The Allenstown Four

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries, Tales from Appalachia. Alright, welcome back. Hello.

Hello. What's up? Oh, you know, I don't hang him out. Sit on my couch, shoot me in the breeze with me.

Came to visit again. You didn't run into your friend at the God check, did you? Oh, I did. Yeah, I did.

It was fine. Yeah. No, no, no. Papp down.

No, it was just kind of like a quick, you know, no, I didn't do a knot. Let me a buzz me through. It was fine. But just, you know, a slight like eye wear gun.

Just one should have never. Right. Just kind of like, you know, the steely eyes. He has that.

He says that. He says that. I kind of go through it. I'm like, whoa, when we're running to him in a dark alley, no, in a good, like, like, like, protective way, not that he's like a creeper.

Right. He would protect you from the creeper. Right. Right.

He definitely gives that military life. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So did I tell you about outside Dave? Yes, but she should tell our audience. Okay.

I was horrified by the photo. So, okay. So I also wanted to see it. Law's are short.

When I moved into the house that I'm currently renting, there was this random cat that was wandering around. We have, you know, live, I live in both a neighborhood and like farmland. It's very odd. Neighborhood farmland.

Like we're zoned for agriculture, but like we have our house at six suburbs. I don't know what's we have. So there's chickens everywhere and then also cows and, you know, so the occasional goat. But so that means whatever is roaming and whatever animals roam around.

There's also cats everywhere because we have last trick cats. And this cat has been around since I've lived there. So almost a year. And I thought, you know, he had a home because there's a lot of college students that live nearby where I'm at because they rent some, like, there's a apartment complex and whatever.

So I thought he belonged down there and I was like, okay. So, but I felt bad for him. So I fed him. So I fed the cat.

Yeah, he's never gone away. So now he just lives there. But he's feral. Like you can't touch him.

He says, we have seen him before. Yes. And I'm big fan of the show New Girl. And outside Dave is the almost man that lives outside their apartment building.

Oh, I did. So that's what his name is outside Dave. So outside Dave has just been chilling. I like made him a little shelter because our winter was ridiculous last winter and we were like negative two degrees outside.

It was awful. So I was like, well, I felt bad for him. And then I didn't see him for a while. And I was like, oh, he's gone home.

And he just wanders around. Anyway, I hadn't seen him for two weeks. I'm standing in my dining room looking at the window and I see a cat come by my car. And I'm like, it's like Dave.

And I'm like, I like, it doesn't have a tail. That's not Dave. Dave has a big bushy tail. I only looked back in my phone at pictures that I had taken him Dave.

And I'm like, Dave definitely has a tail. I'm like, that's really weird because that looks like Dave. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's another random cat.

I mean, because we have so many random cats that just wander the streets. And I was like, well, and then he climbed up in our little tree house thing and I was like, well, let me go out there. And I go and look, and I'm like, oh my God, that is Dave. And Dave has no tail.

So I thought, well, maybe, you know, clipped it to me or something. He had an injury or something. He got a bit of a vet and I was like, okay, well, let me, I'm gonna go inspect this. So I went and got food and I put it out and I circled around behind him.

No, his tail has been like ripped off. And there was like a piece of bone. Oh, she was bad. But like, it looked like it had started to heal over.

So it was definitely not done by that. Look, like it started to heal over and he was sitting fine. Like he still wasn't in pain. He wasn't in pain.

He looked healthy. Like he still had, you know, a lot of weight on him, like the big cat. Yeah. Had a lot of weight on him.

He ate and he was just chilling. And I was like, oh my God, what do I do? So I talked to some of my friends and they're like, well, you probably may have an infection or something. And I was like, I can't catch a stand cat because he's feral.

So I was calling our animal shelter, local one of the message and they never call me back, which was like rude. Um, but whatever. So I called and I was like, Hey, um, so we have this random cat. The tail has been ripped off by something I'm assuming coyote could be because even though we are a pretty residential neighborhood, we have coyotes.

I mean, they're everywhere. So it wouldn't surprise me if you got like chafed and tail bitten off by coyote. Um, what happens? Um, but I called and was like, Hey, um, you know, I don't know what to do because like as bad as I feel for him, like I'm not gonna, I can't, I don't have the funds, right?

To spend that much on a feral cat, right? You know, I hate that. So I put a thing up in our like neighborhood Facebook thing and was like, anybody know this cat kind of thing? Apparently you've been left by my next door neighbors, like two neighbors ago, like two people ago.

Um, so not my next door neighbors now, but like past owners of the house, um, had left him he was there outside cat. And now he just is the outside cat. Maybe they just couldn't ever get him and go, you know, right? And it could have been that he's been there forever.

Yeah. And people just thought it was theirs. Um, but I was like, I have to like trap him and that's traumatizing. Right.

And like, so I don't know, I don't know what to do, but he's, he's around. I fed him today. As long as he's okay and it doesn't look like it's getting more red or, you know, or if he seems like lethargic or he's not eating and then I went out and I fed him today and he's inhaled it and then just laid up there in the sunshine. Maybe it's kind of almost not a clean break, but you know what I'm saying?

Like it just hasn't caused an effect. Right. Like it's just healed over. Yeah, which is good.

So he doesn't mean any pain. He's eating fine. Um, it doesn't seem to be impeding him in life. We're outside Dave.

So outside Dave just chill him with that. Yeah. So sad. Yeah.

Maybe we'll post a picture of outside Dave and his, well, his glory. I just, um, I don't know. I'm one of those people that's like, you know, domestic animals that are like more domesticated, like, I don't know, just like, have indoors and like, yeah, you've got some like cats and stuff out there, but like, if they're barn cats, make sure they're like in the barn and you know, I don't know, like out at night and Romaine is just kind of, well, like your barn cats, you know, we have ton of barn cats and, but they like, they don't hold their own right and also know to get somewhere at night. Like you don't see them wandering around at night if you go out there.

No, they're not at the bars. They're up in lofts like hay lofts and you know, they're, they're good. They're fine. No, no, um, but Dave, I'm not going to say tussled with a coyote.

I think I mean, he lived to tell the tale. He did. Oh, with no tail. Oh, that's terrible.

Yeah. So he didn't live to tell the T. A. I know there's no tail.

Oh, bless it. Such a big fluffy tail. Oh, for Dave. Well, that's that.

But we'll see you next week. I'm going to say how good night's. Wow, that's where the story ends. That was the murder.

That was the murder of Dave's tail. What are we actually talking about? Um, so we're going to travel to New Hampshire. Okay.

Um, and I chose New Hampshire because we've really been to New Hampshire. I think I maybe was maybe I did. Yeah. Um, and I just was like, and I went to the coast of Maine, which was only at the lunch of the liver.

Um, and I was looking at a map the other day about, you know, how far the Appalachian region actually stretches and New Hampshire was included in that and like just kind of reading some of the history and things like that of New Hampshire. I'm like, yeah, I really do like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah They do. It actually just like, uh, lost on the trail as to where I did, you know, several episodes ago. She actually had gone through New Hampshire.

Yeah. She ends in Maine. So well, yeah. Literally.

Um, but, you know, yeah. So if we don't, we don't talk about some of these Northern areas as much because I think individuals think like Appalachia is just naturally southern. Right. Even I have that too.

You know that I'm like, oh, Appalachia. And then there's always like jokes about people from Appalachia. Well, and we think about it, I think more in the term of like the mountain range. Mm hmm.

And it extends so far beyond that it does. Um, and you know, south of us and we cover we cover not just like where the where the trail goes, but we also covered like Appalachian mountains, which the trail doesn't go through South Carolina, but the Appalachian mountains do. So that's, we encompass South Carolina, you know, anyway. So anyway, that's what it is.

So do whatever the hell we want. Where do we want? No. So we're going to talk about the story of Terry Rasmussen, Rasmussen.

Rasmussen? Yes, I don't know who's doing one of those. Terry. And I got a lot of my information from an article by Neil Patmore on all that'sinteresting.com.

Okay. Just super fun site for you, you know, on the picture. You know, just a pre-release. So we're going to go on back to November 10th of 1985.

I was a year and a half old. Oh, it was not even a thought. Your mom was a kid. She was November 10th, 1985.

Two brothers are hunting in Bearbrook, State Park, which borders Allen's town, New Hampshire. So we're in the woods already. Never bad side already. I already feel good.

Nope. So off of a trail, one of the brothers noticed an oil barrel turned on its side. And he's like, that's weird. Let me go investigate this random oil barrel.

No, don't do that. The bones have a foot. We're sticking out of it. Nope.

The brothers notified the police. Good on you. Yep. Who found the skeletal remains of a 23 to 33 year old adult woman inside as well as a female child of around 11 years old.

Oh. So you know, you're just walking through the woods and having a bon that. Sure. Awful.

Number one, we don't walk through the woods. Part of the reason is bad things happen in the woods. How many times have we said this? It's bad bedtime.

It's bad. It's bad. And a drum barrel just in the woods like that. Nope.

It's not going to look at it. There are woods, again, in my suburban-ish area that border our farm. These woods, and I've walked through them as a kid before I knew better. Yeah.

And there's always, we would always find all kinds of weird, like, tires and... Because people just throw shit at them. Like a random couch. Right.

It's always got spooky. It's very exciting. It's like, oh cool, let's look at where I was conceived. How about I was conceived?

What? I was like, how about you? No. No.

It's getting past repeat. If they named you after the place you were conceived, that's why nowadays all these kids are named like rain and woods and arrowhead. No, I'm just making it crap. No, but I mean, you know, Paris.

Phoenix. All the things. Okay. See, we just do it.

Hey Holly, hey, see, Lee. Okay. Back to the woods. Okay.

So fast forward 15 years later. Okay. So 2000. Yes.

Another barrel was found. What? In the same area. And it contains the remains of two more young children.

So we're up to four bodies. And three of them are kids. Three arched kids. Two barrels.

Okay. So during this time, no barrels have been found in between. No. But then suddenly there's a bit.

Okay. Okay. All right. So we're going to talk.

We're going to get there. We're going to bear back. Yeah. We're going to go on back.

Okay. So the decades long quest, you would say, to identify who these people were. Eventually led authorities to a serial killer named Terry Raskasan. He was, he had many identities and became known as a chameleon killer.

Okay. Okay. So Terry Peder, Rossasan was born in Colorado on December 23rd of 1943. He had lived in Phoenix, Arizona with his family and went on later to live in Hawaii where he was married in 1968.

He and his wife then moved back to Arizona, whether twin daughters were born in 1969. Okay. So family man. By 1970, Resnasan was a qualified electrician.

The family then moved to Redwood, California. And they had another child in 1970 and then another in 1972. So we pop him out. Yeah.

So we're having a brief separation. The family moved back to Phoenix yet again. And this is where Terry's web of deception and violence would begin. So odd that someone, because usually when you hear someone who's a serial killer, like starts young, like, yeah, first I was killing the dog and you know, like there's signs for this.

Right. Yeah. No, this is odd. We're going to just roll into it.

In the early 70s, Terry was arrested in Arizona. And in June 1975, he was arrested again for aggravated assault. So rape. Or beating.

Or beating aggravated assault. His wife, you know, was like, okay, this is enough. And she left him. Good.

Taking the children shortly after the arrest. Terry then would drift toward New Hampshire under the false name of Bob Evans in the late 1970s. Hey, do not steal the name of a restaurant that has a chain and not that many left anymore. No, they're not going anywhere.

Nonetheless, why would you do that? Chameleon. We follow. So he's moving to New Hampshire.

He's Bob Evans now. And they're like, you know, and this is probably where he started. I make really good country style. Come on out, y'all.

He's starting to kill people. That's not cool. Denise Yoden of Gulfstown, New Hampshire had some money troubles. She was kind of going through it financially.

Everybody has a hard time sometimes. They do. In November of 1981, she took her six month old daughter to her mom's for Thanksgiving dinner. Her boyfriend, Bob Evans, came with her.

They vanished after Thanksgiving. And Denise's mom thought, you know, she may have skipped down with her daughter to avoid her debts. Yeah. Just flee from your debts.

And, you know, and she never saw them again. Authorities believe that Terry may have brought Denise out to California and killed her there though her body was never recovered and probably killed a big year old. So her body's never been found, but she was known to be with him and then disappeared. She's not great.

Okay. In January of 1986, the holiday host, Arby Park in Scotts Valley, California got a new handy man named Gordon Jensen. Oh my God. He has five year old daughter with him.

A girl named Lisa. A little did anyone know Jensen was actually Terry once again changing his identity. Wait a minute. Okay.

So what year is this? 1986. Oh, do the math. Yep.

He didn't kill the baby. He took it on as his daughter. I know this story. Okay.

Go ahead. That's wild. That's wild. By June, he suggested that an older couple he had just met, adopt his daughter, Lisa.

What? So why? Why? Why Gordy?

Right. I don't know. Leaving Lisa with a couple for what he promised would be a trial period. But when he did return, Lisa was placed into protective custody.

So I'll probably take it in foster care. Okay. Hey, you too. Why don't you adopt my daughter?

I'll be back. Let's see how it goes. Let's do like a trial home placement situation. Right.

And I'm just going to catch this lift. I'll see you in a bit and then doesn't return. And then suddenly poor Lisa, who has not only lost her mother, her identity, but her pseudo-dad. And now she's in foster care.

Yeah. What the hell? Yeah. Pretty much.

I'm not a California for a DUI. And the name he provided then was Curtis Mayo Kimball. Of course. So he's now facing child abandonment charges.

Under Gordy. Under Gordon. Yes. So during this investigation of like what the hell's going on, the police fingerprint the RV that he was saying in at the RV park and confirmed that Gordon was actually Curtis, who was actually Terry.

Okay. So they're connecting these. They're like, okay. So same guy who got the DUI is the same guy who abandoned this kid.

Who was last seen with this woman. Right. They don't know that far yet. Oh, okay.

Gotcha. March of 1989, Terry was finally arrested on his outstanding warrant for child abandonment. He was sentenced to three years, served one before being released on parole, which is not, you know, that's pretty normal. Yeah.

Terry violated his parole the very next day. Of course you do. Then dropped out of sight for almost eight years. His daughter Lisa had been adopted at this point.

In 1998, police in California stopped him for driving an uninsured car with no driver's license. However. You can move. You know, he gets stopped, but they don't realize who he is.

So his. Because he has another name. The investigation went undetected because he's now going by Larry Vanner. Of course.

So he's going by Larry Vanner. He doesn't have a driver's license. So they're like, you know, they don't connect it. So the parole violation doesn't get kin, so he's not re-rested and you know, it's the whole thing.

Okay. So the investigation in Bearbrook into this first oil drum in New Hampshire was ice cold by the year 2000. Nobody knew who this woman was and child and nobody knew where the barrel was from. In May of 2000, a cold case detective decided to go back to the site, take another look around, at some of the remaining barrels because there was several barrels in this area.

It was kind of like a, I've seen pictures of it and it's kind of, it's not a sinkhole, but it's like a kind of dip down. So people just kind of throw that out. Right. Okay.

Just when you just chuck stuff in there. Okay. So there's several barrels. But wouldn't it be, I mean, they're pretty heavy, right?

So, I mean, they don't have stuff in them, but still like rolling them out into the woods and then. Well, it's one of those things that's like, they're hard to dispose of because like nobody takes them. I guess. Like when you have an old rug that you're trying to get rid of or paint and you're like, what do I do with this?

So, Haley suggested that I take my old rug to Goodwill and donate it and run away. Yep. And that's what I did. Yeah.

Because I'll throw it in the dumpster. Yeah. I mean, you can't take it. Like you can't set it by the street.

They won't take it. You can't take it to the dump. They usually take it. No.

So like what do you either burn it or you chuck it over an overpass? She also recommended I do that. I was worried about hurting people. So I didn't.

So, well, if you don't have good burn pile or good woods around you or, you know, an unpopulated overpass, what else are you supposed to do? I know. What does a girl do? So same situation with these barrels.

Okay. So this cold case detective is he's back at the site and he's looking at the barrels. So he's looking around and he's like, oh yeah, that's a barrel. Oh yeah, there's a barrel.

And let's close this one barrel. He's like, well, that doesn't look right. And he walks closer to it. And this is about, you know, 100 yards from where the 1985 barrel was found with the body in it.

And there's a pair of legs. Pursuing from the barrel. And he's like, that's not right. That's not right.

It's kind of hard to throw. So this is a barrel that contained the two girls. So we're back to this now. So he found these two girls.

Okay. The first was estimated to be around two to three years old. The second was just a year old. What?

They were wrapped in plastic sheeting and the two young girls had died by blunt force trauma. So they were beaten to death. Do we know how the older female and the 11 year old? I believe the same thing.

Okay. Same thing. Got you. Yeah.

In 1985, or the 1985 victims were then exhumed because they were like, well, now this is wacko. We've got, you know, we got to see how these are connected because it's just a weird coincidence that we now have. But still they had an identification. Right.

Okay. DNA testing confirmed the adult victim was the mother of two of the children. And the middle child was not related. So she was the mother of the 11 year old and the baby and the baby, but not the two to three year old.

Okay. So this means that these murders all happened in 1985. And didn't they comb the area? I guess they would have unless maybe another he held onto them.

Right. And then after like everything got quiet, he dumped again. Possibly. Okay.

So essentially these bones have been here since, for 15 years. Right. Okay. Wow.

Okay. So a forensic artist created composite sketches for all four of the victims because they're, you know, they're skeletal right at this point. The 1985 and 2000 victims soon became collectively known as the Allentown Four. There are a ton of books written about this.

There's a podcast on just this case. It's really interesting. And I'm going to have to listen. Yeah.

It's, it's, there's a whole bunch of stuff out there. Just look up Allentown Four and you'll find all kinds of information. So meanwhile. I'm going to write that down.

Good old Terry. And then California living as Larry Banner. He's dating a young chemist named Eunson June in 2002. June suddenly vanished.

Oh no. And Terry was brought in for questioning course. June's friends and family were highly suspicious of Van, which is what he was going by in her disappearance. They had warned June earlier that they had found her new boyfriend kind of odd.

His fingerprints were taken and matched to Curtis Mayo Kimbles, who we talked about. And he was also wanting for parole violation on 1986, Child of Management, Georgia. So they're linking them together now. Police search June's home and garage.

A corner of the garage contained a large mound of cat litter. Closer inspection revealed June's foot. Still in a flip-flop. So he used it to hide the smell.

Yep. In November 2002, Terry and all his identities was arrested for June's murder and parole violation. He was sentenced to 15 years to life. He was sentenced as Kimble.

So that's, he had that identity. I guess he had paperwork. I don't know how he did it. But he was sentenced as Kimble.

Uh oh, is that meaning there's a loophole? Possibly. Police at this time were unaware that they had a serial killer in custody. Until the mystery of the unidentified remains in the Allens Town oil barrels slowly began to unravel.

Okay, so Terry's DNA, or Kimble, as he's, you know, being known as right now, was compared to the daughter he had abandoned in 1986. The results proved he was not the father. He was not her biological father. Yep.

And authorities believed he had abducted her. Kimble refused to confirm who she was. In 2003, authorities opened up a case to discover, you know, who the heck is her family? Yeah.

Like, where did this get come from? The chameleon killer died in prison in 2010 as Kimble without ever facing justice for a fraction of the crimes he committed. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office notified New Hampshire authorities of Kimble's connection to the state. In October 2016, DNA extracted from the remains of the Allens Town war was compared to Kimble's.

He was indeed the biological father of the two to three-year-old girl discovered in the second girl in 2000. Dear God, he murders his own child. In January 2017, authorities were his- Who's her mother? Okay, so- Wow.

Okay, so much. It's a lot. And we're about to get into your favorite thing, genealogy. I love it.

Genetics, genealogy. Hot damn. We're about to get into it. Let's do this.

In January 2017, authorities released details of Bob Evans and the Allens Town 4, including his connection to the disappearance of Denise Spoden and her six-month-old daughter in 1981. Then in July, DNA testing confirmed that Bob Evans was actually Terry Robinson. The Allens Town 4, however, remained unidentified. This is where people like us.

Citizen detectives. That's right. They take up the case. I love it.

And according to true crime investigator Billy Jensen's book, Chase Dartmouth with me, which is very good, by the way, would recommend it. And it's about this case. They passed on everything they found to cold-case investigators. Librarian Rebecca Heath delvedeep into the message boards of genealogy websites going back for decades.

Okay, so. Ronda Randall grew up in your Allens Town and interviewed the residents of a nearby trailer park. Eventually, the owner of an abandoned store near the barrels admitted something to the amateur investigator. He suspected the murder was someone who did some electrical work for him in the late 70s.

A man named Bob Evans. In 2019, Heath rediscovered a 1999 ancestry dot com message board on which a woman was looking for a toddler missing since 1978 named Sarah McWaters. Her mother, Marley's Honey Church, had two daughters from two different fathers. Sarah was the youngest and her half-sister, Marie Vaughn, was the oldest.

And the one from Sarah's family had heard from her since Marley's, Marley's, Marley's, Marley's, left California in 1978. With a guy whose last name was Ross Mason. Think about the timeline. So 1978 to maybe 79, she has a baby with them.

You know. Yeah, I know. So a little later than that. Three of them are now identified.

They were identified as Marley's, Vaughn. Or Marley's Honey Church and her daughters, Marie Vaughn and Sarah McWaters. Ross Mason's own biological daughter from the 2000s, Veral, remain unidentified. And where the heck is her mother?

Yeah. So genetic genealogist. Yes. Barbara Ray Venter submitted the DNA from Lisa, which is what they're calling, you know, that's the adopted daughter.

Right. Lisa, we don't know if that was her actual name. Right. Into Jeddmach.

Mm-hmm. And it began the task of reverse engineering her family tree. She discovered that the girl's name was actually Dawn and she was the daughter of Denise Bowden. And while Bowden remained missing, presumed murdered, Ross Mason had held on to her young daughter in 1981 and naming her Lisa.

The Amazon 4 were estimated to have been killed between 1977 and 1985 when the first girl was discovered. Denise Bowden and her daughter Dawn went missing in 1981, which meant that Ross Mason had already moved on to another family. So when were these four actually murdered? So, I mean, that's an eight-year span.

Yep. So they have a narrow down to that time frame. Marley's Honey Church was last seen in California with her daughters in late 1978. Now, a pattern then kind of seemed to emerge.

Ross Mason didn't target strangers, but he targeted his girlfriends and their children. And apparently he even murdered his own biological daughter, which is crazy. For some reason, Ross Mason kept a child and it speculated that he probably kept her for easy access to the family. The other child.

Oh, and his father and I have a good child. Single child. You know, I'm just looking for, you know, someone who has kids too, who can be a little limited family. Yeah.

Terri's unidentified biological daughter traveled to New Hampshire with the Honey Church family before they all ended up in those barrels. Her mother was presumably murdered by Terri before he left for New Hampshire with his new family in tow. So I don't know if, you know, it kind of seems to me like he had used Dawn Lisa to lure a family in. But then when he left her, he must have had another kid with somebody else.

Or he met the lure, he met that woman and then went off, procreated with her, killed her, and then met the Honey Church family. And then said, let's move up to New Hampshire. There's more opportunity or whatever he said. So with all these identities, 30 years, Terri murdered, abducted, and deceived his way through several states.

And despite the chameleon killer long ago dying in prison, to this day, authorities still suspect him and other unsolved homicides and missing persons cases. I want to figure out who this poor toddler's mother is and what happened to her. I should probably have probably done. I'm sure she's probably dead, too.

Like, for like a grandmother, too. He was like been waiting all these years or an aunt or somebody up there. Yeah. Wow.

So that is a story of the chameleon killer. That was horrible. Not your story. You told it very well.

It's a stop. I'm going to tell you. Neil Patmore told it very well. Did he?

Okay. So Neil Patmore. I wrote this down on my notes in my phone and I'm going to listen to that. So whenever I have to travel for work or whenever my son is not in the vehicle, I will turn on a podcast and listen.

That's what that's down for. And I will listen to it. Yeah. It's troubling.

I feel like how on earth did this guy get away with it for so long? Yeah. For 30 years. Yeah.

And then he was so good at concealing and changing his identity that he was, you know, even when he was arrested, it wasn't his real name. I feel like I remember a story of Lisa and she was talking about, you know, peddling around in the trailer park and saying, oh, this is my dad. Somebody being like, I don't act like her dad or it seemed something seemed off. And it's interesting to me that he let her live.

Yeah. And then she was a favorite and then was she harmed by him in any way. Right. And just, and so strange.

Like he just left her with this couple. Oh, yeah. This sounds good. You take care of it.

Yeah. And so, no parent does that. Right. And like honestly that, I mean, like if they got he did, but that seems like that opens him up more, you know, rather than just killing her.

Right. So she must have been special in some way. Yeah. He must have.

And I don't know if people like that can actually care about others, but. And maybe it was too close. Like he couldn't commit the murder because he was like in this trailer and everybody kind knew him and they knew things about him. And so it felt too close.

He just had to make a break. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird.

I don't know. I take her with him and kill her. Yeah. I put her in a mirror.

Because my thought too is he had already met this woman. Yeah. And maybe the story he gave out to this woman is, oh, you know, she's going to stay with them and we're going to move here. And then when she started to ask questions.

So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

Well, that was that felt like a lot. That's heavy. It's heavy. I'm a stick puppy.

Yeah. There's a lot of interesting stuff out there about it because it's just so bizarre of like, yeah, it's just, it's such an odd occurrence that something like that could even happen. And it still just blows my mind that the area was a check well enough in 1985. Right.

You know what I mean? Like it almost makes it feel like, like how did you miss this? Right. Or did it get done later?

Right. So who knows? It's weird. It's weird.

It's bothering me. Go. So, I think it's really cool. It's really cool.

It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. And I feel like in my next career, that'll be a genetic genealogist.

I think you should be a figure. I'm going to talk. I'm ready. I'm going to be super cool.

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It really is. So I'm going to give a quick shout out to Tucker Georgia. Thank you. Thank you, Tucker Georgia.

We have a very large population from there who lives in. So very excited about that. Thanks. All right.

Hey, Lee. Until next time. Until next time. See you then.