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Hope your off season of the NFL is going fantastic. And we've done this will be our third. Yes, Steven Segal movie. It is called out for justice part of the three word titles.
We're also doing Segal out of order, which I can't wait to talk about. But it's your favorite of the collection. This is it. This is if they ask you to do a director's commentary of any Steven Segal movie.
This would be it with no football. Did this give you the fuel post draft that you needed to just survive as you headed in the summer? The Super Bowl was terrible. The Eagles destroyed the Chiefs.
This is way, way better. And I got fired up. I walked around the neighborhood today, just hitting people in the face with a cue ball and in a towel. It was awesome.
So I'm ready to go right now. Did you have a guy named Stix and a guy named tattoo with you or no? Yeah, the Stix guy had sticks and the tattoo guy was covered in tattoos. That's my crew up here in the burbs.
I am so excited to do this movie. This is a big one. Well, we're going to take a break. We're going to run the trailer and then have for justice is next.
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We did not have him on Big guys 70s month. It's been a while since we've done a rewatchables. I sent you a list and every time I send you a list, you just you swap the list away by the Tumbo like to come in with Tumbo and you go, let's do out for justice. Why aren't we doing out for justice?
How have we not done it yet? You've been so passionate about it. It's almost like Tom Cruise. It's your version of Scientology.
Why? Because I've been lobbying this for five years, Bill, you and I did our first reward in 2020. It was COVID. It was all that.
And I'm like after team, well, if I'm like, now that we've done that, how about out for justice? And five years later, we're still doing it because it's my favorite cigar movie because it's the most cigar of the cigar movies. And let me just put it in the rewatch was what we've done. So we've done hard to kill, which we love, but it's idiotic and we make fun of it.
We've done under siege, but Saggal is not the star of under siege. The set pieces are. And then Tommy Lee Jones steals it at the end. Saggal is no ponytail.
He's kind of understated. And then we get to this out for justice. And it's just, give me an unmarked and a shotgun and it is full off the leash. Saggal.
And it's so fun to watch. I'm so happy. So we did hard to kill because I had been obsessed with that movie since college when he wakes up out of the five year coma and here's the guy goes, I'm going to take you to the bank, the blood bank and then immediately gets back in incredible shapes so he can fight even though he's been in a coma. And I'd really wanted to talk about that with you.
Under siege is a classic. As you mentioned, I think he's in it 41 minutes. Here's my offer. And I'm so glad you rekindled my love for this movie.
And I watched it twice in the last four days and I've seen it a bunch of times on cable. We did Cobra together, which I think is one of the best ones we've ever done. And one of the reasons we enjoyed it so much is it was sliced alone. It was kind of his version of Apex Mountain where it's just like nobody saying no to anything.
He's just it's sliced alone running a muck for an entire action movie. And nobody telling him like, you shouldn't do that. I don't know if that's a good idea. He's just left his own devices running a muck.
And that's the goal now for justice. He is out of control. Some of the research for it is fantastic. Just how out of control he was.
He really seems to think he's Italian. I know. You couldn't have put it better. It's the Cobra thing was we were like, there's a part where Cobra where he kicks pizza pizza out and cuts it with scissors and eats it and no one was like slide.
That doesn't make any fucking sense. You can't do that case in point. You can't roll up to a murder scene as a narcotics cop with a fucking beret and a sleeveless shirt. It doesn't make sense, but no one was like, Steve, are you sure you should wear that beret?
Yeah, I like the beret. The beret stays. There's no one who could tell him no. And the reason why bill is because he's fucking cranking out hits right now.
He is cranking out number one movies every single time. And it's like he can't tell him no, because everything he says is turning the gold. It's the fourth of the cigar movies and we have not done above the law yet. It's looming.
Sure. It's not like we're not going to do above the law, but that was the first one. And we told this story in the previous cigar pod said he was a martial arts instructor from like Ovets. He was the most famous agent in Hollywood.
And he somehow decided you should be in a movie. Stalone, Schwarzenegger, all these guys were super duper expensive. It's like, what if we could just create our own version of those guys, which somehow they did. So he makes above the law in 88 successful hard to kill in 90 Mason storm.
Successful. Also that was that the one where we have the intimacy coordinate. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
He goes way over the line in that movie with an actress we've never heard from since. Cause she's probably had it. So it's a just a series of ideas. So he does Mark for death.
Yep. Probably the weakest of these first five. One movie in America, Bill. Number one again, him and screw face.
It's all hits. Hard to kill Mark for death, both 90 and at that point, they're like, what's next, Steve? Yeah. You know what's next for me?
I'm fascinated by the Godfather, Italians, Brooklyn. I was a big welcome back, Connor fan, once upon a time. I would like to play Gino Torino and go into that world. And if I can wear a beret and look like Curtis Lee, one in the Guardian Angels bonus.
And also nobody can land a punch at me for my four straight movie ever, ever. And understand this movie, what you just described, stupid shit, you just laid out. Number one movie in America, two weeks in a row. And let's remember the context of 91.
This is a year we're doing sounds and lambs, Terminator two, point break, home alone, city slicker, just bangers. Like cinema is massive. And for two straight weeks until it was knocked out by Ninja Turtles, this was the number one movie in the world. And it started in Brooklyn with Gino Follino and it's people liked it.
People can't, the critics fucking hated it. We'll get into it. But people were paying money to see this guy. And I was one of them.
Fourteen million dollar budget made 39.6 million and then was on cable for the next, I would say 20 years straight. So probably even more than that. And as you said, the critics hated it. They hated Seagal.
There, this was already, there's pieces. I think he's hosting SNL right around this time where he became the most reviled host in SNL history. The arrogance that he has during this movie is you can't believe it. You can't believe it.
Cobra, it's funny because I really thought we picked a Cobra, but we just didn't. He just adopts a dog randomly during the movie. He goes into a pool of artifacts, 15 guys. Nobody lands a punch on him.
He's divorced, but then seemingly just gets his wife back over the course of 60 seconds. She says one nice thing to him when he goes, we talk and reconciliation over here. And then they're back together. And also like a slow thing with Cobra, he has a lot of skins on the wall slide.
He's done all the rocky and he's done. Rambo is like, I'm going to do this crazy thing. Seagal's first acting experience was above the law. Never any little cameo, never some sitcom walk on.
He had never done anything until he was the star of a movie. It's almost unheard of. So he plays Nico Disconny and above the law. His first foray into pretending he was Italian, but he's just not Italian.
Then he's Mason Storm, great name. He plays Hatcher and Mark for death. Hatcher. And he just couldn't get the Italian out of his system and he had to be Geno Philino.
Like, first of all, did he come up with that? Was there a spitball session? Did he like the name Geno? Is he a Papa Geno's guy?
How do we even get to that point and why did they think it should rhyme? It's a great question. Geno Toretta was, I think, big at the time. The Miami-Hercan's quarterback, I think that could have been an inspiration.
Why not just name him Geno Toretta? Fine. Geno Toretta would have been a better name. The thing with Geno Philino is it's a fictional character.
You can name him anything you want. You're not married to the name. Of all the options they picked, they went with Geno Philino. And the Italian thing is so fun in this because as we've talked about, we've seen Seagal as like, he's Italian here.
We've seen him as Japanese. We're going to see him as Native American. He's Russian now. We're doing that too and under the ground.
We're doing that. And I think in 2025, he's Russian. I think at one point he was also black. So he's done it all.
Like they say Daniel Day is the chameleon, but Seagal will play any ethnicity or race ever and he's playing the shit out of the Italian here. It's so turned up, it's out of control. One of the fun things about how we watch this movie is he really Italians it up for the first 15 minutes. It's like he was in acting class or he was practicing it in front of a mirror.
So when this movie kicks up, he's like this. He's like this. And then about the 45 minute mark, he starts sounding more like Seagal. It's so true.
With like a little and he just he never lands on what the accent should be. But that first 15 minutes where he's basically singing his dialogue. He's like, I got brand new to fucking you. Why are you doing this?
It reminds me of the costner of Prince of Thieves, where occasionally he'll just do a scene in British for some reason. But when Seagal is doing it, he's like his acting coach is like Steve. Try to be the most Italian person who ever lived. It's like Roberto Benini meets Chef Boyardee, like super Mario.
Like it's me, a Gino. Hey, it's so much. Take it easy, Steve, but he doesn't see my theory in this is he watched the first Godfather movie ends of the Baker when he got he we see him in the beginning. Or not ends of the florist, whatever he was.
And then he comes in later when the Godfathers been shot. And Michael Corleone is trying to figure out why there's no guards for his dad. And he's like, it's me. It's him.
So he just has that Italian thing. And I think Seagal is like, I think that's the accent. I know. And they go.
So they go. Brooklyn has an accent this crazy, like nobody. And what's funny is in the research, William Forsyth, who's great in this movie, he's the bad guy. Richie, Suggal at one point gives him pointers.
He's like, I think that you're Brooklyn accent. I think it needs some work here in my thoughts. And Forsyth's like, my accent, Forsyth was from Brooklyn. It was actually how we talk.
And he was like, you're giving me pointers at a Brooklyn accent. But that's how reviled Seagal was. He has so much power and sway that one of the stories in the research that's too good to wait for half. I love the stuff.
He he feels like Forsyth is stealing the movie from him. And one of the reasons this movie is only an hour 27 is because there's multiple Forsyth scenes cut because Seagal saw some cut of it and was like, I think we need to tone down Forsyth. Because he's too good. I think I think he's dialing it up too much.
Like basically, like, but basically so Forsyth has multiple scenes and you can see it in the trailer and in the commercials. There's extra scenes that they just, they just cut. So can you, I'm trying to think of a comp. Can you imagine they're shooting the dark night?
And bail goes to Nolan is like, stealing the movie Chris, you got to cut his scenes. It's a bloody Batman movie, not Joker. Because he was so insecure because Ledger was stealing the movie. And that is a perfect Seagal anecdote.
This guy that we found to play the villain in my stupid movie is killing it. So from Brooklyn. And it's from Brooklyn. So now I'm insecure and he's going to make fun of my accent, get him out.
And yet he's the best part of the movie, which is amazing. I've tried to do this with old rewatchables episodes. I talked to Craig. I was like, we've got to cut out like 20 minutes of Risillo in the town.
Just cut out a lot of his best parts. He's upstaging me. Like, I can't imagine what kind of ego you would have to have to, instead of thinking the villain in this movie is so good, it will make the movie much better. To Seagal immediately being threatened by it.
It was like, we got some of these guys seen. Listen, it's a classic, classic trend. Let's not listen. How badly did Tom Brady want Jimmy Garoppolo off the Patriots?
Let's call it what it is. It's this guy is good. He's probably better looking than me. He's younger than me getting the fuck out of here.
And he was gone and never heard from England again. That's the kind of happens. So Forsyth, and you can feel it the more you watch this movie, because there's a 25 minute stretch where Seagal is like, is anyone seen Richie? But we don't have we're missing like two Forsythines.
And every time it goes to Forsyth, it's like, I couldn't be more interested. This guy's a fucking crack cocaine homicidal maniac. When he kills that lady in the car, that's clearly I'll do an award now. That's clearly the OK.
That's like, whoa, he just fucking killed this poor lady who's just trying to make a right. OK, I'm sorry about that. And then we don't see him for 20 minutes. So this is the first R-rated movie I ever saw in the theater.
I was 12 years old and I went with my dad. And so he kills Bobby and that sucks. And it's really intense. And I'd seen shit like that before.
Two seconds later, when he drags that soccer mom out of the station wagon and blows her head off, I was so disturbed and so scared. And to this day, it's really fucked up to watch. But it's the most important part of the movie. Because for the rest of the movie, you're terrified of Richie because he's a psychopath.
And he doesn't care what happens to him. That that's a classic OK, motherfucker. This that's less, you know, this isn't some bullshit marked for death. This is not hard to kill.
This is not for justice. And we're breaking the rules here. That's why this movie is amazing. It's gritty as shit.
Let's not forget Bill, the opening frames of the movie are a man beating the shit out of a pregnant woman. Well, it's a guy watches like it is really, really dark and on the edge. It's not I'm out of a coma and I have a fake mustache, you know. These are all great points.
I almost have nothing to add. I do want to I do want to do a little extra on Siegel, though, because I was trying to think there in this one, especially to watch this movie twice in three days is like a real sickness. You can say it's for your job. I could have watched it once and tried to cut corners.
And I was like, I want to kind of watch this the second time. I don't know what this says about me as a human being. And I don't really feel this way anymore with a lot of people because I think our culture is so self-aware now of at all times. We're just constantly self-aware with with very few exceptions, like standing behind me is not self-aware, but just just just just just talk for three hours during a basketball game.
And he's just not aware that we might maybe maybe tone it back and then. Which one self-aware? I feel like Jeff is self-aware. Stan doesn't seem to be self-aware.
Now, regardless, we had this air of 80s, 90s where you have all these stars who were just not self-aware. That's kind of my unintentional comedy sweet spot. I know. I know.
I love it the most. I always thought like one of the things with Arnold, he was always aware. Smart. He was always like, this is how I perceived.
This is what I'm going to dole out. I always felt like this was one of the most interesting things about Mike Tyson, who was a maniac. But I always felt like he understood how he was being perceived. And then you take Stallone, who loses his mind because he comes too famous.
And then over here is Segal, who is such an eagle maniac without the same kind of success. But has no idea that he's a maniac. And that scene, I put it on the rewatchable's Twitter feed when he's just walking through. Do anyone see Richie and the camera's coming close to him?
And I don't know how you don't do a second take of that. It's like, this is two over the top, Steve. You just come off like a huge douchebag. Like, you're the star of the movie.
You're sure you want to do this. And he's just like, no, run it. I really like it. I like the way that camera looks.
I think you're onto something about this movie so fun. I think this is when Segal landed on self-awareness. If you ramp up movies, this is a full Segal movie where he's in almost every scene. He's very serious.
And I think like, Schwarzenegger was literally a politician. Like, he became the governor because he was tactical and smart. Segal was the martial arts guy who stumbled into a movie career. And I think now is when he's like, I'm a star, every shot needs to be about me.
The SNL thing we've talked about a lot, and it's so amazing. The Odin Kirk tells this story about Segal that is so perfect. And Bob Odin Kirk's writing at the time. And he's writing a Hans and Franz sketch.
Hans and Franz, huge deal at the time. Segal's going to be in it. He presents it to Segal. And Segal says, if I do the sketch, if I have to beat up Hans and Franz at the end of it.
And that's Steven Segal. It's these two morons and stuff sweatsuits and he's Dan Carving Kevin Neal. But he's like, I won't do the sketch unless at the end of it, I beat them up. And I know we're going to talk about how Segal doesn't take hits in these movies.
It's all intentional. It's all part of his plan that like I always win. And it's just insecurity and ego. And this movie is the apex of it, I think.
By the way, that's one of the things it's not just about movies, even like in podcasting, you have to be able to sell other people and you win if the episodes go to the podcast is good. And the people that don't understand that usually have bad podcasts or podcast. You don't know what we want to listen to or go on. Segal, it's a zero sum game.
So the foresight thing is so funny because he's threatened because foresight might upstage him. Now, he's not thinking about this. It's actually great for my movie. But it's the same thing with the fights.
He's the only action star out of all of these movies, really ever, that is never threatened. The way he basically approaches his career as an action movie star is like Goldberg and the WCW or Ultimate Warrior. Where it's I come out, the crowd goes nuts, I close line somebody a couple of times, they sell everything I do. And then I pin them and I never even take a punch.
And he thought that was his career. He won that hit some of the stick with a pull cue. And the 15 people. So one time he takes a hit.
I know. But I don't know why, but why wouldn't he think like it's actually better for the fight scenes? Maybe if it looks like I'm in trouble a couple of times. He's like, I never want to be in trouble.
It's a sign of weakness. Especially since there is a money making number one movie in the world template right now, Arnold, slide and damn, get these shit kicked out of them and they're drooling bloody pulps. And then they make a comeback. So, Gal said, no, no, no, I'm not going to do that.
And it's like when you don't have any risk of being hurt, like what is the stakes? There's and I can bring this up now, Bill, because now that you've done the Star Wars were watchables, you're like one of you, like one of ours, like a friend of ours, instead of a friend of mine. He really won me over. I'm almost thinking about Empire.
Dude, but maybe dive into that pretty soon. We can do a side podcast. I would do a podcast about the Star Wars. I was so proud of you guys.
I was such a triumph. And it had my favorite thing that happens in the rewatchables universe is when you take fantasy to a part where he's just kind of too uncomfortable and is looking to move past the topic. When you were talking about Chewbacca's balls and shitting and fantasies, like, Oh, let's move on. I was like, no, stay with this.
I want to talk about Chewbacca taking shit on the Falcon. There's no droids that would be in the prequels. And he says to them, yeah, the Jedi's will cut through these like butter. And all the fans are like, that's not an enemy.
If the Jedi's can beat them with zero resistance, there's no stakes and Siegel kind of has that. He won't even so much as take a punch and then make a comeback. His face is clean after fighting 15 guys. That's him.
So do you think Chewbacca had an asshole or no? Not only do I think he had one, Bill, it's a great question. I think Chewbacca took disgusting, huge, wookiee shits. And I'll tell you that because Chewbacca's the neater, because in episode six, return of the Jedi, he falls into a trap that the Ewok set where there's meat hanging, he grabs it, they get in the net.
And then Han Solo says, always thinking with your stomach. So Chui likes to eat. And I bet he has destroyed the Millennium Falcon laboratory before. So yes, I think he has all that stuff.
And it's a disgusting wookiee dump that he takes. Yeah. Listen. You're gonna eat.
If you're gonna eat human food, it's sometimes to leave your body at some point. It's just a lot of digestion. Couple more Steven Seagal things. I love this.
Well, it's just, if you're just talking about like just small pieces, little bread crumbs that he spreads through the movie. At one point he says, Ma don't, Ma don't. Which is usually the Italian say, Ma don't. Like he mangles that, but feels like he had to do it because he's Italian.
There's a baseball dad moment. Oh, come on. Come on. That's the most disappointing non-films scene, I think of the 90s.
He's got the glove. He's holding it. He's holding it. I don't know what his arms do him, but it's not kind of how you hold it.
Damn it, Bill. You stole my flex category. All right. Oh, do it.
Craig, do it now. Come on, Zoom. Just join us right now. Okay, my flex category is the Tom Cruise Award for the most valiant attempt to emulate a normal human.
And it's a call acting like he knows how to play catch with his son, which includes the quote when his son walks out. You got the mitt. I got the ball. You got the bat.
Let's go. So I had the Ed Norton Reverse Nunk Award for did this movie need to have a random sports scene crammed into it? I know. Just take us to the park.
I know. Why does the son have a bat? Who plays catch with an eight year old? Where it's like, yeah, take some cuts.
Like, he hit grounders to him? I don't know. They have a baseball. He's just going to be pelting line drives with the crowds.
I wanted to see Seagal Kyle. I wanted to see him throw a baseball so badly that I didn't see this movie in a couple of years. And when you got the glove, I was like, I can't remember to see have a catch. I was like, I was out of my mind.
I wonder if you guys have seen every single movie. Does he play sports in any movie? Ever. No, no, martial arts.
Yes, he plays the sport of martial arts, Craig. And listen, the real shame of the murder of Bobby Lupo was not that he was killed in front of his wife and kids is that it just interrupted us getting to see Stephen Frederick's the gall throw of baseball. I have a feeling that Seagal would have made Tom Cruise look like Pedro Martinez. Like, we needed to see that shit.
So bad. You don't go and hit grounders with your son with one baseball. You got to bring a bucket. It's ridiculous.
You know, at least 10 baseball. And the I tin, like the the listing of items that you hit on Craig. It's so you've never done this before. Let's see, baseball, bat, ball, glove.
I had this on Instagram. Bring your bat, Bobby. Yeah, you got a bat. I got a ball.
It's baseball. My unanswerable question was, has Stephen Seagal ever in his life ever held a baseball in his hand? Let alone thrown one. And I don't know what the answer.
I think it made me know. I love where we just throw it away all the categories. One of my in answerable questions is, with the greatest scene of the 90s have been, there was a cop softball game, like at the five minute mark. And Seagal's playing short, but he's wearing his beret.
He's sleeping with outfit. And he has a ponytail at the back of his little beret. Yeah, it's basically the crew is a few good men, but it's Seagal and Bobby's on the team and a bunch of the cops and Seagal, of course, would have to hit the game winning Grand Slam. Of course.
And I think they're going to be a lot of time. And they're going to be a lot of time. Badabada, badabada. Hey, but he's pitching.
Yeah, he's pitching. He's doing like this crazy underhand thing, where they have to cut to the stuntman throwing the ball. Like it would have been the greatest six minutes of that. Well, how about when he hits one in the gap and he's running around the bases, he's running second, and he's sliding into home, and they're sending Seagal.
He's got the baseball. You got the ball. You got the bat. Let's go.
The glove's too small. He looks like he's in the 1920s playing with like Roger Sornsby. Like, immediately he should have been like, I need a bigger glove. This glove's too small.
I can barely fit my hand in it, but he's never touched the baseball glove. So he doesn't know. No, he's got Schulich, Joe's glove, and they're walking out to have a catch. And it's the whole scene.
He's like, you finish your homework? No. Who cares? Let's go play catch.
Come on. And he doesn't know what he's doing. His dad never played catch with him. It's such a great call, Craig.
It doesn't have kids yet. He will at some point. I have over under for, I'm going to say two and a half kids over under for Craig. I would also bet the alt three and a half of Fandol for plus one 50.
I think you have inside. Yeah, I bet the alt. But when you have kids, they have this scene before they play baseball. What's the kid's name, Bobby?
Tony. Tony. Tony walks by Seagal. He's like, oh, let's go get your stuff.
And then he just kicks him in the ass. Did you notice that? Yep. I've never in a million years would just kick my son in the ass as they walk by me.
It's like Seagal had never been around a little kid before. It's like, well, how do I even react? Do I maybe I'll kick him in the ass? By the way, Bill, he only sees his son one weekend out of the month per his agreement.
Yeah, because he kicks him. Yeah, maybe that's why the court's decided. You know, he's abusive. It wasn't because he's wrapped up in his job.
It's because he actually kicks the child. And that actually kicked him on one weekend. That's a great call. I promise you, if you've ever had a little boy, if you kick your little boy in the ass as he walks by you, he would stop and immediately come back with fists.
Because that's when little kids have that superpower, they'll punch you right in the balls. Like they'll, they're ready to go. They know. They just want to fight.
So I don't know. It's a great shame. If we could have never mind the Norton dunk, like Norton would have been Dominique Wilkins. Like if we could have seen Seagal make one throw with a baseball, it's all we needed.
We didn't get it. So the sports movie consultant consultancy group that I've always wanted to start, I'd like to cross that with if we had a time machine, and we could take that back into the late 80s, early 90s, and we were on this set, we would talk them into a softball game. I would actually want two scenes. And then like with Seagal never had like a basketball scene, right?
No. That would be another one. That would be amazing. It got the size.
Yeah. The closest thing is he's beating people with a baseball bat. But I don't count that. I would want to be in the out for justice universe and take the bullet for Bobby, just so they can go and have the game.
So Ben, tell me how it was guys. I'll dive in front of it. I want this game. Seagal, top five celebrity.
All time you would have wanted to see shoot hoops. Number one. 40 seconds. Yeah.
Well, I saw Peter Schrager firing some shots on some set this week. I got a say, his jumps out looks so good that Joe House texted me randomly and said, did you see Schrager's jump shot? It's a really nice jump shot. Peter is varsity basketball in high school.
Peter knows what he's doing. And he just asked him. He'll tell you, he can play. I think he would have been a huge favorite against Seagal.
OK. We're going to take a break. No, we're going to take a break. And then we're going to do more about this movie.
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All right, come back. We could talk about Segal all day. We got to talk about our guy, Billy Forsyth, who completely upstages Segal, who was way in this movie, probably 20 extra minutes. And then Segal complained.
But this movie apparently had more plot, more characters, and was like a two plus hour writer director of this guy, John Flynn, who wrote Rolling Thunder, a 11 movie for Sean Chris. He directed Best Hour. He directed Lock Up, a movie that we're probably going to do in the rewatchables, one of the great sports scenes in a non-sports movie. And I feel like this was, he was thinking this could be like a discount, Godfather III type like, I'm going to dive into Brooklyn and Italian culture and people who grew up together and one guy's on the wrong side of the track, someone guy's on the right, and then it somehow turns into a Segal movie.
And I don't know what else happened, but I know this. There's two montage seasons in this movie. And the reason they have them is because at some point Warner Brothers decided, you got to go under 90 minutes because the head of Warner Brothers Craig Corlebeck was like, I don't want everyone to sit in the movie theater for more 90 minutes. So they either cut movies or cut scenes or made montage scenes.
And that's why we have those two montage scenes. And that's why there's all this William Forsyth footage where it's like, boy, that would have been cool to see. I would have liked to have seen that. And that's the answer.
There's actually a scene that's in the montage, which is William Forsyth killing John Leguizamo. And it's like, shit, that's a scene in the movie. Can we watch that? No, it's five seconds you barely see Leguizamo's face.
But as we've talked about, I don't want to see the two hour, 11 minute version of this. I really don't. It's awesome how it is. I like the montages.
I wish they do more montages now. I just saw the mission of possible movie. It was great. Could have used the montages like this one.
They clean things up quickly and we get in and get out. I like them. You went in and gone two hours and 50 minutes for the new mission of possible movie if you were in charge? No.
And I saw that in the theater. Like it was the 20 years ago. And like the first hour is slow. First hour.
And then it gets cooking. But yeah, I could have used a few montages in the first hour. Well, this movie's half as long as the mission of possible movie. Forsyth, I mean, he had a big role early in his career, Dick Tracy, before this movie.
And then kind of eventually settled into, he was on cable a lot. He was usually a bad guy. It never 100% happened for him. And I honestly think this is the best he's ever been in a movie.
He's unbelievable. He's terrifying. He's scary. He's totally bought in.
And you know this because if you see an interview with William Forsyth, he's like a nice and nerdy guy. There's no Richie about him. I love my Forsyth. He's great scene in the rock in the interrogation room with Sean Connery when he throws him the quarter.
And then he's a super badass in that. He had a cool, violent butcher in the Boardwalk Empire Show on HBO. But classic character actor and I've seen interviews with him where people build to this day, 30 years later, when he's at the grocery store. Someone walk out and go, hey, Richie!
Yeah, people know he's Richie. And if I saw Forsyth, I'd be like, hey, it's Richie. I know. I have to do it.
You would definitely get the picture and then do the Instagram post. But does anyone see Richie, oh wait, I did, or whatever. I would go up to him and say, Richie, why did you do Bobby Lupo? I'll be an asshole.
What? Why did he do Bobby Lupo? I watched the movie twice. I still don't 100% have any.
I just think they were having sex with the same woman. It's not clear, though. And who cares? Well, there were definitely some scenes missing.
So on the, what do I have here? Oh, John Flynn, we did. We did the budget. And then the only other thing is it's disappointing.
Honestly, it hurts. Ebert didn't review this. Didn't even review it. Didn't review it.
They did some, they did some, some Cisco and Ebert TV show. And you're not going to believe it, but he wasn't a huge fan. Two thumbs down. Just, I think he was pretty done with Segal at this point.
Number one movie, Raj. Sorry, the people like me. Listen, this wasn't Raj's cup of tea. So that's where we go.
All right, most rewatchable scene. Yeah. You mentioned the opening credits where the movie is just clearly saying right away, we're going for a ride. Look, it's ridiculous.
It's like the stereotypical 1970s pimp getting a little frisky with a hooker and then Segal has to come in and literally beat the hell out of him. But it ends with him flipping the guy over into a car. And then you see from the car angle, a shot of Segal peeking in. And it frees frames with the credits, Steven Segal.
It is the most 80s, 90s moment of the movie. I got to say, it's amazing. It's one of the better opening credits things that I can give me so I can remember. You know, it's not my best.
You laugh. You say fuck yeah. And it's like the pimps red socks are in the frame. And there's just Segal freeze frame.
Let's go. I want to watch it again right now. It's my great, great job, Gordo. We can do that to that topic right now too, because it's the best shot in the movie.
It makes me so happy. No question. Next one I have is it's the barrese scene. It's Gino sees Bobby's body.
He tells Sarge he's going to hunt the killers down. And he's doing everything as Enzo in the godfather one. I'm going to hunt him down. It's going to be fine.
It's just the regard that he's held by the rest of the police force because we see this in 80s movies where it's like, you think you're bigger than the force. You think you're bigger than your badge. You're not playing by the rules. Everybody in this movie is like, Gino's got it.
He doesn't play by the rules. Let's let him cook. There's one comic of black and white that comes over and gives him a shotgun. He's like, go get him, Gino.
And I got him. He's on Gino's team. It's so fun. It's just like, no rules apply to Gino.
Don't worry about him. We don't have the everyone in these movies has the cop who's on the other side. He was like, I'm watching you, Gino. Yeah, yeah.
This time you're going to have to play by the rules or I'm going to come get you by self. We don't have that guy. You have Jerry Orbach, the venerable Tony award winning the Fespian being like, I don't know, Gino. Maybe you stay out of this one.
He's like, fuck that. Give me the shotgun. All right. Yeah.
It's so great. I love that character. It would have been funny if Jerry Orbach is like, Gino, you've carplanched to do it every month. But the beret.
I got a draw on it. It's just weird. I just don't. Why are you doing it?
You know, the guys are talking about the beret. It's making everybody uncomfortable. They don't understand. I don't want your piece and shield, but give me the beret.
The guardian angels aren't even cool anymore. Gino, like just stop. The funny thing is, before that scene even starts, how hilarious is it that this movie starts with a dead serious Arthur Miller quote? I forgot to mention that.
I had that for the top. It's such a great jarring way to start this movie. I'm so glad you mentioned that. It starts with an Arthur Miller quote.
And within two and a half minutes, Segal was beating up a pimp. Do you think what Arthur Miller was writing down to the salesman? He's like, someday, Gino, Felina will kill Richie with a corkscrew. I actually heard Arthur Miller did a treatment of the script.
And he's like, no, no, no. You need Richie to kill a guy who's up here in Polygic who hasn't had any push since 1969. We got to get that guy in there. All right.
You're the goat. Unbelievable. Well, to the stranger's eye, one street was no different from one another. We all knew where our neighborhood somehow ended.
Beyond that, a person was a stranger. And then it says, Arthur Miller, play right, raised in Brooklyn. This movie has high ambitions for 10 seconds. And then it goes straight down.
I had a lot of Miller was like, he's just in the movie theater. He's a cigar guy. And he's like, wait, what the fuck? Why am I being quoted in this?
You wanted this about because you're right. 10 seconds later, there's a pimp beating up a pregnant woman. Also, we have once this entire movie is about Gino and Bobby's friendship and the revenge. We get one scene with Gino and Bobby, and it is the worst scene in the movie.
It's two people that act like they have never spoken to each other before. And Gino's like, hey, Bobby, you kind of seen him off. No, I'm fine. Gino, absolutely.
It's like you're talking to someone in a dentist's office. That's like the Gino and Bobby guys, can we get one more take award? Because it's so, so stiff and bad. And that's what he's doing.
Well, it's also funny that Gino would notice anything about another human being. He's like the most conceited, self-serving guy. He's like, oh man, Bobby, you didn't even know Bobby's sitting next to you in that scene with the beret. At some point, for some reason, his soon-to-be ex-wife is in the scene.
She shows up. To check in on Bobby's ex-wife. And then they have a weird exchange in Chicago. It goes, don't worry, Vic.