Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Welcome back everybody. Hello.
It's Tuesday. It is Tuesday. And we're here. We are.
We are both in locations. I'm in my kitchen. I am in my little library room. That's right.
We are not together, but we are still bringing you an episode. We're still actually. Yeah, we are on Zoom. So if the audio sounds off, that's the next month's worth of episodes.
This is why, but you have to understand Hey, we'll. I am. So I I cannot. I feel like I feel like the world is conspiring against us a little bit because we think we lost an episode somewhere.
That's why there was no episode last week because we were sure we'd had one recorded like ready to go and we didn't know we searched up and down because normally my math's not off. I brought myself on my math. But we were like, we could not. I couldn't find it.
You can find it. Yeah. And so yeah, we just had to go with nothing. So sorry about that.
Yeah. Well, and then we were like, okay, well, we'll just report this next week to kind of get a block of episodes ahead because like it's busy time of year. I've got a vacation coming up. I'm back to school.
Like there's a lot of things going on. And then I had to call Holly yesterday and tell her that I has a positive for COVID. You know, when she called me last night that it was something bad. And you know, he calls me calls me for two reasons.
One, something really good. Like, Oh my God, we got recognized that the, you know, mall or, you know, hey, somebody's died. I'm dying. Something's not happening.
Right. So it was a ladder. It was a ladder. She's not dying.
I'm not dying. But I do have COVID. I had a runny nose and I was like, well, I'll have to take a test to be like extra sure. And it was immediately positive.
Yeah. I was like, Oh, crap. I even took like two more tests because I was like, there's no way I have COVID. And you were like the seventh person I've heard of this week, who's had COVID.
Like everybody at work has had COVID. Yeah. So many people at work have had COVID. So you're among friends.
Yeah. Well, I went to like a, like, kind of, it wasn't a van, but it was like a 90s style like DJ situation with some friends. And I texted one of them that the other day and was like, Hey, I have COVID. And she's like, well, you know, I haven't been feeling great either.
So I was like, well, you better take a test. And she sent me a picture of her positive COVID test today. Yeah. COVID is like the new STD in the sense that like, it's like, you know, oh my God, remember how we were like together the other evening?
Well, guess what? I have the herb and they're like, why do you pay and check all the people you've been around or been with? You don't have to say like, I don't know, it sounds terrible, but it's just like, and why is COVID still a thing? I know.
I know. And like for me, it's just right now feels like I have a really bad head cold. Like I've got the ready nose. I'm sneezing, I have a little bit of a cough.
Like my body's kind of worn down, but like I don't feel, you know, terrible. I'm still like doing my thankfully still in summer break from school. So I don't have to work. So I sent a picture of my test to like my team that I work with.
And I was like, well, just like, oh, no, I'm gonna get out of the way early. Is it still a thing that if you like just had it, you can't get it for like three months or something? That's what I hear. Okay, so fingers crossed.
Yeah, I'm big enough. I'll be going until like November or the end of October or something. Which I had it the last time I had it was in October, last October. Okay, so it hasn't been a full year since I've had it last.
Why is COVID still a thing? I don't know. It's like every, it feels like every time, you know, you really don't hear about it anymore. And then like it spikes and cases and then you hear like, and then someone's got it.
And so so got it, you know, yeah, it's been apparently there's like a big surge right now for COVID. But I am falling victim. You volunteered as tribute. I do.
Like, you know what, I'm out of school. I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah.
Yeah. So I mean, really, it happened at the perfect time because you're not on vacation, like before you want vacation. And then you're not works, you don't have to like take a PTO or something. So it's kind of a win-win.
Yeah, I live with my brother and he is actually out of town this week using Chicago for the week. So I have the house to myself to be all COVID in. So getting away from all this illness, talk. What do you have for us today?
It's a special episode. It is a special episode. And you know, since I've been home with COVID and I can't go anywhere, I've had to find ways to entertain myself. And okay, can you talk about it on this platform?
I can actually because I've been watching the Olympics. Yeah, I'm watching some Olympic games. I like one of the streaming services I have, you can like watch the live event says pretty cool. Today I watched ping pong or table tennis.
That's right. And then I watched swimming. Swimming is always fun to watch. I really enjoyed swimming.
I like to watch the 400 meter relay and some long distance swimming, something and I don't know, it was wild. I didn't make it this year. Right. Yeah, I really wanted to be there, but I wasn't in as good a swimming shape as I have been in the past.
So I didn't make the cut this year. I mean, but it's tough. Yeah, I think like, it's just so impressive to me to watch like all these teams and you know, that's the one time where I'm like, you know, I love like high dives, watching like high dives. Oh my gosh, the skills these individuals have is just amazing.
Amazing. Yeah, I'm really excited. Of course, like everybody to watch women's gymnastics. I always love that.
Ready to watch them. I don't care a bit about men's gymnastics. No, like that's not a school to me, but women's gymnastics, I'm there for it. So I enjoy the outfits of the men wear, but you know, I mean besides that.
Yeah, besides that. Well, I felt like now would be an appropriate time then since it is Olympic season. And that's what we're about a gymnast. No, it is.
We're actually going to talk about the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996. Yes, in the West with Georgia. Yes, I went to the Olympics in 96. Did you?
Yeah, very cool. I think, and I'm in the text for today as I was researching the story and I did it. I feel like she was living in Atlanta at the time. Really?
Like, I think she was there, like living in the area when all this is going on. But I could be making that up. I'm not sure. Just kidding.
That's cool to know. Yeah, well, so we're going to talk about it. Let's do it. I'm excited.
Okay. All right. So like you said, 1996, we're having the Olympics. And Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta, Georgia was designed as the town square of the Olympics.
And on the day of the attack, there were thousands of spectators there who had gathered for a kind of later in the evening concert by the band, Jack Mack and the Heart Attack. Never heard of them in my life. Never heard of them either. Yeah, or since then.
Right. Never. Never. But now we have exactly.
Jack Mack and the Heart Attack Band. Oh, wow. Legends. Legendary.
Yep. So apparently, sometime after midnight, someone planted a green US military Alice pack, which is like a field pack that the military uses. And it contained three pipe bombs filled with a smokeless powder surrounded by three inch long masonry nails, which when it exploded, caused the death of one person and many more injuries underneath. And it was placed underneath the bench near the base of a sound tower for the concert.
They have like those big towers, you've been like a big concert venue where they've got speakers and stuff put up. So okay. So the pack had a directed charge. And it could have done a lot more damage than actually did, but apparently it was like slightly moved at some point.
It used a steel plate as a directional device. And investigators later tied the a couple of other bombs that had been set by the same person together with this first device, because they were all propelled by nitro glycerin diemite. And they used an alarm clock and rubber made containers and contained steel plates. So this is for sure like a homemade science project in your garage.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But apparently like no two bomb makers make bombs the same way.
So like, it has like a like a calling card? Yeah, like a signature or something. So like if you find like the same components, you know, in different places like that, you can pretty much tell it's the same person. It's interesting.
Okay. I mean, I don't know a ton about bombs. It's probably the thing. That's probably yeah.
Probably. Interesting. Yeah, it's super weird. But there's an FBI agent, David Woody Johnson, who received notice that a call to 911 was placed about 18 minutes before the bomb detonated warning that a bomb would go off at the park within 30 minutes.
Oh, and they said it was made by a white male with an indistinguishable American accent. Interesting. Yeah, how they knew he was a white male by the phone call. I think you know, we've talked about this in other episodes where he knows what we call them.
They're like, Oh, definitely an older black man. Like, why do you know these things? I know. It's like one of those like weird things.
I'm like, I don't think you can tell. I don't know. I also have an accent, but like, I mean, maybe, maybe gender, like, but not even always. Like, some women have very deep voices and some men have higher voices.
Like, I don't know. Yeah, just be an assumption. Yeah, I feel like, like, over-generating. Yeah.
It does seem highly likely that most bombs are planted by white men. It feels right. Yeah. It feels like a very white male thing to do.
Like a white young male thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Okay.
So there was a security guard named Richard Jule, who discovered the bag underneath a bench and alerted the Georgia Bureau investigation officers. And one thing that I've noticed at at least at this Olympics and now this is post like 9-11 and stuff that I'm watching the Olympics. And this that we're talking about is pre all of that. But there are so many cops.
Oh, yeah. Orps. So many from all they're talking about on one of the things I was watching today, like all the different nations that had sent police officers or like part of their military or whatever to like help with security and stuff like that. So like, there's got to be a million people around and I've bet a pretty fast response.
Well, I mean, even with like events that happened a couple of weeks ago at like a rally, you know, like just, you know, things that are going on within the US alone, right? Calls for like any kind of an I always feel post 9-11 and just all these shootings and like mass shootings that have happened, like in a scenario like that, even going to a concert outdoors. Like I do not feel safe. Right.
I'm always like, I've marked my exits. I know where I need to go. Like if something happens, like I have a plan of how to get out of wherever I'm at. Me too.
Me too. Oh my God. That white guy may have a bomb. I gotta get a roll.
I gotta go. Yeah. I totally abandoned my boyfriend and just, you know, head out. That's it, buddy.
Yeah. Yes. So Tom Davis of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation called in the bomb squad, which included members of the ATF and FBI, which for our non-American listeners, ATF is alcohol to back on firearms. So they, you know, help regulate all those things, can enforce all the rules of those things.
So they were all called into investigate the suspicious bag, which was leaning against the 40 foot NBC's sound tower. Jewel and other security guards began clearing the immediate area. So the bomb squad can investigate suspicious package. The bomb then detonated two to three minutes into the evacuation before all spectators leave the area.
So thankfully they were moving everybody away when this went off, because if they hadn't, it would have been a lot more catastrophic. Absolutely. A lot more deaths. Yeah.
So the first one who gave the news live worldwide was an Italian reporter, Isio Luzzi, who was in Atlanta as a correspondent of RAI radio television, Italiana Lee, no, wrong language. Yeah, there's he as well. So he was there for the Olympic Games as an, you know, representative of the Italian media. Video the explosion from a short distance away was captured by Robert Gee, who was a tourist from California.
And that footage was later aired by CNN. And the sound of the explosion was actually reported by a news crew from the German public television network, ARD, who were interviewing American swimmer Janet Evans at a nearby hotel. So lots and lots of, you know, media there. So this thing was pretty widely covered pretty quickly.
I recall it being huge breaking news. Yeah, wilds. So definitely something who wants attention. Yeah.
Oh, for sure. Looking for attention. Yeah. Sure.
Yeah. Alice Hawthorne, who was 44 of Albany, Georgia, was the one individual who was killed in the explosion, went a nail from the bomb actually penetrated her skull. And the rest of her body was, you know, riddled with shrapnel while she was standing with her 14 year old daughter, who was actually also badly injured, but she survived. Hey, cameraman with Turkish radio and television corporation.
Mel, Mel, he was in y'all who was 40 who had quote survived coverage of wars in as, as her name, Bosnia and the Persian Gulf, actually suffered a fatal heart attack while running to the scene. Oh my gosh. So not necessarily killed by the bomb, but kind of escape it. Yeah.
Well, this is he was running to the scene. Yeah. So he died from that heart attack. And it says he was running to the scene.
Not a way to cover it. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, especially if he had like done coverage of other wars. Like, I'm sure this kind of thing wouldn't, you know, I'm sure it caught him off guard, but he was probably like, Oh yeah, I've been there. And also every reporter wants to be like the first one to cover it.
So I could see that. I mean, honestly, I'd be racing to cover it and I would have part attack too, and most likely so. Yeah, if I was running. Oh my gosh.
Even if I like even a hefty sprint on my part, would induce some type of a mitochondrial infarction. That was good medical terminology. Thank you. Thank you.
Welcome. Yeah. Okay. So the bomb also wounded 111 other people.
I didn't realize that any people were wounded. Yeah. So face some sort of injury from the bomb. President at the time was Bill Clinton, and he announced the explosion as a quote evil act of terror and vowed to do everything possible to track down and punish those responsible.
Despite this event, officials and the athletes they agreed that the game should continue as planned, which like I get, I mean, you come all this way. And like, what's a little bomb? You know what? I traveled from Istanbul and damn it, I'm gonna swim.
Damn. I don't swim. I'm gonna be. I can't go home until I swim.
Right. I mean, what are my parents gonna say? Like they travel, like they're here. Yeah, we don't eat it.
They're yet we got on the train, we got on the plane with me did the shit. I'm gonna swim. We have to swim now. I gotta swim now.
Yeah. But like, also like you're not giving into terror. And I think that's the whole thing is like, sure, we could just say forget it in every mind, but isn't that what the person wants? You know, like they want things to happen in the world to, you know, yeah, like let's show them let's just keep on.
Yeah. For sure. So let's talk about Richard Jule. Yeah, there's a whole movie about him.
Yeah, there's a lot about Richard Jule that I didn't know like I didn't know a whole lot about this until I did the research for this. I knew the bomb had gone off and whatever and I knew like the name of the guy who obviously said the bomb. And as I was reading through this, I'm like, that's not the guy's name. So let's talk about it.
So he was hailed as a hero for his role in discovering the bomb and moving spectators to safety. News organized new organizations later reported that Jule was considered a potential suspect in the bombing four days later. And shortly after a brief mistaken detainment of two juveniles, who were persons of interest at the Kensington Marta station, which is the Marta is like Atlanta's version of the subway or the metro system or maybe two or a roller. Yeah.
Yeah. Jule at the time was unknown to authorities and a lone wolf profile made sense to FBI investigators after they were contacted by his former employer at Piednup College. So that's a lot. So apparently there's two juveniles that they were like, Hey, these guys might have said they're acting weird at this Marta station.
So they were detained and they were like, Nah, not these guys. Let them go. And now we're moved on to Richard Jule. So Jule's name is a person of interest, though he was never actually arrested.
Jule's home was searched. His background was exhaustively investigated and he became the subject of intense media interest and surveillance, including immediacy on his home. So after Jule was exonerated, because I never found, you know, anything tying him to this bomb, he initiated defamation lawsuits against NBC News, the Atlanta Journal Constitution and other media outlets and insisted on a formal apology from them. Sure.
Yeah. Like if I was being, you know, drug through the mud and called, you know, potentially this bomber when terrorists essentially, right, when really like, like, I'm the freaking hero of the story. Like I found the thing and got people to like get out of the way. And what this means is like this would affect your ability to get job.
Like no one would want to be in a relationship with you because you're a terrorist. You know, these affect your entire life and life. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't blame them. I would have to. Yeah. I don't either.
So his lawsuit accused Piedmont College President Raymond Clear of falsely describing him as a bad wearing zealot who would quote, right, epic police reports for minor infractions. Okay. Looks like apparently wasn't a thing he did. So what is this guy's beef with Richard Jule?
Right. I don't know. It's super weird. So the cases were later settled after 15 years of litigation with the Georgia court appeal decision in July 2012.
Apparently the newspaper had accurately reported that Jule was the key suspect in the bombing and emphasized he was only a suspect in the potential issues and law enforcement case against him. So it doesn't seem like anything ever came out of his lawsuits. That's unfortunate. Yeah.
So, you know, they're saying like, well, they did their due diligence by saying, you know, he was a suspect. Like they never said that he did it. But I think like, you know, there's such power in words and media and like back it's out and like we talked about this effect, this whole livelihood, like whether this is true or not, but I'm like, what is this bot? His former boss is beef with him.
And like you would go that far to affect someone's livelihood. Like something was wrong with you. Oh, for sure. He was the one who is like thrown under the bus.
Yeah, for sure. Wow. Well, to make things even sadder, Richard Jule died on August 29th, 2007 at the age of 44. And this was from serious medical complications related to diabetes.
So just like a really like justice for Richard Jule, man. This is, yes, it's so sad. I haven't seen the movie, but my mother did and said that it was heartbreaking. Yeah.
So let's talk about the movie. So Richard Jule is a biographical drama film. It was released in the US on December 13th of 2019. And the film was directed and produced by Clint Eastwood, was written by Billy Ray based on the 1997 article American Nightmare and the book of the suspect and Olympic bombing the FBI, the media, and Richard Jule, the man caught in the middle, which was written by Kent Alexander and Kevin Sawin.
And part of Jule is played by Paul Walter Houser. There's also been a TV series called Manhunt, also called Manhunt Deadly Games, and they dedicated season two to the story of Richard Jule. Yeah. So after Jule was cleared and his life like pretty much destroyed, the FBI admitted it had no other suspects.
And the investigation made a little progress until early 1997 when two more bombings took place. One was at an abortion clinic and the other was at a LGBTQ nightclub, both that were in the Atlanta area. And like we talked about earlier with the signature bombs, there were similarities in the bomb design, which allowed investigators to conclude that this was the work of the same perpetrator. There was one more bombing at an abortion clinic this time in Birmingham, Alabama, which actually killed a policeman who was working as a security guard and seriously injured a nurse, Emily Lyons.
And that gave FBI crucial clues, including a partial license plate, that was seen there. It didn't, wasn't there something about they saw a man with a truck? Yeah, I think they like had been spotted around there and that's, you know, they were able to get this partial plate, like remember this plate number. So quick side note, in 1997, my dad, we all traveled to Arkansas and we have family that lives there and my dad bought this truck.
It was like this old truck from my aunt and he, we were dragging in a separate car and my dad was driving the truck back to North Carolina and somewhere in and around Tennessee, he got stopped because they thought that he was the bomber. Yes, the truck matched the truck of what somebody had reported seen. And so he was pulled over. He wasn't speeding or anything.
But yeah, like they were asking questions, like, you know, because the plates were Arkansas plates, but he had a North Carolina driver's license. Yeah, so they were like, who was this guy? So they asked him questions for like a little bit, like interrogating him. He didn't like go into the police, you know, you know, department or anything.
But yeah, they did ask him questions. So we have that running joke, you know, I'm not going to say the man's name because I don't want to give it away in your story. But they thought that he was this man. Yeah.
So yeah, turn of events, Holly's dad is actually the land of armor. Surprise. No, no, no, no, that's crazy. That's insane.
And didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So this plate and other clues and the interview with Holly's father led the FBI to identify the Kermit person, Eric, Robert Rudolph. It's not my dad.
Not always father. Dad. No. So Eric Rudolph was a carpenter and a handyman.
He actually alluded capture and became a fugitive and officials believed he had disappeared into the rugged southern Appalachian mountains. That he had. So like I've always heard that like, especially around like Halloween and stuff, people will put up like those are all these little haunted trails and corn mazes and stuff. And like, I feel like Eric Rudolph is always a part of it.
Yeah, I feel like it was always like maybe Rudolph. Like maybe he showed up. Like maybe, you know, like what if it hit? I don't know.
Like, um, oh, you saw that guy like lingering in the background. What if it threw it up? You know, like I remember that being a thing. Yeah.
Well, and it's crazy because like even just in the area that I live in, like I can go outside and look like towards the mountains and stuff and I'm like, oh yeah, you could absolutely disappear up there. And if you had a skill set, like if you had lived before in the mountains, if you had lived there remotely, if you were used to hunting and killing your own food, you know what I mean? And like picking berries and like really living on, you know, off the grid for sure. You could do this.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. I couldn't do it, but somebody else could.
I mean, I got to be pretty close to Starbucks. So I probably wouldn't make it off the grid. Right. Right.
Yeah. No, it wouldn't be fun. Yeah. Is the landing of the Starbucks?
Yeah. It's our. It's our. Yeah.
Oh my god. So on May 5th of 1998, the FBI named him as one of its 10 most one of you jibs and offered a million reward for information that leading directly to his arrest. On October 14th of 1998, the Department of Justice formerly named Rudolph has a suspect in all four bombings. After more than five years on the run, Rudolph was arrested on May 31st of 2003 in Murphy, North Carolina by a rookie police officer, Jeffrey Scott Postel at the Murphy Police Department behind a save a lot store at about four a.m.
So to add to this, so that the rookie police officer who found him was a high school friend of a friend of mine I went to college with. She was from Murphy. She knew him very well. She knew his family, you know, and she knew she said that it was just, he was just doing a job like, you know, on the beat and then saw this guy behind a dumpster.
That's wild. Yeah. It says like he was on like a routine patrol. He had originally suspected a burglary in progress and then like just, you know, found him.
It was yep. That's crazy. Yeah. I know.
I was like, what the heck? That's crazy. I do remember. So Murphy from Asheville is about an hour and a half, at least it's pretty solid drive.
Yeah. But I remember reporters like infiltrated Asheville to be able to like share this story because it was breaking news that they found him and you should see, I don't know, he never looked at his like mug shots and pictures at that time. He looks like a mountain man. Like he definitely looks like he's been in the woods.
If he was living in the woods. Yeah. Wow. It wasn't my dad.
So it wasn't your dad. No, my dad's very clean shave and he showers daily. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's that's crazy. That was a rookie cop. But yeah, it's pretty great.
The wall pings, you know, the FBI was looking for him, you know, and this rookie cop from Murphy is like, I got him. It was sad. I got him. It's pretty awesome.
Yep. On April 8th of 2005, the government announced Rudolph would plead guilty to all four bombings, including the Centennial Olympic Park attack. Rudolph is serving four life terms without the possibility parole at ADX Florence Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado. So his justification for the bombings, according to an April 13th, 2005 statement was political.
So let's kind of get into that a little bit of that. In the summer of 96, the world converged on Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection, this is kind of his words here. Under the protection of the regime in Washington, millions of people came to celebrate ideals of global socialism, multinational corporations with billions of dollars in Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games.
Even though the conception and purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is to promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song Imagine by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 games, even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger, and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the seats around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested. But you know, it really makes no sense. It absolutely makes no sense to you, Rose-sense.
How any of these things, and he's talking about are even related, like, I know, it's like, yeah, just like the rambling is on crazy rhythm. Pretty much, for sure. Much, but that just shows, you know, sadly, the power that these people who are unhinged at, you know, it's terrifying. Yeah.
Yeah. On August 22nd of 2005, Rudolph had previously received a life sentence for the Alabama bombing with Senate 3 concurrent terms of life in prison without parole for the Georgia incidences. So he was charged to the Alabama bombing first, and then later charged for the three other ones in Georgia. Yeah, Rudolph read a statement at the Senate saying that she apologized to the victims and families only of the Eastern Union Park bombing, reiterating that he was angry at the government and hoped the Olympics would be canceled.
At the Senate saying 14 other victims or relatives gave statements, including the widower of Alice Hawthorne. Rudolph's former sister-in-law, Deborah, talked about the irony of Rudolph's plea deal, putting him in custody of a government he hates. She said, no, yeah, knowing that he's living under government control for the rest of his life, I think, that's worse to him than death. Interesting.
Well, you know, how's he benefiting from those three meals a day and all the things that, you know, the government is giving to him free health care, you know, other things that he's getting in prison. So the, you know, it is pretty interesting. Yeah. So apparently, like, some website or organization published his book.
So like, he wrote a book called Between the Lines of Drift, The Memoirs of a Militant. So I don't think it did very well, because it really, the US Attorney General sees his $200 worth of royalty that he made on the books, he only made like $200. So they took it to help pay off the $1 million that Rudolph owes in restitution to the state of Alabama. So I mean, now he's only, you know, $900,800, you know, in debt.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So I took that $200 that his book made and just went ahead and sent that on.
So Alabama. Well, I mean, it had to have been like 20 people or something like, you know, something more than that, but still that's right. Yeah, it's crazy. Any idea of his book being out there, his essentially like his manifesto in a way, like we don't want that out there.
Right. Well, and it's one of those things like there are certain like manifestos or like books in history that like I think are important to, you know, for some people to read and kind of understand like, you know, Hitler read a book. My cop. And I actually have a copy of it.
I've read a little bit of, it's very difficult because it is just rambling. Absolutely. Like it's wild, but I do want a copy of it because I think it's important to like, yeah, like to identify like other people who were kind of getting into that same mindset. So yeah, I haven't read the whole book.
I don't display it on my bookshelf or anything. It's like tucked away, turned around in a back corner. I will say as a snippet in our so for the there's an advertisement that runs during our podcast. And it's for there's one called treason.
And it is the plot to assassinate Hitler by Klaus Raffenberg. It is fantastic. So I heard it during I was listening to our podcast, you know, as I do. And I heard it and I was like, I need to listen to this.
It is amazing. It is so good. And he people tried to kill him multiple times like they were bought talk about bonds. They're bomb set.
But for some reason, he would side swipe it every time like he would get away from it every single time. So anyway, it's the underground German army, people who were in the German, the Nazi, the SS who were part of the resistance in Germany trying to get rid of them. It is fascinating. So I don't know if I should plug other podcasts, I'm going to because it was so good.
I would not advertise that. I would not advertise that. I would like to put that in my bookshelf. But yeah, piece of history, that's important because to see where his mind was at, I mean, he wasn't a sane human being.
No, I mean, it's very disturbing. It's very upsetting. It's, you know, but I think it is a piece of history. And it's something that like, I think, I think the more, you know, you know, it's important to really understand that Germany was desperate.
Yeah. They were in a state of desperation and somebody who could promise them the world, your Deutschmark is now worth something. I can do this for you. People were like, wow, okay.
So it wasn't that they were stupid. It was that someone was promising them something that they were desperate for. Yeah. You know, that's desperation brought him into power.
So that's where like, in thinking about history, repeating itself, we really have to be conscious of that. So just rather for sure. Sure. I also own the comments many best.
Oh, don't copy that as well. So and yet you do not have my autobiography on your shelf. And I don't know why and don't I don't know where the comments that best is. At least you're you're showing that.
But I know I'm hopeful that one day my book will be on your own. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's not appropriate for children, but well, you know, a lot of things on my shelves aren't.
You don't have green eggs and ham. I don't. No, can't say I have I don't think I have really any books appropriate for small children. I have the DSM.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's fun to crack into. Yeah, that's something the diagnostic and statistical manual of, you know, mental disorders and defects going.
Yeah, I have on my shelf there, I have discovering statistics using IBM SPSS statistics. Absolutely. Riveting. Nothing gets me going more.
I mean, don't don't keep talking about it. I'm gonna get turned on. I mean, so next to my copy of program evaluation, stop it and making some statistics. And not over here.
Don't even go there. Back to just trying to turn me on with the time, aren't you? Statistics and I also have a book called Her People, Her People. Oh, wow.
Yes, which is accurate. Her people do her people. And how can we turn that around? I recently found in my first store adventures a copy of a lot of keeps a score.
Yeah, it's a great book. I haven't read it yet, but I'm like, I want to. So we talk about a scores and how adverse childhood experiences things that happen to us early on, the trauma affects our body. And in fact, the higher our a score, the more likely you are now I'm getting in my therapist's corner, the more likely you are, number one to have health issues to die earlier than others to have difficulty in school.
Like, I mean, relationships, like it affects you. But the exciting news is if there is one caring adult in your life who can make an impact, who creates resiliency in your life, it can change the results of your life. So yeah, so the body really does keep the score. Things that happen to us, you know, manifest in our body.
Anyway, it's fascinating. Read the book really good. Sorry. My therapist's minute.
I love it. I love it. I love it. I think it's minute with Holly.
Also read, um, it's actually, you know, for Winfrey book, it's really good. It's called What Happened to You. It's not what's wrong with you. It's the idea of what happened to you.
So understanding that, yeah, yeah, maybe somebody's kind of, I'm like, what is wrong with this person? It's not, you know, what's wrong with you, but what happened to you? Like asking those questions, like what happened for you and that you're presenting this way. For sure.
Yeah. It's good about perspective. What the hell are we talking about? We're going to talk about how you can email us about your childhood trauma.
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That sounds good. That sounds good. Yeah. I'm just talking about my books.
I don't know. I am reading Matthew Pickett's autobiography. That's exciting. Yes.
And Brady's both of them at the same time. And I can say, even in his writing, he's very funny. He is. So I read or I listen to like an audiobook, the one that Jeanette McCurdy wrote.
I'm glad my mom died. Yeah, was it good? Oh my gosh, it was so good. Oh, I want to read that too.
It was very good. I listened to it. Yeah, it was an audiobook, but it was so good. I need to just download audiobooks from the library because I suck.
I'll start like, I'm like page three and then, and it's not that it's boring. It's just I'm tired. Yeah, I'm the same way. Like I have to like set a timer if I'm listening to it and to be like, okay, turn off after 10 minutes.
I don't get like too terribly lost. Yeah. Yep. All right.
Let's give a shout out to Laurel Maryland. Oh, yes. Thank you so much for listening. And we hope this was a happy Tuesday.
I mean, to go on and fix the theme. Yeah. Well, surprise, happy Tuesday. And thank you all for being patient with us because it's been a journey.
Even recording this episode has been a journey. It sure has. We'll see you next week or we'll talk about our day. Yeah, we'll see you Thursday.
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