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Welcome to What I'm Your Host Jimmy Olsen and joining me is now semi retired lawyer in Iowa or as a full retire to yourself doing something. More than semi. He is also a digging for the dice he said the morning and something I just found out myself he's an author of a couple of memories and co-host of Faith on Trial and Iowa Catholic Radio which is also podcast you can check it out. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome with me.
My man, how are you? Very good. Very good. So, you know, how do you see them all out there flooding?
Well, you know, we'll make this sound effects for you. So, you know, I actually work with Mike, my real job outside when I, you know, trying to do these little podcast things like this. But we were having a conversation about a week ago or so about these, the protests and things that are going on and just kind of through a little idea of a conversation that I wanted to have in it. I could do the great guy to have the conversation with.
But in a lot of people that have known me for years and listen to my podcast so that I kind of have that spiritual background, you know, what my beliefs are not very quiet about it. And what is supposed to be? No, no, but you also don't need to be rude about it either. Which I'll admit there was a time in my life because you know, I grew up more of the Pentecostal charismatic.
So, I was that two by four Bible Christian. Yes, they're out in front of the grocery store with a megaphone and no, no, no, no, no, we're not able to hit the Bible if you believe what I said, you know, basically, you know, hey, it's my way to highway and figure it out. But of course, you know, as we get older, we mellow out or we understand things a little better. But one of the first things that popped in my mind with a conversation we're having is a scripture which is, and of course, I'll make it this wrong, but you won't show you what correct me being a dean.
But the first Timothy, two, two, 50, right? We're talks about, you know, when someone asks you about your faith or about your hope, any of the translation that you're using that you give a quiet and gentle or quiet and a reverent answer. And what kind of triggered me on that is also looking at not even talking, looking at the spiritual side of things, just looking at our life in general and what we're dealing with with protests and not just now, but over the years and how just that word, that scripture can say, you know, if you want someone to listen to you, don't be them over the head with it. Right.
And of course, there's a speaker's advice that when you want to draw attention to what you say and you drop your voice, you speak in a lower tone. And then people will struggle to listen to you, which I hear what you're saying. And of course, you got to remember too. And Jesus said, you know, when you're being tried and you're being pushed and you're asked to defend the faith, you need to rehearse what you're going to say.
We'll give you the words. We'll give you the words. So I think you take these things together and just common sense as that if you articulate your position quietly and comfortably, you're going to get through people. Now, some people you won't get through because I'm not going to listen.
Well, I know the other side of that is, you know, if you never agree with me, that's still okay. I have that's why we're individuals. I have my opinion. I have my philosophy and you have yours.
But being an adult, we should be able to have that conversation and still walk away. Still have a beer afterwards. Right. But that's not what we're having is everybody's shouting past one another.
And you see that especially out in the streets today where the topic is anything but religion really. But people are shouting at one another, they're trying to rock one another. And you're bad because I say you're bad and because you don't agree with me. And then they go off in this cancel culture thing where you try and remove the person from society, remove them from their job.
You have them fired or whatever because their beliefs and what they have to say aren't worth anybody listening to. So that's how some people now are trying to argue their cases now in society is that your statements, your beliefs are not worth my time to listen to and they're not worth anybody else listening to. So you have to shut up. And then so we're going to kick you off social media platforms and things like that.
You're listening to one on one on your host, Jim Elton and joining us. He might be his host for a faith on trial. And we're kind of talking about having a conversation and even a adult conversation. And at one point you and I were having a conversation a few weeks ago which kind of like brought this on that even if you were in line at a grocery store and there's someone there protesting standing on the corner whatever it is with a bullhorn.
I might agree with your beliefs, your thoughts, your stance. But you're kind of pushing me out. I mean, I don't want to, I don't need you blowing my face. Right.
If you've got something to say, you've got a brochure handed me a gun into the store. That's fine. My dad was a printer. He told me, always take anything.
Anybody can be to be printers. A lot. He printers and business. It's how I feed you.
That's right. So I've got a little bit of printers in my blood. So I take all those things. I think because that's why you have to get more, whether it's good or bad or whatever.
You have to get more. Well, I mean, and that still comes to going back to the old verg that Ronald Reagan used, but then even in the scripture where the trust and verify, you know, you are taking that pamphlet. So now you can actually go home, look it over and go, okay, are they right? Are they wrong?
Are there a piece of this that I can support is I mean, really be able to research that and delve into it. I think that's another problem that we run into. Number one, I think if you did not take the debate, you need to go back and take the debate because that's what it comes down to learning how to debate rationally and as an adult without yelling, which that's the other part we run into when people start screaming or yelling. And then next thing you know, you try to just have that quiet conversation with them.
They start pointing fingers and calling names. And in my book, when someone starts pointing fingers and calling names, that means you really have no clue what you're talking about. And that's the way I see it. Unfortunately, that's when some people start loading the weapons.
Well, there's that too. But you mentioned Ronald Reagan. I remember Ronald Reagan took on the other and people politically more different. They got a lot of very well together.
They got a lot of very well together. They argued they worked things out. They had meetings in the White House and they opened the bar. That's the way they did.
That's the way we should do it. And when you talk about somebody giving me a piece of literature, I may not agree with them, but I agree that they have the right to do that. And that's respect for that person as an individual. They have the right to express their viewpoint.
I may not agree with it. I may never defend it. I may reject it. I may go home and look at it.
And I take it to be your home and say, as I'm more on. But I'm just going to name you to the privacy of my own. Yeah, that's your face. But he has the right to do that.
And you have to respect him for that. I mean, that's part of the social compact that we have where we should have here is that you can say what you want. I'll respect your right to say it, but I don't have to agree. Well, also bring the golden rule in there two, others as you wish to be treated.
You want someone to listen to you, then you should be willing to listen to them. Right. Right. Absolutely.
It's pretty. Again, I look at this and I'm going to things pretty simple, but you watch the interaction and it's not that simple. That's the people that are irrational. Right.
Now rational people should be able to sit down and have a discussion like we are. And you can agree on a and I can disagree and promote b. But we can have a rational discussion about it. And if you're unable to get involved in that rational discussion, then you don't know what the issues really are.
It's for too many people. It's a hot button thing. Well, I'm opposed to that. But you don't know why you're opposed.
Right. Well, I mean, or with any kind of discussion, argument will use for arguments. There's still needs to be a little bit of emotion. Because if you're even in debate, you're going to you being a lawyer for all those years, you have to have some sort of emotion when you're pleading for someone to if you're doing a jury trial to lean your way or even just a judge, you want the judge to make you want to win that case.
But it's that balance of emotion and the balance of logic, bringing them together. But you are seeing way more emotion in these arguments or protests than the logic to that. The emotion usually comes on the side of the defense. If you look at a criminal case, a prosecutor should be very dispassionate as he's putting the evidence together.
The defense, if it doesn't have much of a defense, that's when they were engaged in the emotional argument. Sure. But no, both sides should be based on facts. You know, and that's what the trial is supposed to do, determine what these facts are.
And then the jury can make up with my way, things is the truth that really happened to make a judge. But that's the process for you. But it depends on people understanding what the other side is saying. You know, when I taught college, a lot of times we get I was teaching political science and all things like that.
People would get into debates. And what I would do is I would stop them in the middle of the debate. And I would ask one to say, you tell me what he just said, you explain to me what this guy you've been debating this with is saying. It's not time to do that.
But that's one thing I would recommend people try. Understand what the other side is trying to say, repeat it. Be able to repeat it so that you understand the he understands that you understand his side. Then do the same to the other side.
And eventually you get to the point where you're going back and arguing about facts and logic. And shouting at one another because I don't like you. You're not the right political part. You're not the right religion.
You're not the right color. You're not the right anything. And so I'm going to disagree with you now. Again, you're listening to one on your host, Jimmy Olson.
And I'm chatting with you. Mike Annoye is a co-host of Faith on Trial, which you're going to check out that podcast at diewcounttheradio.com. And we're not kind of chatting really. I guess just really break it down.
We're chatting protests because even if you think about it, a protest is a very casual courtroom. Now, is I mean, if you really, because you're standing for what you believe you're out in the public, but more of a public view rather than closed doors. So it's like a court of public opinion rather than a judge and jury or judge or the Supreme Court, whoever it is, trying to get them. And being able to have that conversation, you know, quietly, one of the problems I think we really have today.
And this is something that bothers me. I have a column I write every week with a captioned paper to wander and I've taken this subject out many times. And that's the inability of our media today to give both sides of an argument. Don't get me started on the media.
I've been doing media for like you being a lawyer. I'm media. And I started out in journalism. My undergraduate degree is in journalism.
I was a daily newspaper editor at one time in my twenties. And I have a great deal of respect for the profession. That's what I started out as. But my respect for the people in it now as diminished quite a bit because you hear all the time, each depending on what channel you go to, they're taking somebody's talking points and taking them as fact.
And of course, the other side is boring. It's becoming more of a editorial or a opinion page rather than here are the facts. Here's what's going on. Here is what you need to know because what I need to know, I'll be honest, I've been doing it way too long.
It does not get any ratings, which does not get any money. And we need money because they need money to pay me because they're not getting that. Exactly. And another piece going to more on the not just of the protest we've been hearing a lot of the last few weeks or the entire city home for the coronavirus or the mass or the racism and all that.
But even looking at the Christian or the spiritual side of things, either being a Protestant, being Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, whoever ends up standing up for their belief, they always like to use the argument, you know, my righteous anger, you know, because Jesus went into the temple and flipped over the tables because he was mad and he was making his point. And it's like, again, know what you're talking about. I mean, he was in a temple where people were, it's like, going into a church and I know people have problems with this. Going into a church, you have a merchandise area, that's also a copy shop, whatever it is.
Which I don't see a problem with that. And I don't know that, and I'll say this, I don't know if Jesus has a problem with that. The problem he was having is that they were taking advantage. If a dove was $2, they were selling it for $10 because you forgot your dove at home and I need it to go in and do my sacrifice or whatever that was.
So he was mad at those that knew better that were in, you know, high places, you know, in that religious, you know, counselor where it was. And so we got talking to a priest or pastor, you're taking advantage of your people. Now I have a problem with that. Now that, and now that conversation, because now I'm looking at you one on one, maybe I could get a little more upset with you.
I think what was happening too with Jesus over turning the tables and things like that is they have replaced the worship of God, the worship of these transactions. You know, every course we don't have a big get together anymore. But usually after mass, you know, there's coffee and don't have sometimes we have people coming in from Holy Land or something and they've got things to sell. That's why.
When we had speakers, when you were done, they had their books or CDs, right? And but that's separate from the worship. And then they go and they do this. Well, at least the ones I've been to, they never really overcharged.
In fact, usually when we had a guest speaker come in and it's like, you know, it's not only I'm going to give you a two, one of my books or two, one of my CDs, they kind of help you out. I want you to have my information. And I think that's that thin line that we hear that people step across way too easy because again, emotion takes over rather than long. Yeah.
And a lot of times those people will help you out if you don't have money to pay for it. And I remember I was absolutely I worked as a chaplain in a drug and alcohol rehabilitation thing. And a lot of times I would take some of those kids over to search for me because I always say, once you get your church, they weren't necessarily a cat, but I want to see some of them. You think, yeah, I mean, but I remember one case, one of the, I think one of the girls was looking at some jewelry that they brought in from the, from the Holy Land and she didn't have enough money for what she wanted to get.
It was a religious type and she had like half of what any guy gave it to her for that. Because they, they're in a ministry tube. So it's just like we have a Catholic bookstore here, divine treasures. That's a ministry in and of itself, right, you know, to go over there and browse their selections and what they have.
Yeah, absolutely. Again, you're listening to one on your host, Jimmy Olson. But chatting with Dick and Mike Manner, he is a Dean with the DIC and with the DICs of the Mooin semi plus retired lawyer. But then, yeah, I'm really not as old as I look.
I'm only about 26. It's practicing long being a Deacon that's done this to me. Well, you know, being a lawyer, you know, that whole overcharging thing you made your millions to have. What's the story of the dead lawyer that appeared before St.
Peter? Think he was looking at the record and he says, you're billing. So along with being the co-host of 8th on trial, how else can people follow along and see different things that you do? Because you also have the article.
I have the articles that I write every week for the wander. I have a Facebook page that you can usually post those on a Facebook page when you're published. And we have a faith on trial, Facebook page itself. We carry some of these things that are going on.
And then we have a blog, uh, based on trial radio. I'm trying to make sure that's what happened every every in 30 years. I haven't as old as I look. It's based on trial radio dot box.
And we put things, usually we put up on a block, our things, maybe you're too long to involve yourself to put up on those other things. So they can find you on Facebook at 8th on trial as well as Mike Mano. So they can find your articles and stuff. And then you look for Mike Mano or a faith on trial on block spot as well.
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