How did they create high standards at all traffic? Because I'm a cat and it's a meeting with a maula. You must now know that there's that fundamental thing that matter. I lost it, doesn't.
What are the things that matter? People in 10, 20 years, that's real, that's my name. I haven't really done what I'm here to do. I might even need to introduce my next guest.
Rio Mfernand. Form a football player one of the most decorated English footballers of all time, as my next friend probably won my favourite players of all time ever. And he's played alongside some of the greatest players ever, but he's also been managed by the best manager ever. I grew up as much as Matt trying to watch him, idolizing him.
And now, he's my mate. So this is going to be a fairly interesting conversation. After retiring, he's become a sports producer, but he's what he's become an author. He's become an entrepreneur.
He's at the founder of the charity foundation. He's an executive director, which he'll talk about today as well. And that's your hero. He's also so much more.
Something that he probably would expect. He's also a husband and a dad. Well, that's experienced tremendous unthinkable tragedy. I tried to do I pray that most of us will never know.
Rio is a special guy. Not least what he's even feels, but for who he is. And today, you can find out who he actually is. The philosophy to life that he's led by and a culture required to win in an ambitious career, but also a culture required to win in your personal life.
Without further ado, I'm seen by all. And this is the diversity. I hope nobody's listening. But if you are, then he's just yourself.
I'm trying to find the right way to ask a question, because it's one dive. I haven't seen bars and previous interviews with you, but one of the key things that happens when you were very, very young that made you choose football as your future or enabled you to take that path. Because I like to grab a man's and my kids and all the things and have a passion. But for some reason, as I read through your story, always this ballet as well.
But always the path that you chose to take above all other things. Yeah, it's a good question. Because when I was young, I was into everything. I went running around on your state.
I was doing gymnastics a couple times a week. I was doing ballet. I was obviously playing football. I was in athletics.
I was going to jump class. I mean, all these things there. Because I was interested in it. I liked it.
I enjoyed it. And my mom and dad were really my mom and I especially were really like something. I was always like that. I was like, what's the question?
You don't enjoy it. I actually do karate sometimes as well. And I got to a point. I think I was like, 13 or 14 years old.
And obviously my dad was having to come from East, like, obviously we didn't have time on him. He'd drive to East, North East London, drive home, pick me up from school, take his away Sunday to play football, back to shopping friends off on the way. It's hard graph. And in the end, I got to 13, 14 years old, and I said, listen, you're doing a lot of women.
You're doing a better job. So let's just pick something that you really enjoy. You want to do and just go for it. I was like, it was that easy conversation.
It was difficult enough to let down a different point. Central school band like we're doing it, which is a real, like, I talked to an London in Firingdon. And I made good friends there. And the whole thing was doing that concern about it.
But four years old, so four years old, essentially about it. So I got good relationships there. So I told them I couldn't do it. And then went full for a little football.
And it was just the best decision, obviously, in my life in that sense. But I knew that was my passion. I liked that stuff. I enjoyed doing that with stuff.
There were good distractions from what we got on my site. So I opened my parents' walk like that as well. The football was just something that I got every day for. When my friends asked for a football, it was only a football, etc.
So ballet. Interesting one. People didn't know that you did ballet. But it sounds like you did a freaking little.
Yeah. I found gymnastics at the London Olympic Games. And they obviously didn't know it was got there from ballet souls. Or someone was watching or family friends there.
And they said, he looks like he might have had a posture or something. That looks good to be a ballet dancer. So I went there. And I wasn't really want to say no, so I tried anything.
And they said, in one of the reasons I was going to get from my state, meeting new people, new girls, maybe, as a young kid. And then it was in different part of London traveling. And they said, yes, everything. When you get into the top, that's not saying everything.
And they said, yeah. And I'm only saying that's what we're going to do. They're going to have it now. But you're up to you now.
What's always interesting is what's the worst way to happen. It's not how for you. I'm like, I might be good at it. I might foul.
Who cares? That would have been boxing. I want to go try and be from a frisbee. It's trying to be a frisbee.
What's the worst thing that you have been? I lose the fight. My life goes on. I say it.
So some people, they can't allow it ego to be. Because maybe at a certain point, they're pride. And they're just a matter of personal. They can't feel vulnerable at any point.
And when you try things, there's an element of vulnerability to come to that. They're opening yourself up. You leave yourself a bit wide open. The criticism for failure.
I'm not afraid of that. That's why I'm talking about kids. Few fouls. What?
People like that they trap themselves in a career in essence. There's always self-identity because we're talking about like, we're talking about like, we're just not able to say, we're not able to say, we're saying, we think they are in X. But for a very young age, I'm connecting the dots now to the rest of your life. Even now, you were a kid on this day.
And that's not one else. That's not one else I can do with ballet. It's such a different end of the day. You just want to associate one of the other.
And I wasn't, we were speaking just a few minutes before we came on here. One of the things that my mom used to say to me is, I don't want to tell you what you are. Don't be patient holes. I mean, you go find out, and explore and find out what you are.
And you've got to have experiences to get to that point. It's not happening. It's not happening in your childhood. When you get to become an adult, you'll start working your way from now on what you are.
And I've always thought that's a grandeur of that school. I could be ridiculed. My mates wasn't on the boys on your state. But at the same time, I was confident enough that, oh, you really got a bad idea.
Laughing. I'm not good at football. I'm not good at unphosphorus. I'm on your state and my age group.
I can keep holding hold of the boys. What? There's nothing wrong. If you ask that question, you're going to tell me to go out and find out who you are.
Did you ask that question? I think that question is not really an answer. I think you're always evolving. So I've been saying something to you today, I think my answer about you said more like something is a different way, but I'm not going to do a piece of holes.
And that might aim in my life now. But people think you take it all. If you've been on these amazing things of football, I've done really well for a lot of knowledge about science. But I don't, that's not enough of me.
My next phase of my life, I don't remember. When someone sees me, my success in my next phase of life is when someone sees me and says, that's real. And they mention something that I'm doing all that at that time. Not that's real.
If people in 10, 20 years, that's real, that's real. I really keep on really done what I'm here to do to set and set it out to do, which is to evolve and become something different and make something myself something else. My family, well, I'm not successful. They're always to us, make something yourself.
Be something. There's no barriers to that. That's the way I've always come from, for what I think. What if I said to you, now, how would you feel if I said you can't have anything else in that?
Like, for the whole thing is it? And now it's just a lot of love. It makes me laugh. I don't see barriers.
And I'm fortunate as well, but I understand that. I've got a position where there are a lot of boundaries that have been put down for me to put me to sleep over because of my career as a footballer. And you'll get in. And now it's somebody's been really successful in your field.
So you see that color and age, et cetera, get put to the side because obviously it's not as big of a barrier to entry for certain things for us. But then you still got to go in and produce. You still got to go and prove yourself. And so even things I've gone on the board now for a company, a gym group.
It's an area where it's at my comfort zone because I like fitness. But I don't understand the business behind that. And it will come together on a number of different management and to be a part of the conversation. That stuff is what interests you for interesting stuff in the workings behind the mechanics of all these other business.
Different industries. So that's what I like. Yeah, but I always find something where I can clear on to that. I'll just try and find something within a conversation that allows me to get into the game conference through talking to that conversation.
I might understand everything. I'm in a conversation that's closed. I'll be somewhere looking and finding out. I didn't understand how cool that person back or cool someone on that call.
Just to clear up a few things I haven't quite crossed. But it was something within that conversation where I feel like an asshole of value. I think all of that is a very interesting one. I'm going to say, well, you're like, you're going to get on a cleanest without a bumper road.
You don't get, you have to have bumps in the road to be able to get their experience in one moment. So when you are there, you know what it's like. And you can drag people up with you. Yeah, and you become stronger with more people.
I saw there's a lot of people that get to the center on the right, and they don't understand. Probably don't understand. Definitely not. Definitely wouldn't inquire, because my choir actually makes a bunch of people with a bunch of people.
Yeah, a lot of people who get to the center on the right is going to be going up. I don't agree with that. I won't share it in helping. Because that's a foundation of me being stronger success.
But it is, I don't know. It's an important thing for me as well, which I'm never scared to do with the ask questions. Same thing with what we don't understand so we're not just telling you or coaching you. Don't go away and have a bit of a blurb idea of what is because then you'll be judged on that, not understanding and not executing.
Exactly. So you won't have it. You've got to understand what is before you can create a habit. So that's what I'll try and always ask questions if I'm wrong.
If I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, if I'm sure I'm not sure, I'll certainly not be asking questions. Okay, so you're a cheap, cheap, successful legend and you're still voluntarily throwing yourself into really uncomfortable situations. We don't need to be in. It's a fine thing, but you don't need to be in terms of like, this is you don't need to be there.
And it's funny because there's loads of people with that aren't having to do that. That would never burn something to an insane. But it's back in the city. I'm going to be wanting to stay with it.
Yeah. Exactly. And all those people who say that something like, oh, I just want to say, yeah, but they're scared to open up because of that vulnerability and then feed somebody if they're told that you're wrong, but it's not. I'm not like everyone's on the surface for reasons and it's not people happy just to be staying in the situation and be very happy just going on that road and no spikes or jobs.
I'd rather have a drop at some point, but to get a load of spikes and come somewhere through, you'll be able to do something. You're a great chat with your friends from your estate. I have a group chat. I need to reset your career because I was there watching.
But just, you know, I was thinking about you, you look at your friends from back home and stuff. And the topic of conversation, something I talk about on this podcast, which is there's a growing culture of like softness. There I say it and avoiding discomfort and also there's a crazy thing on this moment, which is like demonizing hard work. Because of the mental health revolution we've had, everyone's doing great things everywhere is the impact of this mental health.
There's another thing which is like, well, you can overwork and you can burn yourself hard work. If I advise as much an hour, even if I've never met someone with anyone's in this, you didn't work hard. Then I'm somewhat toxic because I'm telling people that's successful hard work. Yeah.
And it's like you're looking down on people. Yeah. And I don't agree. None of that.
I'm not going to work hard, man. That should be just an absolute normal ass of any person. And I always talk about our kids. They're a big partner.
That's all I've got. I'm going to talk about school football. You're sure that's one of the great things that we've got a lot of activity about the COVID situation in this country. Stand up, and set your homes all in.
And when we break things down like this, we're asking the family, these kids know their choice. And they're doing them properly. And I was like, do your choice right? Because then have it there.
We'll need to learn things in your life and forward. Your fault. If you don't take your cup, it's not your class. It's not your class.
It's your class. It's your class. It's your class. It's your class.
It's your class. We just all work homework, et cetera. It will be the same. You'll have to understand this everywhere.
But you scared that because they've grown up with a different circumstance. What you had was this conversation. You're going to say, yeah, I'm trying to instill that in them. How do you know?
That's your very nice house. And that is the guy who comes up with this that the answer to that is the main man. Because it's so difficult to understand the podcast today with Eddie Hunt. And he's like the generation of my children.
So he's rather was successful. And he was wearing my children on now and you're saying that one of the things that he was scared of being that rich kid. Yeah. So he died with nothing to be successful.
So he was the same. He's exactly the same. All freedom. All freedom.
All freedom. All freedom. All freedom. They've gone out to, they never had to work.
Their parents would spoil them. And they've all knuckle down and said, yeah, we've been given an opportunity. No, you're going execute. And they've gone executed.
And I think a moment man, who's over here? Who's the father of the modern guys? And this was a two man. You must be so happy.
What do you mean? You kids, man, what they're doing? How they work. Create these wicked businesses.
But you get an opportunity. But what they've done with that, you can't be disappointed. So none of them. For me to sit in and you see them, what they're doing.
That's where I want to be, man. It doesn't matter how much money you make or how they get a business business. My success as a parent is the market. They're like, oh, they've got to work ethic.
And they do stuff the best of their ability. They can do that with each other. And they do that. I think you know, if you like the foundations for a good life you kids.
Well, you know, you talk there about having a plan that's been working with your kids. This is something that clearly, you know, it was demonstrated when you got to watch out. And you joined that tonight with a record transfer. But how did how did they create high standards at all traffic versus the other project played out what your best time leads, et cetera?
What was it they were doing that kept those standards so high? You don't have to talk about them to keep your own team. Low standards. And type the negatives in the change.
But what was it that they were doing? All not doing. Because I don't have a cat and it's a 19. But I'm like, so we have it.
Right. Every day we have it's with responsibility. I can work ethic, attention to detail, intensity, when you're trying to train a pitch, respect each other. But all those things just come together and it creates a culture, that club.
And I've been at West now, I mean, it leads two very good clubs, great clubs. But they didn't have that culture, which meant there was ability to win. But it starts in some of the socialization of what you want to have a thing. So you knew how to create that culture.
You went to that too many night. Didn't have that when you were telling that time. He created that. And it also ends always in great leadership is definitely what gives you an opportunity to be successful.
And I noticed that for that matter. And when you set the foundations in great leadership, you don't have to either have to be there every day in that sense. You're training on every day. How many times can you be talking to your coach?
You want it to one hand? Really? No. No.
It can be trained on. When every day. Because you knew that culture was set and then you had new tenants. That me, gigs, gigs, and you never would et cetera.
Who would then fill it in that down? Any of the other plans on new signs? You didn't know the culture yet. And they're not the most blessed kind of the culture leaders.
And so it was crazy. And even for instance, if you wasn't the training ground, you're trying to train an intensity, you might drop that little 1% 2% because imagine that you didn't feed him that. Or you could be finding the same thing. But he was not interested in training.
But he's present alone. And it just made me look back and think leadership is just key. And we're talking about the best in that. You're not investing in the leader.
The people, the people. It's so important. I think of industry as like that. Where I'm from and that's what it's like there.
But since I retired, that's where I'm located in other industries 100%. If I saw the culture, because you're right, what you said there was basically like, well, sometimes I think it's actually a change. If the culture is strong enough, people become like a culture. If the culture's weak, the culture becomes like a 100% million.
You couldn't play any better. And I'll give you an example. Like, and I didn't say as quickly as that one. That was a couple.
But that was a couple. of times. And it was like, it was one of my greatest ideas. And it was a number of paternal people that I've seen.
And I was like, I'm going to be like this. So it's like, I got to tell you, how do I have people to look at, I'm going to get to play. I need people to come to need some. I don't need people to look at.
We couldn't see them. And I'm like, what? Like, it's like, what are you doing? or you definitely wasn't an integral member that's what.
So it was definitely like, so the culture is just you have to become part of that culture that you're going to, if it's strong enough. See this in business, okay? I feel like the perspective you've got from being an exchange of being an exchange of being an exchange of being an exchange when we've been company, I realized that I had to be like, do you drive that 100%? And like, you've got to point what you described is people would understand who we were without a time to say and you have your type of basic introducing people to be company, that's not such a change in the future.
And we get all the time you take people to have to get and for example, the crazy thing about this is when the culture is that's wrong, it's so easy to see someone's sense of it. Actually, one of the guys, two guys, my team, so I'm having a conversation. I'm like, I'm very, very nice, I said she can't be his more. Because that's what we are here.
And my team like, but we need her for this time, we need her for this project. I was not compromising, I said, no, we're having her. I didn't have to lose the job. I can't use the same team.
I can't have my name attached to culture. We have people in it, people like that. So she comes in. People think about it, it's a kind of weather.
And it wasn't until years later, you came back to you and they said that moment, but you weren't willing to let that person when you were doing the team because they weren't the culture, they didn't do that to me. It was exactly right here for me. I'm not going to make my noise. Because I didn't recognize that.
It was intentional. I just wanted to enjoy my life and come to be a really, really close time way. And I felt that's what we needed to succeed. And in hindsight, as you said to me, I'm like, it was being undergoesurable, right?
Yeah, and that's what started. It was great. If he saw something, it was going to be detrimental to the club. It was out.
That was an unagogical. Even if he needed them, so you're the right kid, he's a captain, he's a leader. And rules are broken, you're gone. He can be powers going out of the space, go.
Bringing all sorts of eyeballs to the football club, make an international play. Yep, Sam, they sent half in the world at the time. They said something about something about something. Goodbye.
We finished the road, the best number nine in the world, at the time, goodbye. If you don't fit the culture, and you don't adhere to the rules that are there, good night. And when we went around, we were around other people. And wait a time, you see anything.
Because you can't sell the big man. Jesus, who's coming in like that? Number seven, so all the shots, everyone has a number of go back to the black people. Like crazy.
Same with the original. You think you can have a good score, and who just wants to go? And we're not always a really young experience. But yeah, that belief in that vision just to that.
It was the culture of everything. And that's a great platform. Yeah, it was a great level of time. So true, man.
And again, like you say, that reverberates around the classroom. You better stay in line. You better just live by the rules that you're already. And stay part of that culture, the hardware intensity, the respect.
And so that you would dig out the most experience by all. You won't even know anything. You'd sit down and go, what are you? Why don't you shout at me for?
Like, he was doing that to you, because he could take it, but you're fixing it. Have all your ones. Do you have one? So play in the mind game, man.
I love it. It's good. But you're like, you're saying it's all about that. But when you sit back in that bubble, you think, that's why I didn't think about it.
But that's why I plan it. Yeah, yeah. And I'm right now, or I'm wrong, whatever. That's why we think about something.
You went just lucky, man. So you obviously was plotting them, planning that stuff. I wonder how much of that stuff was intentional with him. In terms of like, I'm sure he was going back in the planning.
It's just like, who he was. I sometimes think, you know, you're not coming to clubs and you'll try and be like, but you can't act for that long and consistently. Because from what you're saying about failure, it's like, it's not like, four things you do. It's 1,000 things you do consistently, which show his values.
And you can't act for 27 years, whatever it is, across 1,000,000 points. So it's like, how do you teach that? It was just a sense of just thinking to failure. Yeah, I think it was a sense of just him.
And I've got his experience as well. We played a big party in that. He looked for 26 or so years and 17 years. So that's a valuable amount of experience going in that time.
But I was looking at that. When I went into the main nine chain room, I was like, what's that there? And just looked around and thought, who's good at what? And let me just take elements of these people and out to my game and my preparation and my recovery.
And that's why I've done writing, it was great in recovery and preparation. I'm yoga and stuff like that. I took that out of these books. Working leadership, the way I did stand it on a daily basis, goals, best levels in training everyday.
And all the other things I was trying to be like, little people are parts of different people. And that allows me to grow into a bit of a bit of a bit, a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit, et cetera. And I think that's the same with other industries and business since I was talking to like, you're going to try and be like someone else you can't fail. And I think that's the way I'm trying to work with stuff now in my life.
There's no one person that makes me the best of all to be. But a group and take it from everywhere. I've got a bit of a chance. People know about the things that you're about working those.
But other than that, I know people say, I've got someone up and up and up and up and up. You know people can talk about things. We think you're not actually thinking we've got the most successful if you didn't do that thing. You know, people die of and people retire.
You only remember this stuff really. You only think about what they were. They were existence before becomes magnified and they're built up even bigger sometimes. And I think that's with him as well.
Because you just don't. I think of instances of what are tactics you've got wrong. That's easy to find. But people always makes the right way like him.
People think that's the answer to racing stuff. And the situation that I've been talking about over the years, I've got a whole lot of gs away. So he, the situation I've been with him and John Terry. And I decided not to wear the next one during that period.
Once a year, all the things I've given to each other, it's show racism and red card. I'll get rid of the cases of the campaigns. I wasn't going to wear it because I didn't believe that they supported enough in the during that time. So I'm not wearing it.
He went crazy. Find me. I was like, we end up in the game because I was lucky. The next day, I went into his office to just try and explain to him why I hadn't wanted to teach it.
And to be fair, he said, you know what, I understand. And I'm sorry for the way I reacted. But that stuff like that, he might make a mistake or done that run, but he's rectified. It always come back around and get you back around somehow.
Because he was just like a, I know he just knew how to do with people. He knew how to treat people to get the best at them for what he's mangled was. That's the thing that's something that's inside. You're going to have to do with people, read people, treat your team, join.
So that they're ready for it all through. Because he come in a room and he's taking it up, play him. And obviously, you want to scream and you'll be like, you're going to be boiling, but you leave the room, and you're going to change them. And you're sitting there doing a lot of compiles, not talking.
Because he told you to do your playing because I need you for that game. You miss this one, this is the game, but you're going to play on Tuesday. Like, no, you miss a game. You want to go on the cry about it, Joey.
But he managed to build you back up. And that's my management. And in industry, that's like a massive part of, again, the culture. But maintain it's a sustainable company of successful people.
You need to have people pick them up. Look them down sometimes, we'll be able to keep them on that track. The contradiction I hear within like, this is where you account silent, because that's the way that's in newspapers. It's about that you're going to fall back in.
And this guy, he wants to do the sidelines. Looks like he's out control. But it's like super self-aware. And that's just pretending to be out control.
We've talked about all the time, so she made a lot of it. And we've got to talk about people that talk about people that don't even stop you. I love it. I've got to say, I love it.
I'm not going to talk about that. I'm just always talking about the manager. And like, you look back at everything he's done, was that calculated like the way you spoke on the TV, blaming the ref. So that very rarely didn't come on TV and ever having another place in visually.
We could lose a game. And the referee will be in front of page next day. Like, he's making us think about us. We're not down in the bottom of the system.
So the referee has changed us. Sometimes you've got this by yourself, kind of, but he makes it enough for a kind of building and a building. But also, the focus is over there now. Not on the team.
So we've got again without that pressure. Or we lost the noise anymore. The referee was a reason. I mean, just like that, it's just like calculated.
This is what I'm doing for the goodness of my team. The payment on my team is good man. But people think you work with a greater chance on how you're talking about. Sometimes you get part of the hand in the sense.
What is still? What role does the hand play lead to? Because you see him fall. But if you follow to scream at people in the same way that you did to other brother or whatever, when if I just find it with a table and said, if I can't remember again, that would be, that would be cancelled with every couple of couple of hours.
I'll talk about it as well. Now we like, some of the stuff that we talked about when we're talking about memories and what we're talking about. How we start to sound. What's happening in the changing room.
It's never happened in office. Because it's not, you say, it's like, that makes you just over. It's gone too far. Whereas you can have a fight for a ball.
And then you shake your hands and have a lot of them to show off. It's just a different way of working. But I think it's understanding people. I don't think you treat any two people the same.
In that sense, the blanket treatment I don't think is the best way to treat a team. If everyone takes advice, if everyone takes risks differently. So if you've got to pick the right people to be able to show out, the people are probably going to be going around. And that's about, as a manager, a captain, knowing that team, knowing that player is individually.
Always coming into work and coaching everybody is not, I don't get it. I don't think you can create that environment for success if you're coming in on nobody. And I don't want to be trying to write traits. Because I knew everything about everyone.
But if you're not going to be in the hospital once, we're not going to be twice in the plans after a game. New one, that's how you drink. Brandi, the flowers don't come on, tell us. That's not there.
Then people come to work for you every day after stuff like that. And the other thing, it will details. Anytime I dive into it, it will be like, oh, you're not going to fall. It's like, a little percentage is not that.
Just like, okay. It's like, those little gestures help you. You know, they don't care about you. Regardless of what happens on the training ground or in the match.
Fundamentally, you care about what you want to do well. And you know, it means you are. And so I think by him, presenting as a foundation, it's clear that having that foundation allows him to put pressure on in the right places. It's things.
And you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, you might, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing my fine. Really? Because it was that line.
You can have a little laugh here and there, but in the end of the day, on the major. You guys do your thing there, have a laugh, etc. But then there's a line you don't record. So, but you just got it right.
I think that's the difference as well. He would have learned that. And a lot of guys say it was even crazy before you got it. But he was younger.
So, he's obviously, well, he worked hard as well. It's what it did. The new generation of player couldn't take that anger and that craziness, like the old generation. But we imagine it was a large generation.
It could be that with the next ones, the younger ones, the Anderson's and the Ninies are now, etc. That's not the way they would, they would, they don't respond as well. as that type of criticism and anger and aggressiveness. What was anger?
It was time to take a bit of access to it. And you're in that crazy one year. That was crazy. What was anger?
It was time to take a bit of access to it. And you're in that crazy one year. That was crazy. It was, it was not, it was funny.
It was actually funny. It wasn't funny. But the manager was, he kicked the boot in anger because he asked me to do something tactically. And he didn't carry out.
And it's an anybody, but now that's playing, nobody, he wouldn't have hit a target away. It was, it was so clean. And boy, it's low, man. Bang.
And it hit him in. That was upset. But up on what he got from the gaffer was devastated. So he took a scene, he looked at me sat down, he was just something almost like, he definitely went.
He kicked the boot before he kicked it in anger. And he accidentally hit it. And then he hit it. And then he looked, he never stayed with it.
But that was one that was, I had a few strikes, but in terms of, I didn't agree with things that he'd done a couple times in short. I was screaming, he didn't take too much of it. And he lost it. And he just would go purple over top of your spray stream in front of your eye.
That, that's crazy. So, but he was, what he wasn't a person, which is how he respected it. And you kind of have it kind of, it kind of always was I was watching away because you knew that deep down you just wanted to do well. I mean it wasn't addictive, it wasn't personal.
Just do what I'm telling you to do, and you're moving. How'd you say that? That culture isn't enough. It's all friendly now, and everyone's made several ones in that.
Everyone's made some content on each other's personal social media. So you're more attached to someone. You're more involved with someone. Whereas before, I'll only see certain players twice a year, home and away.
So I've got no attachment to you. So to me, I have a bit of an amount to go at you a little bit, and I've got no quons about doing that because I can see again. I might see you at England, but I don't know about that three or four times a year. So colleagues, exactly.
We're not really meeting you. Whereas now, the internal oil shaking coming in. You're not going to touch your behavior. It's very different.
Not so bad. It's different. So going into a battle into a game, I've got no emotional ties or no social media ties to anybody. So they seem to be a bit more, I don't know if there's more passion before, so nobody seems to be like this.
Because I think all of this stuff is social media makes it a bit more fluffy, and people are hugging and shaking hands and not because they've spoken or had a message or a post very different. You might mention that when you're on the observations that you have all the time, it's like, why is there something that's a nice challenge? I mean, last week there was a tweet from the press people, and it should have caught something kind of quiet down the field. Basically, screens are unen and everybody's like, I can't find whatever.
And then also, living with whatever, watching Ollie fist bump managers with smile and face. We've been growing up as a nice fan, with a few little fucking furious, even have to look at the opposing manager. And it just feels different now. And then we look where we are and have a feeling in the big games and we're not really that we're all saying that we're coming at ourselves.
But everyone always comes onto the history and the process, that's the problem. That's the problem. You just want it to be like, it was the fault, please. But it's never going to be the same.
It may be a successful or you're the most successful one, and it's like, it will never be the same. So our expectation of sometimes just have to change it a bit. But yeah, I mean, again, I was coming in anyway, because like, for instance, I remember Joe I picked a hug and fist bumping, et cetera. And I told him we were fabulous.
And we were mad rather than passing up on that point, that pizza game and rest off. And it either hammered off that PK in our changer and we'd be doing it before going into the internet. Or it would make fun of him a little bit. There's two different ways you really cure and get someone in line.
I became a real firm. And he probably got both. But it was, if that was a change of change coming, it was coming. And obviously, social media, I think it's alright, definitely.
I mean, it's a lot of interesting. It's running here at the moment. It's very full. No, no, no, yeah.
We know in there, we can travel a lot more. We'll let people come on. But I remember hearing this very about the excitement that you had with him. And I wonder if he was talking about that.
I had a lot of games in the club, he comes into training, he tells you that you're not going to be playing for a club. He gets enough. Yeah, of course. There's nothing that anyone could tell me.
It wouldn't make me feel that was the wrong way. We've got to do that. No, I'm not in the same way. You're talking before in the season.
Because he's not waiting. But the difference is it's a forgive for a lot. It means it is to be able to say thank you for your support etcetera. Just have that all the way to a center of this.
And I'm not able to have it that way. But if you know, you've got opportunities to give someone the best possible route out of situation, you give it to them. And my situation, I think you can see down the line from the month to month before that, you knew what was happening with me. So give me opportunities out of the best possible center.
Give them the time. Give them the relationship that I built with the club. So that was my only discrepancy of the whole way at work time. Because it wasn't like, oh, actually, in Egypt, it's just an Egypt decision.
So I think there's no time I feel about it. But we've gone past that season with the phone about there, which is a thing that we meet at times. That's cool. But there's some more moments.
That's my late incident. But that's what I say incident is to actually make wider philosophy. In the same way that Fergie had his own wider philosophy of like, you know, you can granddad the flammers. That's why I philosophy.
So that's just one instance. I think the risk that I would see. And when I hit things like that, I think, well, that's the philosophy of not really caring being that pathetic. It's going to be popping up in other places.
Right? Like 100%. And again, I'll be sure culture about 10 times already in this conversation. Yeah.
But that's culture. That's a culture. There has to be, like, say, compassion, empathy, respect. People here, been here for 30 years, 40 years, 20 years.
My daddy's so working. My mom used to work here. That's a family club. My new life was that when I was there.
My fear is it becomes something else. Some of the waiting stuff. I have a box of me at night. And it's funny.
This is what the staggering thing. But for me, because you don't think all the waiting stuff in the box, I'm going to notice a cultural shift at a club. But they would tell me. They said to me, you're in Fergie and they would go here.
It was different. And how did it touch a waiting stuff? That's something because they know all their names. Yes.
That's what they said to me. They know all their names. They have a relationship. They're passing through the past and giving you a stake.
And I just thought that was staggering. That's, you know, if it helps strong, the culture must be a hand-portal, it must be for later, giving you a chance to be like different now. The dinner lady at the training ground actually starts on the way here for me. It's just me, it's me, it's me, it's me.
But the dinner lady Carol, she could have been with her at the manager or David Gil. Like, first name terms. That would have been spread over a number of years. So they could go, but never proper back and forth.
You knew the name of the grandman. That is like, and if I'm at night and night, now that is the part where I'm going, that has to be recreated. Bring that back. Because that's a shrimp.
Because before that shrimp, the numbers, that's the foundation of all of them. People coming up, they think, oh my God, they will make it. They will feel part of it. That creates, because that's what we're talking about.
I think that's what I come things like that. And like, you sleep together, people are working there. That was a big part of it. Because everyone thinks it's the first to have a team, the first team to play.
That's many nights. It's not. It's the fans. And it's all the people who work behind the scenes to enable that first, and that's what's going to create a platform.
And then people out around that aren't working. That's not how you say all these people to keep man, the fit of the physical nutrition, the dinner lady, et cetera. These will help you enable you to be successful. So don't forget that.