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That's 1800 by Dell. Hello, it is Friday, October 4, 2019. Co-host Matt Hasselbeck today. We dive into everything and Friday bangers.
When I say this, I mean this or some incredible stories from a lot of Matt's past and also Joe Flacko makes an appearance. Are you kidding me, by the way? Big get, incredible. Joe Flacko makes an appearance on today's show.
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We don't always put out a year's doing. Today's a good one though. Let's get to it. Matt, I might look like I'm talking like this, but I'm talking to you.
I'm looking at my homes. No, look. Look, look, look. You cheated because you didn't know look left through right as opposed to look right through left.
Just something to talk about. That's not true. Rex is the actually the only person that didn't hit a target that day. By the way, impressive throws by the countdown crew.
So Adam Shefter was actually aiming for the second plate and hit the third plate. But I do that in pool. Like I just swing and whatever pocket it goes and it doesn't count them. Yeah, to me, you don't come into my pool and do that bullshit where you're knocking balls into holes.
That doesn't mean that's me. That's me. Well, that was the thing in the know look pass. It was just kind of like whatever.
It was a great throw. But you didn't pick it up on camera, really stuff. Yeah, they get a lot of promo there. But But Shefter is so blind, like he can't see without his glasses that even if he was staring at the targets, there's no chance he could see 20 yards away.
Like no chance. Is that how far it was 20 yards out? Who's far? It's pretty far.
When I said this, I mean, this year's well, good. I had a little zip on it. A little home to it. Okay.
It was early in the morning too. Why don't you go play quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings? It seems like they got a guy that everybody hates. I don't like the same.
I'm just telling you what is happening. Can I tell you because you have been so deep in this ECU temple game? I have been. I don't know what's going on in the outside world.
Well, it's like a two I go hibernate for two days for this college thing. I come out of it and then I get back on track with NFL and I'm very thankful you do that because I'm the complete opposite. I don't even peek at the ECU temple game. I am so surrounded by everything else happening in the world.
And the Minnesota Vikings, just a small little team in the middle of America is garnering a lot of headlines due to the drama that is happening around their team. Stefan Digg just yesterday at a press conference that said there is something to the rumors that he has to be traded, but he's not going to speak on that. You just did. You literally just, he's just going to go down to say this.
You just spoke on it. And we, in real time on the show yesterday, figured out that the reason why Stefan Digg is upset is because Kirk Cousins is on the Kirk Cousins show, which we are avid listeners. Yeah, big fans. We love the Kirk Cousins show.
It's on the Minister of Vikings.com website. He talked about how Adam Thelin is like the best player. He's the best wide receivers. He's one of the best players in the league.
He asked him the ball more he apologized Adam Thelin because after the game Adam Thelin had their emotional response. We had to be able to throw the ball. He said it wasn't a shot of Kirk Cousins. It was a broad sense.
Whatever the case is Stefan Digg's listened to the Kirk Cousins show just like we did and was like wait a minute. This guy's talking about Adam Thelin being the best player on team. Donning saying to me he ain't throwing shit to me either. So now he skips practice on Wednesday.
Then Thursday comes back and says yeah there's something we want to be traded. This is a wild situation then. I have never, I don't think I've ever been around. I'm not sure if you have been around a long time.
People just not showing up to work is an insane thought to me. That is a new thing. It is. It really is a new thing.
And it sounds like Stefan Digg's is not backing off of it either. Like in that best conference he wasn't like yeah I'm sorry to come yesterday. Trade rooms are all I was like yeah there's something to it. I'm just not gonna talk about it.
So he's like building it up even more. That Vikings team and it all surrounds around. You like that guy. Right?
More than that though. Like if you're a wide receiver Mike Zimmer was a week one. How many passes did Kirk Cousins even attempt? Was it like 10?
Can somebody fact check that 12? He was 10 for 12. What are you're 10 for 12? So if you're a wide receiver and you're they got good wide receivers Stefan Digg's too.
Right and Stefan Digg's and Adam Thelin are two of the best receivers in my mind. They're very good receivers. They've got good tight ends and your head coach is a defensive head coach and he's saying we don't want to throw the ball. And in week one you've been working all off season to have this great year and you got the big money quarterback that can put up yards he's proven that year after year after year.
What what he's put up like 4,000 yards. How many years in a row? Like four years in a row? Who Kirk Cousins check the facts?
No. Yep. He's completed passes in the NFL. So listen.
2015 2018 4000 plus thank you. Thank you. But you have a head coach. Well what happened?
So listen here's what happened. Two years ago three years ago they were good. Mike Zimmer they good offensive line play right? Yes.
I'm gonna screw this up okay because the years are running the against the posses on top of me. I'm a journalist. Basically it's this Mike Zimmer knows that the pass protection is key. His defense and pass protection is key.
You can't get a sack on a running play. So he's like listen we want to run the ball. I want to throw it 12 times a game. Last year in the middle of the season they went up to Monday night football and played the Seattle Seahawks.
I raised the 12th man flag. Oh that was cool. That was cool. That was cool.
That was cool. That was good beast of content. That might be why the Seahawks defense played him so well. Yeah.
Yeah. People are saying people are saying people are saying people are saying. People are saying what happened was the offensive coordinator John D. Philippo called the game like a normal NFL game a little pass a little run.
Mike Zimmer said no. I told you to run the ball. I fire you. He fired his offensive coordinator the next day.
Tuesday. Fired him. Fired gone. Because I said run the ball.
So the new offensive coordinator. This is a lot deeper than I thought. This guy Kevin Stavansky. Another young bright offensive mind.
Great in the passing game. He's like listen you're the offense coordinator interim and you can be the offense coordinator next year too if you buy into my plan which is run the ball. So what's he do week one. Her cousin throws 12 passes.
Can pleats 10 of them. If you're a wide receiver on that team that's been working hard all year all offseason. Stefan Diggs Adam Thielen. You're frustrated and you won the game fine so like you're not going to say anything.
So the frustration is there. You're not going to say anything. But now all of a sudden you're losing games. You lost to Chicago badly.
And they just were like you know what I think that stems from it and what you're mentioning to me too. There's a there's a there's something to massaging and sort of like finessing what your words are publicly like on a radio show. Yes very good. I think her cousins has been very honest and very self-deprecating.
I like the accountability where you apologize about it. But the challenge is at some point you can overdo it and offend somebody else by accident. Which is what I think happened. And I have done that also right.
I have done that by accident. I got kind of sold out by a by a tv announcer. They asked me one year. They said okay it's third down.
Who do you know who you going to in a critical moment. This was the announcer's for the practice. In our production meetings. Right.
Which by the way I didn't know happened to happen on every game. That's crazy to me. I played in NFL for eight years. I had no idea they happened.
So they you know so they'll invite guys in. And so in this case it's a former quarterback that's calling the game. And he says all right hey it's third and seven who you going to in a critical situation. Games on the line.
And I had a guy that I had played with a a long time in Bobby Ingram. He's now coaching tight ends with football for the more rapists. And we had a bunch of other guys that were good players but they were new to our team. And I said to him again this was a mistake on my part.
I said oh I'm looking for Bobby Ingram. I go he's my first choice my second choice and my third choice. Well of course I over did it there. I over did it there.
I was trying to throw a bone to a guy that had been on our team that was shorter. Maybe slower than the guys he was competing with. That I felt the scouts in the GM. They were trying to replace.
They're trying to kick a out with the old regime in with the new guys that are like taller, faster, better at the combine. But this is a football player. This is Bobby Ingram. This is my guy.
And so when I said that this tv announcer used it in the broadcast. He goes oh when I asked Hausselbeck yesterday who he's looking for in a critical down on third down. He's looking for Bobby Ingram. One, two, and three.
So now the other receivers they're upset. And they should be upset. And because it wasn't really true. I was just really trying to be complimentary towards Bobby Ingram.
And in the process I offended really good players. And I forget who it was that year but it could have been guys like Nate Burlson, Joe Jarovicious, guys are very good players. And for sure they just weren't newer to our team. But yeah they could be upsetting to hear especially when they were here for their third party.
Yeah and I and so I learned that lesson the hard way. Like I screwed up. I screwed up. I didn't really feel that way.
I was trying to throw a compliment to one guy and by accident I did somebody else. And so to you just hearing that for the first time what you're telling me Kirk Cousins how he apologized to Adam Thelin what he said Adam Thelin. Stefan Diggs is a very good receiver. And it wouldn't surprise me if that was like really dude.
Well and compounded with your team as a philosophy to not throw the ball in your wide receiver. And I think it's close with that. And that's the bigger thing. The fact that Mike Zimmer is this defensive head coach that has a mindset for how he wants to do it out.
And he has the right to do that. He's the head football coach. But you've got a lot of money in high draft picks tied up in you know tight end wide receiver quarterback. And so it's just an odd pairing to have it what it is.
That's such an interesting thing Kirk will learn from this office. I actually think that Kirk Cousins is a better leader than people realize. I really don't. What is this dude?
What is that aspect? I mean he would know more than I would but Kirk I think Kirk Cousins fucking stinks. He's a little bit he's a green bit back between. But I also watched him play in college too against Iowa.
You know I mean like there I just I don't know. I don't maybe no he fucking stinks. But just go back to go back to the misshlers. Yeah well and he took less money to go to Minnesota.
They were a team the New York Jets. Yeah we saw that a lot more money to be their quarterback and he took less money. Who were the quarterback? Didn't want to get a model.
Nick Foles. Brian Hoyer. Drew Stanton. It was like all NFL quarterbacks at Michigan State.
I don't think that you know he was drafted people sometimes forget he was drafted to the Washington Redskins when RG3 was drafted. Yeah this is why I always need to. This is what I say. He was always like the savior in Washington when RG3 wasn't doing well.
They got her cousins and then he got in and he did okay but they're like I did good for the Redskins. They're a bad organization. He's always got a pass and then when he gets 84 million guarantees there's an expectation it comes. Now granted that's when the pass is out the window.
Once you make a lot of money the criticism is going to go nuclear. But it has to. Yeah. That just comes with the position.
I think the thing for him where he needs to get over the hump is he's got to do he's got to play at the level that he's played for the last four years in big games. Yeah he looks scared. He looks scared but again I think it goes back to head coach philosophy changing coordinators changing teams coaching staff. It's very interesting to me.
We'll get past that because Stefan Diggs did not stop the drama. No escalated. But like he's a good guy. Like I know these guys.
Stefan Diggs is a good guy. I don't feel like I don't feel like I'm feeling great guy but another thing about Adam Feline is that he is like he looks a certain way right so you like almost like have a prejudice towards him like oh well he's going to be this kind of a guy. He's a hot head. Like he's a he's a he's a wide he's an elite wide receiver in every way.
Like he got into that trash talking thing with Bill Belichick. Yes he gets hot outside. He got to be from his in a putt. He yelled at me from his in a putt down the Bahamas.
Oh yeah we were teammates. Me and him took on Del Curry and Chris Paul in a alternate shot situation and Del Curry scratch golfer. Chris Paul was struggling. But every time we thought we had Del Curry and Chris Paul on the on the ropes Del Curry would hit this fucking incredible shot Chris Paul would hit a great shot and there was like a four foot or three foot putt and I just missed it.
You know and I just felt the eyes just looking me from Adam Feline. I was like oh my god this guy just three with 315 yards. He is a great golfer. He is very intense but he is a competitive individual.
That was on me. It was a bad read. I gave you a bad read. I mean my academy was four or five whiskeys.
These are don't over apologize. You're you're you're going to offend somebody. So I have a question for that. You talked about that earlier.
What did you do to kind of make that situation right or did you do anything or how did you find out that you're wrong? I fed those guys the ball. Like when I realized oh my god these guys hate me. No.
No. There's an art again. There's an art to making sure everyone's getting their touches. Like you understand what guys need.
I mean even it when you're I played. Oh is that why Tom Fed A.B. Early? I believe yes exactly.
Guys were open. Guys were open. Philip Dorsett was open. Julian Edelman was open and he was he made a point in that first quarter when A.B.
was on the Patriots to feed him the ball. And I said that was a good idea because you know A.B. his personality. He just wants to be involved if he's not involved.
He's just doing it. He's potentially a nuclear bomb if he's not involved in the Patriots showed why they were smarter than everybody else. Literally the first drive they just threw him four balls boom boom boom. Here we go.
And then for the rest of the game by the way they didn't target him that much. And Tony Brown was but again that goes to the quarterback. He's got the ball in his hands. The play calls weren't any different.
Guys were open and then he was like okay got that done. And there's an art to feed in the ball. I was going to say I played with Jerry Rice at the end of his career. He's an electric interview.
Well still gets but listen. Rice Arunian like knowing him like knowing what he's used to. He needs to get touches. He needs to get the ball in his hands.
It doesn't have to be like downfield throughout. He just needs to get a rhythm in the game and certain guys are that way and you got to know it. And as a quarterback like I would think Stefan Diggs is a similar type player. Adam Feelan is a similar player.
They need to feel involved in the game calling 12 passes completing 10 of them. You add Kyle Rudolph in there too. So that's three very talented. And Steven Humans.
Irv Smith. Irv Smith second round tight end. They get some. So you start doing a math though.
That's only like two potential opportunities to each of them for the entire game. So what point do you shit can't zimmer then because what he is trying to do is completely different than what your organization is doing. And how does that happen by the way between organization and coaching for us. I think they learned the hard way with their offensive line.
It was actually through a tragedy. Tony Sperano was their offensive line coach. Really the only like I would say you know on a coaching staff you put it together and maybe there's like a few guys with offensive line background. A few guys with quarterback background.
Tight end background. The way that staff was set up. I think Tony Sperano was really like the O line guy and then tragically he passed away right before the season started. And it just it shook that team.
Like they didn't I think Tony Sperano is a great leader. Like as a coach he's also a great leader and like that void was evident. And I and you know sometimes when you're looking at it globally you look at the teams like what you want to be your identity as an offense as a team. You want to play ferocious defense and have a good run game.
And I just think that's a good recipe but it's just interesting because you've got more of a cut at least quarterback with wide receivers. Maybe it's not the right fit for that. I'll be trying to see what happens to Vikings. Look like it's all about the boom.
Out there. But this is the true test. This is like the true test of like what kind of leadership and what kind of unselfish play and that kind of stuff. Okay.
Let's go back to what you said about that guy selling you out on TV. Yeah. The um. It was an accidental thing.
And I assume it was a guy as well as a success. I mean I guess but it was a dude. It sounds like it was the enfouts. Well it was a it was a analyst.
So to this day we don't have a lot of female analysts in college or sorry in professional football and that's probably coming. It should be coming. I gotta qualify people that could do that. I agree completely.
I agree completely. But you told me something I think it was last week. Like hey um you said that I didn't do anything but something to remind or remember is protect those production meetings. Like yeah.
The people that tell you stuff. And that's definitely because you got sold out by a guy. Yeah. You said you said something actually.
I heard it but I don't know if it was subtle. You said like one of the coaches said you said something like oh this guy's got a strong leg but this ball could go anywhere. Like I said it from my I said it from my I said it's from my opinion. Your perspective just happened to agree with the coaches perspective.
Yeah. So I was just yeah I was protecting you protecting him. Yeah. But that's a real thing because we learn this stuff in these production meetings and it's like all right what all can we say what can't we say and then because if you lose their trust you're fucked they're never gonna tell you anything again and then they don't do the meetings.
It's a very interesting balance of like what do we want to say. It's really not like I'll just say you know one of the coaches this happens a lot but you know one of the coaches told us basically the first 10 plays told me and two other people the first 10 plays of the game of last night's game of one of the games and we don't you could have that play beat tomorrow night tonight tonight tonight. So I know the place tomorrow. This game tomorrow.
It's a secret. It's amazing. The moral the moral of the story is I know the place. They're going to film a ruski.
I know I know the plays I watched them on film like we don't know if this guy lied though to Matt too. That'll be a test. This is like that's what I'm saying. There is a you know we're kind of in the business of football together as a broadcast crew with the coaching staff.
One team one dream. So it is helpful to hear from them hey okay what are what are you what are you game playing what's your thought what do you see and then we do the same thing like we're honest about what we see you know that kind of thing. Yeah and we're promoting their schools especially these smaller schools. Give us if they're nice with us we're going to be nice with them obviously it helps out a lot.
Yeah but I mean I'm not trying to be nice I mean I'll call it like it is. I was I think I was hard on the Memphis quarterback like in terms of like his his throws he missed some wide open guys perfect play calls and just balls out of it like if the ball was a grenade no one would have gotten hurt on one. This is just great. You know you have to.
Was that line said to you before? That was wasn't it. I don't know if that ball was a grenade nobody would have gotten hurt. What was the butterfly line you dropped?
That was a big one. Oh my god it was a big one. Yeah that was that's a bread-farvism like every time he'd have like a really nice fade throw in the back corner of the end zone with his like Mississippi accent he'd say that ball dropped like a butterfly with sore feet. Is there any more bread-farvism to get that on purpose either.
I didn't do that on purpose either. I didn't know how else to explain it it was just like I've seen that throw before and that was from the Navy quarterback that Navy quarterback had the best first half ever and then he got hurt and how did Vegas know? How did Vegas know that he was gonna get hurt that the Memphis defense the two best players on offense for Navy got hurt and that's really that was the key to the game but I wonder how last night's game went honestly because here we are going into it Vegas thinks it's gonna be 11 I'm thinking I'm thinking potentially more but a couple other games in the past we thought it was gonna be different and they got real tight we've had some good kinds of great game. We have had some good guys here with the pirate because gallbladder is getting a little surgery.
No the mascot's not. Does that move the spread at all. Supposedly dead by one point is the bone yard gonna be less loud. Are you serious right now?
Supposedly the the cartoony one still there but the real pirate will not be there because the gallbladder on top of that. Are you? It was called Bladder Surgeon. Yeah it was gallbladder Surgeon.
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His name is John Young okay and he has the best I'm not overstating this the best mustache in college football. Nah maybe maybe maybe in the world this is what I just saw in the meeting. I was told by I forget who told me somebody told me the mustache was incredible in the punter. Oh the guy was tailgating for a show out here so he's like oh the punter's got incredible mustache so I go in the production meeting I'm like all right I don't know about these things but I've heard this mustache it's fucking awesome and Mac was he shaved it.
I'm like what are you talking about? He had a bad game he had a bad game last week and so I don't know if that's why but he had a bad game and he shaped the mustache. I'm so mad at that kid he better have the biggest game of his life right? It's gonna be hard for me not to bury him.
So Molly so you seen that mustache? Oh boy that's a good one. That thing's incredible. So Molly McGrath who's our great sideline reporter does an amazing job educates us each and every day on stuff.
She says well Pat why don't you go and talk to him pre-game and find out what the reason he shaved the mustache was and Pat what'd you say? I'm a fucking very bad guy. He said what? Basically what you said.
Yeah I'm right. That was like I'm kidding. Yeah you're gonna go reprimand him. Yeah I was like what the fuck are you gonna hit a bad bug and shit fucking eyebrow?
You have that mustache you keep that mustache. That's not just something like I grow as a rally stash or something. What he has on his face is a work of art. Probably took several months to grow.
Hey who's groomed? He just won. He hits a bad ball. Ah fuck it.
It's gone. I'm like come on. He could actually double as the mascot tonight if he still had the mustache. Oh legit?
He looks like the pirate. It's unbelievable. It's one of the best mustaches I've ever seen. He just shaves it off because he hits a bad bug.
Hey bud you're gonna hit a lot more bad bulge. I don't know how to tell you this is gonna happen. This is not right. Hey what's on right DMs and flows?
Okay let's just stay right here pal. That's good advice. It's good advice. It is.
You know what else is good advice? Oh see though. Just caught his first look at the mustache. How nice is that mustache?
That's what I'm saying dude. I had fans out here telling you like the mustache is the best thing. Our team got we're not that great this year. We're not great but the punters mustaches really all we look forward to and I walk in that meeting my second.
Not anymore. They got nothing to look for. That's sad dude. That is very sad.
All right. I think we're done here huh? Sounds good. Do we cover everything we had to cover?
A couple bangers. What song? Oh Nick you can play on Purple Hayes. Hold on out.
Purple Hayes is the song that they're gonna play tonight. Jimi Hendrix. The Stone Yard song. Okay.
Stone Yard is the student section. Brandon McManus is FaceTiming twice. Oh big leg. Big leg number eight.
Great mustache. Denver Broncos. Yeah. Is he FaceTiming you right now?
What up bro? I'm recording a podcast right now. Hey Mr. Lance.
How's it going sir? Hey that's how you as an incredible mustache too. Brandon you should have Joe Flacko. He's like.
Flacko has incredible hair. Can you have him say something we can put him in the episode title too? Hey hold on one second Flacko. Can you say something real loud in this mic so we can say you were a guest on the podcast real quick.
Just saying hi. Say hi real quick. I don't know about that. There it is.
Don't flack out. Guess on the podcast. That's awesome. Thank you for that Joe.
That was very nice to you Brandon McManus and Joe Flacko. Join us. Hey I appreciate it. Alright I got to finish this.
Hey Flacko thanks for being a guest on the show man. I'll see you guys. Matt Hasselbeck and Joe Flacko in the episode. Wow dude.
Are you kidding me? I got to tell you a quick Flacko story. Well he was a guest on the show. He heard from Joe.
It's Friday before his Super Bowl and I'm at the Super Bowl like whatever. I'm with a group of people and we're driving along. It's Friday night and we're kind of in his alley and there's this dude walking and I'm just like he kind of walking like Joe Flacko and I'm like I'm like oh look everybody in the car. I'm like a suburban.
I'm like look it's Joe Flacko and we roll up slow the car driver like the limo driver guy. He's like oh is it Joe Flacko? I'm like it's not Joe Flacko. It's Friday before the Super Bowl.
He's walking down an alley and we pull up it's Joe Flacko. I'm like hey Joe. He's like hey what's up Matt. I'm like do you want a ride?
Yeah I'm like do you want a ride? He's like oh no I'm just walking home just went over to see my wife you know. Where's that in Orleans? Is that in Orleans?
I'm not sure. Yeah. Oh you want you want to you want to know about me running into a quarterback in New Orleans? Do you want to hear about this?
I ran into a quarterback on the streets in Orleans Super Bowl week. Oh do you want to? I'm fucking Jake the Snake. I hate the guy.
What's his name? Jake Palmer you got big dog by Jake Plum. Jake Palmer just punks me on ours. I'm like oh Jake Snake awesome to meet you and he like basically I gave me like a fuck you can't start out with someone's nickname the first time you meet him right?
I don't know that's a great name. Jake the Snake Palmer yeah what are you talking about especially when he's black out of his mind I'm like I thought we're in friendly terms here. Turns out that was not the case. I never thought you would hold getting blacked out against somebody.
The way he acted. You evolved. I was gonna hold it against him. Yeah I'm wondering how he scores all state.
It's an awesome Jake. He's just a dick. I like Jake Plummer. Do you?
Yeah. Well I hate him. You're like that though if you have a bad first impression. Oh it's over.
You're done forever. See you later. Not for now. You could come around on somebody.
There's who somebody you came around on. You didn't like them at all and you came around. I would say Joey. Joey's a weapon.
I was just an easy answer. I don't think it's ever happened. I'm sure it's happened. Nope maybe it's never happened.
I was looking and Nick and I were literally just there. Bob Mack. Bob Mack okay the guy the westward one guy that does the audio for our new studio and stuff. Although he may be back on that.
No no he's just every conversation we had. He was very negative by the way. The most negative human of all time. Like this is what we can't do.
Everything's happening. By the way probably he's probably right. He was a bit undersell guy. Yeah he was just everything was just impossible right by him and he was the guy that's supposed to be putting things together.
So everything was impossible. So I was just sick of it. I'm like I don't need your activity. I'm not in the problems business.
I'm in the solutions business. Alright I don't need that. Me and John Taffer we don't need your negativity. I was like and I told the people I'm like I don't want Bob Mack on any call that I'm on ever again.
If you guys need to run something through him and then he comes back to me and he's like hey we can't do it at school. Because every time I open my mouth this guy is just every immediately shoots down whatever's coming out. I'm like okay I'm gonna do a cold open for marriage. Well I'm fucking doing it pal.
I don't know what to tell you. That's just how it is. So that whole thing happened. So I hated this guy.
Literally I'm never met him only over the phone. A couple phone calls. So he comes out to the office and he worked for 72 hours straight. This guy and I was like you know what?
With that work ethic pal I judged you wrong. I would have let you know I hated you. I think you probably know that but I'm a big fan of yours so I respect you. And so that was in the last couple weeks.
Maybe this is a new me. Yeah. You know what I mean? Maybe this is a new thing.
What about Frank Calliendo? There's another guy. Frank Calliendo. I came around on Frank Calliendo.
He's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Now he is. I think he's very talented. I think he's very funny but he talked to me like I was a 12 year old the first couple times that I interviewed and had my conversation with him.
And I just want to slap the shit out of his head. Are we sure it was him? It was him. A thousand percent.
He needs to be knocked down a peg or ten. He was talking to me like a fine man. A massive show. I mean my show was very big on Sirius.
My podcast was big. It was. It's me now too and we can't even get on a fucking air usually. But it's one of these things where he walked in and just started talking to me like I was a child.
Like he was he thought he was a veteran. Well maybe he was good. Maybe it was good. Maybe it was good.
No. No. No. It was in person.
It was like mission possible. No. It was. And I almost kicked him out of the studio.
Like I literally was almost like, oh but he's so good. He's so talented. So I'm like all right. I like his ability.
When I saw the Antonio Brown, I'm free. And he's on the phone recording John Gruden. I was convinced. He was trying to convince.
He just took a paycheck from maybe. How much? How much for a phone call? 35 grand?
Okay. I got you. So he comes back in though. Frank Allen comes back in the studio and he like shakes my hand or whatever.
And he sits down in the first question I ask him. He starts talking to me like I'm a 12 year old again. And I like basically just told him I'm like this is not gonna happen again. All right.
You're not gonna talk to me like that. I will kick you out of here. I do not give a fuck about you. What's he giving you advice?
No just like just being a condescending prick. Like every question I asked him. He was just like talking to me like I was a kid because he did the Bob and Tom show. I can't.
I mean a lot of it was like all based around like this guy's just a punter. He doesn't you know but not like not funny about it. That is a button you do not want to push. I mean the pets I mean he's a great athlete.
Not even that if you've never played it. You know what the fuck do you act like people? Shut the fuck up. There was a coach.
There was a coach that made like a little bit of a punter joke. The Pat just kind of like a Pat punter joke. And he didn't he was like dead like look this dude down. Like what did you just and he was talking about captains.
And we were like oh you know who's your captain and you know quarterback middle linebacker special teams coach is your captain and he names somebody and Pat said something like oh no no punter kicker and he just the coach straight face was like you can't have a punter kicker as a captain. And Pat it was like Simon's world is like oh gosh how does this going over. I got right. There you go.
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I think Jared Goughson underrated quarterback. I think he's really good. That's funny because in the back room here we have a completely different behavior. I feel like you and I tie where we're like we're an opposite ends of the spectrum quarterback evaluation.
Also what I've learned what I've learned in this radio game is there's no middle ground either. You either love a guy or you take a stand and you let everyone know that that guy fucking stinks. No one remembers the middling bullshit. I've had bosses tell me that when I first got into TV they either got to be all in or I'm like well okay that's why is golf so good at home and terrible on the road.