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EPISODE · Apr 7, 2026 · 43 MIN

Psychosocial risk is like a divorced child being passed between HR and Safety

from Thelma and Louise - Over the Corporate Cliff · host Thelma and Louise

The Custody Battle - HR vs Safety with Mike HaganPsychosocial harm doesn’t start in HR. It starts in how work is designed, led and tolerated.  And if HR and Safety aren’t aligned the organisation bleeds talent and could be causing harm.“HR says it’s culture.”“Safety says it’s compliance.”Exec says, "Can you two sort it out and not bother me?"There are two things execs need to understand:What activities meet their legal obligations.It’s not 1984 anymore.And the Generational Bit is a challenge, just think:Cold Chisel vs TikTok.“Waiting for the next generation to toughen up is not a strategy.”No executive lies awake thinking, ‘I hope SafeWork notices me.’But:“They do lie awake thinking about margin and talent loss.”Enjoy this conversation where we explore all of this and more!Thelma and Louise - Over the Corporate Cliff

The Custody Battle - HR vs Safety with Mike HaganPsychosocial harm doesn’t start in HR. It starts in how work is designed, led and tolerated.  And if HR and Safety aren’t aligned the organisation bleeds talent and could be causing harm.“HR says it’s culture.”“Safety says it’s compliance.”Exec says, "Can you two sort it out and not bother me?"There are two things execs need to understand:What activities meet their legal obligations.It’s not 1984 anymore.And the Generational Bit is a challenge, just think:Cold Chisel vs TikTok.“Waiting for the next generation to toughen up is not a strategy.”No executive lies awake thinking, ‘I hope SafeWork notices me.’But:“They do lie awake thinking about margin and talent loss.”Enjoy this conversation where we explore all of this and more!Thelma and Louise - Over the Corporate Cliff

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