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Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. And this is Pierce Morgan.
No, it's not. I need a job. I need a job. He never shuts his pie hole.
It's a new co-host. Well, yeah, that's the problem. He actually speaks his mind. No, he doesn't speak his mind.
Give me a break. He was, like, ghosted by her on a date, which he talked about extensively. Oh, my God. He was ghosted by who?
Meghan Markle. Oh, really? I did not know that. Yeah, try to keep up with this shit.
Let me tell you. He talked about it. He was like, oh, she didn't call me. Listen to me.
He doesn't get to speak his mind. He's, like, a weird... He does this constantly attacking women. He's like, this is...
Really? You really think it's... I think it's a weird obsession with her. He, like, goes all out on her, and it's really hot.
He was ghosted by her. That's what he said. That's a good idea. He used the word ghosted, yeah.
And that's what that guy was referring to. He doesn't speak his mind. He's a pig in the way he talks about people. It's just gross.
Actually, it's an insult to pigs. It's an insult to pigs. Hmm. That's how you really feel.
I just find it, like, ridiculous that, like, you, like, immediately run to saying he speaks his mind. Like, anybody, any drunkle can say anything at a dinner party to say, okay, with you? I just don't think it's the case. I'm sorry.
I withdraw the comment. Pierce, Pierce, you know, this is outrageous, and I'm looking at, you know what, if they don't bring Alan Alda in as a new daytime host, I'm going to be on strike. No, no, I'm like, listen, who am I on the show with right now? You're a very smart coach.
Yeah, someone who's only ridiculously fucking liberal instead of wants their statue cemented in a history of hoakness. No, no, no, no. No, he is, like, he has a history of doing this. It's a history.
This is, like, every white man continues to be a friend. I'm all of those things. I am all of those things. Always at the top.
They're always aggrieved. They're always victims. They forget to say what they want. While he has, like, whatever million people on his Twitter feed, he's got a TV show, he's got a column, and then he claims victimhood.
It's exhausting. It's exhausting. I agree. This is exhausting.
What's our next story, Sarah? BuzzFeed announced massively out of the Huffington Post. He acquired the Huffington Post from Verizon Media last month, and, of course, it announced a lot of the stuff they did was people were very good reporters, you know, who were more focused on reporting. A lot of people that stated more, who, not the people that stated, but they're focusing more on, obviously, numbers and things like that.
So what do you think about that? That's just... I don't know about you, but I have just had an angry, white, aggrieved media company. I have just had it.
I have, like, you yelling at me about being a liberal. It's like... Yeah, that's clearly where it's headed. One of us is yelling at the other.
That's clearly where this is headed. This is like FNL. You remember Jane, you ignored slut? Yeah, I remember that.
I'm glad you said that. It's okay. That was a great... That was a great show.
So anyway, what do you think of these consolidations of media companies? It's just going to continue. Well, look, kids, when I say kids, I mean, students will come into my office hours and they want to talk about the topic. They want to talk about careers.
Right. And they talk about digital media and digital marketing as if it's this robust ecosystem. Digital marketing is an outstanding career as long as you go to work for Facebook or Google. And if you look at media companies, we tend to think that the proxy of the four-looking indicator of success is old media versus new media.
And it's like, oh, it's legacy is a newspaper, which means it's going out of business, but it's online, which means it's going to accelerate. And the reality is that Huffington Post and BuzzFeed are much less durable than the New York Times company or even Gannett. Right. And that is, they have not figured out a customer acquisition model.
They haven't figured out retention. They are constantly getting gamed by Google and Facebook, who starts all the margin out of the traffic that they try and get there. And basically, the internet is all flowing through a couple of touch points. And if you want one of those touch points, you just slowly but surely leak value.
We're seeing a huge consolidation. There will be probably one or two winners that are able to consolidate, lay off people, and get the profitability. I think actually our company, Vox, who looks like it might be the last woman standing, so to speak. But BuzzFeed and Huffington Post, quite frankly, lists.
I never understood the attraction of HuffPo. I never understood its positioning. I never understood its differentiation. I never understood its kind of...
I'm sort of first out there with a lot of this stuff. I mean, you know what I mean? But in your mind, what is Huffington Post's editorial view? I don't know.
BuzzFeed has lists. I'll give it that. They have lists. I don't have more than that, but they have some very excellent lists.
But what does the Huffington Post stand for in your mind? I don't know. I think they bought it for traffic, I guess. I guess for traffic is what I assume they bought it for at the time, at that moment, because of that.
But they did manage to acquire some... I think Ariana went all over the world, opening Huffington Post Canada, which they closed down completely, and some other things. And I understood it in a bigger sense, but not in an actual sense. It didn't make any sense to me to be opening outposts all over the world, just because.
She's a visionary. The thing is, a company that's able to raise cheap capital, which is Huffington Post was able to do, what you want is promise and performance. And the reality is, a visionary like Ariana and the notion of having journalism on the web and having a celebrity kind of journalist every once in a while, all of those who are oxymorons. The bottom line is that the performance has immense promise with BuzzFeed or Huffington Post.
That is an excellent way to put it. That is an excellent way to put it. I think probably there's news around a SPAC around BuzzFeed, of course, as there is around Vox and others. But there's definitely a lot more noise around BuzzFeed right now.
So you wonder if they're trying to clean it up for a SPAC situation. Yeah, I'd say the momentum, and we're pretty critical. We're not afraid to bite the hand at BuzzFeed, but I would argue that the momentum at Vox is different than the momentum at BuzzFeed. I think our momentum is actually...
I think we actually have momentum right now, and I would argue that maybe just the media coverage of BuzzFeed, but I would say the momentum, at least the perception, is the momentum is not good. And you want to go into any public offering. The one thing SPACs aren't doing yet, and they probably should, is going after distressed properties. You would much rather be a shitty growth company.
When I say shitty, I mean buying growth in non-economic terms than a company that has real assets but is declining in revenue. Interesting. So anyways, but SPACs will get there eventually. SPACs will start going after distressed properties.
Yeah, 100%. This is an interesting time for media, once again, but I think you're not going to see the end of consolidation as these things sort themselves out. Maybe they can make their money via NFTs or some other way. I'm joining Pierce Morgan's SPAC.
He agreed white male SPAC. You're not like him. Let me just say. Well, thanks for that.
Thanks for that. But in any case, just watch him for 10 minutes. I like Chelsea Handler. He and her got into it.
I always thought she was great. She's great. Just watch him for 10 minutes and you'll get the whole point. Anyway, I will stop with the agree white man thing, although there was an interesting story.
Oh yeah, I'm sure we're never going to hear that talk back again. Well, it's just every day. Well, I'm glad that's over. Every day.
It's like, oh God, and they go on about Dr. Frickin' Su's, these people. What is their problem? Can we talk about that for a moment?
Yes. That's just a capitalist move. Yes, exactly. A stupid windmill.
That's very good. You should be in journalism. A stupid windmill. I don't think I've ever heard of stupid together.
Listen to me. I'm just saying. Well, you're a charming nuclear reactor. That's good.
That's all you put up with, my aggrievedness, my whiteness, and my maleness. One thing that's nice about your aggrieved white maleness is you're often right on certain things. Let's go to the big story. Just because I'm angry doesn't mean I'm wrong.
That's true. Here's the big story. Roblox went public this week. Let's talk about the company and what's next for the video gaming market.
The Silicon Valley Video Game Company, it's an indie video game company, opened its first day of trading at $64.50 a share that was up more than 43% from the reference price of $45. That valued Roblox at $41.9 billion, up from $4 billion just over a year ago when we were talking about it, Scott. In the last year, $56.9 billion was spent on gaming in the U.S. That's up 27% from 2019.
Not a surprise. A lot of people at home. So talk about it. Well, I don't know if you remember, but a certain podcast in Q3 of last year said this thing was a gangster when it was valued at $3 billion and said it was going to be a monster IPO.
So why did you talk about it? Walk us through your thinking on that. Well, it's not a video game company. It really is a platform.
And what they have done is they've learned from the sins of the father and they've recognized that, okay, what does Facebook do really poorly? One, they lie to us and try and find concern about the well-being of our children. And this company actually has made substantial investments in content moderation. It is truly a platform where it tries to more than just stroke their fingers to the hands of their creators and then put a bullet in their head and start to all the margin from the creators.
I'm sure the revenue is going to actual creators. Yeah, okay, go ahead. I mean, I believe they paid out to their creators a quarter of a billion people. And they're not actually in the business of development.
They're in the business of creating a platform. And it's more dispersion. It's like, okay, the people at Activision or Blizzard shouldn't get to decide what 11-year-olds want, what video games they want to play with. If you're an individual who comes up with an idea for a fun, cute little game involving kids and farms and 11-year-olds love it, we just get it out there.
We disperse. We lead fraud the traditional video game industrial complex. And we give you a portion of those rents. No one video game, I think, has more than 10% market share.
And the numbers are just staggering here, over 50%. There are more people under the age of 18 on Roblox than there are not. So this is arguably... It's interesting doing this thing, what you're just saying, taking these sins of the people before them and making a safe gaming platform for kids.
You know, it is important. You know, it's absolutely important. I had the longest time struggle with my kids and the video games. And because the large platform was that put them out, it just creates something that...
It's interesting. Any of these companies taking the mistakes made, like a Shopify to an Amazon or... That is exactly the right analogy. Exactly the right analogy.
So there are 12% again today. So how does this whole space, not just Roblox, but what else should be, you know, hey, we're watching this happen. Let's make this. Well, there's what I call the immunity strategy or the zag strategy.
And that is when a huge player is creating hundreds of billions of dollars in market capitalization and it's zagging. For example, it is using massive investment to create so much traffic and one can compete with it. And then slowly but surely partnering with its retailers on its platform the way Vibus partners with the host. And that is keep it alive just long enough so you can soak it dry, i.e.
Amazon. And then Shopify comes in and says, you know what? We're not going to be, quote unquote, obsessively focused on the consumer. And as a result, basically treat our customers, our retailers like shit.
We steal their data. When their business becomes too profitable, we vertically integrate into it. We decide what goes in the box. You don't know who the consumer is.
And Shopify said, we are absolutely going to focus. We're going to zag. We're going to let the retailer control the customer. We're going to give you the data.
We're going to give you the branding. We're going to let you decide what goes in the box. What is public doing? Disposure on investor?
All right. Robinhood, the number one player, has created $30 billion supposedly market capitalization if Goldman Sachs is willing to be a total fucking hypocrite and take this company public. What do they do? Public says we're not going to sell order flow.
We're not going to be bro. We're going to have 40% women. There is an enormous strategy of shareholder value creation around what I call the zag. And that is when any one company creates this type of slipstream or air cover that creates hundreds of billions of dollars, look at the externalities, look at the viruses it's creating and saying, what immunities could we bring to market that are totally different than what's happened here?
There's going to be, TikTok is zagging. That should be a nice look zag. TikTok is zagging against social, against video platforms. It's trying to be cleaner.
It's trying to be more optimistic. It's not allowing people to start insulting each other in the comment section. So there's, your analogy is exactly the right one. Roblox is saying.
Talk about where this goes because, you know, this idea, again, it's up 12% again today. I think it likes creators is what you're saying. That's the second part is that the respect creators get tired in a system that's more predatory, I guess is the right way. Well, it's an abusive relationship.
YouTube is very good at publicizing the 15 people that make a million dollars on YouTube. But there are 15 million people, creators on YouTube, making less than a dollar because YouTube figures out a way to search almost all the margin out of the relationship. And they have been just incredibly fucking greedy and have, and Roblox is saying, okay, the key here is our partners, our creators. So even, I think even TikTok's trying to be more generous with their creators and say, all right, how do we get the secret sauce here is leveraging other people's creative talent.
And so where I think it heads is, I think there is what I call a zag in every major market. Your guy from Neva, he's creating a zag to Google. Yeah, he's right. He's saying, okay, what's the problem with Google?
Google started out as the best place to get to the right information and slowly but surely Google has become a place that takes you to another place they can further monetize. Why? Because the advertising model is the tobacco to nicotine. It's the shit that gives you cancer.
And so as your buddy at Neva said, I'm going to make it subscription-based and I'm going to have the temptation, then my focus will be to take you to the best place based on your query. That is a zag strategy. I think that company is going to be a monster. They just closed their seed round, I think.
And he strikes me as incredibly impressive. Yeah, he did this cover. He did. He did.
He's a really interesting guy. And he knows. I think I had him to a class of mine and he was talking to the students why he did. He said I felt like I was part of something very menacing, essentially, which is interesting.
All right. So what's next for the video game industry? What happens with these big ones that are sort of like a record industry and then they pick winners and then shower them with attention and also take a lot of their value, essentially? What happens?
That's how the video game is. You have these big video gaming companies that then publish these things. Same thing with the book industry, everything. It's dispersion.
Bring it home to dispersion. Well, effectively, dispersion is kind of a pedantic, agreed white male way of saying when you leapfrog the traditional players. So Warner Brothers and Wonder Woman 1984 have leapfrogged traditional movie theaters. And they said, look, it's better for us to create more shareholder value if we pulse HBO Max by creating value and not taxing people by saying, all right, you've got to see the movies away 12 weeks.
So these guys have said, all right, we're going to leapfrog the traditional gatekeepers. What would be interesting is if Sony or Microsoft create their own platforms and piss off the big game developers and say we're going to let individual creators have access to this platform. So I think it's really exciting. Roblox at this valuation, I'm not a buyer.
I think it's an amazing company. But you know who else is zagging that just filed for their IPO? It's Coursera. Coursera said, OK, there's this traditional enforcer to caste system called elite universities and we're going to zag and try and bring the cost down.
They went to MOOCs and they went to short form courses. They, according to the rest of the line, I think they just filed for the public, they did a quarter of a billion dollars in revenue. So anyways, my point is, and I think this is a lesson to young people. When you see, for example, Tesla, Tesla now has, even with its Tesla has sold off 35% in the last four weeks, it's extraordinary.
But even with that sell-off, but it's still, it's unfair to say it's a sell-off because it's worth a half a trillion dollars. It's worth the entire automobile industry, even after its sell-off. That is going to attract competitors. And I think an interesting analysis, if you're in the automobile industry or you're just a young person trying to think through strategies to say, what are the externalities or what are the negatives of Tesla?
And what automobile company could zag? Because everyone's zigging. Because of the difficulty of the technology. 100%.
But it's an interesting exercise to go through. I'm just using this as an example. Because by 2030, Volvo said they're going all electric. By 2035, GM said.
So everyone's zigging. Is there an opportunity around something else? But anyway, my point is, as a species- It's not a giant gas-guzzling car. What do you think?
Well, those were, that was what saved Detroit. I mean, during the first time you saw Hummer, you thought, oh my god, the species is going to go extinct. Yeah, but the Ford 150s, you're right. Yeah, so I think, anyways, it's, I love the zag.
I love the zag. The most innovative companies of the last 10 years, I think, have been companies people don't talk about. Shopify. I'm going to tell you zag from now on.
You're a zag. Zag? You're a zag. I don't know your superhero name.
You just zag all over the place. You'd be like, Scott, calm down. Slow down. I like that you're licking me in the context of a superhero versus the aggrieved white guy.
Many superheroes are, but if you think about, you know, Iron Man's pretty aggrieved. He's always mad. That guy's not aggrieved. That guy's a gangster.
He is, but he's often like mad. There's a lot of mad superheroes. I would say Hulk is an aggrieved white guy. Oh, yes.
He's basically a scientist that didn't get tenure. The majority of my colleagues at Stern are the Hulk minus the muscles. Oh, man. Nothing like a mad professor.
Oh, yeah. That's scary. That's it. I'm going to throw my PBS tote bag at you if you continue this.
That was good. I just saw it. You don't like tenure, so they must love you, right? They must love you.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm very popular around those parts right now. Yeah, someone mentioned that to me.
I was in NYU class. About how much they don't like me? No. they were using euphemisms like well Scott's an interesting character he causes a lot of discussion around here I was like what are you trying to say he's a pain in the ass is that what you think no he's a breath of fresh right he's a breath of he's a breath of carbon monoxide when the garage door's been closed no I gotta give it to him they are so much generous and patient with me than I would do with me unfortunately the teams have been like wonderful generous people anyway what are we talking about where are we bring us back in Scott's talking about Scott again alright we're gonna go to a quick break when we come back that was a very good call on Roblox I'm gonna give you credit there you know what he had a great time he goes to the local neighborhood court here in Shaw and plays with all the kids they were all wearing masks it was nice the mean streets of Colorado it was nice I never think they're mean streets here there's lovely people who live in the same room so anyway he 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do you think what's going on here obviously Facebook's got a slap back it's going to be interesting I see this as coming down to a battle between a lot of the judges that were appointed by the Trump administration that never I think are probably more sort of bork antitrust and more about let the markets go where they go although we'll see this has been a bit of a bipartisan issue versus two total gangsters professors Tim Wu and Lena Kahn and they've both been appointed to post-abin administration and you do not want to talk about Lena Kahn's going to the FTC and then Tim Wu is joining the National Economic Council she's an inspiration she's like 17 and is a legal scholar and Tim has the ability to just bring stuff down to kind of very basic like you listen to him say something well that makes sense so I think it's super exciting that both of them are in the administration I think they're exactly the kind of people that you want wrestling with these issues such that you can trust that they will come up with really thoughtful decisions they're somewhere between you know to recognize the grays and the importance and the need for capitalism for markets but at the same time recognize the concentration of power that occurred and the signal Tim is joining the technology competition policy at the National Economic Council and the FTC they're considered anti-tech they're not anti-tech they're anti-monopoly and I think that what we fail to realize is that breaking up monopolies will be really good for tech it just might not be good for Facebook or Google CEOs I think it's going to be good for the shareholders it's going to be great for their employees to have more organizations bidding or trying to rent their talent I think it's going to be great for markets great for job growth great for taxation so I would argue that professors Wu and Khan are very pro-tech I just think they're anti-monopoly which by the way is a very Republican capitalist positioning although Republicans should mess with success is often their argument they seem to be less sympathetic this feels like a bipartisan issue to me yeah it does I think it would be really interesting to see what kind of influence they'll have and the road to confirmation because when there was a report of consomination whether it was true or not Mike Lee who I think he's really won many cards short of the deck he said the consomination if true was deeply concerning and he criticized her youth and experience it's just ridiculous she's really she's a kid essentially Ms.
Khan no doubt has a promising career what he's saying like it's a bad thing for God's sake we're talking about technology I know we want a strong firm figuring out how to regulate let's get strong firm and dug up from the great national search I know right so anyway so then he said her views on undertrust and force are also wildly out of step with a proven approach to law I mean honestly she's fucking John Travolta in step she is literally on the disco floor with that young woman in step she's got step I think he's really lost the narrative as they say Tim's book his 2019 book was Curse of Bigness Antitrust in the New Gilded Age it's a great book that is a great book I read like two books a year and that's one of them that was an outstanding book and also I'm very careful not to put too many tech people in big positions like big prominent positions they don't want to do there was a rumor that Eric Schmidt was going to be an administration and progressive groups were like mm-mm-mm-mm-mm like that kind of thing I think that's a tough one yep yep so this is going to be interesting so Facebook's obviously going to fight back hard here they're going to hire every lawyer that they can get their hands on and try to push back on this but I do feel like this is the worm's turn worm's turn we'll see they could have some wins they could have some wins they're very clever people there's some really books that are coming out that are not so pretty there's Shira Frankel and Cecilia Wang have a book coming out in July that I think is not it's called The Ugly Truth I think it's called Facebook that's the name of the book so I think there'll be a lot of reporting on what happened within there just right when this stuff is coming out so we'll see we'll see anyway we're going to move on to listener mail alright Rebecca please play the question it's for Scott you've got you've got keep the lead I'm going to be a mail you've got mail hi Scott and Cara Scott is a former student of yours leaving a message here my name is John based in Los Angeles and I have a question for you about what's going on with the Sony sale of the PlayStation 5 console it seems like there's a significant violation of the Consumer Protection Act here the Consumer Protection Act is clear that we have the right to be informed about the quality quantity potency purity standard and price of goods to protect the consumer against unfair trade practices Sony and its retail partners have done nothing to stop bots from buying all the stock how is this not a violation of the Consumer Protection Act thanks so first off John it's great to hear from you I love hearing from my 5500 alumni so thanks for reaching out so this is 5500 young minds infected or affected I said infected infected yeah thanks for that anyway so scarcity value is really interesting and essentially like everything that's linked to instinct and that is previous generations or in you know olden days you were really smart instinctively or it was an instinct to become obsessed over scarcity if you sense a scarcity of food suppose we have a third of the spinal ganglia of our brain is in our gut you became obsessed with finding food the moment there was scarcity of it you became obsessed with finding a mate if there was a scarcity because survival and propagation are really important and that is still with us this notion that the moment we perceive whether it's artificial or not and it usually is artificial scarcity the value the perceived value of that product skyrockets so in this case so you go buy a Panerai watch and you go into a Panerai store and they're going to tell you we don't have that model or there's only seven and it's not because there's a supply constraint on the parts and movements it's because luxury has mastered or tapped into the instinctive need of scarcity and they create artificial scarcity to increase the value the latest real gangsters around perceived scarcity are these new NTFs that are trying to convince you what Sony's decided is if some people some actors whether they're good actors or bad actors moving with bots and create the illusion of scarcity it drives up the value and all of a sudden we become very focused even obsessed in getting a PS5 the problem is the person that pays for that is just the average household that just wants a PS5 when it comes out so do you what is the trade-off schools universities higher education have massively tapped into this bullshit notion of scarcity Harvard Harvard has the endowment that's applied the technology to increase their freshman class tenfold but they want to create scarcity because they're drunk on luxury and believe their air mass is not public servants so scarcity value and understanding it and understanding how to leverage it and trade off short-term revenues to create an obsession instinctual an instinctive obsession with getting more of that product is an incredibly tough business strategy and that's all that's being applied here the question is whether or not does it violate FTC or does it violate antitrust I don't know at what point does a bot become a person if I leave my computer and program something to notify me is that a bot or is that a person I don't know but I think the interesting thing here is how great brands and companies leverage scarcity value yeah yeah and yet not powerful for consumers well there is some psychic reward to believing that you got something that has scarcity value we still have to talk about NFTs at some point which we will it's been seven minutes it's been seven minutes and I want to trigger you Pierce Morgan he's my hero he's my hero he's my hero I think you make a lot of sense a lot of sense all right we're going to take one more quick break that was an excellent answer I'm going to be really nice to you today because that's the only thing that seems to work today well that's a great goal in a partnership is that what you say to your wife I'm going to be nice to you today here's the situation I think we just struck a long-term partnership and you're like what in just a minute you're like no oh no oh no I'm stuck with this lady for a while you're the future ex-Mrs Galloway in a professional sense we will delve into that situation later but right now we're going to take one more quick break and we'll be back for predictions okay Scott prediction time because you're so good on Roblox and one thing I'll have to note I predict you're going to be on Bill Marr's show go on go on I don't know what you're talking about what did you say you've been invited finally to the Bill Marr's show tell me about how you feel about that what are you going to talk about I think I'm at the end of the day I think I'm like Lyle Lovett and that is they bring me on the talk show hoping that Julia Roberts will come on I think they're using me to get to you but I don't care I know I think they're much back on anyways anytime I meet someone who's nice to me I'm like I watched Piers Morgan before you now go ahead the honest truth is I don't know what we're going to talk about I imagine we'll talk about my book post-corona from crisis to opportunity but Larry Whitmore who's as you said is lovely and funny he's on the show as is Anna Gerwitch she's a wonderful author that talks about family dysfunction which is redundant yeah there you go it's tomorrow I love Bill Marr you're of the same mind in many ways I think you'll bond I think you'll bond I think you'll bond rather well are you going to Los Angeles it's kind of fun to be honest yeah I'm flying out there this afternoon unfortunately it's not as much fun they are very responsible and it's inspiring they do rapid tests the same day no congregating studio audience assistance as a matter of fact they have two panels instead of three so everyone can sit one six feet apart yeah you'll have fun it's a great set it's a really fun set and also the studio there's usually a party afterwards and you're not going to get through that that just sucks that just blows maybe you and like California is having real troubles getting everyone although some people it seems rather disorganized everywhere of course okay what is your actual prediction so like Roblox gangster kind of re-engineering or dispersion of video games I think the IPO to watch and I need to dig into the S1 I need to understand the pricing but I think the term Coursera and Coursera IPO are going to be terms they're going to be in the business news on CNBC a lot and I think Coursera IPO I'm not going to predict what the IPO is going to do until I dig into and understand the numbers but the consumer pick up here and revenue here and the company is still losing money but Coursera if the IPO cements and the lead up to the IPO cements their brand as sort of the leader and the pioneer in the dispersion of campus to online learning you could have a company that could really rocket on its IPO and pull the future forward without additional capital so anyways my prediction is that just as no one had heard about Roblox four months ago and now everyone is talking about it we're about to go through the same upward cycle of awareness and value creation disperception around Coursera did you notice that Cinder Pachai answered our question about Google Coursera he did? yeah Cinder himself did he's so likable I know isn't he did he tag me or did he just tag you? he did he tagged you don't worry he tagged you he said it was a response and he said Professor Galloway and Cariswisher we just announced it's now open for Google career certificates in data analytics product management and UX design and he specifically tagged you wow that's nice okay don't break him up I like him I like him I mean that's how easy it is well maybe Google isn't that bad that's how you're so likable yeah he answered your question you were wondering about the same thing someone asked Ryan Merrill asked whatever Google certification program you and Cariswisher talked about nearly a year ago and then soon our answer he weighed in he weighed in so a little bit more 50,000 plus have graduated from our IT support certificate and have prepared for careers in IT we're now adding Google career certificates in data analytics project management and UX design expanding our consortium of employers of hiring graduates there you go that's nice 50,000 people yeah there you go that's serious there you go you're making an impact Scott you're having a oh yeah this is all about me thank you you seriously you play me like a fucking fiddle you're like you're like okay I've smacked him a little too hard you're like I'm happy for you you'll enjoy it I think you'll be great. More people should have a little Scott Galloway.
Two things. Two things. The first is, I feel very manipulated. And second, I like it.
I like it. I like it. It works for me. It works for me.
The world of HBO Max, at least. We'll get to see Scott Galloway. We all know. Okay, that's the show.
I'm excited to watch it on Bill Maher. We'll be back on Tuesday. You can tell me about how it went, how Los Angeles is. I love Los Angeles.
Love L.A. I love L.A. As soon as I get vaccinated, I'm flying out to L.A. I'm going to get a cop salad at Beverly Hills Hotel.
I'm going to do Carnies. I'm going to get an outburger when we land at the airport. Oh, that's good. There's a good one on the way, too.
Love L.A. Yeah, I love L.A. There's a great lunch place. It's so inside, though.
I don't know what their rules are right now. I see my fraternity brothers at dinner at a place called Mastro's or Mastro's in Melbourne? Yeah, yeah. It's Mastro's.
Mastro's? Yeah. You're so down in L.A. I love L.A.
I spend a lot of time there. I miss it so much. I have many friends there. Anyway, go to NY.
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