Hello, it is Thursday, August 27th, 2020. I can't thank you enough for choosing this show. There's obviously a lot going on in the sports world right now. NBA players have boycotted playoff games, MLB players have done the same.
By the time we wake up, I assume other athletes in notable celebrities will have made decisions. In an effort to bring conversation to the forefront about making our country great for everybody. Now, any protest is going to be uncomfortable for sure. And I think just a couple months ago, we were a country that was very unified after watching a video damn your nine minutes long of a man named George Floyd getting killed by an officer of the law.
I think everybody, no matter where you're from, saw that video, especially in the world that we're in with the quarantine and everybody being locked in their house in a worldwide pandemic happening, saw that and wanted to rally around each other to make our world and our country as good as it possibly can be for every one of our citizens. Conversations continued, then it kind of disappeared for a little bit. And I do believe that race relations were heightened through the entire George Floyd sad situation. Now, just a couple days ago, in Wisconsin, a man named Jacob Blake was shot in the back seven times or trying to get back into his car after an altercation with police.
NBA players are not happy about being in the bubble. NBA players are not happy about potentially not being able to protest and show the country where they stand. I believe these men taking a stand in the ladies of the WNBA and MLB players is another beautiful opportunity for us to have conversations about how we can make this country better for everybody. I'm all about harmony.
I'm all about understanding that although the outliers steal all the attention, I believe the large majority of humans want to be in this thing together. And I hope we will always be there for people. I hope we will be a show that will put a spotlight on the goodness that we have. I hope our show will continue to be a home for people to feel welcome no matter where the hell you are from or where the hell you represent.
I hope this show continues to be a unifier and let's everybody know we're in this damn thing together. In today's a great day to have a conversation with people. Today's a great day to look around. Today's a great day to reflect and say, hey, what can we do to make this country cooler for everybody?
I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen. We've got some good conversations. Jeff Fisher and I dive into the locker room, which I hope is something that can trickle its way out into regular life and regular society. The locker room is a diverse place.
A lot of economic backgrounds, race backgrounds, religious backgrounds, all coming together for one cause, all coming together for one goal, putting everything aside and saying, hey, we're in this together. That's what a locker room is. And I think it's a beautiful time, a perfect time for a country to do the same damn thing. We're in this together.
We always will be. Let's get this thing started. Ladies and gentlemen, here on behalf of Fandos, fantasy football, best ball, draft 20 players and go ahead and forget it for the rest of the season. They'll just pick those who score the most for your team.
Ladies and gentlemen, legendary NFL coach and Super Bowl champion player, Jeff Fisher. How is he muted? Mr. Fisher, if you can unmute your mic, I believe your mic might be muted.
It might be awesome to be honest. It might be awesome. Not 100% sure. This is Eno, by the way, getting himself out of blame for the introduction going over the show like that.
How's that? Yeah! Oh, and coach. Coach, what's up?
So excited. This is a new world for me, man. Come on, give me a break. Hey, you didn't know this, but most of my players knew.
I don't hear in one ear, it's a birthday check. And so, oh, I only hear in one ear. And so anytime on the sideline, back, you'll see footage, I'm going like this, because I can only hear who's upstairs. So to get this thing working with one ear, that's quite a challenge.
Yeah! Oh my gosh! Hey, hey, coach. I'm not good at technology either.
That's why I need a zero around me to do it. I wouldn't have been able to get done bad. You got more than the group there. I looked when you just was dialing in there, and there's eight or 10 people helping you.
I didn't know you needed all this help. I'm a team guy, coach. I'm a team guy. Oh, gosh.
Well, hey, it's great to join you, Pat. I appreciate the opportunity. No problem. Crazy times, man.
Last six months, but it looks like things are settling down a little bit. Well, it feels like... Nothing at all. Just hanging out, coach.
I appreciate you joining us. What are you up to now? Are you out in the mountains fly fishing right now? You just have a good old time?
Not now. I'm back in Nashville, actually. I've been in Montana over the last couple months. I came in for a week, take care of some things, take care of mama.
She had a little shoulder surgery yesterday. So I got some ice on her. So that leg wrap at the wedding at late night. Those wee hours of the night by her sister took her down, and the rotator cut.
So, but it's all good. Now, I came down here in Nashville, checking on the kids, the grandkids. Looking forward to hooking up with you guys this morning. How many years were you the coach with the Titans?
Did I have 17? I believe you were a coach with the Titans 17? Yeah, I'll go back. I used to 94, interim, five games, six games, and then full-time 95, and then 95, 96, and Houston, and we moved to Tennessee 97.
So, yeah, it was a long time. Well, you were a staple of the Titans franchise there for a long time. Had success, had some ups, had some downs, but then you had to run into the buzz saw that was Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis Colts every single. And I came in at the tail end of that whole thing, got a chance to watch Peyton work day in and day out.
And I remember being told a story, and we watched the film of it. You decided to kick an on-side kick every single kick off in a game. Do you? Well, how did that come to be?
And that is the greatest decision I've ever heard a coach make. And how did it pan out? Well, so we're, you know, it's Andy Week. It's Monday.
We're looking at the tape. Look, I get the trainer's report. Got two healthy corners. Can't go nickel.
Got guys hurt on defense. Peyton's putting 35, 40 up every week. And we were scoring some points. This was, you know, Steve had been injured.
And so Billy Volak actually was a quarterback, we had a lot of good things going offensively. But I'm sitting there looking at this tape going, man. I don't know if we can, we could score with these guys. So I started thinking, I said, you know what, we might as well just on-side every time we score.
For this reason, you know, if you kick, if you score, you kick the ball off deep, it's going to be three or four plays and Peyton's in the red zone. So why not spend all our week on one on-side kick, recoveries, and two on red zone defense. And so I talked to the staff one day Tuesday, told the team Wednesday, you know, everybody's fired up. So we did.
And then Saturday night, you know, those Saturday night meetings were kind of one of those. All right, guys, anybody opposed to this whole thing right now, just stand up and speak. I want to hear you and everybody would know, let's do it. So yeah, I think it was four or five on-side kicks.
The crazy part was Marvin, he comes up on that. He's got Tony sends the handsteams out there after about the fourth one. And Marvin Harrison, stand on their sideline during TV time out, and he's looking at me, he goes, are you crazy? I go, no, Tony is.
He just sends the handsteams out and he goes, yeah, I go, have fun blocking R5 because I'm picking this sucker deep. So yeah, we did. I mean, it's about trying to find ways to, you know, to win games weekly. And you know, I, you're going to have some time off in the stat business and things like that.
I don't think anybody's ever faked more kicks or done more gimmick type things than I have, you know, over my career. But speaking of the cult rivalries, now, obviously, I'm not going to, I mean, you know who you replaced. And so Hunter's there for what, eight years, nine years? Right.
Okay. When I stand up in front of the team every time I play the Colts, it's like first thing you say is, all right, who's the most important person on this roster? The guys that go, under Smith, and you're sitting there, they may look at that, go, why? It's because we got to get him on the field.
So if he's on the field, he's punting, that's okay. If he's on the field as a holder, as long as it's a field goal, it's okay. So if we can get Hunter Smith on the field four or six times a game, we got a chance to beat the Colts. Everything you just said there is a reason and it kind of hammers home.
The fact you were known as a big time players coach and it's like, hey, players love playing for Jeff Fisher. You the night before a game saying, Hey, is everybody on board with this? Yeah, speak or if you're not speaking up, no coach is going to do that. If a coach makes a decision most of the time, it's like, Hey, this is what we're doing.
You listen, you get the hell out. You're a former player, obviously, Super Bowl champion and a weapon and special teams for a long time. Do you feel as if the players coach mantra was an accurate one or did you feel as if that wasn't like a fair way to assess your style of coaching? Well, I didn't read a book on how to be a players coach or anything like that.
I was just like, things just sometimes they should come natural to you and they did over time. I mean, you talk about the Saturday night meetings. I mean, you remember those meetings and you know, the respect I have for the coaches that you played for, but talking to coaches early in my career, even even Bill Parsel, we were just checking the complex out. I mean, he's like, I go, so what's up with Saturday nights?
He goes, I don't even really meet. And I go, what, what, why is that? What are you going to say for 16, 17 straight Saturday nights that they haven't heard? And I thought, this should become a fun night.
And so, oh man, over the years, the number of guests and pranks and fun stuff that we had Saturday nights, you know, you remember how, well, the last thing you want is the coach firing you up to get you ready to play at nine o'clock Saturday night before the Sunday game when you want to sleep. So, oh God, how about, how about Herman? Boom. The red, the head coach, I remember the Titans.
It was a really cool thing. You know, we're here in Nashville and I went, got the, I went, got the movie and I cut up all, you know, cut it down to about five minutes and, and I walked in and guys kind of got quiet. I go, hey, check this out, bang. And I put the video on.
So I've condensed the, remember the Titans into about five minutes. And the guys are like, whoa, and actually it was really cool about it back then. I did speak a little bit on, on the race issue because of what they were going, what he was going through and remember he went to Gettysburg and he did all that stuff. So anyway, I got five minutes of video and the guys are kind of sitting there going like, oh man, what's up here, coach?
And Herman Boone walks in the back door. Oh. And I introduce him to the team and the standing ovation. And then he just talked for 15, 20 minutes about those times and about the movie and about Denzel Washington and about, actually in the movie, if you remember, it's years ago, but the, the, the friction between he and his defensive coordinator, the white, black thing back then.
And it was like, Hey, what's up with your coordinate? And Herman's like, coach, who's like, Hey man, we're best friends, you know, and it's just was a really cool thing. And then Will Jimeno, the one of the two poor authority officers that, that was, that was rescued from power to I have every time, every time when I go to New York after 9 11, I'd have, will come in and talk to the team. Unfortunately, when I was with the Rams, those players, most of them didn't know what 9 11 was.
But you know, those things on Saturday nights, they're, that's a kick, man. I mean, that's what you should do. The work's done by there by that point. So anyway, I got off.
We have more time left. Yeah. We actually, we have to go to a break for radio. Will you stick with us on YouTube through the break?
All right, radio, we'll be back on the other side. Legendary coach, Jeff Fisher, Super Bowl champion player will continue the conversation at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show. Clear coach. Okay, so we're just on YouTube now.
So you can do whatever the hell you want the, what you were just talking about there with remember the Titans and what's going on in our world right now. I've always said like, if we could get some of the NFL locker room or football locker room to kind of creep into society, it would be awesome. Because you got people from all walks of like, you're a Montana, I mean, I'm from Pittsburgh, you got guys from from Dave County and everything coming together for one common goal. That is the beauty of football.
I think that doesn't get so it goes back to my rookie year. You know, I grew up in Southern California. I went to USC, it served in the morning and skied at night. And I ended up going to the Bears.
And I'm, you know, I was drafted by the Bears of 81 and Neil Armstrong was a head coach and I thought that was an astronaut. The only person I knew on the Bears was Walter Payton and then it's been seven because he was a Trojan. And in three years, I'm duck hunting with Walter Payton. I mean, every day off and in our back, we could have been just further backgrounds.
You know, when people just don't understand what the game does to all all of that. I mean, it was cool. I mean, my experiences, I was talking about Stephen Eddie yesterday with somebody and, you know, my relationship with Steve, I think about him all the time. And you know, we were best friends, same with Eddie.
And I was like, what this world just needs to hear about the cool stuff that's going on in the league and in the locker rooms, as opposed to, you know, the stuff that came out, I feel, you know, obviously I'm sympathetic and I get it and I feel it and everything. But how do you get these stories out and exchanges? And, you know, I was talking somebody a few weeks ago. I was in St.
Louis during Ferguson. And, you know, I mean, I had a few guys go down there and just in check it out out of curiosity. And we brought the Ferguson high school football team in because they couldn't practice. They had no field that was destroyed.
And we brought them to our facility to do, you know, to practice some play. And it's like, you know, we just need to just need to be real about how this that people need to tell about talking about who their best friends are like. It's just it's pretty simple and let's just not politicize everything, you know. I agree with you, coach.
I've said literally since the jump by the George Floyd murder. Now what's going on in Wisconsin, but Jacob Blake, the the conversation always tends to be like these people don't like these people. And it's like, oh, we cannot let our worst representatives be the people that kind of represent an entire thing. And if exactly I wish I wish so bad that a football locker room was like document it couldn't be like the show big brother.
I wish there was some way to document what a locker room is and somehow teach society how to operate. It's just a special place. I grew up playing soccer and then I get in the West Virginia locker room, the football locker room. And you just realize it's like, it's so cool.
It is it's a different place. Speaking of West Virginia, not jump subject, but two of my favorite players when I was in St. Louis with Tae Bonn and Stephanie. And oh my gosh, we have we have funny story.
We drafted them and right next to the Rams facility was the place called Verizon Empathy. And so, you know, they've they've taken off their their concert season. And so you got all kinds of different concerts coming on and starting up. So so I get a phone call from I'm gonna ask you if you know what this is from one of the top country artists in country music who is a West Virginia.
Oh yeah, Brad Paisley. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
He's not a bat call. Brad calls. Brad calls. I do him here in Nashville.
He goes, Hey, man, he goes, I'm open. it. He goes, I'm open in Verizon. He goes, once come on out, I go out.
Geez, Brad, I got like Ricky Minicamp. He goes, no, I'll just just come on out. You know how you know the drill. So anyway, I go, okay, he goes, how's Stebman and how's Dave on?
I go, I've met Tae Bonn. I haven't met Stebman. I, you know, you know, we use a later graphic. I did personally interview him, but they're in tonight.
He goes, Oh man, if I could just mute him. He goes up. So cool. So I go on, I go on over and I'm sitting on his bus and we're just going to chase out and he goes, can you bring him over?
So I call the director's here to go, Hey man, I go pull Stebman and Tae Bonn out of their meeting and bring him over here. I'm into the back gate. So they come over. I meet Stebman for the first time and he's like this.
Tae Bonn is like, you know, Tae Bonn is Tae Bonn. And they go, Hey guys, come on with me. You got to meet this dude. So anyway, we go on the bus and Paisley's taking pictures and he's so excited to meet these guys.
And so now the sudden his manager goes, Hey, it's time to go. And so, so Brad, ladies and says thanks and his dad's there. His manager's there. Brad goes up.
I go, Hey guys, come on with me. I want you to check this out. So we go up and we go on the side stage there and listen to two songs and they'll place this goal and nuts. He's playing alcohol.
You know, I guess he just goes off with that and all that. And so so I go, I go, I look, oh man, I get you guys got your meeting. So I said, let me walk you back. And so I walk him out and walk and they're just kind of looking around and I go, all right, be honest with you guys ever heard this dude and they go, no.
So I go, that's cool. Now you do now you got a fan. Now you got, you know how how broad this fan basis and stuff like that. But yeah, it's cool.
I wish people just wish you could just have a moment and time in a forum just to tell fun stories like that, you know, hey, we're having it right now. And I'm enjoying every single one of them from you coach. You're here representing Fandol for fantasy football, best ball. I don't know how much you do the fantasy football.
I've tried to do it. It's a lot of work and Fandol said, hey, this best ball thing, you draft the team, we'll take care of everything else. What are your thoughts on it and what will your team look like? Here's the background.
Okay. Fantasy football while I was coaching was a no, no, you know, you just don't, it's gambling. It's, you know, and so when I, you know, I probably saved League Memos regarding that. So I really never got into it.
Okay. And when I left, I mean, to be honest with you, I've been hunting and fishing and just enjoying myself and, you know, missing the sideline obviously trying to get back in. But, and I got a call a month ago, I got a text on Friday being Chicago on Tuesday and once the film this commercial, I go, okay, shoot. Yeah.
So I wasn't, I was pretty much on the plane till I know what I was doing. I'm about two weeks and two or three weeks and they're like, whoa, whoa, this is pretty cool stuff. So I'm learning right now. So I don't have any answers for you other than this new concept that they're doing is pretty cool because it's getting a lot of attention.
So it's a draft once you have a better understanding. I do. So I'm still, I'm still a rookie in this. I mean, I'm in my rookie mini camp and fantasy football.
So help me with it. Well, hopefully somebody will pull you out of a meeting and take you to a fucking concert. I like that. Yeah.
The draft one time. And I think I've always tried to get in fancy because like you, whenever you're playing, you, I wasn't allowed to do fantasy was like, Hey, do not beat Rose do not do fantasy do not gamble do not do anything. So then I retire in a boy's here love fantasy. So I've tried it and I just can't do it because it's a lot of work like each week you got to sit your line up.
You got to do this. Fandel taking all of that out of there is a wonderful thing. I think you're going to dominate because your eye for talent coach. Your eye for talent is next level.
Well, what's interesting to me, Pat is just talking to people, these these experts, these these guys know what they're talking about. Now, I've been out for a couple of years. I've all this stuff that my only way of getting information other than the calling a buddy, I had a coach or GM or something like that is is is this medium. And that's that's my source.
And and so so, but what I've come to know just in this last couple weeks, these guys know what they're talking about. They the statistics available and all these things available to these guys. I mean, you know, my hats off to them because it's a 24 seven prep job just like coaches and they know what they're talking about. So no, I don't know if they can game plan and they know what they're talking about.
It's easy to evaluate it after and predict, but in the heat of the moment, that's where things get tough. Coach, last question here. We can't thank you enough for spending time. I hope your shoulder surgery and rehab is going to go well here.
Oh, it's Julie's not mine. I'm good. Oh, you're good. Somebody else's.
Yes. That's my better hat. Yeah. Well, listen, you're going to be here.
I'm way past going down on a leg wrap at a wedding. Coach, last question here. I am a big fan of the show part in my take and you've been on their numerous times and they every single time a coaching opportunity opens up, they put up this incredible video about sometimes you have to go back before you can go forward and you just mentioned there about how you're missing the sidelines. Is that something you've been actively pursuing or is it like if a situation pops up you would take?
Like what are the thoughts of Jeff Fisher's future and coach? Well, I was a grind for a long, long time and you know, I walked away from the Titans mutually because of commitment I kept to myself, you know, if I ever woke up and I wanted to look forward to going to work, I'll get out and I did after the 2010 scene. I took 11 off line, kill them in a jar. I had a bunch of fun time, got back with the Rams, didn't get to finish.
I kind of, you know, I'm a rejuvenated man. I mean, I've done a lot of stuff. I've fished a hundred all over the place and I miss the sod, man. I miss the buses to the stadium.
I miss travel, but most importantly, I miss the players. So if there's an opportunity that comes up, I'm going to look hard at it. And incidentally, I've been the last year or so. I've been paying a real close attention to college football.
So, you know, if that opportunity rises, I'll look at it. But in the meantime, I have no complaints, man. I'm enjoying it. And to be able to talk ball in old times with guys like you, pretty cool.
Well, coach, I hope to see you back on the sideline again. I think the whole world does and I can't thank you enough for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion player in the NFL legendary coach and a man hopefully will see potentially on the sideline soon either college football or the NFL Jeff Fisher. Thank you guys.
Appreciate you Jeff. Yeah, you too, man. Cool. Guy there.
Awesome. I mean, it was giving a very good answer there in his video just got shipped right off the screen. I don't know why that happens, but what a legendary guy that guy tells stories for hours like I assume I would just like to share these stories somewhere. I'm like, Hey, let's keep them going coach.
How about Tae Bon Osset is stemming getting called out of rookie minicamp meetings? Okay. All right, come over and coach Fisher is like a STEM and how's going head coach? We're gonna go to the onside.
Tickling is a legendary story within the Indianapolis goals organization. Literally five onside kicks to start the game smart idea by the way though. We can either give it to him at the 20 for a touchback or somewhere back there and he's just going to two plays down there. Well, we can try to get this thing back and go for it.
Let's go for it. Also shows how good that goes off as well as that team's had to take up things to do like that. Tom Brady or New England Patriots fourth and one. Yeah, that's a massive thing.
Bill Belichick came on and said we weren't going to be able to stop Peyton at the time. We're gonna have to get this first down. Melton Bullet gets a big time tackle. Reggie scores.
We win celebrate no big deal. We're back on the other side radio. This was the Pat Mac for show Wednesday August 26th. I think I got to be there.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just just so clear. Is it what happened?
You fucking just took his face right off the screen now? I believe Gus is here and Gus is on the line. Oh, we got Gus Malzahn joining us here in a few moments. The Gus Malzahn Wow.
By the way, while coach Fisher was talking about potentially being a college football coach. Gus Malzahn goes, excuse me. Get the hell out of you. I love that.
I don't know. And now if I'm right here and Gus can probably hear us and I don't want to intro him until we get back live or whatever. Or we probably could. I guess right now.
Is he on right now? He's like, he's slowly coming and I think someone's long a minute right now. This is like coach Coughlin time. Grega's time.
I remember in college, Richard, if you weren't there five, 10 minutes beforehand, it was a it was a scene. It was an absolute scene. It's like, well, why don't you just set the schedule for the meeting to be 10 minutes earlier? Why?
If you want to be here 15 minutes earlier, just make the meeting 15 minutes earlier. Well, because I'm teaching you about life. I'm teaching about life. I guess.
I mean, I've 15 minute nap would have been nice. You're out of this. We're sitting here waiting for his glass to break to come into the team meeting. It's really like we're just waiting like, all right, everybody's here 15 minutes.
And we were, by the way, I would like to say our team and now hindsight, I guess as an adult looking back, our team probably needed that type of like, hey, this is how you do life, by the way, you show up on time, you're early the whole thing. I get it. But it turned into actually sitting there waiting, waiting five minutes, six minutes, meeting starts at one. It's like, we're all in there by 1250.
1251. You're just sitting there, nobody's making sound 1252, 1254, and all of a sudden, it's like, wake up motherfucker. Richard, you guys come flying in. I mean, it was, I mean, I guess it taught me a lot about life.
But what I did carry into my adulthood is if something starts at 1057, go ahead and see me at 1056. Because I went to meetings four years, four years straight, about 15 minutes early and a lot of wasted time. I just, I ain't got time for it. But I did appreciate whatever.
He instilled in us at this point. Did you guys ever have guests like Herman Boone with Coach Fisher? No. So we had an Admiral come in and talk to, there was a couple, we had a couple people come in and speak to us tonight for the game.
And Admiral came and spoke to us. Chuck used to have incredible story. I mean, Saturday night was a show time for Chuck. I mean, it was because Chuck very much understood too, like, hey, I'm not going to give you guys a raw right.
I mean, every once in a while, it turned into one. But it will always start with like some sort of funny story or reference. And then, I think, depending on the reaction to the story is how Chuck would go, whether it was like a little bit more of a serious story. And he was like, Hey, tomorrow you're going to ship a ball.
Aren't you? You're going to do your job here? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
All right. Yeah. I am. All right.
And I'm only going to go take three and be and try to pass out after this thing. So we had an Admiral speak to us. And I think I've told the story before. When it fell, I believe his name is I have his coin.
So you know how they give out coins. It's a big deal in the military to share coins. If you get one, it's a massive ordeal, obviously, you're supposed to travel with him. I forget the actual name from somebody in YouTube comment section.
But I guess it's a big deal whenever you are at a bar or something. And somebody pulls out what a coin if you don't have what you have to pay. Like that is the only time that it has worked for me in public is one time at a bar with some people and I had a coin in my pocket and I put it out in somebody else had to pay because I didn't have a coin. But it's like, I forgot what it is.
I got his one. He gave us a speech, great speech. And I was a really cool speech. And he was a guy who met with the president every single day.
He was the head of the boy Air Force Navy. I don't know. Maybe probably right. He's an Admiral.
I think they all have admirals. Are it? I think everybody has any guys? I think I was like the guy or lady.
Oh, that's a ship term. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was the Navy.
Well, whatever. He was a guy. He was one of the chiefs of staff who had to meet with the president every single day. So he had Secret Service and everything.
He gives us a speech, great speech. I mean, it was a good speech, great speech. Talk about ships. I would assume Navy, probably.
So he does this whole thing. And then afterwards, there's like a snack because you've seen the legendary thing of a restaurant where he talks and goes, let's go get a fucking snack. I got his just classic. It's team meeting, then it's snack and then it's bedtime.
I was always somebody that enjoyed snack. I didn't want to go into my room so quick. So I was kind of one of the lingers. I'd bounce around table to table.
Just kind of see everybody's feeling chit chat, tell stories. Listen, it was cool night. And I was one of the last people there and I was there was one other person I forget who it was. And we're the only two people in the entire room in the Admiral company.
He just got to talk in like four Secret Service. There he is. Four Secret Service people come into the room and there's like four Secret Service of the doors. He gets his food.
He sits down at the table with me and I'm like, oh my God, like this guy, he probably wants to talk football right now. But how many times you can talk to a guy? Talk to a fucking person. So I just, I mean, he got peppered with questions from me.
I was like, let's talk about Ebola. Hey, what's the southern border? What's going on with blah blah blah blah? How about I have Middle East?
Are we going to be there? And he just answered everything and it was wild. I mean, it was a wild scene. Shout out to Roman.
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Get Roman dot com forward slash pad. Ladies and gentlemen, one of the new hosts of NFL Live, which kicked off a brand new season yesterday, 4pm Eastern Standard Time every single day on ESPN. Ladies and gentlemen, former teammate of mine, guy with great hair, Daniel loves you. Why do you have a hat on?
Why do you have a hat on? I just got no. Oh, wow. You look like you're on the cover of that.
What's that Netflix thing that the beach thing GQ? No, that's not her bank. Outer Banks. That's the hair for the guy from Outer Banks right there with that flow.
You look, you're a change. Oh, look, I'm shredded too with the traps or lobster. Let's go. I look like Zac Efron and Baywatch.
Well, you're giving yourself a lot of credit there. I agree you do. Congratulations on NFL Live, man. The show is awesome.
I can't wait to watch it. Thank you, bud. I'm honored to be honored to be on. I think it's a super cool crew.
You've worked with a couple of people, obviously Marcus and I've worked with me in before. Yeah, I did her podcast. I think she's incredibly, really mean, super smart. She makes some sense of numbers as good as anybody.
Marcus is as funny as anyone on television, excluding yourself. I agree with that, by the way. Swag is fine. I die.
And Lord, fantastic. Oh, so I'm excited for it, man. I'm really excited. Have you guys been prepping for this?
Like you do Zoom calls, like team meetings? Because ESPN big deal, obviously, ESPN obviously takes a lot of things right here. And if the Live's one of the staples of ESPN, how is the whole process of building that show been? You guys just zoom call each other, face them each other, text each other with Snapchat?
Yeah, my space. When they kind of announced this is the show and that's what it's going to be, we all kind of started group text. I've known Marcus since we got drafted together. So we have a 15 plus year relationship of a friendship.
And then I've worked with Mina and obviously Laura, we have this group chat that is 70% buffoonery and 30% work and hey, throwing out ideas and what we want to talk about. And then we were actually supposed to start last week, the 17th, but the NBA came in playoffs. And so they pushed us a week. So we did a little bit of a practice zoom just because Amina and Marcus are remote and I'm in studio.
So just working on those kind of technology kind of mishaps. Close. Yeah. Well, well, he's weird.
And then like honestly, we wake up, we start sending out texts for the day and then we'll get on a call around 11 30 12 o'clock to kind of what's the show going to be and then go from there. So when you're on get up and a guy like Tannenbaum, who I like, by the way, I had a problem with him early because of what he said about Toa and the top I picked for the dolphins and he kind of skewed my take because I thought he knew what he was talking about. Turns out he was just out there doing his thing thinking aloud. But whenever you have a guy like Tannenbaum on your show that you're alongside and he's like, you know, Ben Rawlsberger, this guy who has come Super Bowls, he does all this stuff.
And he says he might be the fourth best quarterback just in the AFC North. That is a very, very interesting take. Is it hard not to because you're in the ESPN family and you like to talk about not to just text that NFL live thing and be like, okay, this is where we start and end the show is Tannenbaum saying this. Is that hard not to do that?
Yeah, of course it is, you know, and I like I like getting into it with people too. Listen, I have said silly things, stupid things on television before. I've been absolutely massacred for them rightfully so. Shocking breaking news here.
So like when listen, I think Mike T thinks because of COVID and the unique offseason that maybe the divisions have morphed together and there's more than four teams and maybe he thinks the AFC North AFC South got together type thing. Here's my thing on it, Pat. Like I got to be a good teammate at times. That's a good guy.
I know I got to be a good teammate and you know, I know Mike T personally, he's a super nice dude. I absolutely think the comment is ridiculous and totally incorrect and misguided, but I got to be a good teammate. Okay, let's talk about that AFC North Joe Burrow rookie coming in a lot of weight on his shoulders. They spend some money in the free agency, Trey Wayans gets hurt.
He's one of the guys they bought. So it seems like the Bengals are going to what do you expect out of Joe Burrow rookie quarterback and you're talking COVID-19, no OTAs, no walkthroughs really. It can't be that high of expectation. I assume he has very high expectation by I think anybody that's been in the NFL knows this is going to be a very tough road for Joe Burrow, especially in AFC North with the defenses in there.
Yeah, I totally disagree. I think the whole offseason is completely overblown type thing. If you look at like, first of all, rookie quarterbacks in the last four or five years have come in and performed better than in traditional fashions. Then the question becomes well, why is one the rules, benefit, offensive players and two coaches understand the use of space so much more.
So this one little, this one yard throw becomes an eight yard completion. So, you know, the rookie quarterback performance is a little bit different than in the old days. Second of all, if you're trying to see what's going to help a rookie quarterback play well, I look at three things. What's the scheme?
Who are his people and then what are his traits? Well, first of all, his scheme is super quarterback friendly. It's the Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak scheme. It doesn't stress quarterbacks mentally.
Like it is, hey, this is our play. You're going to get to line of scrimmage. We're going to play fast. It's going to be a ton of play action and I'll get super nerdy for everyone here.
Like, when you play drop back football as a quarterback, meaning no play fake, right? When you play drop back football, you got to know the coverage before the snap because you don't have to know what side of the field you are more than likely working. When you play play action football, you don't really need to know the coverage is turn your back, play fake, snap your head and then find your guy. Find is that receiver open?
Is that you know, you got to find people rather than know the coverage? So it's reactionary to they got dudes in Cincinnati, a.J. Green, Tyre Boyd, Ross, Joe Bernard, Joe Nixon. I would say, William's is the best offensive lineman that's come out in three or four years of the draft.
You know, and he's back healthy, the X-First Rounder from Alabama. And then the third thing, Burrow just doesn't panic. A lot of regular quarterback struggle, because they panic. He just doesn't panic.
So I think Burrow is going to be really good this year. I obviously think he's going to be really good for his career. So I'm a little bit like, don't make too much of the offseason. Okay, I respect it.
And I like the fact that as soon as I said something go, I disagree. Let me tell you why. That's kind of Dan or Lofsky school journalism right there. Let's talk about a quarterback that's brand new to a system that everybody's having rave reviews for.
Nobody knew what was going to happen. This guy was unemployed for 86 days, head no team, somehow Bill Belichick and Ernie pull him into the Patriots. He's signed at minimum guarantee or whatever with upside up to seven and a half million, whatever the case is, it's insane. Cam Newton has been, I guess, spectacular up for the New England Patriots.
Did anybody expect anything differently? Did you expect anything differently? And what did you think of the people that were like, Hey, Jared Stidham's going to start over Cam Newton? Yeah, what?
What? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, okay, I'm stupid.
Like the last time we saw Cam Newton healthy, you know this, MVP football. Okay. Yes, he guys, he was playing bad when he tore his muscles in his shoulder. Yeah, duh.
You know, so like, yeah, he struggled in that time. Listen, Jared Stidham is a young player that probably has some promise. And if he had to play this year, he would probably be okay. We're talking about Cam Newton.
We're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks in the last 10 years at the NFL, one of the biggest freaks athletic we've ever seen paired with a quarter or coach and an offensive coordinator that think differently. They don't think inside the box. They think outside the box. Oh, I see.
He's notorious. Bill Belichick is notorious for don't tell me what the player can't do. Tell me what the player can do. Cam Newton is a perfect player of don't tell me what he can't do.
No, Cam's not super accurate. He's not the most accurate quarterback ever. So what? He doesn't need to be guess what Tom Brady's not six foot four or three hundred pounds.
You know, uh, it's a good match. He's going to make them better. Cam's going to play well. They're not a playoff football team.
But Cam's going to make them better. Easy starter. So on record right here, I don't know if you've said this before, maybe on NFL Live, which airs at four o'clock Eastern Daylight time every single day on ESPN. Dan Lovesky's one of the new hosts Tuesday, August 25th, right here at Pat Mcley's Show.
Dan Lovesky, good hair, fresh out of a workout. Says that the Patriots will not make the playoffs to sure. Yeah, the Patriots not a playoff team. Dan or Lovesky.
Let me tell you why. Let me tell you, yeah, Dan Lovesky thinks Bill Belichick can get an MVP like quarterback and stink at the same damn time. That is what you just said. And then Lovesky says they stink.
Okay. Can I tell us why Dan, please? I would like to hear this one. All right.
Last year, the New England Patriots were 0 and 4 against the four best teams in the AFC. Number two, the last eight games of the season, the Buffalo Bills who are also in the AFC East Division had a better record, had a better offense, had a better defense. The Buffalo Bills have gotten better this year this offseason season. The Patriots have gotten significantly worse.
Kim Newman is a lesser player than Tom Brady. They lost certainly one of their best offensive linemen. Marcus Cannon has opted out. They have a bottom five group when it comes to skill players in the NFL.
Right now, they're really good offenses other than really good quarterbacks and play colors. You know what they're notorious for? Having a bunch of really good skill players. The Patriots dumped.
They're going to be reliant on two young tight ends that they drafted this year in the draft. They lost six starters off of their defense. Six. So you're talking about a team that is worse than they were last year that struggled against the best teams in the AFC last year.
They got worse within their division while the division leader got better and they played the toughest schedule in football. Now everyone's going to go this. Yeah, but they've won the AFC East 11 years in a row. You're right, they have.
They have won zero games playing this style of football. They got to play a different style of football this year. And it's not just getting canned to play well. It's getting everyone in the offense to play well and then play winning football.
I don't see it. Wow, you made an excellent case there. I guess. I mean, the way you shaped that made you sound right.
But I can feel every human in Boston just going, yeah, keep it going, Dan. Okay, keep it going. Dan. That's what we live for.
That's the case. I just want to remind people you and I sat at a desk last year and I said, this is the worst offense the Patriots have had since 2003. You immediately snapped back to me and said they went to Super Bowl in 2003 and I said, uh, they just saw him last year. Yeah, but I wasn't going to go on TV and say it because I've been a part of games where the Patriots have beat me by 50.
So I am not, I just have, you know, I have that I can't get out there and be like, oh, this team stinks and then I just have to go to my phone and it's like, oh, this team stinks, huh? Well, here's highlights of you running the worst fake punt in the history of the NFL against the Patriots. I'm just not about that. I feel like this is when the Patriots drive the most but you're like the way you laid that out to you like the Buffalo Bills.
I listened to Sean McDermott, miked up the other day. A lot of clapping. A lot of clapping. I do not know he was that big of a clapper.
I mean, we're talking like intense. Here we go. A lot of the entire Mike up session was him clapping and saying the same thing. Oh, so the team does not trust the social media team.
It was really the same thing on repeat for the whole thing. Yeah, I feel like that was most of my career though as well. So if you ever ever got game tape on me, I'd be like the ball Matthew keeps spinning it, keeps spinning it. It's shot, dude.
Ladies and gentlemen, this guy, 4 p.m. Eastern daylight time, by the way, it's not Eastern Standard Time anymore. Did you know that? Yes.
Yeah, I do now. Everything you say is gospel. So no, no, no, because I said E ST, which is Eastern Standard Time turns out because we move the clock. We're actually EdT now.
You bounce from the thing. I guess. I was told by somebody who's much smarter than I am that that was right. So maybe carry that into your life.
You're welcome. What's on tap right now? If I live today, you guys talking about anything awesome? Yeah, we'll talk a bunch of you know, Buddha Baker just got signed big money.
15 mill Jamal Adams got to be pissed. Right. So yeah, big time. You know, is he overpaid?
You know, how does the highest paid safety and if I'm not had interceptions, I dispute that. So you know, why is it important to pay a guy like that, especially from I'm going to talk about it from an offensive perspective. We'll talk about that. I think we're going to talk about the NSC West.
I think I think the 49ers in a little bit of trouble with their lack of receivers. That's got to be somewhat concerning. So we'll talk about that a little bit. I think we'll get into, you know, how our buddy more than my buddy, Andrew Luck, retired a year ago in one day.
How have the Colts somehow gotten back to what they were almost with Andrew, you know, where you like the rivers? Yeah, you like the rivers. I've been seeing clips of them. I like what I'm seeing from a mic up.
I like the throws that they're showing. I don't know him. I know nothing about him. I think those guys are really good.
If you watch last year, he struggled. Their offensive line was really bad. Obviously not an issue in Indy. Offensive line is really bad.