Providence Threads – Season 2 | Episode 11

In this episode of Providence Threads, Pastor Toby Gruppen sits down with John Wagenveld, Executive Director of Multiplication Network, to explore one of the most urgent topics for the Church today: the multiplication of disciples, leaders, and new churches.Drawing from real-life experiences around the world, John offers a compelling perspective on the contrast between the Church in North America and the rapid growth seen in the Global South. Why, with more resources and theological training, are we seeing less multiplication? What is holding the Church back from fully living out its mission?In this conversation, we explore:The shift from a consumer church to a sent churchThe impact of over-professionalizing pastoral leadershipThe gap between biblical knowledge and boldness in living out our faithCultural barriers that hinder discipleship in North AmericaPractical next steps to live a more intentional and visible faithThis episode is an invitation to rediscover the heart of God: making disciples who make disciples, and living a faith that goes beyond the walls of the church.Share this episode with someone who is ready to take their next step in following Jesus.