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EPISODE · Apr 24, 2025 · 58 MIN

Seeing People in Their Full Complexity - A Conversation with Jessica Nordell

from Free Range Humans · host Gino Beniamino, Rod Allen, Jal Mehta, Jessica Nordell

Jessica Nordell holds degrees in physics from Harvard and poetry from the University of Wisconsin, where she was the Martha Meier Renk Distinguished Graduate Fellow in Poetry. Her unique blend of experience allows for a writing style that combines rigorous science with a poetic compassion for humanity. Highlights from her conversation with Rod and Jal include: an opening anecdote that shows how a gender transition exposed biases in the scientific community; a changed first name that forever changed Jessica's career; background and history on unconscious bias, and why we all carry it; anti-bias training exemplars that provide hope for meaningful change; why bias work is ethical, and when done well, incredibly rewarding; a powerful story of transformative empathy in law enforcement; and a lightning round that explores everyones' reading style. Check out Jessica's book: "The End of Bias: A Beginning–How We Eliminate Unconscious Bias and Create a More Just World"And newsletter: "Who We Are To Each Other"Questions? Thoughts? Feedback? Email us at  [email protected] or Tweet us at @jal_mehta and @Rodroad219

Rod and Jal welcome award-winning journalist, poet, and science writer Jessica Nordell, author of "The End of Bias: A Beginning–How We Eliminate Unconscious Bias and Create a More Just World." Together, they explore the origins and impact of unconscious bias, and how small, intentional shifts in thinking and behavior can bring about powerful social change—especially in education and public service.

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