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EPISODE · Apr 22, 2026 · 18 MIN

The Camp Counselor | The Emotional Weight of the COO

from Fixers & Founders · host Forrest Derr and Tony Lilja

In this episode of Fixers & Founders, Tony and Forrest are joined by Chuck Orzechowski, CEO of the COO Forum and a self-described “recovering COO.”Chuck shares his journey from the factory floor to the executive suite, pulling back the curtain on why the number two seat is the toughest—and most misunderstood—position in business today. We dive into the reality of the COO as the “Camp Counselor” of the organization: the fixer who carries the emotional weight of the team while bridging the gap between a visionary’s speed and a company’s capacity.In this conversation, we explore:The Camp Counselor Reality: Why empathy is the most underrated skill in operations.Winning vs. Freedom: How to align with a Visionary’s psychology to get things done.The Career-Ending Pivot: A raw look at a high-stakes leadership mistake and the "Sage Advice" that followed.Leading from the Middle: Why it’s better to have a great question than a great answer.If you’ve ever felt like you’re holding it all together while trying to lead through the "snow globe" of rapid change, this masterclass in execution and empathy is for you.Connect with Chuck Orzechowski:Email: [email protected]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuck-orzechowskiWebsite: https://cooforum.orgIntro & Outro Music: “Which One Is the Jellyfish?” by Aunt Cynthia’s CabinUsed with permission under a non-exclusive license.Bandcamp: https://auntcynthiascabin.bandcamp.comSpotify: http://open.spotify.com/artist/5XoG0H2D0vY58n32W8xI2KFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/auntcynthiascabinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/auntcynthiascabin

In this episode of Fixers & Founders, Tony and Forrest are joined by Chuck Orzechowski, CEO of the COO Forum and a self-described “recovering COO.”Chuck shares his journey from the factory floor to the executive suite, pulling back the curtain on why the number two seat is the toughest—and most misunderstood—position in business today. We dive into the reality of the COO as the “Camp Counselor” of the organization: the fixer who carries the emotional weight of the team while bridging the gap between a visionary’s speed and a company’s capacity.In this conversation, we explore:The Camp Counselor Reality: Why empathy is the most underrated skill in operations.Winning vs. Freedom: How to align with a Visionary’s psychology to get things done.The Career-Ending Pivot: A raw look at a high-stakes leadership mistake and the "Sage Advice" that followed.Leading from the Middle: Why it’s better to have a great question than a great answer.If you’ve ever felt like you’re holding it all together while trying to lead through the "snow globe" of rapid change, this masterclass in execution and empathy is for you.Connect with Chuck Orzechowski:Email: [email protected]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuck-orzechowskiWebsite: https://cooforum.orgIntro & Outro Music: “Which One Is the Jellyfish?” by Aunt Cynthia’s CabinUsed with permission under a non-exclusive license.Bandcamp: https://auntcynthiascabin.bandcamp.comSpotify: http://open.spotify.com/artist/5XoG0H2D0vY58n32W8xI2KFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/auntcynthiascabinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/auntcynthiascabin

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