EPISODE · May 28, 2026 · 12 MIN
SOLO | Make Money by Facing Fear, Chasing Purpose, and Embracing Discomfort - Lessons from my Michelle “Mace” Curran interview
from Travis Makes Money · host Travis Chappell
In this solo episode, Travis breaks down some of his biggest takeaways from his conversation with former Air Force fighter pilot and Thunderbird lead solo pilot Michelle Curran. Known by her callsign “Mace,” Michelle built an extraordinary career flying F-16s in high-pressure combat environments before transitioning into public speaking and authorship. Travis reflects on the lessons Michelle shared about fear, imposter syndrome, high achievement, and what it really takes to pursue a meaningful life. On this episode we talk about: How one visceral moment completely changed Michelle’s career trajectory Why competence is only the baseline in high-performance environments The truth about imposter syndrome and why nearly everyone experiences it How misapplied fear keeps people from taking action in everyday life The downside of relentless ambition and constantly moving the goalpost Top 3 Takeaways Fear is often misapplied in modern life. Most of the things we fear today are uncomfortable—not life-threatening—and learning to distinguish between the two is critical for growth. Imposter syndrome is a universal human experience. The people who succeed aren’t fearless—they act despite the fear and build confidence through repeated action. High achievement and dissatisfaction often come from the same internal drive. Ambition can fuel incredible success, but it can also rob you of celebrating meaningful wins along the way. Notable Quotes “The doubt isn’t the problem. Pretending it isn’t there—that’s the problem.” “Anything worth having in life is going to be difficult to get. That’s what makes it worth having.” “The drive and the discontent are the same engine.” Connect with Michelle “Mace” Curran: Instagram: @mace_curran Other: Michelle Curran Official Website A Word from Our Sponsors: - Are you ready to start your own creatorjourney and make it big? Visitwww.fanvue.com today and launch yourcareer!- To learn more about Mode Mobile and its investor community, go tohttps://invest.modemobile.com/travismakesmoney-Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency.Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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In this solo episode, Travis breaks down some of his biggest takeaways from his conversation with former Air Force fighter pilot and Thunderbird lead solo pilot Michelle Curran. Known by her callsign “Mace,” Michelle built an extraordinary career flying F-16s in high-pressure combat environments before transitioning into public speaking and authorship. Travis reflects on the lessons Michelle shared about fear, imposter syndrome, high achievement, and what it really takes to pursue a meaningful life. On this episode we talk about: How one visceral moment completely changed Michelle’s career trajectory Why competence is only the baseline in high-performance environments The truth about imposter syndrome and why nearly everyone experiences it How misapplied fear keeps people from taking action in everyday life The downside of relentless ambition and constantly moving the goalpost Top 3 Takeaways Fear is often misapplied in modern life. Most of the things we fear today are uncomfortable—not life-threatening—and learning to distinguish between the two is critical for growth. Imposter syndrome is a universal human experience. The people who succeed aren’t fearless—they act despite the fear and build confidence through repeated action. High achievement and dissatisfaction often come from the same internal drive. Ambition can fuel incredible success, but it can also rob you of celebrating meaningful wins along the way. Notable Quotes “The doubt isn’t the problem. Pretending it isn’t there—that’s the problem.” “Anything worth having in life is going to be difficult to get. That’s what makes it worth having.” “The drive and the discontent are the same engine.” Connect with Michelle “Mace” Curran: Instagram: @mace_curran Other: Michelle Curran Official Website A Word from Our Sponsors: - Are you ready to start your own creatorjourney and make it big? Visitwww.fanvue.com today and launch yourcareer!- To learn more about Mode Mobile and its investor community, go tohttps://invest.modemobile.com/travismakesmoney-Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency.Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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