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I am the host Paul and go to technical difficulties. We were a little bit late because the software is updated and it's not working. So yes, we are doing a new episode of the Nodiot North podcast and we are breaking them all the little bits. We are going back to something we haven't done for a long time since the conspiracy theory one where we are just want to have a general chat about what we know about what we heard and how we feel ourselves.
Urban legends kind of came into things and it's and we've got Jake and the lovely Grant who's got about a soft voice to the air and he's even joining us through the PM. So I hope everyone appreciates the effort they are these guys are putting in. Yes, hello. Sounds like very serious there.
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They were apologized for the dead air for a bit. We were talking about the conversation. Yes, welcome to Grant to this week's episode where we are going to be talking about urban legends and all grants got a sore throat. So once again, thank you for fighting through the pain barrier there.
Oh, yes. Sorry about that little tentacle clip, but this is going to be what I got a little call back to what we did on the conspiracy episode where we just talked about our views, what we've heard about, what we know about urban legends, where we feel like urban legends has came from. And just generally have a laugh. So this could be quite boring.
It could be quite intimate. It's going to go somewhere. But yes, so it's going to be all the fun of the show. It's possible.
Well, we don't have any legends. This is one question I need to ask you. Just this one. You're doing I really need to change out a bit about how you doing what you're watching?
How's your week being? I let the other two guys go first. How are you two guys doing? Now we just another boring work week for me.
Yeah, I get the feeling you guys maybe want to talk about some of that D23 goodness and seeing all the best you did. Sounds always about talking about the D so yes. Should I have the sub urban for that one? Yeah, the D23 now, I feel like that's been the biggest thing that's happened this week.
Yes, we've been quite excited for this since San Diego comic con with model kind of tease a little bit of so for didn't really give us a lot. And the left a lot of stuff out that we've all kind of open that we would have got. So we were sitting in anticipation last night when the announce that they were going to be live streaming it to everyone. But the foot and I to us in the little vase.
Yeah, we're watching the live stream about this is so Raven and all these Disney TV shows going on. We don't give a fuck about this. I can't talk about that. It's good show.
Yes. So my big exciting points were actually the Mandalorians trailer looks absolutely like it's going to go into interest and takes and all the all the Ron, I say that this star was that one has so much one vibes. Oh, and or thing. And also that was it.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's like it's all the same team, isn't it?
And obviously it's the same character, but I think I think it's like them getting to do a little prequel of their own movie. Yeah, that's going to be good. I was really excited by like that Star Wars story, like Jedi stories thing. It's me too.
Me too. I was just trying to look for the picture of this because I couldn't remember the name. But it's from the guys obviously, it's starting from cool was and and it's like Dooku story and they're like young Dooku when he was like Wagon's master and stuff like that would be at sea what made him like leave the Jedi Order. I'm incredibly sorry for the dog fight behind us.
That's your best. Another dog related by first. But yes, sorry. We did get some juicy night announcements and I before as well, like the trailer for August 2 looks absolutely phenomenal.
Get a girl got a lot as the evil queen in Snow White is perfect custom, which I'm going to live for. Move faster, being announced inside out to Disney's really going hard with these singles, it seems and prequels coming forward. But like say, with Marvel, like say with great response early, it comes with disappointments, it seems. One big disappointment.
The rest of it was pretty cool. Yeah, but like I said, the big one that we were all waiting for the fantastic four and they're like, yeah, here's a fantastic four. It's director, not going to tell you anything about the character. That's it.
The director and I still don't have a fucking clue who he is. I mean, a lot of like, a lot of those like insufferable movie fans love talking about directors. So like, really that up. Like, I was really disappointed in the secret wall Australia.
I was like, well, yeah, I was like, all right. So yeah, Nick Fury's just running around being told he's wrong about stuff like that's normal. I don't know. This didn't show enough.
And I feel like they've been like building it up for so long. I was like, yeah, where's where's the soups? It'll be interesting how they do it because obviously the theory has a relationship with the scrolls. And it would be interesting to see how they're going to go to that and the biggest one for me was, oh gosh, I mean, I'm completely like now, and the werewolf one where we'll find by night.
Yes. The first appearance of month month month thing as well. I think it's incredibly steep a title though. I know we're like, it's the comics title, but please.
I think it's one of the joke about it and you're not going to get their well with my deal. Yeah, so which is a fair point. But they are going very b-movie s with it. I know what you would have been all for that time.
So and it's got Dee Dee in from Frasier. He's manager. She's also Eve in an exiles episode of the calling Eve's G of the main one. Our voice is just really in shape.
The shrieks that we're going to do is great. And I am heart. I'm so excited for that. Is it I heart?
Yeah. Yeah, we're really Williams. I can't wait for that. And I didn't catch anything with the Marvels.
I don't think I'm going to think I'm going to announce the return in the Marvels. I'm excited for Goose. Goose is back. We're getting a flergen back in the fall.
It's not important to see some action, but again, nor Guardians of the Galaxy nor like the news on Spiderman. The only thing I was excited about as well is the news up there. Devil is going to be a complete reboot. It's going to be a start again.
Rihash. So the map murder we've seen in Netflix is normal, unfortunately guys. But yeah, I'm all for that. And I'm sorry, Grand Sada Sitzer, I want to listen to us busy work for it all about that as well because he's been very patient.
You're going to be watching anything I'm interested this week. Well, I mean, I've been watched all of corporate guys new season, which I'm very, very happy with. And absolutely watching rings of power on release. It's actually a part of this episode of when the action of waiting until it all came out at the end and then watch it in one goal, but I'm just obsessively watching it on the Peter Jackson movies way to collect what I come out.
I love it because I'm waiting until the end. So to hear that you're enthusiasm about the programs I make this like I'm itching to watch it now, but I know I want to wait because I know how impatient I am. So waiting for that to finish in house of Dragon before I start watching them and then I go home, I will be watching go over time. So much to watch when I go home.
Yeah, I really enjoy Lord the Rings too. It's got it's got some of that heart that I felt like the Hobbit missed. Before I bring this to chase down with that, yeah. So yes, some will get to the main event, the main subject well, some some develop the sneeze.
And if you want to do this this game of the pleasure. Oh, yeah. So I'm interested in our opinions and our opinions along. If you want to come in this was anything from tonight's episode, please come and join us in the Facebook group where we can have an open session or what we won't have as anyone comment person tell us our opinions are wrong.
We can agree to screen and so let's give a phone, give a kind and keep the toxic behavior out of notism. And she's all right now. I don't know. Precious childhood memories being pushed out by this knowledge.
One thing you have to go just to replace that. So the main event, like, I think this was Jake's, Jake wasn't being asked to do this for quite a while. Yeah, legends one it basically spun out from the conspiracy podcast because I had like some unused notes because we didn't really get around to like this area too much. That makes sense because we we kind of stuck with like real world events and twisted theories on those rather than like we didn't go too much into the fantastical if that makes sense.
Yeah. If anyone hasn't watched the conspiracy one, I think this one will go hand in hand with like the subjects and the aspects that we didn't talk about because sounds not confused. Oh, again, just to make sure I didn't double up on anything. It's a good one.
We have we didn't get shut down by the FBI. So I don't think we're hitting on anything too on the nose. The channels didn't go off. We should have planned that at some point for anything just to go off and say.
Well, yes. So because that was kind of conversation about women wife about this like early today, like because she always likes to know what what emotions and what's the part I should know what we're going to be talking about and how the discussions want to go. And so I was talking about urban legends and stable what consists of an urban legend. I went to just basically one of these like he said she said or everyone's got like a friend.
I mean, it probably goes a bit deeper than that in my mind, of course, like folklore, like town tales around the campfire, like anything where there's a story being told. And then someone's busy to put a twist on that story. It was always like that type of fail. I don't know if anyone else has that type of viewpoint or maybe have different viewpoints.
No, I mean, for me, it's like the modern myth that doesn't come from like like grim fairy tales. If that makes sense. It's like those are like regarded as like stories, but they probably did come out of some like tales around the campfire. Like you were saying about like seven seven known people who live in the woods, that kind of thing.
But yeah, I feel like the thing that makes it an urban legend, it definitely can be like word of mouth. But I think it's also like the modern, more modern nature of it. Like it's not it's not in your story books. It's just kind of like things that have popped up in the area.
Sometimes it's just like weird local stuff and sometimes the local stuff so interested and it gets like picked up by newspapers and kind of spreads and especially with the internet, it is much easier to spread legends than ever before. That's the thing that's going to be been the big change in like stories and how myths and things can evolve as the internet. Like as as we normally have to have obviously a few of the aspects we'll talk about tonight, how things can grow and get out of hand because of the internet and certain aspects to to certain urban legends. But I was always like the idea of like, because I think during like the early 50s and the 60s, a lot of the urban legends that these hotels, it was busy to tell kids not have sex and like go off in cars and be like be safe and just to scare people to be a bit more wary and stuff like that.
So it was always like that kind of mindset around them type of areas is always intrigued or fascinated as at times as well. So yeah, you're right. Like the whole like like the slasher on make out point to type of type of story. I guess you're talking about the like the hooked handman.
Then when you when you escape like the hooks left on your door handle, you know, at the end, it's like it was actually real. But I guess that's like it's a bit like I know what you did less summer and kind of ripped off that kind of Americana tail really didn't it. I think you were a film on it. Like they do urban legends.
So like around that genre of slasher in the 90s, they did do urban legends. And I think that's my only one of the legends. Sam's viewpoint. You probably you probably know a lot more than you probably realize because everyone who are not like even like people's towns villages, like even when you go to a new school, there's different legends and different things like different things like all of them stuff.
I mean, like I was saying, I listened back to conspiracy cast and Sam herself mentioned the coast to coast EM radio show, which is entirely full of urban legend. Basically. Our bell being named was our bell who was there. Yeah.
Yeah. I guess I do. I know a lot of people do. Yeah, you do.
What about Grant? I know like say you've got a bit sore voice. So I will keep coming for you from point of my door. What's your view point on this?
It doesn't really have any more now do. It's just about that. The voices even lower than it normally is. I'm like calling dolphins in from the sea and all such.
To me, like the urban legends, they're always going to be tied into the original myths and the original forego in the sense that there's always to me, at least up until the dawn of the digital generation, there were always cautionary tale. Every open myth, you know, much the same as most foregoer in general, always had this kind of, you know, the he-man epilogue at the end. You know, like by the way, this means don't do drugs. So by the way, this means don't drive too fast or whatever it might be since the advent of the internet and what have you, I think, go to myths have taken on a very different guise to what they had for decades, not even centuries beforehand.
But yeah, the more modern ones almost seem to come out of propaganda, if you will, as opposed to just the tale of caution, there's a little bit more of an agenda against spreading false information under the guise of fact, you know, they get people to do what you want them to do, which is what open myths were originally, it's telling the story, you're scared, and it'll be culturally and not doing the dumb thing that we don't want them to do. Dress it up in something that's more interesting than just seeing that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
No, definitely. It's always, as I said, I think as growing up as well, you get told them more when you're kids and you get told like, they're starting really innocent enough, like, I think the basic ones is don't stand on a crap, you'll break your mother's back and stuff like that. Or if you eat swallow, like an apple seed, a burrow in your stomach and grow like stalks and it'll kill you and stuff, it'll eat you and go and attach itself to your organs and kill you and stuff like that. It was just like the one thing that used to scare kids or keep kids at its end.
Hello, that apple seed one, like they do contain cyanides, I've eaten up for them. I don't want to talk about a school court train. I'm not going to talk about the country. I don't want to talk about the country.
My granddad used to use the one because I was notorious for biting my hair. That's really long hair as a kid. And I was notorious for chomping on my hair. And he granddad used to say, you do know that there was a kid who used to eat their hair and when they had to operate on them, when they operated on them, they found out that there was a hairball the size of a rugby ball inside their stomach.
And that's what happened to you, you can continue eating your hair. I tested that theory. It didn't. It wasn't a trip.
Lipsotolotil. But that's what I love about these as well, because you will, like when you get in the teenage stuff, you always find someone will go, my best friends, cousin, last girlfriend, ex-husband, happened to this and it's really a true story. It's always someone that I've heard from, or like, no one's actually known these type of things. I think the big one as well, I think the main joke about it in the urban legends was the rock, the pop and candy and cork, like they always kill them and if you mix them together and stuff, because the things that you would make you explore is what's going, like, say, oh no, it's really going to happen and stuff.
But then you, again, as you were a kid, because you were a bit naive, you were always a little bit nervous. But don't you always want to try it. There's always that little bit of like evil inside yourself. It actually happens.
But you always like check what arms of it is true. It's that type of aspect. I'm pretty sure you were just like basically barf up form, which might not be nice, but like you'd be right. I think it's a explore, like, oh, you cheek.
I used to do cheek with explores. And all the aspects as well as I think, like just to give a big shout out to the chapters, the chapters won't be crazy at all as well. Beth just mentioned as well, if you're pulling the face and the wind changes, it'll keep you like that as well. I think that is always quite an entertaining one.
When exactly has anyone ever noticed the wind change? And by the way, change the direction. It changes the face will stay like that. That was a common one for me grandmother.
Yeah, I'm sure that one and the hair one as well, for sure. But yeah, like I guess like it also like links in really well to like pop culture and movies because people hear these kind of random stories and then eventually end up making movies out of them where they get to be like, oh, it's real now. Like, and Chris, Chris, Chris, you could do a whole movie about hair. So just with what JX just said about pop culture and like movies, I want to do an experiment now just because it is like one of my favorite ones and I know the bastardized a little bit with Candyman as well and the difficult version of supernatural about this, like the old Bloody Mary tale.
Like if you say Bloody Mary in a mirror three times, it would come back and something would like this. I'm not listening back on you. So I might just have to say it could happen in any of our viewers house as well, you know. So here's a mirror.
So like say there's a pop mirror. So this is a live demonstration that say if a type of shit is real. So if I die, this is what this is for this is for content guys. So we'll see how this goes.
So like looking in the mirror. So I can try Bloody Mary. Bloody Mary. Bloody Mary.
Oh, that was a pop. That was a pop. Oh, no. The humanity.
I'll come back. Can I go find the light now? I just need a flash. Oh, no, it's a reverse flash.
We went everything. We had a sort of plan. I thought that would work. That was fun.
And you're still alive, therefore legend of us. Yes. So yes, we did try it live and I'm still here. So thank you, Nicole.
So obviously like, obviously that one has had like, like you're saying, Candyman follows that almost exactly. And also like Beetlejuice like comes into that as well. That's like, you know, say the name Street Arms. And it's like, that's an interesting one because that was definitely like a one I remember from childhood where people wouldn't do it in the mirror.
Or you'd get like people saying it like twice and then like checking it out type of thing. Never want to run away and be like, I've got to go home. New man says I have to be home like right now. I think Mary Ann Cotton was a big one for us.
Yes. From where I'm from. I'm like, Spitting distance. I used to actually live in the street where she actually committed some of the crimes.
But I was like, Spitting distance from Durham. You could literally see Durham on the other side. And we used to always, if we were tall, we had blonde hair with a gold ring and you had a pointed in the direction of where the prison would have been. And you had it, there was obviously the ring and if it starts swinging, she's there with you.
Yeah. Yeah. I think, I can say with a lot of these as well, you'll see. It'll only work if it's like on a Friday or at midnight or one minute after midnight or something.
That was always just to change the rules ever so slightly. Yeah. Even though the witching hour is three o'clock. So not midnight.
I shit my crayons every time I wake up at three o'clock in the morning. Oh, that's just sleep cycles. That's just your four hour sleep cycle when you like go to bed around 11. I thought we were in the same thing and then when I was in the same thing.
That's definitely another one though. Like, yeah. And be like, I suppose a thought unfortunately for any listeners, we were not going to be shy about debunking. But I wanted to touch on one that that's had quite a few like big hits in like pop culture.
I know it's like a favorite of the the Nodia of North. Like the actual urban legend of the gremlin is quite an interesting one that goes back to like World War II, I believe. Actually, like about this non gremlin. That's what we've started.
That's our one. Right. Okay. I thought they were asking that question too.
Not in World War II. I don't think but this one goes back to like like UK like Royal Air Force pilots. Basically, there was like the idea of like an actual physical creature of a gremlin that would like, you know, basically like loosen your bolts on your aircraft and stuff. So it was kind of used to explain like unexplained malfunctions or like basically someone messing up on the engineering team.
But like the army found that like having this like scapegoat was like good from a rile because you wouldn't you wouldn't go back if you survive. You wouldn't go back and like, you know, like go shout with the person you'd like fixed up your plane right before you took off or whatever. Instead, you would everyone would kind of laugh this off as the gremlin. And there's actually like motivational posters talking about gremlins like from like the war times and stuff.
Just like the whole, you know, the highlights on its own. And that's where that comes from. I believe so, yeah. That's so good.
I'm not that. It's also apparently in the Simpsons. I think I only point out in the two hours of horror. Yeah, that one's called Nightmare at five and a half feet.
But the other one's two, 20,000 feet. Yeah, with Shat and the doing is something on the room. And the other one did the up to date version of that sketch from, or sketch from Twilight Zone in a new one. Yes.
The reader did it in the 90s. Was that not for the movie possibly as well? I think it is actually because it was like three, it was like three stories in it. Just why I don't movie is awesome by the way.
But yeah, and I think it is. I think it is. I did not know that that's so cool. Yeah, so like, there's obviously, there's not many like, you know, documented real life stories of people telling tales, but it was just more of like a general idea that kind of got in people's heads.
So I don't know if that was the inspiration for like Gremlins the movie because they kind of do that kind of thing where they're like the wreck everything in the vicinity. Because that's kind of like what the word blamed on like any kind of malfunction on any sort of machine. Didn't the old guy do the story from that? Because he starts on with Gremlins destroying like the guy who drew to the plow.
He starts to talk about like the one back in time how Gremlins is getting in the shameies and kind of destroy the things as well. I think so. But it is an interesting one. I would love to know like an all we've touched on like Zabludy Mary and stuff like that.
But what would you say your guys favorite like movie references or like even in TV references to be fair to school when I was seven natural. It could be like one in the first 15 seats. I think one of my favorites like from a kid was always like the Cheaper Cabra story. Oh yes.
Which is where half go to half based half Mexican. I think the thing is it kills goats. I think it's supposed to be like a weird I don't know. It's like they basically found some goats from reportedly with like two like pin prick holes in the neck.
So they're like, oh it's like a weird vampire creature's drain and the blood out of my livestock. I don't know why. I think it must have just been one of the first ones I ever saw. And it was probably from like Unsolved Mysteries or one of those like dumb shows.
I shouldn't have been watching. I know I watch, I used to watch Oh gosh, what's it called? It was Josh Watson's face. The one where he goes all around world and it was like half was creatures and half was ghost stories and always on the whole of the guy with the chute cover.
Oh, was that that was it was not just called like Monster Hunter in the UK. No. No one or something. No one I think that shows.
That's a special that really like proper freaked is out there because they go to Japan don't they're gonna do the forest and that is terrifying. It's only because while the walking along because obviously that's forest is fullest scavengers. The bump into Japanese scavengers while in their night vision and it absolutely freaked the shit out of the bus. And he also went to the island of the dolls.
That's awesome. Yeah. The chills that I don't do dolls. I think mine would be and this is probably from the X-Files years was the Jersey Devil.
I love the comic book. I love the comic book. Yeah, yeah. Because I said the comic book went in the whole kind of it as well and you got Brian Johnson dressed up as the Jersey Devil.
I was absolutely. I think. I used to like read a website that would like go out on hunts and like update the blog every like every like few days like every week or something. Yeah, that one's an awesome story because it goes like right it like links into like witchcraft and stuff as well.
Yeah. Because it was reportedly like like a like a proper like devil's son type of situation like a rosemary's baby and type of thing. Well, like the local witch gave birth to something with like cloven hooves and stuff like black eyes and all that. Red eyes.
Yeah. There's always a red eyes on. What about you, what about your grunts? I've only grown one I reckon.
At least a lot of them. Yes. The black beauty. Yeah.
You know, somebody's just got a really, really big cat. And they've been all over the fucking other. It's the size of a house. I've already tied a thing.
No. You just got glasses. Yeah. I think with that one it was always like going to live on the note already over like Michelle and the other ones that handed the basketballs.
It's a touch on that and like went around with it. But I'm not a random I'm watching TV shows about that as a kid and being fascinated. And to see these blurry black things, it was clearly just some guy with a black sheep walking around the country. I'm a cat.
It's like so could we like an extra from red to office when we're back? I mean, that is one thing that links like probably everything we're going to talk about tonight together is that why is all the footage blurry? Yeah. Why don't we have clear, good pictures.
I mean, look at pictures of Loch Ness. That is just not a pretty good picture. The only one that's kind of clear, you could for me is Bigfoot. Bigfoot.
Sorry. Yeah, we did sort of touch on this on the conspiracy's cast actually. But the Bigfoot footage is weird and those guys mint in other things, I think it might only be one left, that it was all true. That luckness isn't interesting one though, because totally been proven fake in sort of recent history, which is like, just that photo I guess was like a definite hoax, like the famous...
Oh yeah, it looks like a sock. Yeah, some dude just built it. It looks like someone has a sock published and they put their hand out of focus and then put a leak around it. Yeah.
So I think it was basically for like a... you just wanted to like get in a newspaper basically and friggin mid-history, who would have thought. And the years that you've scused like underground tunnels and stuff like that, that's why they couldn't scan it as well. The hollow earth theory.
We'll come back to King Kong's hometown soon, but yeah. With the locks, it's not so much the underground tunnels, it's the fact that you've got that line that runs right up the West Coast of Scotland where you do have an unbroken passage of water that runs right from the North Coast, right down to where Fort William is. The entire lock that runs up that Scotland is salt water. It's not fresh water because it runs straight from the sea to the sea.
Obviously you get fresh water run off, but I remember reading about the Loch Ness one and the theorizing that the monster isn't just confined to Loch Ness, it's just where it's been seen and then it actually swims down to the south of Scotland, which is why nobody can ever find it. I mean, it's likely all shit. I love your conviction right up until that point. I generally totally turned me around and be like, my God, you're so right.
I think what I'm saying is there's some base in the theory that had like a basis in science. If you will, it's not like it's just a pond, we're going to dang this all in it. It's one of the few where it would have the space to move without being detected if it so happened to move at exactly the right time. Yeah.
I think there's any like big body of water as well that humans live by always has like a lake monster associated with it. Like you see it all over the world. And I think it is literally just because of how like light behaves near water. You probably do think you see weird shadows and stuff if you're like out on a boat and there's like no landmarks around you.
Yeah. We do need to make a set of fear soft now. But if we just get a connection between Chris or Rick, a lot less monster versus Jason. I'm all right.
I'm Friday the 13th versus a lot less monster. Do you remember that like, remember that big budget movie in the 90s that was like, was it just called Loch Ness on net? It's on net? It was in a cave.
I was like, I think it was like a dramatization. No, no, not the family. I was looking for the monster where I was just these kids that were building like a paper share models and like the, like, the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the models and like the, like trying to be bung it. But then at the end, like it was like, hint at the monster was real and it was just like, one of these get really cheesy, badly done 80s.
Like, like, I think it was a kid's program. It's almost like the same way they've done the line, which in the wardrobe at the time. But I can still remember it as a kid. And yeah, like, say you're talking about, I can say a photograph doing an area of Scotland, the world of goodness for tourism.
I tell you that. Yeah. And it's, it's one of those like it's achievable. You could walk there and see a monster from the shoreline like there's no like big complicated thing you need to do.
It's like you just got to be right place right time. It's not the reason I'm once for two lock nets. It's, it's one a hunch for a lot. Nissy.
Maybe, maybe he's got a power. He's like, maybe he's like rocking up in scuviggy. I think that's what I wish for. He answers the real love mess.
Then you can do the blair witch video like alongside the search. Stop guys. Give his ideas. Yeah.
Mine's probably a little bit more like, I was going to say a fan has to go after the lock. It's like an old tail. But I remember watching an old like horror film about it, but it kind of scared us a lot. And I've recently done like as a set up yet versions in supernatural.
The woman in white, like I was the tail behind the woman in white. I was like the son of a who had a traumatic event and she would always appear at the, at the roadside as well, waiting to be picked up and trying and Tice young men to be unfaithful and then drive them, kill them to the depth. I was always like, That's the second or something like that. Oh, yeah.
That was the first episode of national. I always remember because I was a film on channel for about as well. But always portrayed like the school woman in white and she would always try and get revenge on men and who wronged her and stuff like that. So it was a cautionary tale for men not to wrong new women.
Yeah. I think I've heard like a sort of like a, I would say like a nicer or more charitable to the deceased version of that where it is literally like, you know, you'll see someone who needs like a lipcomb from like a bar or something like that and you'll take them. You'll chat to them. They'll tell you all about like the, the love issues and stuff.
It's the last to be dropped off and then like you turn around in the gun type of thing and then you find out you've like dropped them off and you're like grave or whatever like that kind of like that kind of story is interesting. And I don't know if that like the kind of drive and stories like drive and ghost stories. I don't know if that's just a product of America having like dying roads where you could be driving for hours in a straight line. Like it probably is just sleep to prior people, but it's interesting how stories like that do pop up like where our ghost stories are very much like grounded in like a castle or something as hard to.
Yeah, I was so pretty evil and this is all like roadside. Yeah, but the chat have now decided that they are all going to get together and go monster hunt and I need a van at scuba gear and Jeff a I'm doing never seen again. Just remember all their meetups are not authorized. This is why we have the display.
But I like that with like the roadside of things because I think America ones the big ones like the crossword demon as well. What was the blues? Oh, yeah, I've got it. I've got this one.
I was definitely going to touch on the devil at the crossroads. But yeah, it was Robert Johnson. He was called and actually this is something we mentioned in the conspiracy's one like Robert Johnson's one of the first notable members of the 27 club. Yes, arguably he might have kicked off this whole thing.
It was about like 19 30 something I think when he died. But yeah, like this this legend goes that like Robert Johnson was like a blues guitarist who would hang around at the bars and stuff where all the other ones did. He was notoriously bad. Like people would like leave the bars when he played or like the people would tell the other musicians he hung out with like, oh, you need to get him off the stage.
The thing like they were all just on smoke breaks and like people were coming out and being like, this is terrible. So the legend goes that he was said to have been playing his guitar like outside at night at some crossroads. At the stroke of midnight the devil appeared tuned his guitar played a song and then handed him it back. And that was like the extent of the bargain that he would have like great success in guitar scale but meet like an untimely demise.
And yeah, I don't think he did live many years after that. It was probably like four or five, I think, but I mean, I mean, I was on the crossword day and it's in the 10 years maybe to enjoy yourself. But I mean, I listen to his music and it's interesting. I'm not obviously a blues expert, but he did seem to be like taken like he was basically playing the part of an entire band.
So back in the day, like if you were doing that on your acoustic guitar, people probably don't think it was like a natural talent and stuff. We didn't really get famous until like the 1960s when the re-issued some of his stuff. So that part's a bit weird. You think if he was like magically talented, that would like cross over like worldwide fame is part of the magical deal.
So you could enjoy it at the time. I think it's just a factor of like he wrote a lot of songs as well about like these got songs called like the devil and me or something like along those lines. And he used to sing about like Doc subject material. So I think it's probably just a bit of that like he wrote his own legend.
If that makes sense, it's probably just a spot you record keeping. It's good that I think that was probably the big normal one when it first started when it comes to famous people trying to go into this. As you said, the 27 club, all these big like acts and big talents that kind of passed away and like the left like huge like legacy is behind when the only half is short space of time as well. I think what was it?
Jimmy Hendrix was one, wasn't it? Go to be Amy Winehouse? Jim Morrison. Kirk is one.
Kirk of Ben. I heard the mama's in Pappas as well. Yeah. What's her name?
Mama Cass? And I guess like it usually is people who are perceived to be like pioneers in the time or like starting something new. I mean like say what you will about Amy Winehouse that it was like it was well publicized like you know that she was like drinking a lot and taking drugs and stuff. But like she totally did like pioneer like like brought back a style but like people emulated it for like years afterwards.
Oh god yeah. Say what you will. It was a similar situation where it was like a musical movement that happened out of them. Yeah, it's a bit of a Janice Dropplin.
Look at it's mama Cass. Mama Cass did not die from eating the ham sandwich as well. Okay. I've heard that legend.
Yeah, apparently the rumor is that she died eating a ham sandwich. She taught going to ham sandwich. She did not. I mean she health issues.
To be fair that was like say what Elvis did die eating a burger on the toilet stuff. What is it? I mean they're called back home. He's incredibly constipated.
Sorry. I'm a little bit Elvis because I've chucked on the other side. That's the most of that movie. Okay.
Well that's all about you skating women. We'll knock all down that road. Not today. We are like I think with a lot of urban legends as well.
There's been a few big TV shows and movies like this sort of offered that's done well. Like I think the X-Files was probably one of the big stars ones as well. Just because as I said, he's the monster of the week as well, but they used to do. Yes, it's a lot of the like stuff on urban legends as well.
Spontaneous kon bus doing as well was I think it's one of the big X-Files episodes. That's the one that used to like if it was possibly if it was real and stuff like that. I don't know why it's scared us as a kid but used to like fascinating as well actually terrifies like reading about these people that supposedly just sitting in the chair. Like just catch and flames because the inner inner workings in the bodies got two thing.
But I think like I said, X-Files was probably one of the biggest the big shows at the time that capitalized on like say, like not just urban legends like the conspiracy theories and the aliens and everything. Well, a lot of the aspects of the use I think a lot of people forget about all the different like little things in tropes that X-Files gave us. We wouldn't have 15 seasons of supernatural if it wasn't for the X-Files doing what I did at the time. That's true.
100% true. I mentioned one that I didn't I wouldn't have thought of on my own and so I'm not taking any credit for this but the Mothman. I never used to get the Mothman premises. I didn't until I watched the Richard Giggifff.
That's a good one. Come and talk over to Giggifff. That did come over to the chest. I'm again.
If anyone wants to read that reference, Google search I'm again in journal. You'll have some fun. You'll go down to RAVI-Shawl all of your own and I love that film. I thought that film was so good but that is as far as my extent of the Mothman prophecy score.
I can pick up on the Mothman. To be honest with you Mothman's became one of the more popular like imagery ones. If anyone doesn't know it literally is either a giant bird person or a giant moth person. The telltale signs are like massive wingspan giant red eyes type of thing.
But yeah, that one's from about like we were kind of going in like chronological order here. Point Pleasant in West Virginia, 1966. The story actually it links back to what Paul was saying. It's a story of like teens driving around in places that shouldn't be.
In this case it's an old World War II munitions plant that was like decommissioned. So apparently like two couples were in this car driving around where basically the first thing that saw was like a large creature with big wings standing in the middle of the road. Instead it was about like eight foot tall, ten foot wingspan glow and red eyes. They immediately like tried to drive away because I mean there's a lot of like we're saying that the car stories it's a lot of like drop here saw this and then immediately try to get the hell out of there.
The scary thing is was like the said the mothman took chase and I kept up with the car, which would probably go in like about like 80 miles an hour trying to get out of this weird like backwards area. So it kind of kicked off like some mass hysteria in the region, which is the interesting part. Like everyone was saying had seen it. It also was apparently some documented men in black sightings around it where they were trying to keep people quiet.
Was it something that happened in the major events that happened in the tower? It's like you're a bit like the other way around. Basically there was a giant bridge collapse in Point Pleasant, not long after this kind of stuff started happening. So what people have said like retroactively is that it was like a portentive like do type of thing.
Like if you see the mothman it's gonna be like a tragedy type of thing. But yeah, like that's kind of it does seem to be like a more modern documentation of like a mass hysteria or like the legend spreading like really fast like in this contained area. And then obviously they made a pretty decent movie out of it. I like it.
Yeah. I don't mind it at all. I haven't. I haven't.
I haven't. I've heard of mopman and what was it from the mopman properties? Yeah. And I think with a lot of these ones it's it's piazzier and people like to put like a spin on it or like the same area where we can be more scared of like the bogeyman or scared then something that's real events or something that's happened.
So it's kind of like that type of element to it. I guess like you know if it had been like a basically a natural disaster if you can call it that like you know mechanical failure of a bridge. It would help you put a pin in the like the morning process where you can be like oh we can blame or like you know the mothman it was like there was weird things going on in the town like we couldn't help this type of thing. It's like it's absolutely interesting.
And I think like like nowadays they basically have like mothman festivals and stuff where iconography like the statues in the town and stuff. So this people trying to like put a positive spin on it but I think it's just one of those big modern day things and it was obviously getting used coverage in other towns and stuff. Yeah. Because there wasn't much else to talk about at the time but no like I think the towns really come together around it and it probably has done more good than bad.
Yeah. But there's also the element as well is by the people trying to take advantage of these type of legends or people's beliefs and try and profiteer and that kind of like on people's grief or worry as well. And so I think the people here I mentioned this like the two that spring to mind totally and again if you believe in them. I'm sorry I'm not sitting on your beliefs but the warrants for example, and how they kind of used people's fear and grief and stuff to kind of see that.
Like the people possessed or I think and how they use things like Annabel's doll like say another movie about and how there's actually the Annabel's doll there and how this doll was meant to be possessed and stuff but again that could fall in the way of urban legends and stylists that type of thing where people are kind of using that to turn out. To kind of like kind of make a living or like get the benefit of people as well which is kind of always worry and sorry that's me shit on someone's beliefs. I'm sorry. The ones they are interested in is pop culture figure like we have I absolutely adore the country universe.
I love that element of Ed and the Renoir but when you really get down to the nitty gritty they did take advantage of a lot of people who were incredibly scared of stuff that they didn't know what was real or not they played on it. And I find them very interesting I do but I have to be completely realistic. Not great people. It's interesting that that does crop up quite a lot doesn't it where people will get like possessive over like either a story or a physical item.
And it's sort of happened with like like like you know like Ripley's Believe It or not and stuff like that they've got a lot of like artifacts that they probably shouldn't have and that they're like attaching weird stories to like you know they've got. If you like if those like voodoo kind of like idle type of things and it's like this probably shouldn't have this just sitting in some stupid even Los Angeles. Zach Baggins has a museum in the guy who does the ghost adventures he has a museum in Los Angeles and I really want to go to which. He has some artifacts in there that I don't believe should be in his possession.
If what they see is true about them. Yeah. I think this should be on public display. Like Campella the Goresis mirror is an artifact that is apparently incredibly cursed.
And he just has it there on display for everyone to see and he has a lot of murder billi as well which and yeah there's some artifacts in there I don't know what you should have. What they see is true about them. Yeah. What do you think about it.
Which one? Go on a couple of tangents. Yeah. Anything and everything.
I don't know. The one that I've been thinking about a lot of I mentioned at the beginning there about kind of over missing a lot of times coming out of propaganda or not so much propaganda but social experiments and there was. There was two that I got to hold off. One of them on the letter of it doesn't get brought up but small can put on appeal to get you high.
I definitely know that one. Nearly everybody has heard this and it is an open myth as I understand it. This concept was published in a magazine of America in the late 70s by a reportant team that simply wanted to see what would happen if they published some absolute shit. Let's just put something out there to see if people believe it and it was almost a social experiment to see how one of the earliest kind of concepts of fake news.
If you put out the story that sounds just believable enough and see how it's spread to see what happens and it's one of the- It's attainable in your own home as well like the bloody mary thing where- Exactly. All you need to do is walk into the kitchen or the bathroom mirror. You know like that kind of thing. And give it a try and because people have read it.
You know there's a certain element of pressure around it and people are leaving it. You're putting it on a skin and you're putting it dry up or mash it up or whatever that you're supposed to do when you put it in there and go. Is it doing anything? Yeah actually fucking happens to me.
You try on your own until like to dodge embarrassment you make up the story because it didn't work but you don't want to be like the one who it didn't work for. Absolutely not that article spread and spread and spread to the point where people adopted it as truth. And it's one of those things that you hear in your late teens and early twenties, you know a college or you know whatever it might be. You heard this, you know if you can't get all the benefit to get off your tits, you should try smoking banana peel.
That's a perfect example. Probably one of the first documented and disproven examples of like a fake news story which essentially is what modern urban myth is in this day and age is people believing stuff that isn't necessarily true for the the subtext that it represents. With the banana peel one, there was no subtext. It was literally a couple of the parties that were probably highest fought on something a lot better than banana peel.
Let's see what happens. Let's see if people believe it and it spreads and it worked to the point where there won't be people like that. Even now maybe listen to this, maybe not. That'll go that little bastard.
It does work. It does work. Try this. If you're out there right now, go and get a banana and smoke it.
Not even the skin just trying to light it up an honor. If you get it to take, you're going to get big. That's the thing. That's the thing with the power of human thought and what you believe can be scary, what your mind can make you do as well.
Again, this could be in urban legend, but I heard a tale of doing a science experiment years and years ago just to see what the power of shock and fear could happen. What they did is film this room, full of steam, brought this person into the room, short film the bath with boiling water, took the person out of the room, emptied the bath and filled with cold water, kept the steam in the room, and what they did is apparently to push the person in and the shock. And he believed it was that hot causing the half burns, third degree burns on his skin. That's like, I've generally did read about that.
I was younger. But apparently that is some of the power of shock and what human mind can do if you believe something or if you've shown something is a certain thing. It's because at times when you put your hand in, you don't know when the film is if something's red hot or phrasing cold, you can't really tell the difference. Yeah.
When you blow on ice cream. When you go to cold. No. Yeah.
No, that is like there is there is a legit medical condition where you can manifest real symptoms and it can be anything like ranging from like mild stuff to like getting like a cough or a sore throat or something. Or like stuff like you can manifest an epileptic fit if you think or if you think you like don't work, they technically stop working as far as your brain's concerned. I don't know if it could create like skin irritation, but I mean, all the chemicals are probably in the body like technically it could probably happen. So, you know, you can't expect the spontaneous combustion theory as well.
It's interesting. But yeah, like that whole like the dark experiment thing that's like its own sort of urban legend really isn't it like the whole like, oh well, the army did this thing and like the kept people awake for like 72 hours and then when they came back they'll murder each other like the Russian sleep experiment. That was quite a popular one on the Internet that's read from just like a creepy image. Like that guy with like no skin on his face type of thing.
It was supposed to be like the kept these prisoners like a handful of new drugs to keep them awake and then the start of getting all weird and like a venturizing in the room. That makes sense to anyone. Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, it's going off on what you see in there as well because like there is kind of like urban legends from where we live well well if I grew up when I was a kid of all cherry and all mental asylum. Because you don't know what what is true and what is is is like brought around because I can say all the different things and all it was home for the criminally insane at one time but then it became like say places for people who are mentally ill and stuff, but make the whole world and like around it as well like where there is tunnels underground in where there was because they basically made it into a house and complex now what these areas like a prison of war come before it came also there's deep dark history and stuff there but what apparently the urban legend was as a kid that when they're criminally and seeing used to get sent there used to medically do tests on them and and like try out new drugs or try new techniques there's a lot of electrophyschoch therapy at the time and like that is fact that I've seen the tables where the shot them down to do it and but the past the way it was with them being like like this murder is not like the worst of the worst the family didn't want anything to do so they used to bury the bodies underneath the hospital so apparently there's tunnels full of their patients and stuff all around and showing all which again was probably bullshit but as a kid as a teenager as well you were just always trying to find out all the way in because I was constantly a little busted button of the day I was always breaking into cherry no one like some of the things you saw when you went inside I was just absolutely mesmerizing there was doorways and stuff and there was always things like that you have to be careful because you could always probably once you got in you had about 10 to 15 minutes before the police game so and that was good back to the team but it was but it was it goes it down because all the stuff as well so I'm glad I'm still here really but it's like little things when you are like I thought about the ghost everything when you walk around I just had a feeling in the place and I don't know if it's just because of you know what's gone on there or you've heard the stories or you've heard all these myths but it was never a nice place to go in and go around but you always drawn to it for some reason you always wanted to go back to it there is that legend that like structures can retain like information I don't know if it's like we called like stone like the recall theory or something we had that but you could have been feeling the feelings from the past and I've definitely heard about like those tunnels actually being part of like the silence and stuff where so they didn't have to like wheel the dead bodies past everyone there would need a way to like quietly sort of get people out sort of thing I know that had a shutdown the only reason I know something like the tunnels are definitely real is because a few years well years and years ago when I lived in right now my dad's still lived there there was big news because one of the blocks on cherry and all that had was suicide watch so if someone thought was a danger to themselves used to still get taken there and one of the patients got out got in the tunnel got all the air because it led to right beach I don't know why but there's one that was led to right beach and he got there got through the tunnel and jumped off the cliff right beach Wow so all that effort then jumped off the cliff you actually wanted it didn't want to live but the hospital came in my life It's interesting how like localised that sort of stuff is because I sort of grew up like right near like the town like around parkalay and stuff so definitely heard about cherry no but it probably was wrong people from riot who went to like the same school as me because I went to school and like kill you in So we had about half and half from like half from right way like half of them sort of like the scenario so like it's interesting but like my man did In mental health and like like chiming all as like actual function in place was still sort of going into the two thousands of stuff So it is interesting like how the room is the can spread far but also like you guys and in riot probably knew like way more than the rest of us did because it was like a local It was just a scary building did it was a hostile knee there? I think I probably just before I got the old engine machine you know the giant chimney that was always the entrance and yeah I remember that the hospital is still there now where like seagor for physio and stuff that used to be the person of war camp over the road front Oh my gosh my little grand was in there. I saw what cherry knolls are even heard of it when I went to go and visit her in hospital.
Yeah but that was just like the general hospital bit That's all been flattened and repurposed now it's like a brand new hospital and so when you go further up it used to be like the houses where the staff used to live So these have all the saffron site as well and then we go right up next to the Dean had the old building I've got photos of it on me facebook I was trying to pull them out and it looks like the main thing where it's got like a church they were just sort of giant like stained glass window at the front and the two bits come out used to be like the wards and that was the walls The silent part and then they had a small branch out that was towards the Dean where it was still operated I think it's still operated about five or ten years ago but that was just the people who had mental health issues and then like they've gone on and had little bits all over so As I was like a place to visit it was evenly beautiful because it was surrounded by all this grass greenery trees and like areas where there was just like kids playground because like you could climb trees and go in and a sign which is mental but I didn't mean it that way. No pun intended. I was like I said but that's what the place and everything had just had this feeling like the whole assignment bit had like a brown dirt where the grass didn't grow trees and anything that kind of died when it was around it type thing the whole asylum part. But the stories that used to come out of it was always brilliant like and I say with us being kids were horrible.
Well said one of the patients was called miles and if my house catches you with your and stuff so you're always terrified when you're walking. He's miles is going to get you and he's going to get you. So we always have pipes. To say that about trans that I'll try you know how you talk about like storming for a day of buildings, richan and history and feelings.
I was like that has that kind of feel about it but I think there's a different feeling in being scared in the location that you're at and feeling stuff around you because I've had that before in chillin and castle of all places which I think is a lot of shit but the don't when you go into the end you actually like tortured page where all the I made is everything I have never felt level of uncomfortableness as I did in that moment and it wasn't like I wasn't scared or anything it just didn't feel right. I believe there's two differences in feelings. Yes, but going back to local legends as well because I know going off like in town ghost stories and stuff a little bit there. Yeah, but like say the big one for us all going from the sun and was always the London worm.
I said I'm not the local legend of the big worm that I said what was it called? I mean I know what the stories and so was a kid. The London? The London I think was.
I had a suit made of spikes to fight the one London worm and chopped it up and threw it down well apparently or something like that. Yeah, he's the, my school used to teach it like teach it as fact. Yeah, because it wasn't a story kind of that you like it got like tossed down there when it was like small and then it grew big and belongs to everyone. Yeah, well you might still talk as fact and almost like a worship and kind thing as well because we are legit my job is going nuts and asleep.
And I'm literally on the cusp of the hill. It sounds like you went to like school in like doona something. It's not that hard. The worship in the sand were.
The peas. The small rice in the wall. Which one did the Nick Cage version of? The horn of the bees.
That's an interesting one the whole like the creepy small island, island folk. Who would call us like Mainlanders. But that's probably true to be fair. I heard this like I heard this nuts one about the Isle of White where I'm going to kick myself because I can't remember like what it was called or whatever.
It was basically the story of this kid who found this weird clown man out in the woods and everyone says it's like an alien contact story. And yes, it sounds creepy as fuck and we're probably nothing happened to the kid. It was just this weird like I guess people have described it almost as you know like an old 1950s like robot toy sort of looking guy like a weird spaceman. So that's the kind of stuff that goes on the Isle of White apparently.
Wow. I know Jake always loves me history channel chat and stuff. Let's go to the history channel for a. We're going to do all kind of money pits.
Oh god. How much money must they have spent on the curse of all of Ireland or. Like digging up a whole that fills up with stands immediately. It's like this water keeps coming out.
No, where's it? There's obviously underground tunnels that live to the sea. Yeah, it's supposed to have spent millions of pounds digging these one holes looking for this treasure that's always worth about 50 bop. I guess I guess that for people who don't know like that kind of the story of like the money pit.
It's supposedly like a treasure is like buried in this kind of like. Special I guess like structure that would cause it to float if anyone tries to dig it up. But I guess like the man who like planted the treasure he knows the one the one place you can dig like an access but everyone else it just like fills up with water is the trying to down and sand. The thing I love about the old times I was probably invested in the first I was so watch now because I'm a dick.