Texas Independence Without War: Jason Fry on a Peaceful ‘National Divorce’ (Ep. 171)

In this episode, I welcome back returning guest Jason Fry, author of National Divorce: A Plan for Peace and a sixth-generation Texan, for a deep-dive conversation on Texas sovereignty and the practical path to a peaceful, legal separation from the federal system. We discuss why America’s core ideas—freedom, limited government, and God-given rights—aren’t the same as today’s federal apparatus, and how a “national divorce” can mirror a civil, negotiated split rather than war. We unpack state-level readiness (like the Texas Stock Exchange), fiscal realities, defense and currency considerations, the role of local leadership, and why a democratic referendum—not force—is central to any legitimate path forward. We also revisit recent border showdowns, post-election polarization, and how independence movements across states (and worldwide) illustrate that decentralization can reduce cultural conflict by letting regions self-govern. We touch on Jason’s faith and family perspective, his career and craft as a knifemaker, and the importance of preparing personally and politically: build strong families, support capable local leaders, and insist lawmakers let Texans vote on their future. Jason shares where to get his book (and a signed copy) and makes the case that a thoughtfully negotiated transition—much like Brexit—can protect prosperity and peace while aligning government with Texas values.  Watch LIVE tonight at 7PM CT Rumble.com/JoeRooz YouTube.com/@JoeRooz FOLLOW US ON:X: https://x.com/joeroozFacebook: https://facebook.com/joeroozshowTwitch TV: https://twitch.tv/joeroozInstagram: https://instagram.com/notjoeroozTikTok: https://tiktok.com/joe.roozMinds: https://minds.com/joeroozGETTR: https://gettr.com/joeroozSpecial thanks to:Executive Producer Wayne RankinExecutive Producer Rosanna RankinExecutive Producer Carolina JimenezExecutive Producer Angela WetuskiExecutive Producer John SeeleyWant to be a guest on The Joe Rooz Show?Send Joe a message on #PodMatch: https://www.podmatch.com/member/joeCheck out our partners:Podhome.fmCreative EdgeMusic: https://youtube.com/@pogo️ New to streaming or looking to level up? Check out StreamYard and get $10 discount! https://streamyard.com/pal/d/5724294587940864(00:04:10) Opening from Eagle Pass and week-in-review(00:06:23) Weekend shows: crypto picks and Bible study on wisdom(00:11:19) Guest intro: Jason Fry on National Divorce(00:13:06) Tech hiccups, Starlink chat, and warm-up banter(00:15:16) Getting to know Jason: background, hobbies, family(00:20:00) Faith, family, and politics: roots of Jason’s views(00:21:32) Texas politics frustrations: taxes, speakers, priorities(00:25:16) Outside money in Texas elections and state sovereignty(00:27:30) California-Texas migration and cultural friction(00:29:00) Upcoming guest tease and 2025 sovereignty signals(00:29:38) Gold depository, TX Stock Exchange, and preparedness(00:32:33) Does a friendlier DC slow independence movements?(00:35:08) Polarization, violence concerns, and the ‘Judges’ analogy(00:41:24) Shelby Park standoff: near-miss cautionary tale(00:43:25) National Divorce explained: the marriage metaphor(00:49:52) Addressing ‘civil war’ and treason accusations(00:51:14) Can independence reduce polarization across states?(00:55:23) One-size-fits-all governance vs. diverse states(00:57:36) Perpetual union, realism, and consent of the governed(01:04:03) America as an idea vs. the U.S. government(01:08:36) Federal overreach and the case for robust federalism(01:12:42) Post-breakup cooperation: trade and defense possibilities(01:14:43) Independence movements beyond Texas(01:17:37) ‘Post-TEXIT’ worries: Social Security and practicality(01:20:51) Ballot access hurdles and party platform irony(01:22:23) Who really funds what? Federal taxes and returns(01:25:32) Donor states, spending priorities, and defense costs(01:27:06) Keeping Texas dollars in Texas(01:34:34) Immigration: borders, rules, and enforcement swings(01:36:54) Executive orders, rule of law, and systemic drift(01:38:15) How to prepare: personal resilience and local politics(01:41:42) Let the people vote: referendum vs. legislature’s fear(01:45:25) If it passed: process, not tanks—Brexit as model(01:51:10) Negotiating currency, defense, and bases post-exit(01:51:15) Why D.C. violence makes no sense against a vote(01:54:40) Final case: divide on purpose, negotiate in peace(01:56:36) Book plug: National Divorce and where to buy(01:59:22) Show wrap, calls to support, and programming notes - Joe "Rooz" Russiello - Marisa Lee - Jason Fry - Wayne Rankin - Rosanna Rankin - Angela Wetuski - Carolina Jimenezhttps://www.joerooz.com/supporthttps://www.joerooz.com