Providence Threads – Season 2 | Episode 12

In this episode of Providence Threads, Pastor Toby Gruppen sits down with John Wagenveld, Director of Multiplication Network, to explore what it really means to multiply disciples, leaders, and churches.Together, they unpack a critical reality: even in places like West Michigan—often seen as “churched”—we are far from gospel saturation. With more churches closing than opening, the call to multiplication is more urgent than ever.This conversation challenges us to move beyond a Sunday-centered faith and into a Kingdom mindset—where every believer is called, equipped, and sent to make disciples who make disciples.You’ll discover:Why church planting is essential for reaching the worldWhat the global church is doing right—and what we can learn from itHow everyday believers can live on missionThe shift from “church-centered” to “Kingdom-centered” thinkingWhy God calls us out of comfort and into multiplicationThis is not just about starting churches—it’s about living a life of purpose, mission, and participation in what God is doing in the world.The harvest is plentiful. Are we ready?