There's something wrong with this podcast. Yeah, I had to do it. Yeah. Can I say what the second quote here on the old quote page for Andy B is?
Yes. On the old or you're saying, okay, the old, the movie. It's new. This is a new item to be paid for the movie.
Okay, got it. The second quote is Charles. I'm a doctor. Jaren.
I'm a nurse. My name is Jaren. Good, good scene. I remember that.
How do they spell Jich? Is it Jaren? I was confused. Was Jaren or Jaren?
This is written J-A-R-I-N. That's correct. That's how they spell it. J-A-R-I-N.
Interesting. Yeah. I mean, you know, he's allowed to be called that. Yeah.
Yes. But I don't know why he's called Jaren. But he's very much called Jaren. He is called Jaren.
He's named. Yeah. I don't know if you guys know this. He got old.
Jaren? Jaren got spoiler alert. Dead. That's the oldest you can be.
Does it get much older than that? That's not true. They're very stages of dead. Yeah.
Well, like, I don't want to get it. No, let's do it. Well, it's a dead teenager older than a living old man. How long have they been dead for?
Well, I don't know. I think it all equals out once you kick the bucket. I just like, like, so what you're saying, like, a dead teenager, okay, well, they died last week versus like, they died in the 12th century. Are you saying the clock T keeps ticking post-dep?
I guess that's my question. I feel like you're currently asking, is Casper the friendly ghost older than Regis Fielden? Sure. Absolutely.
Because Casper died when? Early 1900s? I don't know. Let's look it up.
When did Casper die? How did he die? Murder? No, he was, he got cold when he was sledding, correct?
His dad loved him too much. He gave him a sled just because he was a good boy. It wasn't even a holiday or a birthday or anything. And he had so much fun with the sled that he died of hypothermia.
It's the saddest movie ever. Do you think there's like an alternate universe where Casper could have become Charles Foster Kane? Absolutely. Oh, yeah, like his slide is rose better.
Because Casper's rich, right? Because he was in a fancy house. His dad spends the rest of his life building an anti-ghost machine. He's not bringing this movie up all the time.
His dad's not played by an actor. There was a thing there. I couldn't remember what Daniel was performing. Anyone was right.
His current day, ghost hunter. Right. And Regis is his daughter, right? His wife died.
Yes. And he is trying to reconnect with his wife. They move into this house where Casper's a centric father after accidentally killing his son by giving him too good of a gift. I think the son is like part of his first death.
Yeah. Okay. The movie is stringed. I just remember that at the end, he's briefly corporeal and he's Devin Sock, correct?
Yeah, I think so. Dance and kiss. But then he, but it's not permanent. No, it's like it's a wish granted by the dead wife of the woman.
Right. I think it's Amy Brennanman? Yes. Please.
The wife of, well, oh no. Did Brad Silverling direct her? Correct. Okay.
Yeah, they were married. Yes. I don't think they still are. Yes.
Yes. She comes back to life as like an angel per Casper. There's this concept they keep on talking which is unfinished business where like Casper's brothers or his uncles rather than him or still around. They haven't passed on to the other realm because they have unfinished business.
They have to resolve and that his wife perhaps has gone on to that zone where she becomes like an angel. And so to reward Casper, because spoiler, Casper got the fucking anti-death machine to work, but there was only enough juice to make one ghost to fleshy again. And he gave it generously to Bill Pullman, who fell through a manhole after getting too drunk with a bunch of rowdy ghosts. I don't know.
My pants are not fitting right now, really. Like, well, I don't know. Are you, is anyone feeling that? Like, I just feel like clothes are not- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, because I lost some weight recently about getting it back and now I'm feeling a little sorry about that.
No, no, no, no, I think this is a reference to what happens to the children in the movie, Old. What are you not talking about? But you're not, okay, yeah. But yeah, I mean, that does happen to the children in the Old, of course, they grow.
Okay, because they're kids. Sure. And they're on the beach that makes you old. Yeah, technically it's the rocks that make you old, but then they're on the beach that makes you old.
It's the rocks. I'm just saying to just make sure to keep, you know, observe me, make sure that nothing was like checking on each other, no. Okay, and then maybe every 15 minutes after that. Okay, okay, right.
Anyway, Casper very generously let Bill Pullman come back to life and then Bill Pullman's dead wife comes back to reward him by saying you get to be a real boy, but only Cinderella rules. It's like two hours and it goes back and he dances reaching the kiss and it's very nice. And then when the party realizes they're levitated because he's a ghost, he's played by Devin Sawa. And then the movie ends with Little Richard singing Casper, the friendly ghost.
And this is a podcast about Casper. Right, right. The 1995 movie by Brad Silverwing. I believe so, right?
Yeah, 95, it's like 95, you know. It looks like 95. 95. Yes, that's right.
So thank you for exploring Casper with us. Also about child mortality, I guess, in its way. Yeah, that's what we got here. Yes, yes, but no, this is actually a film Podcast About Famography.
It's Podcast About Famography. Waving is how to do the thing. Do the thing, do the thing, do the thing. It's a podcast about Famography's directors who have massive success early on in their careers in their given a series of blank checks and make whatever crazy passion products they want.
Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they get old baby. Yes, we do get old. We are all getting old. I mean, someone pointed out every beach makes you old in that time marches on.
Who has someone had this good tweet that will show me a beach that makes you young then you've got to move there. It's like, whoa, but you know, you're getting old real fast. That's all. Yeah, I mean, Ben, I feel like I'm seeing wrinkles on you now that I wasn't seeing two minutes ago.
Wait, really? I don't know. We'll get back to that later. This is a podcast episode.
It's a place where I'm in a series, right? These filmography. Sure. The first guy we ever talked about.
Number one. I mean, number two of you to counter it's like this, I suppose. But number one. That was Cheers.
This is Frazier. Mm. Yeah. Right.
Well, OK, but then what are all the other ones? Are we still in Frazier? I'm sorry. I didn't know there was only one seat in a Frazier.
That's my question. That's it. Frazier is the show. Yeah.
Starting within my Shyamalan. Correct. OK, cool. And then Patreon is the new Frazier reboot that apparently will have no other returning cast members.
Hyde Pierce is not involved. I don't recent Kelsey Graham or comments I mean, it's not like no one's returning and his big story hook for this new. He was rich. No, but like Frazier's rich.
He's not saying like he's rich. He's like, really rich. I don't remember a lot of Frazier plots about how he was like hurting for money. Like I don't block a baby Graham piano in his apartment.
Yeah, it's true. There was some kind of high re-achief. No. Come on.
Yeah. But this time he's going to be like, really, really great. But like Kelsey's dad's dad's brother doesn't talk. This is the thing.
Like, obviously John Mahoney has not with this anymore. His dad being dead is perfectly very old. He got old, but you can't not have Niles. I mean, I agree.
OK. Is the dog coming back? He hates that dog. He doesn't know anybody likes the dog.
I this is one of my favorite. Eddie. Yeah, it was a dog with no. Well, Moose was one of the dog that's in the artist was the second Frazier dog.
Right. Right. The first dog was Moose, which I remember because Disney Adventures magazine just always say there was going to be a movie called Moose on the loose. That was about Moose, the star Frazier getting lost.
And it was going to be like a road trip. And it was going to be like a road trip. Maybe there was only because he's also in my dog skip. Sure.
Moose was huge for a while. It was. It was. Yeah.
I think he was replaced at some point. I think it's OK. I remember. He used to look at Frazier.
That was the joke. But this is the thing. It would be hold Frazier. Everyone else paying off.
How's that going to work? The show is like a hit right out of the box. Everyone's talking about Moose. And you read interviews with Pelsigram from the first season.
He's like, every goddamn person asks me what it's like working with the dog. It's a dog. It's not an actor. Right.
He's like, the dog looks at me. That's not acting. It's not impressive. I don't know.
I saw some of those really funny scenes with the dog. And the dog's given something. He's given something. He's given something.
I agree. It's just the thing, like, actors are really trained in. Well, anyway, and they don't like to admit it. Right.
Not like they didn't like to admit it. Yeah. And then I chamalan, the Frazier of this podcast, our first guy. And when we were trying to figure out what the show was going to be moving past ours, you know, we come up with this blank check, premise.
You know? And it's like, well, the obvious guy talked about it. And I'm sure he was yours. And Wachowski's were mine.
Yeah. Those are the first two guys who brought to the table. But it just felt obvious that it's like, well, and then chamalan is the exact case study of what we're interested in here. And at that point in time, we thought we were more going to cover people who had, like, rise and fall arcs in that kind of way.
Right? Like, people who kind of lost it. Is it hadn't come out? Is it hadn't come out?
We hadn't seen it. That's what it was. Sure. Now, I also just want to say, Marie, I don't know if you know this, but there was a period of time where I was really trying to sell them on the name.
Mm-hmm. What was it? Griffel and Simmsburg. What?
He said we need a cleaner branding post-Star Wars. And he sent us a doc with a bunch of suggestions, but the ones that was circled a bunch of times was Griffel and Simmsburg per cent. Oh, like Siskel and Ebert. Well, yes.
In fact, that is what Ben was going for. Oh, no. Griffel and Simmsburg. Griffel and Simmsburg.
I mean, we can always, like, the new Frasier reboot reconsider. But just wanted to remind you guys and our listeners, that was a thing I had suggested. That is what the subtitle is for the new Frasier reboot, Frasier colon, a reconsideration colon, a peacock original. Our guest today, of course, the first time on main feed, is someone who does not run the social media accounts for Griffel and Simmsburg.
No. But she has recently become a big part of the Bling Check family. And if you're on Patreon, you heard her on our March Madness updates, where she had a very easy, normal time running the March Madness votes. No complaints.
Marie Barty, party party party. Hi. Kelly native threw her name down and said, well, if we're going to talk old, I want to talk. Is it Marie mentioned in the Wide Awake episode?
Because Marie is in Wide Awake. Marie is here. I am in Wide Awake. I believe I was mentioned in the Village episode.
Oh, it was the guest. He was the one who gave us the bombshell info that you were in it. Yeah, I have a very long history with M Night Shyamalan. We're going to get into it.
Yeah, let's get into it right now. But yes, but you are in Wide Awake. That is the one. I am in Wide Awake.
I am a non-sag background performer. Griffin and David, you both grew up. Please call us Griffel and Simmsburg. Griffel and Simmsburg, you both grew up in metropolitan areas.
You know, New York City, I think, only New York. I think so. You guys are with me. The one and done, yeah.
And so you have spoken about being spotted by casting directors, looking for kids. Ridiculous absurd privilege, where if you are a fucking spoiled little lark font-alord who goes to a private school in New York City, you cannot avoid getting brought into five book casting calls. Exactly. Because they're looking for mopets.
I'm from a little city, 99 miles from New York, called Philadelphia. And I was in the second grade. And there was an unknown filmmaker named M Night Shyamalan, who had also gone to my grade school, Waldron Mercy Academy in Marion Station, Pennsylvania. At this point, we did not listen to our M Night miniseries.
He's made one film. It's called Praying With Anger. It was released, I believe, in one theater. I think it only played at the cinema vlog in New York City.
It's a tiny budget film that he starred in himself. So why do we get a big step up? But this is a guy who does not really have any reputation. No, just complete no one.
He wrote this movie about his time in Catholic school, the same Catholic school that I was at the time attending. It's our Joseph Cross and Robert Loja. And most importantly, Rosie O'Donnell as a nun. The reason I saw it open weekend.
Robert Loja is the kindly grandpa who's like, it's okay, why do we get it? You gotta run. Yeah, you gotta run. I'm gonna be dead soon.
I'm going to a beach. She's all flashbacks in the movie. Yes. And he's the kid that Joseph Crossways is dealing with.
The dad, right, right. A very wise decision on the part of production was to shoot it at an active school. And they used all of us students as either background or some older kids got featured roles. And it was my first time on a movie set.
I was eight. You got the bug? I got the bug. I got to sit in a hair and makeup chair to go through the work very quickly.
They didn't really do anything to me because I was one of like 60 children that they were seeing that day. But it was very exciting. And then we all got the option of going to the premiere in New York at the Zigville Theater. It was a Miramax production.
So Harvey Weinstein was there and Bob Weinstein. And weirdly enough, Al Gore? Oh. I'm not.
You wanted America to be wide awake to the front of America. Yes. I don't know. This is 99.
No, this is 99. No, this is 99. No, this is 97. No, no, no, no.
6 cents is 99. 6 is 99. This is 97. Yeah, I was in second grade.
Oh, that's the thing I'm trying to do. Yes, Al Gore is currently the vice president of the United States. Still to this day have no idea why he was there. He's my opinion.
I must stop the stealer for that far. I think he's still vice president. I think the rest of it's been staged. I'm just imagining Al knocking on Bill's door of the Oval Office and going like, Air Force one.
I gotta see wide away. This is a tie-tack kid I'm doing real half as glory and I think I can you say lockbox for us lockbox 2000 still kill still And then you and like I remember I showed to someone I'm like he said lockbox Yeah, not only that but like he said lockbox and then Twitter didn't exist. So no one made the joke for seven days Everyone's just like oh my god, which speaking of I want to resume the wide away conversation But it is funny that like the couple times a year we get to cover a new release movie, right? People are like, oh man, I can't wait to hear the bits They're gonna do this and that I do feel like it's now gotten to the point where it's like SNL Not in terms of our prominence But like oh a debate happens on Tuesday or whatever and then the next six days everyone's tweeting what jokes they think right gonna be made We're just like I have a bunch of stuff in the chamber and it's like I can't do old member.
I love old It's kind of that's why it's already been done I'm saying that's why we're going back to the lockbox. That's why we're going back to the lockbox because all the old jokes have been taken I have this urge to do my taxes right now, and I don't know why and what's going on. Did you always have those hairs coming out of your ears? Oh my god.
They're so long. What's happening to me weirdly long. Yeah, like I need to shave them Are they that distracting you a little little clipper that you put in you can use on your nose hairs, too? I'm seeing a bit of those.
Oh god. I'm hideous. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
It's fine What was the name of the movie that Jack Nicholson Marlon Brando did together? The Missouri Breaks. Oh, hi. Thank you for having a quick answer.
That's all a lot of problems saved a lot of time. The Missouri Brakes Someone would have told him. Murray question for you. Yes This experience filming wide away Kickstarts your love affair with the movie making process.
It does now and I have no reputation at this point in time He's not a known quantity But beyond that only one movie later not only is he this prodigy is he on the cover of Time Magazine is he Oscar nominated? All this sort shit He also then immediately has a thing that made him such a prime subject for us the beginning bling check like a brain right? He's got an identity people have an idea what he represents He remains if not the biggest name involved with any movie like kind of splitting the bill because you even think about it the period Time where he's working with like huge movie stars at their peak The advertising is can you believe Mel Gibson's in an M night trauma on movie? You know, yeah, like and half the time He is the biggest name I remember being a huge deal when Bryce Dallas Howard was cast as the lead in the village because it was like her first thing He's gonna make it.
Oh, that's a star making It was like the same conversation that people had when Rooney Marlon was cast in girls dragon Right, it was the role every 20 early 20s like he's either working with the top He's making stars himself, you know, but it's like everything's written about decision What was your memory like of him on set? I'm curious what he was like in those early days Especially before he has any sort of reputation to uphold so I was I was like eight So my memory of him specifically she were young I was very young. It is not it. No, I was not old I was I was young I was about the same age as the little boy.
What's his transfer? No, well Also probably Casper's age as well. Yeah, I was you know in between Trent and Casper's age I don't really remember him on set. I remember him at the premiere.
Yeah of the movie because he it was You know, right? There's like a podium and it's like Harvey Weinstein goes up and he speaks Yeah, and he's a big character then Al Gore Yeah, goes up in speaks and then it's this little guy. Yeah, who just seen I mean I think night must have been like mid 30s at the time and just he just it's this this is the guy who made the movie Like I knew who he was but it was it just did not feel like he was the biggest star at his own premiere It is funny how for like 10 or 15 years am night got very caught up with like I need to see mysterious I'm like a master of four. I'm creating this sort of mystery around me Which obviously hits its peak with like the fucking buried secret and everything three of us went to see old together Ben Marie graph David saw it himself earlier on a mysterious beach and it starts me street hotel, but sure there's some weird rocks in the Um, but when we saw that AMC there was a pre-movie message for em night And it was just kind of a stark contrast of just like now and nights like a totally avuncular like hey Thank you so much for coming out to the sea.
Yeah, I'm the old I really hope it scares the shit out of you social media seems to change him there We're just kind of active on it right any very like fun dad on Twitter. I think that I think it's interesting I was just listening to a podcast on my ride over here To our beach recording studio It was an interview he did with this NPR podcast specifically about Entrepreneurship and resiliency I forget the name of the podcast, but I will tweet about it I'm he refers to himself as mischievous And he is he is an absolute scam and he he referred to himself as mischievous instead of Mysterious because it was sure how do you see yourself night as someone who originally got this reputation as being like a bit of a Master of darkness I do playing the role. Yeah, I mean we covered in our podcast you should go listen back But the buried secret about your first movie role right which I was cut out is a he's he that's not always make the That's the height of him his own head about his image as the next hit shock or whatever and he's like I need to present myself as like spooky ghost right it's it's fascinating But because as you said like when you step back you're like he's like I directed wide awake You're almost surprised this guy's a director. There's something kind of like you know There is something in fish about him an interview I feel like I probably brought this up at some past point of podcast But he did an episode of Norm McDonald's very short-lived Netflix talk show that was incredibly good and like most of his guests on the show were Comedians right and you're like why is M.
Night going on this? But I think he's entered the state of being like very candid and open and reflective about is he done Marin yet? I don't think he has but I mean here's it's gotta be in the works Yeah, it doesn't look like he has I don't think he could do Marin because I think Mark Marin No offense to mark now probably still thinks of Shyamalan is like what that like bad movie director because this is the thing that's Happened with old yeah, it's come out and this reaction has been predictable, right? But it's half people being like it's so great to see this guy making movies that are original and interesting Obviously two movies that no one sees despite the second one featuring a star making performance from Right six senses of fucking global phenomenon.
He's a brand then it starts to be like what's the deal? What's the deal what's the deal? Sure comes a joke bomb bomb bomb bottoms out and then he's been on this upward trajectory since we finished the miniseries Yes, but I think that but glass divided people despite being profitable I think that among many people yes, they're just still like well Yeah, but he like makes bad movie. Yeah, I'm not a conversation many times this week when I'm right What are you doing on Friday night guys?
Oh, I'm so excited wait and make sure I'm really bad the reason I'm bringing up the timeline thing is just because I feel like when the Visit came out people were like that surprisingly good and even people like you and I were like really can it be we watch it? We're like fuck. It's good by the time split comes out people are like that looks good Like people are surprised. There's no tongue-in-cheek nature to it fuck that looks good comes out people like it a lot So humongous hit when glass was coming out there was genuine excitement.
This guy got his groove back I would say especially because of it's star studded. It's recalling his past glory two movies that people liked and then glass Did not win over a majority of the audience. So now old you're back in the zone where it's like oh He's now back to very strong defenders and people who just laugh him out of conversation immediately Yeah, I just think there's this I don't know we're gonna talk about it. I mean this movie is exceptional.
I could love it It's one of the best movies of the year. I think it's his best movie since the village I like a lot of his movies. That is pretty much what he said might agree with you S tier I walked out. I think I told you this I was like on a high.
I'm loving it. Yeah, I get a text from a film critic I shall not name a friend of the show Picking he's like what was up with this and I was just like just a fucking talking to me right? Yeah, right? I'm riding an M9.
I don't want to be brought to earth with your negativity that like we're the movie ends We're just sort of sitting there reeling right Marie Ben and I and I'm just like I love this guy So fucking much and like I get it. You're either all the way in or all the way out at this point We've gone through so many cycles with this dude, you know But like I just fucking love what he is. I love who he is I have more appreciation for even like the movies that I feel like I was more critical about back We did the show like fucking after earth and last airbender you're never gonna sell me on right? So the ones I want to write I want to go back to her lady in the water and happening now you were you have Happening but I happening really while Berg is just I think old is better happening like Yes, far but yes, I know I get the compare He was doing all the happening press his whole thing was like look I don't want to be pretentious I'm not trying to win Oscars anymore I'm just trying to make the best be movie of all time and we were sort of critical of that where it's like Oh, he's like acting like he's above this thing or he changed He's trying to change the narrative after the bad reviews came in right and this actually feels like oh This is like a fucking champagne of B movies like this is Elevated Twilight Zone episode.
That's what I want but it is it is interesting though because I mean yes He does now refer himself as mischievous, but he also referred to old as like Bergman Island not to steal the title of me Hands and loves movie, but still I mean I think there there are elements of art film in it This is what I watch in wild strawberries and he's like yeah But what if this guy was in a beach the baby like what if we like just kind of like hit the pedal to the metal Whatever this is what I love and this is why I'm just like look maybe he's blown his career again, right? Like maybe he was back. Hear me out. Hear me out I think he was at a point where he had Successfully for a couple of years killed all of the sort of obvious jokes about he had it was partly my guess Yeah, he had basically yeah, right?
I was in a provisional state or a radar way. Yes We're just like I don't if I stop someone on the street and I was like you heard a split I don't even know if they would have known it was Shyamalan so much 150 million Right, right, right the fuck it was so triumphant, you know, and it was like this is a different style he has dropped his pretension But no, he's gonna say like I just want to scare people. I just want here's my here's my argument. Yes as much as yes Sure, they knew split was made by him.
Yeah, but I do feel like with split not for nerds like I was so much But for the general public that was the James McAvoy movie and oh this didn't look scary And but it would like you watch it and you're like wow that's that we were that actor I sort of know from like X-Men or whatever was really going wild. Let's acknowledge another thing Which is Blumhouse hey, yeah, yeah, sure It's a harm At this point we're just going on for like 20 years and someone like my sister who is younger is like split looks scary Should I see that right and she does not know that success has it with him? She's not like cackling at the very sight of Right, right. It's just that movie looks scary.
It's me by that producer me scary shit The other thing to sort of acknowledge with this is like and it the Norbert Donald interview right he sort of talked about his career bottoming out and feeling like he lost his way and went too far up his own But got really defensive the more people criticizing the more he doubled down on his shit Yeah, and all that sort of stuff the other thing he said is like, you know, I got really successful really really young sure Dude, he's not that old. How old is I'm right? I mean now? He's 40 No, he's 50 years old.
I mean look I mean unless he's on any beaches Right the point is he's 28 29 when the sixth sense comes out That's his third movie and becomes on the 10 highest person was well time becomes well the youngest best director on these all this worship Right and he's like it was so big everyone was like expecting all this shit for me And I started buying into my shit like too much and all of this and he said like, you know I think I lost my way. I was trying to prove people wrong rather than doing what made me happy all this sort of stuff But the thing he said that was really interesting was he talked about How like he would study other directors careers, right? And he would go there's like this point in your career where you have a lot of ambition a lot of ideas and you don't have the craft yet You don't have to make the movie yet, right? And then there's some fulcrum point where the two things collide in opposite directions Your knowledge your understanding your experience have do the technical thing Collides with you being in a pure creative state, you know And you know what you're doing, but you're not over intellectualizing it And then from that point on the two things start to go in the opposite directions again And it's hard to get it back because you know what you're doing too well You're trying to replicate success all this sort of shit And the thing he said was I knew I had to be scared again Like I need to feel like I had something at stake here So for splits for glass and for the visit, I said them in a mixed-up order He goes to Blumhouse he mortgages his house in Philadelphia And he says I'm putting my own money into this self-producing it I need to feel like this movie needs to be a hip because it's literally my livelihood on the line So he goes small he goes insular he has complete creative control and those movies are all three financial heads of varying levels Uh old is he's not a Blumhouse.
He's a big universal. He's working with an actual budget again This is sort of him for the first time in a little while back to playing by the old rules of how he used to operate Well, let me complicate this sure sure I was again listening to this NPR podcast the name of which I'm forgetting Old was an interesting production because it was an entirely covid shot bubble movie Everyone quarantined in the Dominican Republic. Yeah, so to contend with the weather, which they started right before covid No, they started in september of 2020. Yes, that's wild.
So yeah, so I believe it was an eight week shoot And uh, they he night bought out the hotel. Yeah, and everyone who you know was there was fully there No one was on set who wasn't supposed to be and it was that he was kind of running his own little universe that he had complete control over I think the movie may be cost like 18 million dollars, which yeah, that's a list of budget, which is uh, it's a budget It's not a compared to what other movies made by directors at his level. Sure. It's fair.
It's pretty small I'm correct. He didn't self-financed this one, right? At least not entirely. Uh, I don't know because I feel like he sort of reveals that later I don't I don't he kind of gives us an m night challenge, but this is not a Blumhouse.
This is just a universal film And I'm sure i'm sure big universal is totally fine greenlighting and 18 million dollars The movie made back, you know, that the most it gets that's in the ring delta Like so it's like, you know, they're not really taking a hit. Yeah, um, it is it is just all interest I mean, he had not trying to like figure out timeline shit, but it's like this The book that it's based on I know he read when he was preparing for glass Someone found an instagram post of his when he was prepping glass Assimilate himself within the current comics lands of belgian, I believe Yes, but yes from when I heard it started It's right. It's a pretty big More than I think he liked the basic concept and he wrote what is largely an original film with that as a starring point I think the film was supposed to start shooting A few months before september that's and he did as much as he could before getting to the Dominican Republic Okay, he he storyboarded every shot, you know, every everything that he could prepare for he did and then you know He gets there and he see I don't know how he didn't go into the granular details of The script and what was changed post-covid. It seems very much like it was it was uh, what is the word I'm looking for again with the gee means you're pregnant with something i'm just eating just Yes, it's just accumulating, but that's not the right word.
It was just eating during covid Okay, the covid resonance of the film is very it's very strong It does feel deliberate and I think it probably is he does say that he you know purposely made it two settings Yeah, I mean he was trying to keep it as small and as covid bubbly as possible It's a small group of people outdoors. Yes in a set location for most of the rent I mean, it's the same thing as fucking white lotus. We're like I was talking about this with rami yesterday But hbo was like we can't fucking film anything mike white if you have any ideas that take place in hawaii Will give you a green light in two months Yeah, and you're gonna have 15 actors who are ready to do it just like rich people to resort there's a murder and they're like sure Cool Right, that's the thing you get all this like these fucking great actors because they have nothing else to do Like all this is similarly kind of ingenious in that way David what's the matter? I'm gonna share for you a horrifying tale of whoa and suffering.
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Yeah, she's in this too. Yeah, she has a pretty small role. It's true. Yeah, I mean, it's all I mean It's all like it's all kind of established people by and large.
Yeah, yeah, is this Vicki crepes his first Major release post-vantibread You know, she has a brief part in the girl in the spider's web which we all remember in love Definitely exists. We got caught in the web. We were all caught in the web where she plays I saw that film the the editor, I guess of um, like whatever, you know, daniel craig except it's not daniel craig anymore It's uh, some other fucking, you know, the So she's like the robin right role. Yes.
She's the the one at the magazine Who's like what is your story about like the the girl in the spider's web and he's like listen I can't sleep with you right now. I have to leave and you know, it's a thankless role That's the only thing I've seen her and i do like you and i david has spent the last like two plus years of river going like where's crepes? Where is crepes? Where's crepes?
Just fire up the world wrapped around her finger Let's make some crepes. Let's make some crepes. Who's from wuxenberg, Vicki crepes? Right.
She did the doc secretary general. She should be secretary general. She should be secretary general. Right.
Right now she's in burgundy island Like now she's starting to do stuff again, but um She's in that movie Beckett that josby the washington is in right? That's a movie. That's a movie I don't really know much about it, but jdw looking hot. She's in a movie that berry levenson made called the survivor Interesting, it's gonna be a tiffy's here, I guess Okay, it's a benfoster boxing movie benfoster boxing movie.
We all have to make our benfoster boxing. I cannot wait to hear about how he prepared for that role Wait, what? What do you mean? You think he got in the ring with someone?
Look, I don't think he did less I think he probably did much more than he just like oh, right. I watched ain'thin body scenes if i was just really good in that He's I mean benfoster is great. I wish only the best for him. Yeah, he's great except for when he you know, whatever skills they have I I tend to love watching him on the big screen And I perversely love watching him do interviews talking about what he did for those performances See, I don't know about that side of benfoster, but he like hang out with dead soldiers for the messenger Absolutely and the famous one is that he he took all the drugs that uh lance armstrong took and then interviews was like But I wouldn't recommend most actors do that.
I just leave it to do it. He's actually good in that movie Usually the funniest thing would be if he like hung out with birds to play angel or whatever, right? He just like spent two weeks with birds speaking of you know age time everything Did you guys ever watch that canadian show that's on the disney channel? It was a called flash forward It was him and julcey.
Yeah, it was like There was another show called flash where there are two shows called flash forward He was on goofy flash forward, which is sort of like a proto even steven Yes, he was playing like shy a goofball dude Sure. I mean because I remember him as a young actor. He was he was very cute Under he was like doing the voices and the rubber faces and all that stuff Yeah, jeez here it is. Yeah a 1996 But I feel like there was some sort of time progression element like the opening said like the the credits were him and jul state as like little kids And then you see them growing up really fast and their best friends But also like you know a lesson so being a boy who's friends with a girl is kind of complicated.
Yeah, anyway Ben Foster is not in old. He's not a great cast Although bender foster feels like he is dying to do a chamalan movie Like you could imagine absolutely he would fit in the philadelphia universe for sure Yeah, yeah, and you give him like a rufus soul type Mm-hmm. Oh, can we can we talk rufus? We're gonna talk rufus.
We can we I guess we can get there, but we'll get there We need to wait for the van to come and bring us Yeah, mnite needs to drive us in the van. That was an early thing I mean like going out of order here, but when mnite is driving the van and then opening the game returns It really brings its own. She's like this is the best director cameo of all It is incredible. It's something literally driving you to the premise of the movie come right in here You go here's and she is he's he's literally a table setting I think the movies over I think we should be I believe me and my shaman as we know Yes loves to be in his movies much like big al his cock used to do it.
What's his name? Red Reddy? What was that character's name killed up? I believe it is red ready.
Yeah, so ready ring the belly Sometimes he's bad such as in signs where he plays a guy who killed no groups. It's not good for one. Uh, sometimes he's you're just like Oh, there's a my chamalan for a second. Yeah, he's like playing a doctor.
I think this kid can see dead people And you're like fine. He finally found the perfect thing. He's good in this movie He's good. It's actually it's a really good.
It's jamming that he's in it Well, there's something a little bit squirrely about how he plays on camera I will say I no longer think it applies to him in interviews, but as an actor There's something a little uneasy about him and that's perfect for this Yeah, it's perfect for this where he's playing too hard to be like ham like nice chill guy He has the one line because in the village he's got that line where he's like he has to explain like the entire plot about whatever Is village can he was like two fucking clever? He's like putting he's the one line where he's like yeah, I've watched for like 90 seconds or whatever Like he where he like yeah, you're like wait. That's not long. Okay, whatever.
It doesn't matter. We're moving on here But apart from that perfect. Yeah, I just loved seeing him the rear window shot with a big camera Oh, so good. I was like I was tackling if we're talking about him being mischievous.
Yes, it was quite an impish little cameo He's in on the joke. Yep. Finally. Finally.
I finally was he in on the joke and lady in the water. No, no, no No, no, no, he's in tune. No, he's in tune. No, he's in tune.
No, I forgot. I forgot the apotheosis That's the one where you need to tell stories because you help say but that's what you're saying is he in on the joke And that's what we're missing about I've only seen lady in the water once I and I saw it like maybe four years ago Uh, it's so fucking weird. I don't think I was prepared for how weird it is. That's not really about snarfs.
Snarfs. There's snarfs and scrumps and you know Because having one jack on yeah, yeah, and you know Drinking milk and like convulsing on a couch. I mean there's a lot of stuff maybe maybe I would maybe I would benefit from seeing it again in a post Mischievous night Shyamalan. Yes, you know frame of mind Is that the beginning of it?
I like that would be a lot But I don't think that movie is in on the joke and I think that really has a lot of comedy and a lot more humor than people were expecting It's a very sincerely told movie. Yes, right has that sort of story book She's playing a character story. I'm making right like that's our member of it Right. I think that was all disarming to people because it was so different than what he was thought of as doing But I think his the friend of him in that movie does not feel like it is in on the joke But like I think that's him reckoning with people told me I was the new Spielberg I think this is him going.
This is why I want to be I want to be cackling at the top of a mountain Yes, well weird shit happens to something He's kind of like Spielberg if a iron girder just fell on Spielberg's head kind of yeah down to the like 10 more minutes at the end where you're like Okay, you know like it over you're like do we need to tell him? It's not like you know what I'll take the time like starting out with like, you know night gallery and name of the game And then going to dual and that sort of stuff and you're like well But I'm saying Jaws sort of becomes a sixth sense moment right where it's like you have elevated this to an art form But he wasn't trying to he wasn't neither was I'd argue exactly that right and then and I was like you are correct I did just do that You know well, then that's the problem with the happening the last year bender effort that he feels like he's scrambling He feels like he's trying to get by the old glories right right and he's like I got to stop competing with who I used to be I need to do right, but old is so good. It's so good. I mean Some scattered thoughts on this movie.
Okay, you guys all saw it together. Did you have a good time? Can I just can I just set the scene? I would like you to set the scene there I was asleep because I got to sleep at night 30 then I was 10 30.
Yeah, Ben Griffin and I went to a late screening of old on Friday night, uh, which in Times Square Yeah, I mean in the city that never sleep the streets are filled with ATVs. They they literally I go up to Ben I say hi Ben Age the symphony of dirt bikes Ben his eyes grow wide. He his mouth Just because they're doing the thing where they fucking put it on the back tires. Yeah, sure sure It was an amazing prelude.
It was even better than Mariam and who knows prepping us for Yeah, we go we see the movie. We have a great time And I think I can say I don't think the three of us have spent much time in Times Square in the last 20 months So even that is kind of mood setting Yes, but I was pushing like I think we should go to Times Square and opening at Times Square I it's a kind of who you want to see and I'm like movie with I've seen bad ones And I've seen good ones in Times Square, but people are might be questioned a little crowd great question Well, I would argue that maybe we were the only people who were watching the movie We walk in they're like nodding in understanding two people in the theater, right? We're there like five minutes before the movie starts and we all kind of go like oh, I'm nice People fill in it's not a sold-out screen, but people fill in there was a woman who was sitting next to me I like she was there was a couple at the end of our row. Yeah, I'm pretty sure when we were staying there after the credits talking I'm pretty sure I saw her giving him a blowjob a full blowjob interested Yeah, and I tried to tell you guys and you guys were I guess you were I was gonna say it seemed like she was watching the movie But I guess maybe there was enough because they were the very end of our row Maybe there was a woman in the I think there was a woman in the middle in the middle.
That's what I was talking No, there was another couple of them that were having a good time watching the only was like the one sitting closest to me Old lady and then there was like a rowdy group of teenagers like 15 of them, which is what I would expect at an M9 channel so I would expect that was 90% of the audience. There was one big group They were saying like five rows behind us and 30 minutes in they moved like five rows ahead of us Well, some of them did yes, there was a beef there was beef going down You love when that happens at a multiple they were joking about beating each other up It was clearly a joke, but then they also sort of started doing it, but they were laughing while they were yeah It never felt like it was a threatening situation But there was like a constant soundtrack of conversation happening during the movie Do you remember the thing you said to me because if you don't I'd like to quote it directly Which I think you put it perfectly about the experience watching the movie with these young men No, you do it. You said this movie is this movie is so good And like so thoroughly has us in the palm of his hands that even a bunch of teenagers shouting suck my dick Every tenant couldn't distract you from the work he was doing like he was Grossing like every night's back in the zone enough because some of that night's films that would have broken the spell right Oh, yeah And then what I added on to that was at some point in the movie when something weird was happening or something quiet was happening Or there was a pause they would make a fart noise or do something stupid right that would kind of work against the energy of the movie Right to Ben's point. I don't think it actually disrupted I think we were so yeah that it wasn't breaking the spell that having been said the thing that I found very satisfying Was these guys absolutely coming into the screen with their own shit trying to be bigger than this movie above and all that There were as many moments where the movie got quiet and it was pin drop silent I was like you fuckers think you're clowning on this week, but he's got you It's kind of right in the next scene that go like whatever No, he had you there for a couple minutes.
Yeah, it almost started to feel forced because the movie's momentum It's it's going so fast that I think it earlier in the the showing they were doing that and I feel like even towards the end It became really like less frequent. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Now. Look there people hate this man I think it's fucking stupid And some erica you're told to your opinion. Yes, but I do think this is one of those movies where it's not like The thing that I feel like I'm not used to getting for where it's like oh my god amazing premise And then halfway through take some catastrophic turn and the thing goes off the rails right I found the people who don't like this movie don't like it from the beginning And they're like this is boring. It's ridiculous.
It gets more ridiculous Or you're fucking on his wavelength and then it just builds and builds and builds and builds I don't know anyone who liked this movie and then it lost them Agree with that people who don't like the movie right? We're not it's not like they were like, but I've seen complaints about the ending Absolutely. I don't love the ending. I love how the beach makes you I know I love how the beach I love the reveal of the Pharmaceutical company or whatever that is.
Yeah doing the experiment human experimentation spoilers spoilers Listen to this episode. No go see old. Yeah, it's about a beach makes you old Uh, I did not I wish that we sat in the discomfort of that moral quandary longer And we just we discussed this as we were leaving a griffin You had a good argument that maybe the movie does that it has a bit of a the end of the graduate sort of ending with the two kids Who are adults on the helicopter going back to face the real world Not really knowing what's gonna happen and how they're gonna deal with their new bodies and their new lives I think it is one of his better twists if you just look at the reveal of the pharmaceutical studies Right and then the question is what is the right note to end on in the aftermath of that reveal Then the question is what if it beats me? Well, of course and my second question My follow-up question is what is the right note to end on in the aftermath of that reveal?
Right and Marie your media take was like I kind of like it if they die in the coral You cut to the study and then that's sort of this very bleak Jaring ending right rather than giving them a victory and what I said is I'm still kind of chewing on the ending I don't know where I land totally just like it But I'm trying to figure out like which ending I think leaves you with the most interesting thoughts My argument was yes the sort of helicopter thing of like hey, what the fuck is their lives? Right, right? Are they gonna like get jobs? Like how do you think your aunt would respond if her six-year-old nephew was a 50-year-old or whatever?
Right, whatever we are we should have done in July jokes this movie ends on right But the other thing I kind of like about it is like you have this study those scenes are playing very straight, right? It's this very interesting moral quandary of just like trolley car problem So what if they let 10 people die on the beach if you're actually curing diseases forever? That's a difficult question. Is it fucking worth it all this sort of stuff?
It's a good kind of twilight zone like it's twilight zoney, but again the whole Shyamalan thing where like who are the real monsters? Yes, but also there's a little bit of a sort of like someone got hit in the head in the middle of writing the script I'm also like wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second.
Why are they all in the beach at the same time? Can't we just do one at a time? There's so many problems with your stupid experiment, but I don't care about that This is the other thing because it's this is old on the beach When when we did Shyamalan originally I had not really like become a Twilight Zone fan since then I watched most of them And not only that it's been a show I go to like a lot especially when I'm in like stressful periods in my life It's a comfort food show I rewatch and all of that and there's something about the style of that show that very few people have been able to replicate Or translate or carry over to anything else including the many attempts of trying to modernize the Twilight Zone, right? And it is that like it is not a subtle show at all No, it is a very theatrical show in terms of performance in terms of direction It's a real showcase for both and it's got big fucking ideas But there's something about the fact the worst season of Twilight Zone is the one where they were like what if it's an hour and they all become laborious Right, right when they're fucking 25 minutes long They're not subtle But there's something about the economy and the impact of the density of what they're doing that you forgive the cartoonishness and certain things Right the bonk on the head feeling because it's like look We got to set these characters up in three pages because then the setup the reverse needs to happen on page six And then there has to be the status quo for ten pages So we can come up the ultimate revealer to twist or whatever it is And he actually has made like a Twilight Zone movie that I think sustains that stuff for two hours Which is a hundred eight minutes, which is which is pretty fucking wild and that ending feels like that to me too Where a lot of those Twilight Zone endings it just sort of goes somewhere else You have an ending that feels like an epilogue to something else you go to a different location You reveal different characters your perception of the thing was wrong You go to a different scene and it's just like here's its own little capsule story that reframes what you watch before There's something I like about the starkness of just ending with that right doesn't really make sense No, David as you said the organizational thing that makes no fucking sense But there's a point he's trying to make and he's trying to make it I don't care the metaphor is just so rich.
Yes, and Like this movie is so sad and beautiful and it's so so visually adventurous for him I would say I agree or I want to make this one point before we get into that What I do like about the ending aside from just the weirdness of what's their fucking life now, right? And you've already introduced the question of the morality of shutting down the thing I liked that the ending feels like it might be a little bit tongue-in-cheek where it's like look They got the cops they took them down as triumphant their fucking Jurassic Park helicoptering home the music is swelling They're enjoying each other and it's like they might be the villains the two kids might be the villains here Well, what what in the name of the greater good is more the villains you know what I'm saying They might have actually stopped something. I like the question. I'm not saying I think they are I like the question sure I've been thinking about this in this conversation while we're having this conversation.
I'm trying to think of The bigger picture m night. What is he trying to say politically etc etc Um, I've had a lot of climate change anxiety recently This is a movie about raising your children during climate. This is about this the movie about you know Maybe it's okay if you're old right now if you're already lived half your life Yeah, and you know you're you're it's okay that we're scientifically experimenting on you and you've already had a nice You've already went to prom, but I had your first kiss and you already had those memories you were able to become a parent I think to zoom out. It's a movie about like what do you do when we're maybe 15 years away from a complete class the moon is wobbling Right.
Like everything's a fucking I'm sorry. What's I'm not afraid of the moon is the moon is the moon has been the moon is wobbling For a little bit and so the hides are gonna be a little saucy for 10 to 15 years Fuck wobbling a little bit. How did it get like loose? It's well.
I don't know why most was on the loose Watch the moon he wobbled the moon. Yeah, he gave it a turn look. What are you gonna do? Sometimes moons wobble.
Okay. Well, but these are the things that am I fucking right? Yeah, I mean, you know, the happening is also about the you know what we're doing to the environment. We're making the environment angry Yeah, I mean, it's it's I think it's something that maybe gets put on the back burner with his work as a whole because people get so focused on The twists but I think he is kind of grappling with big issues in a lot of his This movie is Existential like he's it's very he also, you know, a theme that he returns to a lot is like the dignity of children and like they're they haven't corrupted Right.
Well, they haven't been corrupted But also the fact that you know, you should speak to them on their level understand their experiences and what they're going through and you know You shouldn't dismiss them. You know kids are the heroes of what like wide awake six cents at the visit signs are you signed? Absolutely. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, breakable.
I mean, I mean, breakable. You know, he's a huge part of the last one. Obviously the visit I mean that one kid around is annoying, but it's about the kids recognizing that something's bad and no one listening to that Joy, you could argue. Right.
I mean, this is the thing. I have not fully formulated my take on this But I'm working on it because like you and I were talking about this David I hadn't seen the movie yet. You were sort of talking about the complaints people have right and when people were like dialogue Things like people were like how we still have to figure out how to write dialogue to which I say that's how he writes dialogue You can dislike it But to say like he fundamentally doesn't how to do it is like what I said to you was it's like pinging fucking Douglas Circ for not being naturalist I'm just like, can you dislike it or can I get mad at you and tell you shut the fuck up if you don't like his dialogue? Maybe it's cilantro, right and it fucking hits your tongue differently He is kind of the cilantro But he's doing what he's doing stand when people talk about dialogue with like what people don't talk like that I don't go to beaches and make a whole year.
Yeah, good good person. Yeah, here's another thing. Sorry. People are fucking weird Okay, sure like I spend this last weekend in New Jersey doing meet great shit for the human show right for masters I'm your humble brag I bring this up only because I spent 20 months being largely in seclusion only in the last six weeks have been seeing people again, right?
Even still I'm not going out into public I'm not meeting a lot of strangers Whatever and I had two days where I was like meeting a lot of people in very short conversations Guess what? There was no standardized way that people talk and I say this because I went through fucking weekend I'm having to read just my brain every five minutes to a very different way that every single person The other thing about it is like I think his dialogue is very on the nose When people say things it's often serving a plot utility They're saying things that will be picked up later or giving you you have the weird quirk of the kid who asks everyone's occupation This is my point. I'm gonna come back to go. But honestly kids are fucking weird and they do that.
They don't make perfect sense to me. Good Vicky creeps up maybe said that she worked in a museum a couple last time Sure, maybe she works in a museum. She probably works for the University of Pennsylvania's Archaeology Museum Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
They're from a great marine text me seconds out of the movie Is there a Philly connection? I'm like don't worry. Yeah, I mean a couple weeks ago I tweeted something that was like I swear to God if like I only hear not pen professors on vacation I don't know what I'm gonna fucking do I was half expecting the twist to be that the beach was in Philly the whole time I mean, this is just the plain The shores of the school was a true intro to the style trip where they fell asleep and then they were here and everything right? You can't go in the water.
You can't go in the water. That's the tell. You know, but this was the thing I was talking through right and I haven't I haven't totally come to it But like he at this point has now had Several movies where you have characters who are like weird computer-brain people who are obsessed with like stats and facts and numbers You've got wallbergs always talking mad Like it's almost the one that's crazy about it was almost the one sorry I forgot right but when people are like here's the thing I know very well Even the way that like I'm breakable opens with like here's how many pages of comp books are printed per year This weird like very Dactic master glasses whole personality is like that the way right and this you have the kid who's like I need to ask everyone The profession is but you also die 90% chance you're dying on a beach you have heat stroke or you have a doctor and nurse and like a fucking you see a master And all this sort of stuff, right? I do think especially with how much is movies are about children There is this I want to say sort of like there is a point of view to that It is not arbitrary even look at like Jeffrey writes like I don't know I understand puzzles are the only thing I understand All these people who are like caught up in these codes and these languages and these like knowledge bases that they can understand Right and I think it's all about people trying to make sense of a nonsensical world You know especially movies that are increasingly about absolutely bonkers bananas things happen to quote-unquote everyday people right because he doesn't make movies about extraordinary heroes He makes movies about people who somehow have these things voiced upon them Right and I think there is that element of just like it's about people contending with a world that doesn't make sense And it doesn't make sense even before the nonsensical thing happens I also think he is somewhat still confounded by the way that adults talk to each other And I don't think he is failing to write it all directly because he doesn't get it I think he is sort of saying like it is weird that grunts just go like oh yeah and the Dow and this and that and the numbers and the And he understands more kids were able to just sort of go like who are you what do you do for a living?
Why am I sad you know who aren't office getting their language and all these weird sorts of codes and no I think that's it like that David yes, they say that the eyes are the window to the soul. Did you say that? What does that make our glasses? The windows the window frames?
I don't know the curtains Yeah, the curtains. The point is, if you are a glasses wearer, like I am, or like our own producer, Ben has true. It's a big decision. Sure.
Because this is how you introduce yourself to the world. Just engage with other people. Make eye contact through the frames. Sometimes it's just time for a refresh.
Totally agree. All right. Well, so what about Zinni Optical? Oh, look at those Zinni glasses.
The eyewear. They got fun shapes, sizes, and colors. They got a lot of colors. Right.
Statement pieces. Bold statement pieces. Right. And they're inexpensive, I would say.
They're an online eyewear shop with prescription glasses, sunglasses, blue light lenses, all starting at under $30. That's crazy. That is very low. I feel like glasses often cost more than $30.
Way more. But you go to Zinni.com, you pick a frame, you upload your prescription, they ship it to your door, no appointment, no store, no self-de-counter. Easy. And that price?
Yeah, something kind of shifts. You're not like, do I need new glasses? You're like, why don't I try something fun? Right?
Sometimes you get an old pair, they got a scratch on them, it's annoying, but you're like, am I going to go through the hassle? Or the screws start to get loose and you find yourself taking out that microscopic little screwdriver over and over again to tighten them up. I think this price might not just get another pair. Then I ordered a pair of the Magoo.
I think this is funny. Okay. We all know from Mr. Magoo, the cartoon character who can't see.
And Zenny is saying, let's solve that problem, let's give you glasses called Magoo, they're blue and green, two of my favorite colors, a nice boxy frame. I also ordered a pair, I got Crystal Sand Oval sunglasses, very reminiscent of a Kurt Cobain-esque looking pair of glasses that I feel like you also wore in the film pavement. Very similar. Yes.
Someone inspired by you. Yeah. And I got these great sunglasses, they're sort of clear frames with a greenish tinted lens. I'm wearing the Magoo as just everyday optical prescription glasses and let me say, I'm having the opposite of Mr.
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David. Yep. I love wearing hats. I'm a hats man.
You are. Certainly. I'm much like Daniel Plainview. I love starting businesses.
Yeah. But I'll tell you the one part of the starting business I don't like, having to wear so many hats all at once. I'm a one hat at a time guy. Okay.
Well, I guess you can only have one hat at a time and you're just going to be intimidated and lonely. That's the concern. But here's an option. What if Shopify could metaphorically take some of those hats off your head and start wearing them themselves?
Look, Shopify is the commercial platform behind millions of businesses around the world. Ten percent of all e-commerce in the U.S. is pretty crazy stat. You know, we're working on getting our own Shopify page up.