and it's just like when he bloody busts the water bed you're like you're pushed so and then the house goes home he's like yeah so Donna what aspects was it that drew you to this one though was it like was it the story or as it was it was it just the pure like weirdness of it sorry I was saying it probably the mixture of everything the story like the fact that the you know one woman just casually goes up and walks into the house and there's a guy who's a guy but you know it's just like a long way you know it's just like a long way away from me. I'm going to take you home with me. That was actually what the bed was actually that was like. It's not where you're pissed at it so don't worry.
Okay I was probably the first time I saw Winona Ryder as a blonde as well which kind of threw me for a loop. It doesn't look right. I'm nosy neighbors. You just get the little.
Oh you slowly start to hear them more and more and the hairstyles get crazier and like the bushes like when they start doing dinosaurs and shit like that that was just hilarious but I just love the tones where the changes going from like when he was in the Mad Scientist haunted house castle thing then coming to suburbia and it was like all bright colors and like Diego and he still was like this peel and everything when trying to put him in a shirt as well I was like oh you feel busted. In society it was like she tried to like help him but I think he helped them. His character his quirks and stuff I mean he brought that kind of you know the individuality of like the hairstyles and the the the the privileged creatures you know what he brought a little bit like kind of weirdness that they come to appreciate but it was that idea in the end there's no truth there was only one person who fully understood him and it was you know Winona Ryder and just which is heartbreaking the fact that he goes back and he still has in his mind the image of what she was in the past and the fact that it never snored until she was like I'm like because it snows and that's like oh it breaks so seriously warms and breaks my heart it's just like it's it's absolutely one of Johnny Depp's best performances. Oh yeah.
It's so simple though. I can see you could have all the actor done like made it ridiculous but he did play just the right tone and everything as well. Well I do think Wythe Poppies won't have done his favorite films as well just simply because they've had the man in from Lost Boys. Yeah.
Best mother in any any any stain films. I love I love ever to say it says a hand. It's like it's just like say tonally like say one of the films and I don't think it's a film that needed a sequel or I don't think you can ever do a sequel or ever be remade because it just wouldn't work. Like say we tell them the same story and I love that like his dad was Vincent Price as well.
Oh was his last role wasn't it? Yeah I think it was one of his last roles he died before he passed away. So having the biggest something and that was the mental often timbert and as well they have such an icon because even their sex for all these films like oh yeah he's done Frank and Weenie as well like the live action not just the the cartoon one before like that was based on Hannah Horror as well so you can see that. Yeah he actually wrote and drew a really short film when he was quite young.
I don't know if he was a teeny guy maybe but whatever it was called Vincent. Yes yes. And it was all about Vincent Price. Oh right I never knew that.
He's like definitely. Yeah and that's it. We've been surprised to be in the film he was like oh it's totally famboy. Especially like it must mean so much to know because it's probably the film that got him a bit more naughty mainstream.
Yeah oh 100% that's why it's for it to be even some places last for all as well like. Yeah I remember like Edward Scissorhands blowing up when that came out and I'll be able to just speak and stuff like I think Edward Scissorhands was like say the one that just went sky-rocking anything you can pretty much do anything you wanted after that. Most companies just give him a thing but he has made some weird and wonderful films as well. I remember like one of the early films I watched as a kid was Peewee's Big Adventure.
Oh my gosh. Yeah. That was a good thing. Yeah but he was going through his bike and trying to get his bike and having the pervert that is Peewee Herman.
He was in then family teams as well was he? Can we think when he was there? Was he? I think he was.
I'd have to look into that. I didn't know but possibly. He's all the vampire the Peewee is the vampire in there the film will be the vampire he's out there. He's the one that all the asks one.
Oh. When I'm picking back up with Edward Scissorhands I remember I won second prize at a church fee to put dressing up as Edward Scissorhands. Put Tal Gummy face and with an old red lipstick and the blun side of a knife did like little cuts and stuff and you'll have the Scissorhands. That's my fingers in tune foil.
That's the safest way. I thought you would have actually used me as well. I think you're using a duck to have Scissorhands. We wrapped back fingers in tune foil and the guy who judged the competition was the ward he was in bike growth.
He had long hair. Everyone's been in bike growth. That's neat. He cleaned the fee.
I'm sorry. I got set in prize there cooking some gifts. She was someone who stresses like Mary. You know.
I was in the house and I went and he was just like oh because you're sure everyone you say the hands are just stuck there. I thought I got a total run. I won't talk a run. I think there was a lot of stories afterwards with Tim Burton after he made these ones.
I thought it was big that he's probably, I don't know, it's always with Hollywood and everything that he's eager to take over. Come into what you mentioned, one of your films is Night Mary for Christmas which is an absolutely beautiful, beautiful, amazing film. But then when you watch, because you thought Tim Burton had more to do without than he actually did. But then when you watched that show, the films that made you, I couldn't believe it.
He had the original concept and he had the idea that there were a few of the characters. But that was it. Then he went off, swand off to give everyone else the job and left them. I think that if someone did disagree or anything, he was completely, apparently from what was on us, he was a complete no bit.
He felt that was Dany Osman was working on that. Yeah, he was like a recast his voice. He told us that he could be Jack Sullins voice and said no. The differences, thankfully.
To be honest, I don't think his films would have been the same without Dany Osman. No, Dany Osman's music may extend into what they are. Or hand in hand, you know you can't have one without the other. So to be honest, I'm glad he kind of, you know, the patch up the difference.
And I really hope Tim Burton, like, I don't know, got a really good fruit basket or something. He's got the other one. He got the other one. That's similar as that.
He got the other one. But I mean, I don't think you can, they have such, you can see the camaraderie of how they work together in the films because it matches so well. I don't think you could have like, unless they had like a good relationship with each other. You know, I don't think it was just the money.
I think it was just like, do you know what, we work well together and we need to work together to make these films as amazing as they became? Do you want to make? See, I wasn't, I wasn't surprised by the movie that made, the thing that surprised me about the movie that made us about Nightmare in the Faux Christmas was that it wasn't heavily featured on Tim Burton because I've got books and books and books and books on it. So I knew, I knew that predominantly it was Tim Burton's idea that I was it.
I really liked the fact that he took the credit and gave it to the people who actually made the film. Yes, that was the director. The script writers and director, the people who were there physically shooting three seconds of film a day. Twelve hours a day in, because I've always said like, as much as I love it, as much as I love Tim Burton, he gets to wait in which credit for film.
Yeah, quite a bit. If I know you can always have that idea, like I'm not saying I'm Tim Burton, but like I did when I came up with the idea when they were at North, it's not my idea anymore. Everyone who's involved has talked about and run with it and made it what it is. I can't take credit for that anymore.
Like, see, all I did was go over an idea. But I think with Tim Burton, especially because I know Disney didn't want anything to do with it, it was too dark, too scary. So instead of one, well Disney's name ever focused was the book Tim Burton's name ever focused, was it Touchstone? The Disney cast off one, it was kind of owned by Disney, but they didn't like to put any into a type thing.
It was more like a more adult film, doesn't it? Because I think they get about you with Touchstone and things like that. No, definitely. But it just shows that certain things and certain perceptions of it, I think it was in there, they would come in for a day and start kicking walls and kicking off saying this isn't what I wanted.
How do they know you've not got the voice? What you wanted if you're not fucking here. Yeah. So, Were you working on it?
Was it about my returns at the same time? Yeah. It was hardly ever there. Because one of us was giving him the one above his money, the DC money there.
So, But, because I think after that he was giving the option to do the next Batman film, Batman, which wasn't Batman forever, was Batman forever, then Batman forever, because he was supposed to be involved and he turned it down. And that's why he turned the wall down as well because he wanted to work with their Jim Burton's last time they got the camera involved. Yeah. That's me.
That's me. That's me. Yeah. Yeah.
He also turned on Gremlins. But, I'm going to. Thank God. Which I think Tim Burton's Gremlins, I kind of want to see, but.
No, no, I think Bremlins was probably paying this area enough for the audience. I don't think I have. Yeah, I think it would have been a bit too cartoon-y with Bremlins. I don't think that would have been my bag.
But, let's say the funniest Hollywood story I heard was Kevin Smith tells the story, any chance you get, it's hilarious. Basically, because when before Tim Burton got involved with the infamous Superman film, because Tim Burton was actually going to be making Superman, I guess it was supposed to be playing Superman? Nicolas Cage. Nicolas Cage.
And it had him in outfits and everything as well. The images have been released. It's weird. But yeah.
But basically, before Tim Burton took over, the hired Kevin Smith to write the script for Superman, because they thought big nerd, big Superman fan, we're having a go wrong. So, so he wrote this script that involved like Brainiac Crypto was in the dog. Like there was a big battle scene in the fortress of solitude. So you can get the script online.
It's absolutely amazing. It's one of the, it's when I read it, it's unfilable. It's fantastic. Oh, it's, it's Kevin Smith doing Superman.
And he took it to the producers who would make it, and Kevin Smith was like, okay, so what changes do we have? He goes, you know what? Superman needs to fight. He's good.
Okay, what? What's the most deadliest thing you can ever think of? What men are terrified of? And he goes, okay, what?
Superman needs to fight a giant fucking spider. So Kevin Smith was like, I went through all the law, went through all the box toys. Superman has never fought a giant spider. That doesn't make sense.
But this Hollywood producer, one of those went, spiders are terrifying. Everyone gets scared of spiders, and he should do it. So Kevin Smith is like, fuck this shit. I'll say what we do.
So he never wrote a giant spider into it. I will cut the timber and bit in a second, just this way, so like this. The producer ended up getting fired from the film, and moved on to a different film. Well, not fired, got produced another film.
Guess what film he produced? Will Smith and Helbert Klein? Wild, wide west. And what was the big bad guy in it?
Kind of brother on a giant robotic spider. A spider? So yeah, so he goes giant spider that fucking flop. So, so after this producer got, and that go brought timber and on to direct, Superman.
So, the integers Kevin Smith, they still have Kevin Smith writing to the script. If you give Tim Burton the next year, Kevin Smith was fine. From Superman, because it wasn't Tim Burton's vision, but it wouldn't even really meet Kevin Smith or explain why. So for years, Kevin Smith has signed the script, which as I said, you can download off the internet.
And at the top, you always write, fuck you, Tim Burton. Look, for me, it's like, what he's called his class, as his dream job back then. Tim Burton, you want to say to him that, or he, after Batman, one came out? Yeah, after Batman, one came out, he was banned from all comic-on events, because of how much he deviated from the comics.
So yeah, I'm all about, to be fair, I've always had to be round about the Batman. So I'm not going to go into them, get all upset again. But I think with a lot of aspects, he does that. And I don't think it's a bad thing at times.
Like sometimes it works, sometimes it does. Like I know a lot of people love, sleepy hollow, but I'm in the middle of the sleepy hollow. I love the aspects. I love the vision.
But I don't like Johnny Depp in it. And I like Johnny Depp in most things. And I go back to 21 Jump Street, I think it was good in that. But I just don't think it's a weird role for him.
And I don't get the aspects of how his mum was killed. And what was it that made? Well, I made him, that's what I was trying to say. How he became scared of blood and that aspect.
And how the blood looked like to not catch up, it never looked quite like to catch up. It was supposed to be like, Burton's homage to Hamara, though, wasn't it? It was supposed to look cheesy and a bit weird. Okay, I love the fact that EPA's homage to the things that like made him, which leads me to something that I think gets really like, bad rap and I don't know why.
And I love, I love marz attacks. Thank you. I'm using it as a part of the book. I don't like master, master's.
I'm like this master. It's like Burton, comes up with me. Hey, yeah, fancy making like a 44 or something. Oh, I know.
On it's just a part of his head on a job, fucking class. I'll check this. I'll check this. I'll check this as one of my disaster movies.
And I'll be like, no, it's crap. It's fucking me. No. Um, it's busy all the world's done poorly.
And the fact that the spend the film is going, Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Again, a simple putting a little, just tell you what the fuck the same would be more free. Yeah, that'd be so cold. Sometimes would have been comedy.
And then I'd say, ripping off all the world again with instead of like the cold virus, having this horrendous song killing off all the aliens and the greens and it was just like, the cast. It should have been acting amazing. Yeah. But it is a bit cheesy.
It's excellent. It should have been hilarious. I agree. It should have been hilarious.
There was so many missed opportunities. Like visually you won't get a more beautiful film. I think it's a laugh. I love it because it's a laugh.
The knocks it themselves seriously at all. The rules are ridiculous. Fucking Tom Jones, man. I don't know what kind of the yes.
I've rather watched him but it's kind of the yes. You know what? I guess I do understand people's take on it but I see this film as just it wasn't set out to be a blockbuster. It's a bit of fucking fun.
I can see it visually. They spent money on this so they wanted to make money but I'll imagine that. I probably thought like in my mind, I just see it as for what it is and it is just a bit of fucking fun. It's a black, hilarious in it.
It should have been so much better though. No, I do. But as I say like he's playing homage to like getting all those collecting cards back in the day, the beauty movie, horror. I love love, Martin Short, I introduce.
That's why I always like to get a little bit skeptical when I'm skeptical. I think there's a fine line between homage and written off. And I think certain phones he does it well. Yeah, this one he rips off more than he plays homage to.
Oh, I just hilarious. But the cards on fire, that used to make it. I think that's why like he's more recent films I fell out with a bit because he doesn't pay homage to like his influences and what made him want to get into films and things like that. As much like I hated what he asked anybody that way but I hated what he did to the Miss Peregris series that film.
I want to watch it. That's probably one of my absolute favorite series of books and the film. When I heard Tim Burton doing this program, I was like, yes, this is what he was needed to do. And then I saw what we got.
And it didn't feel like a Tim Burton film and I think he's using that a lot of it because he's more than a studio. Yeah, it's more mixing because I think back when he was doing like for example Edward Cisner's, it was all practical effects. Now, it's a CGI mess with a lot of the stuff, especially like Zidumbo and like Zid with Miss Peregris as well. It had such a rich interest in what could have been like the story that could have fallen, I guess.
What were you doing? Do you disagree or do you agree with anything you were saying here? Sorry, quiet. I'll go back to sleep and hold off first.
I have not been able to get through the full movie. I always get to go back halfway so I want to either get sidetrack or get bored or fall asleep and I can't get through that one. I think if I need to watch all the way through to get the full picture but I can't get to that one. And when you're talking about Charlotte, I actually went to the cinema to say that when it came out.
So I haven't made the books obviously but I got what you mean, it just wasn't that good. I remember being excited for it. I actually not really remember the much of the movie now. Yeah, I think that's the problem with it as well.
It's not memorable and it should have been. Sorry, but I was going to say that I was going to say that I was going to say about sleepy hollow as well. Yeah, because it's certain bits where you flag and it makes it there's loads. I know you want like tones and valleys and stuff and it comes from if you don't want it always be straight out of 10 or straight thing but it kind of loads too long as well.
So if you enough paying your full attention, you're not going to be sitting in your warm grip yet. But yeah, sorry about each other. No, I was going to say if you read the book, if you've read the book, they'll be a bit of a bit and I think maybe that's definitely what you try to do. You hear things like sweet hollow and you hear things like Miss Peregrine, you hear things like you're doing the Adam's army and you think yes, this is me a bit and then and he tries to maybe give people something unexpected rather than giving people what he's known for.
If that makes sense. Which is where I think that he's going a little bit off. Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. Like I said, maybe changing things for change and sake but he's kind of lost the darkness element as well.
He's got a lot of stuff like it's still got the same tones and stuff. Like Dumbo, I think he went to opposite and characters just had no redeeming features but a lot of the characters in previous version as redeeming features. To be honest, as a cartoon, Dumbo is one of the scariest and most upsetting cartoons. Like when the elephants on parade, that song comes on, you never like, nightmare for life.
There's only been all of you I think that's scary and it comes to Disney cartoons. I just hope to see as a fuck away from that. But I can't watch Dumbo because there's an elephant in it. I can't watch any films with animals because my dogs are fucking leech all right with animals or anything.
It's hilarious. But I really mirror your like what you were saying Charlotte about really being excited to see you know what Miss Howard Graham. My love for Timmy was lost with Alice in Wonderland. I am a massive fan of the Disney film.
Obviously a massive fan of the books and you know what I mean just absolutely John and when I heard he was doing it I was just I was like oh my god is this there? I'm gonna get into Wonderland because I did it's Alice. I think it was released. Also they also released the Alice in Wonderland DS game which I bought.
I bought it then I went to the cinema on my own to watch it and back under the light of Burton and I sat there like this. It was a lot of choices in the film. Visually it was stunning it really was visually it was beautiful when it just it was in Wonderland. No.
It was like yes this is brilliant and then like I've probably thought about it. I was like no is it it was Alice in Wonderland that was the problem. I was like I was like what do you try to do when you should have just done Alice in Wonderland it was almost like it was a sequel but it wasn't a sequel. I still say that visually it was brilliant.
I really enjoyed it. It's one of them things where you hear about it and you think everything takes the box but it was almost like you was scared to pull the trigger. As you said it was kind of like a sequel to Alice without being a sequel. It was like what happened now if she's all a little bit older and she goes to the thing and again I know I'm doing Wonderland so I was going to be hard but the amount of CGI they did use I got twinkle day and twinkle dumb was unnecessary.
Ridiculous. I found it. I did like the actress who played Alice. I thought she did really well.
I love Finn Glover. Chris Finn Glover is just my spirit animal. I fucking love him. He's weird.
He's class. It's a fantastic character when like as him you know what I mean but it just felt like oh you got her in a bottom card rain because she's good and like I just oh this Wonderland do you know what I'm saying? In the world. The coronation of the big web.
The macaras and niggas. A lot of the cast I did like I loved my machine as like rabbit. Yeah I loved I loved that. I was just complaining as I was just complaining.
I was just complaining. I was just complaining. She had all the staples of amazingness. I had to be looked at amazing.
She really did. She was brilliant. So it did have all the ingredients. It just wasn't right.
I guess. Yeah it's a difficult one. I think everyone's gone. I think it's not a 10-burnt film but the remake.
Well not the remake. The sequel came out. Returned Oz. Not the scary one.
What was the one that was there? So James Frankwell. I was a great helpful. Yeah.
Because everyone's got a vision of what the Wizard of Oz and like it looks like and how the feel should be. And if you don't get it right it doesn't fit and it doesn't fit and it's I think it's the same with Wonderland. Everyone's got that idea and I don't think many people have got a different idea to what what Wonderland should be or anything like that. So when you deviate away too far from the big track what you believe or like the Wizard of Oz it's harder to accept.
I always cut Alice in Wonderland a bit and Alice in Wonderland a little bit. It's like because I'm such a fan of the bit and because I'm such a fan of Alice in Wonderland. I think my expectations were really high. Yeah.
I think you're the Queen of Wonderland to be fair. That was my problem as well. I mean I've got Alice in Wonderland tattoos. I've always been a massive fan.
I was over the moon when Vivian Westwood brought out Alice in Wonderland. Like kind of copy of the book which was like I was a sort of person like oh we got out of her. I'll get the D&D and I got a stuff and but it just it really felt like me and it was do you know what I left with this plastic smile on my face thinking oh was it so bad? I don't know how I got a sequel.
That was the thing but the sequel was worse. The thing is what Tim Burton he doesn't do too many sequels I was surprised that this came out. Was this a single Tim Burton? Was it?
Was it? I felt like Tim Burton. It did feel like a whole bit actually. I never actually watched the sequel but um I didn't actually I mean I didn't love it but I didn't mind the first one but I think you know I'm not as much of it as a Wonderland fan as you don't care.
You saw a probably a lot. Your talk is probably more of the fan of Alice like the game the Dark, Alice in the Dark World eventually with all the chains and the whips and stuff. I must say I brought some little friends because I knew I was one of like upset myself with the Alice chap but it had to be said because as I say it was it was a moment where I kind of corpseed through Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and it was now. What I've thought about that?
I'm gonna use it again. It was good. It was good. I was gonna agree.
It was good. Staring Girl from the Melly Colley Daffod voice to boy. Yes I have. It was fine.
I have trash girl and one of my personal favorites the boy with meals in his eyes. Yeah I love it. Yeah I'm coming out talking about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I don't think I can have it sorry.
That's all the bad one thing I can take. I'm a huge role doll fan and I love the Gene Wilder one even though the role is all here. But the travesty is the dead. It was true but in the book it was but again you think role doll Timbitt and Matthew and Kevin?
And it wasn't quite. It didn't quite work. No but it was Johnny Daffod's teeth and that film I just couldn't stop from having. Only collaboration I've enjoyed for role.
I mean I did like James and the Giant Peach too. No James and Danny. George's Marvelous Medicine on Chaconore with Fucking Rick Mill. That is just finished reading because there was so much there.
Fantastic Mr Fox the Wes Anderson film he loves it. So I said we fought the boog to want me to read that. I mean a few chapters and I bloody loved it. We've read that.
We've read the twits and we just finished George's Marvelous Medicine and he thought it was absolutely amazing and I am going to like get him to watch you know kind of because I just loved it you know what I mean but I just it's you would think role doll and Tim Burton go well and it just as I say it's later Escapades Burton fell flat with me but it's a good job. He's got redeeming features um regardless of his earlier exploits which are your dogs. You think that's Tim Burton coming out now? I'll be like nah I'll get him to get him if don't worry miss I'm quite happy that my dogs don't like animals who I don't watch it.
You know I think the Golden Age of Burton was the right he's like 90 for most the Golden Age of Burton. When he was allowed to just do what he wants to do but again you don't know if it's a studio or if it's just him just like winging it now just saying I can just put me name to anything and people would say it but I think that again I know you mentioned earlier Charlotte with what's coming out next with him doing the albums finally it's not well I'm sorry sorry it's Wednesdays. Wednesdays yeah yeah it's having like Wednesday all grown up I think Catherine Z the Jones has been more Tisha. I am isn't it Louise the Gusman is Gormis?
Yes yeah I think could work I can paint it like that. Yeah well 35 doesn't have to be handsome and there just has to be charm and and worship. I'm really interested to see how he translates from movie to today. Yes because as I might be wrong but I don't want to eat television before has he?
I don't think so not like he's done documentaries or like short stuff I have but he's never done like a limited series or anything like that so well because I don't think he can go anywhere when it comes to films anymore because like say these latest ones as you said Dark Shadows which was a bit of a mess this Perrigan Dumbo I don't know if he's caught in the after Disney's run out so I don't know if he's got to be making any other things any other live action ones that would fit with the Tim Burton maybe I wouldn't mind seeing this version of Peter Pan. I don't know if anybody's seen it based on an artist in the courtroom I mean in the 60s I think it was and it wasn't it wasn't a typical Tim Vint film it was just he was telling the story of this artist who you'll know the key things because I think they're quite classically girls with big eyes but I was willing to call the credit for her art and then divorce it and she got nothing for it and it's just a character piece like there's a few elements of Tim Vint in there like visually not but it's just a character piece and it's probably one of these better movies than those. I like because it's just storytelling yeah I like Duncan Wieni I know it's something really I didn't like I enjoyed the original but I did enjoy this and was it Soundtrap was lovely so I covered one there in the A is just like one of the bad things. What I love now is that I can put a Tim Burton film on like such as like Night Night before Christmas I mean he's obsessed with Night Night before Christmas, but he's on the songs the words and everything he loves it then he's got his outfit and stuff watch Frank Wieni and he loves that and it's nice because then a little bit like what you were saying earlier so when I get to watch Edward's hands I do hope at some point I watch other films but then like I know I watch Beaten's when I was four the idea of that might so much be it was just like puts shivers down my spine what the hell is like trying to be us you know but but at some point I think he'd appreciate it and enjoy it and but as I say he's later exploits apart from Frank Wieni it's a big big thumbs down from me.
I'd love to see him do some more animation because I like to see him do some more animation. I'd love to see him get back to that. Yeah just take it back a few steps now. But I said just before we come to do because as I was talking about music as well we might as well talk about because I know I'm not a big fan of it but Donna and Charlotte Bauf said they enjoyed it so I'll let you talk about the throwing into the music aspect.
Oh no I'm in your camp call. Yes but I can say they're like it so we'll give them a chance to talk about it. That's basically what if Tim Burton is going to do a musical it's going to be about putting people in pies isn't it? Yes!
I'm with you. I just love the title though. I did love the title Sweeney Todd the demon barber of Fleet Street and again having a jonnie dep and Ken the bonacard I know like I said he's like the art perfect cast him. I just wish it wasn't old singing that's all because Johnny Depp kind of sing.
I think that's what you do with the stage show because the stage is always predominantly singing as well and obviously that being a student sometime stage show originally you don't really mess with that too much. I agree. I know it's probably down to my personal preference or anything like that but it got all quite quickly I think. I was with the president Helen, Helen Bonacard is quite honest to be honest.
Yeah. I remember because I was really excited when I came out so I'm really excited I still really love it. It's probably a bit of a guilty pleasure because there's not many people do but I still really love it and I remember Helen Bonacard is acting in a community without this was her dream role. Since she saw what when she was a kid from like being tiny she just wanted to be Mrs.
Lovett to the point where he made her audition for it and made her prove she was singing and it wasn't just like the other films I was like okay. Yes, you can have the part. He made her work for this one. But yeah I really do love it.
Really cool accents as well like the London Star accent to the suits it's all well. Yeah. You can tell it's such a trained actress you know what I mean she's just so good at watching her. And she was pregnant for a lot of the film as well so a lot of the more like physical scenes because Mrs.
Lovett has quite a few physical scenes towards the end. They said of like I think he spent like a large portion of the budget which I should be serious because I should be pregnant with his kids. Oh, bad news when I was talking. No, you're like a stick thing so didn't work.
So I don't know what was it. It was just basically like generally because it's a bit sinister and a bit dark. So I thought you were the dark side there. I guess so I don't really know why I like it so much.
I think it is just the silent you know like. I know you're a big fan of musicals as well though. Yeah. Yeah.
That comes out to it but actually I don't mind it. He's singing it actually. I was just another soundtrack earlier when I was getting ready. This was the first reason when I was listening to what I was like kind of like imagining what Hugh Jackman would be in the style of it.
Of course. Do you read this one Hugh Jackman in any style? That's the best thing for you to do that. Like it's the side of the singing like the side of the singing that he had and it kind of I felt like he was trying to go for like a style of Hugh Jackman in his singing voice.
Yeah. It reminds us a lot of Les Miserables were out there. The movie that went back in there was a lot similar but as said with the dark of him. But to be fair though if you were going to say you imagine a Hugh Jackman of your own awful was don't like.
I'm going to go through a podcast with that moment and Hugh Jackman. Okay. Yes. So at least it's not like Dr.
Carson hitting Hugh Jackman so that's fine. But the cast in this was absolutely up there as well. Like I just said, Tony Depp, Hannah Bonne, Alan Rickman, Timothy Small as well. And Sashabon, look, I'll take his way to Sashabon for him.
And all he films that I can start him in. I'm not a big fan of him and I thought he was great in this. Yeah. When he does see us he does see us well.
He does musicals really well. He was in what him in Hong Kong in Lymis. And he was brilliant in it. Yeah.
So yeah. I think sometimes it doesn't take himself so seriously though. But yeah, I think with any type of, because with even being as controversial as he is, because I think he is a controversial director for not these views but for the fact that he didn't go with the green and wanted to stand out and be different to the time where everyone was going saying this is how you have to fit in. I think he'll always be as iconic for that and he gave us so much.
When you think of Tim Burton, you think of Tim Burton, you think it's a plethora of films out there but there's not as many as you probably would think with other directors or other producers. I think his quality had ensured us a lot more and that's why he's probably stood the test of time. Yes. And we're still talking about him to be like, not many directors now started in the 80s and now in 2022 and were so excited or interested in films that they are involved in.
How many directors have probably spailed out? A lot of these films of age really well. You could put Edward's art hands on now and because it's all practical effects, it's aged really well. And there's not many directors that you can see that about.
No. It's something that Edward does handle. The idea is all now. Oh my god.
Oh my god. Sorry. Cheers. Cheers.
You could watch it tomorrow and it doesn't have, it's not dated, it doesn't have sort of exists outside of time. You could put it on now and be like, oh this is based by the end of all. It's been fair times a lot. They are just a lot of time a lot of things and you're on that line.
I'm sure my wife would agree with that one. But yeah, no. This week I watched Edward for the first time, actually I hadn't seen it before. Edward.
It was a strange one. I was well thought because I had night shifts the previous morning. I fell asleep half way through and walked up in the morning on the set. And I was like, where am I?
Where am I? So you were actually Edward then? So what did you think of it then Donna? I actually quite enjoyed it.
And I noticed that King Paine was in it, was called Vincent. Vincent's not real. Yeah. He's in everything.
He's in everything. I quite enjoyed it. I think Johnny Depp did really good in that style, like the why director style. Oh, I think it's very eclectic.
I don't think many people like Tim Burton, you probably would be more gondered. But if you showed it to someone now that had no idea who Tim Burton was or any of these previous were, they were probably watching or what the fuck am I watching? It absolutely bombed. I absolutely bombed.
It absolutely bombed. Yeah. I think it only got a resurgence 10-15 years after it was eight. With a lot of films I found it's voice on EVHS or DVD.
And I mean, a lot of Tim Burton films have been that, maybe for Christmas. As huge as it is now, it's got a cold following now. Oh, yeah. It's cold.
Yeah. And it's huge as huge as it is now, the middle of the day is everywhere and everybody knows it. It's great when it first came out. I think it doesn't even went all over it now.
Exactly. But on release, on release, it kind of passed people by. Yeah. I'm quite grateful that I got into it when it originally came out.
Like, I was in like the thick of it and it was just one of these films that I used to talk about with it still and everyone was like, you talk about it. Watch twice during or something. I was just like, no, maybe for Christmas. You know, something that really just, I used to, I actually wore out my VHS from watching it that much.
I had dawed it so much. So I feel really grateful that like, you know, I was there when it happened, you know what I mean? And it's so lovely that I can bond with my son over. I will like kind of, you know, joint love about it.
I just see a big high list like I specked off it was just so nice. Yeah. You think, because we think about how many films it's up. That between generations and get passed down using Disney and all that.
But Tim Bin does it quite well because like Donna said, she sat and watched Edward and Sarah Holmes and probably enjoyed it even more because you were watching it. Was it like a couple of other novels? Like, because she was like glued like, she would normally should like, halfway through. Maybe like, I want to go on my phone and go upstairs or whatever.
But she did not want this one. That's quite important. No, that's cool. That's a really nice moment.
And I said that, like, it goes back to how Nerdy up North started as well. Because me too, actually one of your good friends, Judy, who I've told the story many times, I'll keep telling the story because I absolutely love it. It's the fact that she showed her two bands, the Goonies for the first time. And she took videos and photos of their reactions, like how they were scared and how engrossed and how the cheer, that certain points and just showed you how special films can be.