The Dark Knight Rises

Blank Jack was Griffin and David Blank Jack was Griffin and David Don't know what to say or two aspects All you need to know is that the name of the show is my Jack I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope So as I terrorize Gotham I will feed its people hope to poison their souls I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamoring over each other to stay in the sun You can watch me torture an entire city and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure We will fulfill Rush of Gold's destiny We will destroy Gotham and then when it is done and Gotham is ashes Then you have my permission to podcast Good job, did you enjoy that? I had a really great time You were like your chin stuck into your neck I was going full-bainty Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Allen I am David Simms It's a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David We are a hashtag, the two friends Yes Where the only two friends are podcasting together, it's competitive advantage It's been working for us so far We'll continue working for us forever Friendship will never go out of style Friendship forever Friendship forever Friendship is magic This podcast is about philanthropies, directors who had massive success early on in their career and forgot to turn off their cell phones before recording an episode And then we're issued a series of blank checks to make whatever they wanted Yep In Hollywood, at least for a period of time This guy has checks of not run out Nope Sometimes those checks are there, sometimes the bones buddy Yep And this is my series on the film's Christopher Nolan It's called The Pod Nightcasts And we've gotten to Title podcast, the title film The titular episode His best known and best loved film, right? Yeah One everyone agrees on It's called The Dark Knight Rises It is the third film in The Bart Man Trilogy Ah, it's so true It is true, you can argue that The Bart Man is here, the dark Bart Man Look, I know it often These become partisan issues Sure But can we reach across the aisle and agree that this is the third film in The Bart Man Trilogy Can we just for once? Finally, the Discord nation can get involved Please, let's all just agree that this is the third film in The Bart Man Trilogy Yeah Ricky T jokes himself is in the rear view Enter Michael K.

Bain Michael K. K. Bain's here I said the inception episode's name was Michael J. Bain This is the corrections department, his name is Michael K.

Bain So you're listening back to it? You're listening back to check it out Okay, right John C. Scarecrow Who's back to? He's been appointed a magistrate He's a judge of Gotham Yeah, it's nice, there's a little There's a big gap Dark Knight takes place very shortly after Bart Man begins That's right, and this one takes place It's seven years later I think a gentleman's seven A gentleman's seven years on And in that time, John C.

Scarecrow goes to law school Which is kind of nice, it's kind of inspiring He made a very strange choice to have a hammer Be his gavel He's just using a hammer Is he getting a little flavor on it? That's his like flair? Yes He's like, alright, thank you for teaching me how to be a judge Okay, if you stack all the desks on top of themselves And then use a gavel A hammer Not unique enough Yep With this as always, it's a pretty sure being himself Wait a second, is that in control? I've thrown it out before, maybe it's fast That's it, I'm sorry I don't care about the other ones I never love the other ones Is there another one you like?

We're getting close to the end of Nolan How's all gold? I think so, I'm pretty sure being I think the producer being is way better than the other Sure, do we're being? Keep going The main-do, sir? Yeah The fart master, the fart detective, he's the meat lover Right, he's the fuck master He's the fuck master I am so, so sorry about that Let's keep going, that's okay He's the peepers, the poet, Laura He's the finest film critic, he's not Professor Crispy If you see him in the streets, please wish him a hearty hello, fennel Yes please He's dirt bike benny, he's soaking wet benny He is graduated, he is graduated He has graduated Just wrap it up Much like John C.

Scarecrow In the seven years between, he has graduated to certain tales Of course the different main series Yeah Such as, Bruce D'Benkonobie, Kylo Ben, Ben Eichonlon, Ben Sei Beni thing Ailed Bands with a dollar sign in Warhouse And perhaps, you know, here on Out He Will Be Producer Main We shall see I think so I'm gonna need a really compelling pitch to drop producer main Okay, this is called Arms, exactly That's the thing you've been at anyway He's having fun over there He's having a great time I come into the studio and Ben's just doing his bane Benny, oh he has fun, we set him out in the yard, he just runs around doing his bane for hours He keeps himself busy Oh boy So, yeah, so it's a 2012 film Years after Inception, which is pretty impressive actually Considering the scale of this movie and the scale of Inception Yeah, I would argue I have an idea of how, what was sacrificed in that time crunch Oh really, you have an idea of that? Interesting, crazy Because it's three years between, Pam and Against the Dark Knight Which is significant, although he did make a movie in between these two Yeah, sure And yeah, and it's a $230 million budget Big movie I mean, you're gonna write that check, right? Yeah I mean, and I'm sure Mr. Nolan was paid handsomely To make a movie he was less enthusiastic about But in interviews he said like for a long time I wasn't even sure I would make this movie and I was very afraid that I would get bored During the making of this movie Right, and I think which is I think a way of saying I got bored He said in a lot of interviews that his big thing was he knew he had this massive check This massive opportunity and he wanted to try to make a movie in terms of size that didn't get made anymore Right, so there was a lot of like let's have more extras than people have ever had before Sure, let's take over more cities, we'll have to scope with vehicles Yeah impressive set pieces that are real, right, and thought through stunts, you know all this crazy stuff The scope of this movie is pretty incredible just in terms of what is visually captured Like what has been photographed, right?

But then also let's make rather than a competition between Hero and a villain or whatever like let's make it about like the soul of a city or like the city itself is at stake That's definitely his concept Am I argument? It's called Mufy, Gotham City Which I also think would be I mean the whole way You know K-Moot title for the last one too, you're saying Yes, I mean one of those baller moves in history I just remember being like with friends on the computer because that's what I would do I'd be hanging out with friends and then I'd just go to a computer and refresh movie blogs You sound like a cool dude Real fun to guy Real fun to guy? Real fun to guy? Real fun to guys?

Real fun to guys? Real fun to boss? Yeah, I'll tell you I'm fond of Bridget I was there refreshing and I went holy shit And they went what and I turned around and I said Guess what the fucking title of the Batman Begins sequel is? And everyone's like Batman continues, Batman V Joker It was like and I just was like holding like a hot hand Cause I knew I was going to tell him that this is the worst story anyone's ever told The dark knight Everyone's like whoa I flew out the mic there Yes he did I can see it But just the notion that Nolan was so cool Batman not in the title Sure You know and it also gave the movie that this power was like this is like a fucking standalone thing Like this movie kind of works in his own thing Sure This trilogy that he's created is much more concerned with Gotham City Sure You know it is Then other Batman stories are Certainly, certainly, certainly Certainly, certainly It really is Batman fighting to try to save Gotham City And from the inception Oh boy From Of this trilogy One of Nolan's big ideas was that like this is a guy This version of Bruce Wayne is using Batman as a means to an end Who are you guys?

Batman? Who are you guys? Who are you guys? I remember seeing Damon Wayne's at the embrav He said tonight I'm just gonna do a jazz set I will just riff I used to roll with Sam Kinneson and those guys Carl Above That was some dark shit Lock the gates The power I just shit my pants So, get ready for another hour and a half or so At least Yes this is a two hour 35 minute movie No I'm sorry two hour 45 minute movie Yeah, right But you know there's this thing where like this version of Bruce Wayne isn't like a career Batman He's like I got a goal in mind If I can level out the balance of Gotham City I don't need to be Batman Because of course Batman as a comic book character He can't retire because he's the star of a comic book that runs So it's sort of like he's just part of the firmament of Gotham And Burton's Batman doesn't know how to exist without being Batman Yes, he's barely an adjustable being Batman Whereas this movie The Dark Knight rises Posit's that Batman's work was sort of done after the Dark Knight At least in his head Although you know but that turns out not to be true Which is weird But Nolan has said that he from the moment that he pitched Batman begins Right and started really working on the idea of what his version of Batman was going to be He knew what the final shot of his story was going to be And that is the final shot of this film Which is what Robin rising can do Yeah someone knew taking over the mantle Sure the fact that Bruce would be able to walk away from it Here's my complaint just before I get into the context Sure we'd love to be a connoisseur of Sure Dark Knight ends with Joker saying I think we're just gonna do this forever Richard Richard trouble what was the T-centra trouble?

Yeah T-centra trouble Joker Yeah Then like that And Batman like taking the blame for dense death and riding it any and he's like this you know Dark Knight He's our Dark Knight Doesn't and then like this movie's open seven years later It's like well ever since Batman led to the rest of like a thousand mobsters Gotham's been fine Like that's never been the idea of Batman that he just needed to get rid of the mob Agree he's not a mob warrior Agree I think this movie does a lot wrong but I'll say this That's the premise that's the problem I think I think this movie starts at the wrong point I think it ends in the right place Sure I think that that concept right that you're the start of the movie is a problem the action they decide to keep off-screen is Troublesome and the stuff that has happened and the stuff that hasn't happened is confusing I could see this start if it really had been like seven years since he'd made a Batman movie like if no one had Gonna make other stuff and then finally one of brothers is like you know we're gonna shell out you and bail we want you back Please make another Batman movie which I think he maybe needed to do I think he maybe needed to use the cache of inception to have another Blank track project, you know, I will promise you let's put it in a contract I'll make fucking Gotham City right right right after this yeah I get you and have some time away so that it really kind of meant something right um because even the Marvel movies are usually There's usually three years between sequels like they don't two years between sequels is about as tight as you can make it and for movies It's just four years after inception. I'm so I'm so yes. Yes. Yeah, ignore me.

Sorry. But he needs to take more time away I think he needs to figure out what he needed to say which I think yeah like I watch this movie not to jump to the end of our discussion Right, but like I saw this movie opening night at midnight is I think a lot of us did right I did not but I saw it opening weekend Sure, but yes, right away crazy anticipation. Mm-hmm And I I sat there the whole time and enjoyed it me too basically I can tell you there were speed bumps But I have speed bumps with dark night too. I don't think that's a perfect movie I think that's a movie that ends up being greater than some of its parts Yeah, but I was watching it was generally pretty satisfied with it at the end of it I was like yeah, and then I walked out and I ran to somebody new and he was like I was kind of shaky right now I was like I like that and then I went to sleep and I woke up and was like I don't think I like that movie Sure, so that was that fast for you.

Yeah, it was weird It was like I was second I started really thinking about it Mm-hmm started unraveling my mind and I have not watched it since then and it has only diminished with every day in my mind Okay, okay, and I re-watched it And I was like maybe I like this more than I remembered And then I similarly kind of like started struggling more went on I think it's a little better than its reputation suggests I don't think it's an outright disaster No, which I think it's easy to write off that way I think that's largely a product of how in seeing the expectations were and how I think it has the same problems that a lot of Nolan movies have but it doesn't have the same strengths that a lot of Nolan movies have that usually Allow you to gloss over those problems, but it's interesting movie I just walk away from it going like I don't know what it's actually saying I don't think you ever decided to ultimately was trusting this movie. We'll get into it Yeah, I saw I remember I saw an opening weekend and I got to the theater and I sat down and Immediately realized that a child had like totally peed all over the sea like the you know at the previous screening or whatever Because it's a fucking basically with ads. Yeah, I mean that's a three-plus hour sitting experience Oh the three and a half I'm actually for a big movie like that they James many trailers as they can and also you have to get there early You know to make sure there was a news reel and so like I just imagined some like tiny child had been given a bucket of soda Right and I was trying to hold it in to see the Bartman So I mean there was not much damage done to me like it was obviously like it their time had passed You know it wasn't fresh, but I was still like oh my god and that for some reason is here to my memory of my viewing experience And it was also of course the shooting it happened You didn't have it if you saw it midnight right? Yeah, exactly like you weren't but that was fresh in my mind I was hard to not be because it was it just happened yes, and obviously I was desperate to see the movie I was very excited to see the movie But it definitely put everything on edge made everything feel a little grim Yeah, it made the films violence, you know just slightly harder take not like it's an excessively violent movie or anything But still just it is a grim movie I think it cast a power on that movie the movie is so inextricably tied to that incident now Yeah, and it makes the movies flaws feel even more Drawing because the whole enterprise feels more flippant when it's like right well that's the thing and it's not the movies fault at all Right, yeah, you know, but it's just like for this bullshit, you know, which it isn't for this of course It's like but but but I do think there is like You know there was a shooting at train wreck a couple summers ago, right bigly remember that you know right but it wasn't the same But that just kind of felt disconnected somehow.

Yeah, no It was because it was the movie and because the guy was like I'm a joker You know like there was some tie there was that whole element But also it was like, you know people like that want to make a statement and so you attack you know a place of meaning It was like this is the most anticipated movie. Yeah, we were all we were all there to see this movie It wasn't like we were seeing the movies like we were just going to the movies that weekend It was like we were all there for this movie We've been waiting for four years the dark night was awesome. Yeah, Chris for you know inception was you know Like we're excited to see this right this is the it was the movie of the summer right yes Yes, well a vendor comes up that's a Summer and to sort of set the new narrative but certainly this was the movie everyone was like this will be the biggest movie of 2012 Which it wasn't it still ended up being like at the time I think the six-high school members movie and it was somehow viewed as a disappointment because I know yeah But it made more money than the dark night Was so big earlier and then this had this shade cast over by the tragedy and let's move on because again It's not like the movies fault or exactly it's not the movies fault But it's it was interesting to watch it now with years away from it and being able to just kind of watch it as a movie Yeah, I saw just as a movie that in my mind It was always tied to this incident and now enough times past I was able to just like watch it Yeah, so it's not in theaters. I have watched it again And then as I told Griffin as we were standing up I watch the opening of the movie all the time on YouTube The I'm Xt's basically the plane sequence so that comes out before mission possible No, yes, it does it comes out before it goes for a call.

That's so early. That's six months previous. Yeah, wow So they get the same thing with I'm legend was a December release and then I don't remember yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure dark night prologue is where I'm legend and then Ghost protocol which was not even a war brother show but was just the biggest I know it was right now And I remember like hyping up a bunch of my friends to go see ghost protocol Which I was really exciting but using you get to see dark night rises as like a selling point Yeah, and then we sat there in the theater and no one can understand what they were saying right beans a voice was so Weirdly mixed and low and garbled and no one came out defended it and was like, you know in real life You don't hear everything everyone saying and sure what's right? Everything's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he makes movies with a lot of cough and a sound so the dialogue wouldn't be very clear Right, but then they were like okay, but dude a little fucking too much and everything was redub everything was redub Except for one line which one brushing this plane. Oh really that is the same if you watch them side by side That's the one they didn't change and it does sound a little deeper even in the Version but throughout the movie but no I think but we're not telling you all set of school. I mean with Dunkirk It's like yeah, well the dialogue is actually mostly incidental that's okay get it But with Ben is saying a lot of things a lot of information. Yeah, you gotta hear him right So they both re-recorded it and remixed it for sound clarity and also asked already to announce it a little more Yeah, probably as voice his voice is even weirder in the imx pro look in the original version sure Yeah, I actually like it.

I think it's weir almost weirder when you can hear him better Just because he's so sing songy and strange and oddly pitched and yeah, I agree It's such a crazy choice, right and I'm so glad that he was empowered to make that choice Especially because everyone's like how do you top the Joker? No, everyone's like how do you top jeep Swanson? In Batman and Robin? Baaaaaaad who just says the thing he's just been told to do where it's like bane smash that wall and he's like smash wall bane They made bane into like the Hulk yeah like a really shitty Hulk right the worst Hulk right a very embarrassing Hulk right There was such rabbit speculation about who was gonna be the villain in the I want it connoisseur's a contact we are connoisseur's a contact okay, so wait you guys are oh Yeah, the two friends connoisseur two connoisseur two connoisseur one connoisseur two got it Got it.

Okay, so I want to interlotta to do it like thing one thing to her. It's a lot of one to do Yes, I want to clarify but the connoisseur's a context go it is us if you've heard the rumors We are then the connoisseur's content the craziest thing is that jeep Swanson died like days after Batman Robin came out I vaguely remember that it's so weird the poor guy. Yeah, you got it. You got a jeep Swanson Yeah, I mean it's really was Robert right but like he was a wrestler and I think that was his like stage name So Apparently after the dark knight Nolan did write some sort of a story outline for like a future movie and he gave it to Warner Brothers He goes off to make inception and it sort of goes dormant right yep, but everyone I feel like we and everyone else was like No, he'll make it there one.

They'll make it. It's you can't not It's the same way Joss. We did made a second Avengers where like it just come or how Patty Jenkins will make Wonder Woman Two it just comes academic we get that they have to figure out the details But like when you have a hit out of the box like that you got to get the guy back right and I think you know Patrick is well an easier time than either of those two guys did because of the nature of the film Oh, you mean like with the next movie like making the next one right Yeah, I think there are less story challenges for her going into making another Wonder Woman adventure Especially because of how they designed it where we have these her participation in the modern day justice league stuff And you just get to fill in the gaps in between the time zones, right? I think the problem with Avengers age of Ultron, which I know you defend I think is okay.

I think it's okay. I think it's kind of good I know you like it. Yeah, I like parts of it a lot I think they're interesting things I feel fucking with him and they want certain things to tie into the next things and you know I think it's kind of Of similar quality to this movie But it's problems are the exact opposite in that he had a very clear idea of what story he wanted to tell Marvel made him Through a bunch of other stuff in there when you and yeah, I think in this movie He didn't know what he wanted to say so he threw a bunch of stuff And the stuff is kind of interesting all separately, but it doesn't mount anything I agree But Avengers to the problem is the whole interesting thing about Avengers is watching them figure out how to be a team together And you can't have them do that twice can't do it twice So instead he decides to make this movie about robots arguing with each other over whether humans are worth saving right But and then I was like, hey, can you know, I'm like to set up right exactly and But I mean you see Captain America Civil War and you're like, oh, that's the movie Marvel wanted which is this fun almost plotless movie That's just a lot of different stuff happens And it's all a nice tease for the next thing right like and we didn't need to have some sort of central idea to be driving what he's right as a writer That's his civil war is a real comic book movie in that it feels like a mainstream Marvel comic book from right now They're basically thinking a year ahead. Yeah, they have a hook.

Yeah, which is like blah versus blah, but they know we'll sell tickets slash issues For for good and bad like we watch that movie saw together. We had a fun time of watching it I never compelled to watch it's a time it's a bad one to rewatch I amo Man seeing a lot because I think that's the most successful part right now I can just watch by my homecoming sure. Yeah, I still think that's the best installation as a character But I watch the airplane hangar fight, which I remember being so excited by watching anything No, it's just a lot of stuff. Yeah, I think about it's around.

Okay, so in February 2010 Mm-hmm one of others announced Nolan has cracked quote unquote the story. Okay, so he is giving us a new dark night movie Yeah, then it's announced David Goyer and Jonathan Nolan will write the screenplay Interesting then it's announced David Goyer is leaving to go right man of steel. Okay, so Chris and John are gonna write it He and Nolan kind of pitched off of their story meetings for dark night rises Oh, they pitched a man of steel in their store He was trying to crack it They were you're distracting procrastinating they were like what would a superman movie be like how would we approach that? Kimo but it's kind of an idea brought to one of brothers They said it right Chris Nolan said that Jonathan Nolan presented him with a 400 page script sounds about right quite long That essentially from my because this is the script that is the most based on the Batman comics of my youth Because it's the first half is nightfall his bane breaking his back and taking over and the second half is no man's land Which was like this comic after a big earthquake and Gotham and Gotham is like cut off and there's people you know crime is running rampant That has nothing to do with bane.

Yeah, but in he sort of puts bane into it, which is all wrong in my opinion Lane is also just inherently a weird choice for him to pick I understand the motivation He wanted a big physical villain Batman hasn't had a guy he could really fight in these and my guess is he right? And I guess is he also was intrigued by Tom Hardy who had done such a great job in inception Yes, probably thinking like this guy could be a good bane or you know And I think there's this idea that because everyone was like well He do the riddler and it's like that's very similar to the Joker Like that's the same kind of end of the scarecrow Right sort of spindly guy who's got plans and schemes, you know, and they could work the penguin So if a penguin would have been similar to like Maroney and Falcone Yeah, it would have just been a monster He would have been a sort of move your off ball villain again It's not gonna fight the penguin. Yeah, it's not really the penguin has like umbrellas and shit It doesn't really like do fist-to-hand combat I remember hearing rumors that Hoskins was gonna play the penguin which would have been so fucking cool I mean Hoskins as like Hoskins in the long-term Friday as the penguin sounds terrific. Yeah, all right.

Bye. Bye Hoskins. Love that guy You're so good Yeah, I mean there were all these villains that people were asking for and then when Hardy was picked, you know I swear every little bit of detail was like true to pawn where they know they were like filming a lot of the movie in New Orleans Which was for tax credits, right? No, they filmed in Pittsburgh.

They didn't film it in New Orleans Maybe it was a false rumor. Okay, it's something came out about them filming in New Orleans or at least part of it No, that must be because it's killer crack. I just remember that No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you gotta say that guy first suicide squad movie I know exactly how he fits in right you make sure he watches BET. Yeah, you make sure you get a shot of his wriggling butt What else is killer?

Where's he wears out? Make him like pretty sexist like even for he's talking about suicide's going dial it up. Yeah, but at the end of the day It's pretty twist They mostly shot in Bucharest, okay where I think they are shooting the yeah hit the non Gotham stuff, right Josh Pence Winklevoss body He then he shot a lot of Pittsburgh Stuff then I was gonna take then they shoot a ton in New York City Yeah, which suddenly is Gotham City with no attempt to make it look different right with Chicago as Gotham They do a great job having the city be very real But then you have the narrows and you have like a sort of like effort to make it look different This is like he robs the Wall Street Stock Exchange people's up the Williamsburg and Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges There is one of those shots of like the camo tumbler leading the bomb Evans or a mark question mark where they drive past the two three Wall Street station And it's jarring it's you're just like why is no effort being made all of a sudden to make Gotham different right at unique city right? Especially after we just watched two movies ever said Chicago be wondering if it was like, you know the first time I wanted it to be Chicago the second time I wanted it to be la because I'm doing heat the third time I wanted you know, but he just changed I don't know why he did that it is weird how different the city looks across these three films It's like very dark right because you look at the narrows the design the narrows would not fit into dark night or dark night rises No, exactly the narrows is very comic booky very stylized.

I agree. Yeah, I agree to agree And yeah at the same time This is weird like the most comic book of the three movies 100% and in story like in and in Unreality, you know like the idea of it being cut off the idea of Baines like ridiculous scheme like and also in terms of how many Different characters how twisty it is and how many like twisted it is it's not twisted But but it is like it's there's so many flips in this movie, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, it's weird It feels less like watching a movie and more like reading like over a year a 12-ish You run of a comic book where the writer kind of can't figure out where he's going with the story a little bit like It's being written incrementally as they go. Yeah, I get you and then the argument could be like look And Batman begins Gotham is this like fallen city and in the dark man begins exactly and then the dark night It looks the duck night the duck night it looks a little different because it's coming up Like sure is trying to heal and now seven years later.

It's this sort of like rich booming city Uh-huh, but like, you know, it's really just the one percent. Yeah, one percent I can't who should say the one percent, you know like maybe that's why he's using New York This is this is a stretch. This is the only argument I can find I obviously there's no plausible reason the city would have changed I think you know, he was very influenced by the occupy Wall Street movement, but didn't know what he wanted to say about it I guess so I think this I thought that the timing of this was that it couldn't actually be yeah Because I got my Wall Street was like late 2011 Oh really? And this movie finished filming like late 2011 like there's no it was just one of those happy coincidences Where it just like all of that because he always said his inspiration was a tale to six for this movie Uh-huh, the Dickens movie.

I mean the Dickens is great movies. Yeah, such a good movie I'm a writer director about the French Revolution in Paris And the eulogy that Jim Gordon reads for Bruce Wayne at the end of the movie is right out of a tale to six Oh, wow, that's his like nod to it And so I think that's where he's getting this idea of like the oppressed underclass and like there's change coming And you're all gonna be overthrown and then it just fits because I mean he obviously is making the wake of like sure the financial downturn and all that I also feel like this movie is weirdly indebted to Metropolis sure it might I mean he's talking about Fritz Langen's inspiration a lot This movie especially when you get into literally like people living in different levels of the city You know, yeah, it gets odd and also just the literal the scale and the scope of it I think he was trying to make a very very old-fashioned epic You know like the other movies he was trying to make like a 70s movies in terms of some of the stuff he realizes here Just the amount of extras and the size of the sets and shit like that. Yeah, it feels like he's trying to make like a 30s or 40s movie It's a weird movie. It's a weird movie David yes, you look like a man who doesn't know that fast-growing trees is America's largest and most trusted online Nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers I had no idea Well, David they have all the plants your yard or home needs including fruit trees privacy trees flowering trees shrubs and house plants My home is littered with all of these and they're all grown with care and guaranteed to arrive healthy It's like your local nursery But anywhere you live with more plants than you'll find anywhere else and whatever you're looking for Fast-growing trees, obviously find options that actually work for your climate space and lifestyle for me all inclusive I'll take any kind of tree you got Griffin.

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Uh-huh Michael bay Okay, ryan singer john favro ely raw dunkin jones steven doldry and several other filmmakers who are not named also known as the pussy plastic The new pussy posse to the i'm x theater at light in la to show them the dark night rises And then he says I think he may have just shown them the prologue. Okay, it's december 11 So probably and he says I shot this on i'm x film I added this from the original camera negative look how good it looks film is like important celluloid right like look how great this is like please Be like me like demand you are influential directors like the man celluloid and we can keep this thing alive Nothing it worked, but like it's I just find that interesting. Yeah, how many of those guys continue shooting film? I don't know Maybe like Roth I think i think the right still does yeah, I'm not a big enough nerd about that stuff sure But most of those are not the guys who are really pushing the phone thing hard no Uh, but anyway, so he did that and then they uh they released the movie Yeah, okay, uh july it's same same slot is dark night and july and the same slot is dunker right he loves that slot Apparently they want a dunker in the phone.

He said no, I want it my dark night slot. I want it ended july He's like big willy. He's like big willy style the way the big willy own july fourth personal and once slip in there right at the end of july And and essentially get to run the table in august. Yeah, that's his I think that's he always was encouraged by how dark night did With just owning august so he was like that's the box up spot and it's fucking worked for dunker like you know, he's not wrong Yeah, I was looking at um, I I was talking about uh, dunker pocks office with past and future Yeah You know it's a war movie because I'm access higher ticket prices Because those sell out faster so the demands to see it in that format will last for longer because you can't just all rush an opening weekend And I went to see it just yesterday at the time that we're recording this I did and I was surprised by the amount of like grandfathers with young children there like grandfathers with like young under 10 children So dad movie ma'am.

Yeah, it's a dad movie next week annabelle creation in the glass castle and the Two three movies four we got to that hitman's bodyguard, which is not a movie. Have you seen it? No, I have been invited to I declined Yeah, that's sort of my old joke about jack and jill where I feel like if you walk into the theater They'll give you a polisher's clearinghouse track. No, you got us.

It's not a movie. We just shot a trailer And Logan Lucky, which is a fascinating movie and fascinating release strategy and all that's sure and then right in the 25th All Saints, which is like a Christian movie of john corbett leap which is like some like Belgian animated movie the harvey Weinstein poop I've been emailed about leap which is had like three different names like a million times Well, that's like the the amity made up some song cut to the feeling is for leap. Yes, that's that's how like weird It's whole thing has been that the amityville the reckoning or the wakening or new generation or whatever the new amityville horror movies Yeah, I saw the trailer for that before since city 2 oh boy And harvey's just been shifting it six months at a time ago. We really think january is the right they have no money I did I have no money.

It's it's literally like a ball in the cup game Uh, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, anyway, um, this has been our podcast on the wines. Yeah, exactly. This has been TWC talk Quick talk.

Okay, so the movie opens with Uh the plane plane the plane which I think is just fantastic How do you like about it? Uh how it looks? Yeah, that shot of bane dropping That's my favorite shot of when the the plane is horizontal and then just drops down to the seats with his arms out Oh my god, like right at the camera. This shot for me that really does it is when the plane drops from Yeah, of course.

That's incredible because it's a real thing. They did. Yeah, which is bonkers Uh, they did that, uh, which is I think so much of why I love no lens, uh choice of set pieces where it's not like I can't believe what i'm seeing It's like that's real. I think it's also emblematic of the entire movie, which is the giant motivating forces What stuff I want to do on camera?

Yeah, man, but i'm cool with that in a prologue Agree, you know, like just serious throughout most of the movie. Yeah, I just like seeing little finger get his comeuppance and something What a jerk, uh, yeah, little fingers there. So yeah, little fingers like an fbi guy Get him out of here And he's doing his american accent, which is very similar to his uh british accent Which is very similar to his real irish accent. Uh, when I was at comic con the whole game of thrones cast was saying at her hotel And so I kept on like tapping my cast mates like oh god, it's god.

Look, it's it's ramsi from fast and furious Uh, she's from game of thrones. Yeah, she's from game of thrones. Yeah, look, it's the shitty son from john wick It's the it's the villain from from shanghai nights who bane kidnaps in the plane They're like Shanghai night. He's the villain the main villain in shanghai nights That's kind of a big deal for him in 2002 or whatever And uh, dani yet.

Oh wow or the main two villains And then there's the young child in the movie who turns out to be charlie charlotte who was played by erin taylor johnson Oh here and then the other name The chaplain is a character in shanghai nights shanghai nights is infuriating and you know who directed it wallpecker, right? David dapen up the job. Oh, she's the top king. That's it, right?

I love shanghai noon. I'll stand for shanghai night. I think that's a movie Fucking rules shanghai nights does this dumb trick where they're like there's this little trampoy who keeps on falling in their ventures And they're like you better look out for yourself charles chaplain or one day you'll get yourself into real trouble And then he like rubs his face with soot and it looks like he has a mustache They essentially pulled a robin shit in that movie with charlie chaplain play by erin taylor johnson anyway Uh-huh the villain for shanghai nights is good in this opening sequence tries to fuck with bane bane fucks back uh-huh bane transfuses blood into from one guy into another guy so he can kidnap a doctor and make it look like he died in the plane Uh-huh, but i'm not you don't totally get what the fuck is going on even though they rerecorded the dialogue to make it clearer now They talk about him in mythical terms. They clearly his reputation is a mask right But he kind of just seems like okay.

He's some figure of political uprising What's the game here scary guy with a mask? And then uh, yeah, he uh, disposes of the plane and probably the least efficient and most expensive way possible But it looks cool and thank god they shut down i'm x-gamers And then the movie starts an earnest the score is just going wild too. There's a lot of stuff on that score This is my favorite of the Zimmer Batman scores too. Oh really?

Yeah, I think it's much better with him just cutting loose Sure, uh, it's interesting they asked James new and how to come back. Yeah, and he was like your your inception score was really good I think you guys just got to do it together. I think you guys are very like, uh, creatively inspiring to each other Sure, that's really nice. Uh, so you should just do it.

Um, which is funny and yeah, he makes this Wild theme for bane with the chanting chorus that uh, i love it's really good. Yeah, um, and then yeah, they're like crazy drumming Um, but but he uh, one thing I guess it's kind of interesting to establish here is that that thing where he goes like no You must say they will be looking for a body in the wreckage and the guy doesn't question. He doesn't fight at all No, brother. They expect a body in the wreckage.

Right. The fire rises. Yes So it's like this guy's got a zealots that makes some difference the fire rises makes it. Yes, it's doing a really good I can do this scene because i've watched it so many times the other lines where i sort of forget This is the one where he says it would be very painful for you.

You're a big guy For you I'm rushing this blade. The best way to do a bane impression would be to have someone step on your throat Right. Yeah, all of a sudden, right. Yeah, um, but uh, but that that's like a thing that's interesting like a new wrinkle where it's like, okay This guy's got zealots.

He's got diehards will follow him anywhere Yeah, you know, disciples, you know, the leak of shadows. He's got an army in his his ninja school, right? He's got an army in ninja's ninja school, right? But Joker doesn't really got people he works with whoever's closest at the time He mostly turns people right and Scott's odds But they just change what's in the scene he shoots them a lot.

Yeah, although there is like a devoutness to jokers Uh, but they're all crazy is the idea. They're all just mentally Evulating exactly cuz that's what bahman says is like these people are empty vessels essentially right But bane's clearly got a legion of people who are hanging on is everywhere There's a bit of a cult mentality is the leader of a cult. Yes, that is oil or alert. I guess the league of shadows essentially some version of it Part two.

It's a reboot. It's like a reboot. Yeah, it's like a shitty reboot. It's like a dark Right, right, right, right.

Um, and then we cut to We manner. Uh, does it go straight to the party at that point? Yeah, it goes to the oh it goes to Jim Gordon Eulogize and Harvey Dent on like dent day right national dent day all banks are closed in honor of the big D Yeah, it's funny. There's dent Uh is being honored for the dent act and for like the death he suffered a batman's hands and Geralt in his speeches like once again I just want to reiterate that Harvey Dent is great and there's nothing bad to say about him And then you look at the paper in his hands.

It's like Harvey Dent sucks tell them which I Don't uh, this is one of my big problems with him I think this movie does wrong by Gordon and I think uh old man additionally does wrong by Gordon He does he's playing it is a totally different character Is playing it more like the old man villains? Yes, exactly because he's got that weird quavery voice all of a sudden that he likes to do and and he's way too intense the whole movie Right, he seems to have lost any sort of like guiding light and I understand the point is that this is a gordon Who's made some concessions and lives with some guilt right? Yeah, but it's like the guilt has turned him into the character from Leon the professional Uh, yeah, that's the voice he's doing right kind of it's he's playing a more subdued version of that But it feels like there is no glimmer of the old dent in this which uh, sorry Not that Gordon in this character, but if that was the point that he's so far gone. They should have written it differently Yeah, and It's the idea I think is it's like as they say in this opening scene like he was a wartime hero This is peace time.

So he's like kind of gone to see like he's like bored or frustrated and his wife has left him justifiably Yeah, uh, he was just left him all the time Was it the whole playing a close to the best thing? Real close. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this guy's a bit of a Skarmucci, right?

He gave up everything what a dated reference That's already an incredibly dated reference now three weeks or now or whatever It's gonna be practically like an artifact I said this, you know, so like everyone was so excited about Skarmucci because he's the best character to come out of this whole saga, right? Uh, yeah, right, right. I mean, I think in a lot of ways and uh, everyone's like, oh, Skarmucci, they're gonna make a Skarmucci movie someday sure sure sure then he gets sick canned after 10 days and people go like well There goes the Skarmucci movie. Skarmucci just got better Uh totally assuming there's a little more but yes I think the Skarmucci movie is the third act of good fellow stretch out for an entire running time It's 10 days on the clock and he loses everything I guess so you just because he only did one thing that was just completely maniacally insane I wish he'd done like four things, you know, I guess more might come out But I had the idea that he'd have a lot of time to do anything, you know I like he sold this company, right?

And that was I think part of the reason why his wife left them, correct? Like she hates Donald Trump. She hates Trump too And she was like if you join the administration I will leave you and he tried for six months to get hired So we had a lot of lead time to think it over Still went through with it and then also, you know, calling up the fucking New Yorker and making jokes about auto auto-flicio No, look, he's a funny guy and I think he's great. I can't wait to see his tight ten I think he's doing the couple over mics this week He did JF all new faces, right?

Yeah, and he's gonna be doing stuff at the danger fields Congratulations to former guest, past guest, John Trowridge for making JF all this good, right? Yeah, I think he did, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah James the third as well. Yeah, like even John.

Yep, we're there. Yeah, of course Congratulations to John Brelock who I think beat his own record for live tweeting the fucking dark episode I must have got 50 tweets from that guy Oh boy Guys have a fun relationship Me and John? Yeah, go on. Sorry about Batman Joker I'm not sure who's the Joker.

Okay, okay, cool. All right, so you cut to right I just hate this idea where it's like like I said this sort of too simple logical thing where it's like well Here's how it worked. There was the Dantact that locked up all the mobsters without the Dantact They would be allowed to roam free and of course leek murder would be legal again because the Dantact is the only thing between murder being legal and illegal And of course if anyone ever dared like put on a piece of paper some kind of allegation that Harvey Dent was a bad person Right then this all would come crumbling the fuck down Right as if our country isn't based on a bunch of lies and deceptions that we now know You know other thing is this idea that it's a lie that Batman killed Harvey Dent Which it's not he did kill Harvey Dent. He knocked him off a building right now He had a reason to do it.

That doesn't exist people are like I can't believe Jim Gordon lied about the manner of Harvey Dent's death He actually killed his right to Harvey Dent if you think about it I have to be got his feints burst up face burnt off He went insane he killed at least two people who were involved in his scarring right This would shake the foundation of Gotham the very idea that Harvey Dent after being scarred went a little crazy Right why would people care this much? They wouldn't and it also the dent act is way too tidy because the thing that the dark knight sets up Which is so cool is like okay now Batman's gotta be an outlaw He's gonna take the hit right now the real war on crime begins Because it's not like when crime is the dent act like all corners like better steer clear Gotham that dent act Because essentially this this movie tricks they can pull this movie sets up the dent act like it's like the government went in a striking new Announcement we've decided to make crime illegal Crime is now frowned upon and everyone's like look we gotta respect the dent act we're blowing up these mics You know what I'm saying? It was like they were like from here on out all crime will be illegal. It's like okay Let's stay away from you know what I think Donald Trump should try and pass the dent act on a national scale The dent act is the thing maybe the problem isn't this movie But the fact that we haven't adopted the dent act in real life all crimes should be illegal This is Christopher Nolan's real argument.

Yes He's like only people would use celluloid to make their movies and finally pass the dent act right the clowns in Congress more like the jokers Yes, Richard T We all know the criminals love breaking the law they do but what this movie presupposes is Maybe they shouldn't yeah no more no no no no no This is also making me think like your initial point which is that the off-screen stuff Yeah, it's the good stuff that we're missing out which is like you know killer crock got locked up right off-screen like man yeah Yeah, dead shot all these guys like all basically like the universe of the the cartoon series right is what had taken place Yes, and now you just have the work crime Right and I talked about the dark night episode how there's all the stuff set up directly at the end of that and begins that dark night Doesn't really do and then this movie implies that all that stuff happened in between off-screen And now it's like well now it's all done. He's got the mansion. It's rebuilt everything's nice But he's also got a beard he doesn't like leaving the house uh so that's The scar which is another weird thing about this movie is Nolan's folding his how her shoes obsession into a dark Totally wrote this Howard Hughes script that was like the best script he ever wrote right he would talk about a fear He almost made it which Jim Carrey and Carrey Beat him it was an arms race between him and Michael man who was gonna make the aviator that Michael man dropped out He was like great. I got the lead and then score cheesy jumped in and then he got he got she's beat beat beat Yes, made it fast.

Uh, so right you're right. They're doing this and there was a rumor after inception like oh I've heard rumblings that Nolan wants to go back and actually make the Hughes movie He feels like it's been long enough since the aviator that he heard about rules don't apply and then I mean he took the lesson He did the warning the rules don't apply to be a baby and he's got a step out Uh Nolan uh so yeah, uh why is Batman's leg hurt? Because it is because like that's another thing with like uh his leg injury is so the worst remember when he heard his leg in the dark night I don't know it's the dogs. I think the dogs they bet it maybe I don't know I thought I thought it was clay face.

Yeah, clay face. Fuck that guy's like the dog but this isn't also Jumped off the thing and he lands on Harvey dead Is we just make it like this like old college football injury that he can never get over like a his yeah He's so and then when he put them any size he's like uh luckily he has a leg brace The magical leg brace now you can do anything. Yeah, oh, yeah, right. I forgot about that leg brace Yeah, he does have that anyway, you have all this analogy in the world Why would you just choose to walk with a cane but they make the Howard Hughes jokes like oh here he is?

He's a jolly 30 inch nails. So yeah 30 inch nails. He's listening to nine inch nails. Yeah, but 30 times Yeah, um and see roughly give or take yeah So I guess the idea is that Bruce Wayne is so haunted by the death of Rachel That he can't go over and that's why he's a show because he would think what the way if you want to end the dark night with him not being Batman anymore easy now he's where's Wayne he can be a businessman that is not how the direct his money Yeah, he ends with him telling Gordon let them chase me they need someone I'm gonna take the hit and instead he just is like actually nevermind.

I'm gonna go chill out in my house for seven years give or take Right, right. Yeah, because it would be easy to go like I'm done Batman has caused more damage than he then you know Then he then good Uh, right. Let me peace out and that's the end of the dark night. He retires.

That's fine But of course they can't end the dark night that way because it's boring Well, it would also be boring if he was like knocks him off to me. He's like well I think I know it because don't know Batman's shop here slides down a broad to sources tail And I don't mind the idea that Rachel's death is haunting him But then they use it in this really specific lame nolan Way, yeah where there's no real and then the scene where Alfred is like what if she wrote you a letter? Specifically an answer yet that she wanted to marry Harvey Den not you and then I burnt it to spare your feelings And I'm telling you about it right. I'm sorry quite a hypothetical It's like it's There's a lot of that in this movie exactly the amount of fealty this movie has the last two movies where it's like remember that thing Yes, that's a specific thing.

We're gonna pay it off right now But also some of the inception like I need to have a character explaining exactly what's going on for three minutes Whereas inception as we've said is using that as means to end right to get to a purely kind of visual cinematic state where you don't have to Explain the rules this movie has scenes like when uh in half what can space to face with a daggot My favorite villain in the whole DC universe. He's a real and Mendelssohn. He's a real jag Yeah, yeah, really and he's a drag it's very true Um, but when he's like you're for the clean slate, huh? And she's like yeah, and he's like the device that allows you to clear your entire name a criminal record in one thumb drive Like there's a lot of fucking scenes in this movie where a character just says oh hypothetically if this existed and explains everything Well, then Batman is sent to the worst prison of all time Which actually turns out to be the worst person of all time if you're Robert McKee because the amount of fucking over explaining that's happening It's like now you will be subjected to the true torture Tom Conte explaining things It's the worst prison of all time, but also the only prison where they can fix a broken back in four hours No, it's six months it takes six months.

Okay, but they do use ropes and and they dr. Army hammers tried and tested method ropes. It's also like ropes Sorry, sorry, I bang the table go ahead. Yeah, but they like they gloss over it so quickly They like show you what the procedure is and how much it hurts ropes and then they're like okay It's gonna take about six months and they cut to six months like they're like and that's the final one You know like his like recovery doesn't feel yeah I mean we're just giving I just it's the most amount of like we're being is like now the ultimate pain you must pay You have to spend time in this rehab clinic that like it's not great.

Let's be honest right You're gonna get physical rehabilitation and training and also just like some psychological adjustment Yeah, they're really trying to help me. I mean the guy is goddamn charming. Let's be honest right But it is this bizarre thing where this movie's very long very long. Is it no one's long as moving?

It has to be right? Well, interstellar is very long. Yeah, let me look it up. I've got it for you here.

It's coming the news of the running time Interstellar is or two hours 49 minutes and the dark is this is two hours 45 so interstellar beats it Wow, it's it's a movie that's very long and still feels very rushed Oh, yeah, all those scenes feel like we just got to get this out quickly and it's like yeah What the way to do it be to make the first hour of the movie 20 minutes where it's like beans take over is immediate like in very fast and mysterious And then you spend almost all the movie on the prison and explaining bane and bane's time and Gotham and Batman returning right rather than It's an hour before bane breaks him. Yeah, maybe our 10 like a lot of movies Bruce doesn't put on the student's home in at 45 Yeah, very similar to them again And he's broken at 110. Yeah, and he doesn't return until like to to 150 something. Yeah, yeah, yeah So he returns to Gotham as Bruce Wayne at like 150 I think on the dot and doesn't put the suit on him until almost like two on the nugget so there's very little Batman That's movie.

It's really safe for the end and one stretch in the first act. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry Bart man, I think that's one way to fix the movie. It's it's just it's very That's a way to fix the movie and focus it but it would have to choose what kind of movie it wants to be It does feel like this movie is often an exercising would it be possible make a Batman movie without Batman at all? Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, be interesting because John Blake is really kind of fulfilling the main Batman role for most of the movie Yeah, in a way, he's fulfilling like the narrative function of how Batman needs to how do you feel about John Blake played by Jessica and Levitt.

I really liked him a lot more this time. He's doing a lot of squinting squinting squinting one eye, yeah The idea of John Blake who is Nolan's Robin take yes is it's sort of this mix of the classic Robin I E orphaned boy looks up to Batman right with the Tim Drake Robin the Robin of my childhood Which is the origin of him was that he was a smart kid a detective You know who figures out who Batman secret identity is goes to Bruce Wayne and says I know your Batman Here's how I know can I be Robin and Bruce Wayne's like I like your moxie like, you know, okay? He's the one who's convinced him like I know you don't want to have a Robin because your last Robin died But like look at me. I'm smart like yeah, Jason Todd the lamest of Robin's yeah David yes intentional air about you today.

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Exactly. He bet but then at the end he does yeah, which is Tidy yeah, because there's one thing that happens that exists in the movie They exist only to make John Blake realize that the cops they follow the rules too much and yeah We need a vigilante under a waterfall who's gonna help out the equation So I know we're going out of order here, but it's like it's hard to talk to plot us without trying to diagnose what's going on here Look what isn't going like what is it blank check bingo perfect saying it's hard to do the plot in order is Definitely like that's a given that's the center square. Yeah, right. That's the freebie.

Yeah, but I like his performance actually in this I do like it. I think he's fine. I think it's yeah He's just a funny thing with the only where he's like the second movie in a row by an actor He likes yes the second performance is often like a little worse I think he's actually a little better in this than inception. I keep it's in the movie better in inception See out of control.

Yeah, we're both doing a real Joe go face in here. I think it's one of two things Okay, I think either he should have just said this is Dick Grayson Mm-hmm or this is you know, I'm very Temptry whatever name the character outright and said my version of this character is a cop. I agree with you I do I will admit that in the theater I did get this little like flutter of excitement when I really when he goes like oh try my legal name And I was like oh I hadn't even thought about this he's gonna be Robin like and it did genuinely take me by surprise I got that flutter as well. It is so sweaty that scene It's detective John Blake.

I'm not seeing a John Blake. Oh, right. It wouldn't be under John Blake. Not my name My name is Robin the boy wonder right here.

Let me hand you my photo I do not say my name out right my legal name. What is it? Oh? I like that name you should use it more often Robin Okay, fuck you so his name is John Robin Blake or John is his middle name and Robin's his first name Robin John Blake.

I don't know okay. I mean, you know, but also hey man What's Batman forever's explanation of the Robin name? What he has a cool bike helmet with a Robin on it Yeah, pretty cool. It's not Robin's name.

It's his nickname Yeah, his name is Dick Grayson right so then you'd have a Robin who has to change his superhero name because it would be his identity It is funny that he's Robin. It's like what's the natural companion of the bat? You know I'm saying I think there's a version this movie where he goes look the Nolan verse Robin a little fat bird The Nolan verse Robin is a spiritual Robin sure yeah, I named the character Tim Tim Drake or Dick Grayson Yeah, he's a cop. He's not gonna get into the suit It's the idea of actually we're taking a different form being able to go through it the straight way rather than the way the Bruce Wayne Thinks the only way to actually affect anything is by putting on the mask, right?

Yeah, he's like a counterpoint. Do you think the DC EU was gonna do Robin? Where's there Robin? They're Robin's dead.

Yeah, but they got another one. They'll do one. It's not because the Jason Todd is dead Right. That's the idea.

Yeah, there's a lot of talk about Nick wing, right? Whatever what the people give the people what they want like wait, which the like Batman director is going to do yeah Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not great. I'm so excited for that I think it'd be more interesting if they did like female Robin.

They either did like what's your name? Cassie For your last name now or the dark and returns character well there's the dark returns character Which is a kid who shows up in it like let me fight who I love that character I'm speaking of spoiler the uh, but yeah, right the dark night returns one is Cassie. Yes, the dark and return one says Cassie Brown's one is one who is spoiler than she was Robin and then she was back girl, right and now they're doing a back girl movie Supposedly with just I think it's my record probably current back girls really good on a few read it. Yeah, it's awesome Isn't also current that woman pretty cool like don't people talk about that?

I don't read it What I was gonna say is watching this I almost was taken with this idea I don't know if this is dumb right talking about what's the way to handle this character? I almost think the other way to do it is definitely I think the first hour this movie has to be 20 minutes Yeah, right? That's a good pitch, right? Right?

It's really on the first hour of the movie. It's like let me try and go through It's like you've got a party Bruce Wayne is a recluse. Okay, he's holding things as mentioned Wayne Manchin has been restored But it's all covered in sheets, but he throws parties there he hides in the shadows He hides for ten to be a caterer Selena Kyle there's a lot of kaselina Kyle large and stuff We got to get to her because I actually think she's one of the stronger parts of the Best performance in the world. Yeah, so you've got a lot of like Selena Kyle the cappernular She's playing these villains like daggot off of each other.

You gotta get out of this She's after that and she's sort of a philosophical cowboy She's doing it to survive, but she also is it's a 99% kind of whatever she has a whole speech about the uprising The resistance and then you've got like Miranda Tate who's this like heir to the business world who is not ever established properly Oh, I think she's wonderful. No, of course. It's a fucking disaster But it's so weird how clumsily they insert her and just accept the idea of her is that she's a nice lady who Alfred and Lucius and maybe Everyone else is like you should really marry Bruce Wayne. Well, it's like she's she's this weird sort of like moral center, right?

Yeah, and sort of force for good When he comes out to the party and she sees him She's like oh you've been dodging all my calls like the idea that he's been ignoring her attempts to get the Wayne Foundation to Stop to the plate and do some good right then it turns out They've been doing that good even though they have been communicating with her then they kind of immediately fall in love Then they place her at the head of Wayne Industries, and then she's tall Well, it's the last part. That's the the huge problem right which I think she could have been Talia from the beginning Look all right, so here's my should we just get to that here's my problem with that Okay, I mean the movie is positing Talia the woman who survived the only one to ever escape right like this bad ass Yeah, and then we learn she's the daughter of Liam Neeson ninja king right and then she like what does she do? She drives a car for five minutes and then dies like they don't give her any any chance right which feels like a waste Can I give you my alternate pitch for this movie? Yeah, go for it So crime has not been solved right completely Sure, right?

Right, but that's kind of the pitch of the dark anyway going right okay But things are preceded but Bruce is at this like moral crossroads where he just feels like he doesn't know he's still Batman But he's parts not really in it anymore right kind of an analog to Nolan I think that's better right okay Just sort of part-time Batman right although I guess although I guess yeah, but anyway, okay, then Talia and Bain arrive sure okay Not Miranda Tate Talia. Hey, I'm rosh uncle's daughter He really wants that twist for some reason but it the movie loses so much I agree okay So Talia and Bain show up right and she's like here's my philosophy. Here's what I'm preaching right He's my fucking muscle guy on the ground right because I kind of like once there's that final scene where you set up the weird Relationship between Talia and Bain right you know this like like the relationship could be interesting I would love to play throughout the entire movie So those are two good actors right be nice to see them be able to play off each other and give Bain other things to play Yeah, not that Tom Hardy isn't doing everything that he's handed very well But it'll be nice of the character more dimensionality right yeah Batman goes to fight Bain and is broken and rather being thrown to the pit he's recovering at Wayne Manor So rather than the reckless stuff at the beginning of the movie that's when he sort of enters his reckless phase But do they still take over the city like in the same way he's like in hiding but they don't know he's Bruce Wayne correct Because of course part of it is like Selena lifts the fingerprint they figure out that this was right right right right but the two allies He's made at the beginning of the movie or Selena Kyle who is her uneasy alliance with right right and Dick Grayson okay young up on up and up a cop, you know Who hasn't totally figured out that he's Batman but kind of sees something in him Mm-hmm, and you kind of go into a Batman beyond type thing okay where feeble Bruce trains Robin to be the new Batman people Would people would have freaked out about that I agree want Batman they want that I agree right right right right right right right I mean that's what I feel maybe that's what I feel like the problem is I think Nolan knew I don't want to make Five of these I got everything up here. I know but it's just strange that in deciding he wanted to wrap everything up Yeah, he's like okay, okay I'm gonna make a direct sequel to Batman begins that almost ignores that the dark night ever happened Yes, because if this movie had come out after Batman begins It's just like that I'm against it right and it's like it had actually been from 2005 to 2012 Yeah, then there's more logic to it It's just about the bat members of the League of Shadows still instead the dark night happened in the middle And of course this movie is very connected to dark night because it has the dent act of notorious act and the Rachel death outlaw criminality Throughout the land sorry three times.

He's having to turn my fucking mic down But also the Joker's never mentioned I think I have deference and respect they don't do that It feels weird that the movie never does the Joker no like I'm a story fan right and of course that was a lot of There was a lot of discussion of that throughout the pre-production of the movie like is he gonna use archive footage Is he gonna have any kind of reference to the Joker right Nolan who is a smart and compassionate man was like no What it's more you don't have other villains going around the city especially when they release everyone from black a prison Especially when you still have these Arkham asylum guys. Yeah, like it's weird that it's just like Ben and Talia Who are this cult and then scarecrow who's just a judge now? He's just Judge John Hodgman, you know with his fake court sure I like his fake court I do too. I do like when he goes death by exile.

He's funny. He's very funny in those little scenes Well what I would do I mean I would make a movie where it's not that Dick Grayson becomes Robin or becomes night wing It's literally like I need you to put on the suit because Batman's a symbol He means more than me and someone needs to be out there as Batman to protect people and at the end you have Bruce come on with his Right finally Harness and he wears the armored suit and the two of them fighting shit They did the armored suit and Batman versus Superman. It's not like that I hadn't anyway That's I think the cleaner version of that story without having to do all the twists and turns right where he's this is the one movie Where the twists aren't for any larger narrative purpose. They're not saying anything.

It's just gotches Yeah, you know and he loses so much by spending all the shoe leather trying to misdirect you at Sony different points Yeah, I mean the whole fucking fake out with bane being the kid in the pit is just like who gives a shit What are you talking about? And also you know that's not bane like even if you haven't guessed the twist yet You're like look the big guys bane like you figured it out. It's so hard. So it's Joey King like the it's a girl It's a girl.

I mean that's not everyone's guessing that a little bit but but yeah, no We're not all as big Joey King fangs is thanks as you and I well Zach graph the number one Joey King I never saw that movie. Yeah, they work together and I was the great powerful and then he wrote that Anyway, I wish I wish you were here. Yeah, I wish I was here wish I wish I was there What's the name of the fucking movie? Wish You were here now I want to look it up you cuz I remember there was like a lot of complaint that it was actually grammatically incorrect I wish I was wish because there's also the Matthew Wiener movie that has the weird title Matthew Wiener movie is not fade away.

Isn't it or is that the David Chase? The Matthew Wiener movie was called You are here and I think they retell it are you here the Matthew right? It was called you are here and now I want to look I think it was retell it are you here? That's the stupidest title ever heard.

I mean it's my favorite part of gardens right are you? Can I tell you guys my favorite part? Yeah? The lesson that you yell at dumps I believe you have complained about this on this very podcast before and I love it.

It's you're it sticks in your craw to this day I'm from New Jersey. Uh-huh, so then we must pull it down much. Yeah, I mean it's really it's about the guard lady It's Jersey right and it really does. Yeah, 100% yep.

I had a rich friend, you know much is in that movie, right? Mooch Sometimes when I'm feeling really unoriginal I decide to do something that no one has ever done before Wish I was here fuck you that's so hard what it's called and I think everyone was like I think it should be wish I were here I can't remember So anyway, how the fuck did we get on wish I would have done I would have done the movie where you sell it all as Batman Yeah, right and then oh my god 30 45 minute mark maybe even take an hour right Batman's back is broken and he can't fight The other and then becomes just a court and let it in the suit until Batman finally gets his magical mechanical harness I can see this right because the other problem was the way they advertised it anyone with half a brain knew that Bane was gonna break Batman's back. It's like why big Bane if you're not gonna do that and the primary villain I'm trying to remember the trailers exactly but I remember they certainly suggested a fight where Batman is beaten down Like I did not maybe show you the back-breaking moments, but it's you know and so you kind of knew that was coming anyway So that's all they could show because that's the only Batman stuff Yeah, I remember the trailers really tried to sweat like very few funny lines in this movie because there was the one where she's like My mom told me about getting cars with strange boys. It's not a car.

It's not a car And then there's one other where oh yeah, it's like oh your wife took your car and he's like my wife Yeah, have you seen the ABC family trailer about me? It's great. Don't you check it out? So good.

Yeah, does it come in black? I remember the week that Batman big I'm sorry Bartman begins came out on best week ever Yeah, because you're best week ever the whole thing was they would like pick a take on the topic and then ask all the standups to riff In the direction of that predetermined take okay That's what the writers would do is like what's our angle on this? Okay, their angle was Batman and throbbing and it was everyone talking about how this was the sexiest Batman ever Like they thought that was gonna be the dominant narrative of that movie in terms of public response was like they had like catwoman and stuff No, no for Batman begins. Oh, oh for Batman.

Oh, they're like kidding homes So the new Batman movie came out this weekend and Batman's hot now like that was the whole segment Uh-huh being like I'm used to it did a dough the battering but this about dick or ring How we doing? You know, we've also never talked about what tank man begins. What is that? Okay?

Jesus, why did I have cuz we gotta do this as a catch all for all the dark Actually, we haven't talked about what the fuck is tank man begins? It was one of the special features on the Batman begins DVD It was an MTV parody from the year that Jimmy Fallon hosted the MTV movie where Andy dick appears to be involved Yes, he does that and it is do I've never seen this it's on the DVD and they didn't have a lot of features on the DVD Sure sure it was like weird that Nolan chose to include this. Oh, that's funny It's like oh god I'm hosting the MTV movie awards and I'm running late How am I gonna get there in time and then Batman shows up with the tumbler and then they do the whole he's driving on rooftops Sequence I got you where he's got to pass out Rachel Dawes except a super pose Jimmy Fallon in he's making a bunch of jokes about Batman And everyone keeps on misidentifying him as tank man the joke is they keep on going this guy's driving tank Let's be tank man or something and it's so fucking sweaty because I used to love those that funny Yes, the MTV movie where it's I'm sorry, but this one is like a disaster and they put it on the DVD and there's a point Maybe the one good joke in the entire thing is they cut to Jimmy Fallon doing the most offensive Italian stereotype like like Mario brothers shit Where's like this me the shingle man? I have finally finished shingling this rooftop Tankman tankman never heard of that one's a bad movie.

Okay, not as bad shrek 40 I'm moving nonetheless, right? Okay, so I like tank girl. Yeah, cool. They're gonna reboot that feels like that feels like something that feels very We're like five minutes from like all those 90s thing.

We're gonna get like a lily. I'm in poor exact tank girl Yeah, the bad bitch is so bad. I haven't seen it. Oh, that was a rough move.

So they titled it correctly It's indeed the bad movie. So Selena Kyle, yes, she's a cat burglar Yes, she has night vision goggles Which if you flip him up kind of looks like look at years We all design night vision goggles that the furthest out most edges of them protrude a little more So if you were flipping up on the top of the head little bit cat ears cuz I remember when it was announced He's doing cat woman in this one. He's cast and Hathaway. Yeah, people were like fuck that right Catwoman I conically done by Michelle P.

Obviously probably in my opinion the best performance in comp Movie ever it's right up there. It's the best of your performance of my money. She's so good and Hathaway I'll look at weird choice at this point. Let me find the actual filmography because I want to get it exactly right I mean she's come at Rachel get married she already had an Oscar in the pocket Rachel getting married is 2008 So people are like, okay, you've proven that you are the talent that you've been positioning yourself as in a weird way Cuz there was this kind of thing where she kind of like suddenly was in these serious movies and then was like and Hathaway You know, I think she's gonna broke back.

She is it's small Rachel getting married. She really starts up the way Yeah, she's excellent. I she wouldn't like when are that yeah, she's good. She's excellent And then the 2009 she's got one movie boy.

Is it a winner right or sir? Her hair is blue Written by it's blue Casey Wilson June Diana. Yeah, yeah, then in 2010 She's in Valentine's Day small because we literally the mics have caught on fire. Yeah, yeah if you're gonna yell just back off Whoa, it's blue My hair is blue Valentine's Day Alice in Wonderland love and other drugs It's just a weird run after she proves herself to be like a serious real actress of not doing any serious real deal parts I think she's gonna find an awesome wonderland.

I was a disaster. I don't like her in love and other drugs I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it. Oh, she's like movie just feeding up pissed off about that Yeah, that was a hard pass 2011 she does Rio and one day Do you remember the gym?

Someone someone some people are like, oh, maybe that's gonna be like a Classic for my head and it goes nowhere. It's kind of bad. So Right, she's not my own screaming cat woman right now. She's in a weird zone She still has that reputation as like a theater kid.

Do you remember the jail on Hall of another drugs controversy? Because they were like this movie's got a lot of sex Cares are gonna fuck a lot. Uh-huh and then some early like bootleg leaked out of one of their sex scenes Uh-huh and in the low-res quality people were like, oh my god fucking Jake Gyllenhaal his dick is humongous Look at his dick and then it turned out it was like the bedboats Because it's like Remember this at all History big stick in cinema right it was like a ladder behind the bed Okay, whatever, but then this year she's in this movie acquits herself great. Yes, I think she does a great job I think she's a really excellent.

I think she's a better performance in the phone. I probably I love Hardy Yeah, she's less caddy. She's just doing a different thing which is wise and I don't go for it Yeah, cuz Fifers real caddy. She's only a good shit.

Yeah, and of course Halle Berry had probably shown us how to not do right Michelle Fife for right Well, the other thing was you know when they announced that and halfway been cast and I remember Kutti are was kind of like kutti are and kutti are kuku kutti are mmm She's kuku and Rachel vice were like the two big fan cast choices for Katwa No, they were the Rachel vice was the one everyone wanted to be Talia That was like the most boring thing people would say online all the time because she looks like Talia as Ron But there were there were rumors from the gecko. Oh, he's gonna have cowlan. He's gonna have Talia and so then they were like No Miranda Tade everyone's like fuck this. Yeah, well for sure It was like a John Harrison in Star Trek situation I remember those being the two names that kept on being thrown around for those two characters And they both felt like no one people and then halfway came out of nowhere But in the announcement they said pathway has been cast to play Selena Kyle like they pointedly didn't say catwoman But Tom Hardy was cast they said Bane, you know So everyone's like oh, it's gonna be something where he doesn't actually have her be catwoman So when the first photos came out She was just like a jewel thief in a suit and she didn't seem very catlike There was like the question of how much they were gonna go full catwoman in this movie Yeah, and I think they go full catwoman within their interpretation of catwoman.

Yeah, which is a jewel thief who accidentally looks like a cat You can't remember does she have claws she has she has the only claw thing that she has is the deal Yes, yes, she doesn't do any right She doesn't have a way up she doesn't drink milk ever in this order a white Russian hold the vodka and Kalua Which is what hallyberry does in catwoman no purring no purring she doesn't constantly have a fully intact fish skeleton hanging out of her mouth Drumming on trash cans Hangin out with top cat Exactly she's not chasing all marks of the shelf I first work She's not giving me allergies But she wins the Oscar the same is what I'm saying like it's funny she wins the Oscar for layman's comes up the same year crazy Yeah, and so it's not great year for her. Yeah, um, but I prefer her in this I would have nominated her for that too And I also really I really like to see when she's kidnapped the congressman played by fucking what's his name? Brett Cullen yeah, where he's got a lot of really good actors in like day player unnamed character and gorman man I mean I love that guy's face and no one knows how to use his face I mean he's got some face working that guy can bathe in the river That guy sometimes lives in the river what a ham I love it well in Devain plays like a president for half a second on a TV That's embarrassing. Yeah, but that scene where one of the many scenes that I would cut to be clear if I'm revamping this movie Where she has the whole clean slate self-honey With yeah, she's like I use the congressman's self and you're like she kidnapped a congressman like what the fuck are you talking about?

And then the cops first in and she immediately starts shrieking like she's yeah been kidnapped herself Yeah, and crying so good. It's a great pathway bit where it's like she's a theater kid. She's annoying theater kid She's perfect at it. Yeah, I love her in this.

I love her an interstellar I think no one is really good at unlocking and the thing she does really well This is you know the the unfair critique of Hathaway who I think just gets a really really unfair shake Um is that she like she tries too hard. She wants us to like her too much, you know, they're like theater kid thing sure I think that's always been the hit on it very tied to my side today, but um I think he harnessed in this and interstellar an element from Rachel getting married But she hadn't done before that which was like oh she can do good I don't give a fuck sure in the tune of movies. She's like I'm steadfast. I know what I'm doing I don't give a fuck about you Which is a different shade for the most directors ask I agree you're right because essentially this whole movie is Batman being like You're not so bad.

I just come on. She's like, I'm a piece of shit Suck yeah, I took your fingerprint. I literally led you to bane so he could cripple you We're trying to play catwoman sounding like lenny clark Hey, baby. Fuck yo Fuck yo Batman.

I remember he lost a ton of weight and you were like whoa Yeah Good luck Lossing we try to find it We're getting really caddy in this episode. I like that wake up Um And then finally her big hero moment is he puts her on the bat pod and she kills bane with it She kills bane. Yeah, she shoots him in the body and yeah, yeah, and uh, yeah, she's really good on the bat pod Although it does make the question why did batman just shoot bane with that pod? Yeah Um, I think that kiss moment is totally fucking unearned.

It's like clearly like they just want to kiss I think you could still get away with that final moment with them at the restaurant. Oh, yeah, they admire each other Right, right. So yeah, that's another thing in this I'm very bad right at the beginning of the movie Tricia feels like oh yeah, she'd be Batman He's like don't you do it. No, no, no But very not bad.

You know, it's not you and all that stuff right getting into this thing that like He's like suddenly the dark his whole face is wobbling cane sells it better than old men right in this He's phenomenal. Uh the crying scene at the grave, right? You're like right he can do this shit like drop of a hat and kind of an underwritten role like get cane sells it really hard But it's weird this movie asks both Gordon and Alfred Batman's two closest friends and most trusted allies to both just get really mean and angry about Everything that's the thing because the king's like kind of just like he's been Batman's been in self-imposed exile for seven years And can is at the point of the start of the movie gently nudging him to maybe go outside a bit more Right. He's like maybe I'll be Batman's like no he drops the tray Then he's losing his mind.

Oh And freeze out of him and says I used to go you know what I'll go to a fucking place in Florence get fennebranca Then I'm always hoping I'll see you over there the second There's a lot to load on to Bruce Wayne right at one 15 20 minutes of the movie and also the second They cut away to show him sitting at a restaurant ordering the front of bronca looking around You're like here's the fucking ending of the movie like they give it away too much It's like I still like it one fennebranca I like it as an ending But I think it's like Nolan's not following the own like rules of a magic trick that he lays out in the prestige Like he keeps on showing you the wrong good take he forgot to forget sepresteiges Yeah, that's true because of course it's the same we ran to tatre he's like yeah Who could she be certainly just someone who's interested in clean nuclear power? Right nothing else right like he never makes us definitely wouldn't cast Mary on courtyard in any other role Right rasha cool is very important though. Let's let's talk about it. Let's keep on talking about rasha What about this clip where he's saying he had a wife?

Yes and a child and a child and we don't stay in the gender Dagget Nobody does feel like you know So often the the Nolan puzzle thing right and I think it is it's the reason why I think prestigious is this movie is that people Misidentified as a puzzle thing, but it really is a magic trick thing He wants to be able to pull off a greater thing. I'm getting the attention the wrong thing Right he wants the applause he wants the applause he's huge acumen, you know He wants to just be the technician that christian bale is but he wants the applause and you know Uh, he has too much finesse and style to do the christian bale thing the first time he does the reappearing man where he doesn't know how to sell it Where people don't even understand what they're looking at he wants to give you the pieces like he does inception Give you the pieces clearly so that you're impressed with what he's pulled off Right, but this movie he's not doing it He's not putting in the work and I think it's because he can't figure out what the one singular thing He's aiming at is and if the movie is about Gotham City hanging in the balance I think Gotham is less of a character in this movie than it is in the first two mostly because like I say the design changes so intense That you really almost feels like it's taking place in a different city I think that's big and I also think there is less time spent with the civilians of Gotham in this movie You know, I mean you're really focusing on John Blake you're focusing on uh, Selena kal who represents a certain strain of disenfranchisement Yeah, go go to shibi rashekos thunder Good day people thought she was gonna be someone right? I thought she was gonna be spoiler spoiler. Yeah, whatever Anyway, it may seem ever did poison.

I've it seems like a classic Nolan villain. Yeah. Yeah, uh, We still humpty dumpty sure calendar man hit that calendar up Uh, but we haven't really talked about being that much. No, let's talk about being he rolls.

He's a really good friend Not quite a third friend, but you know, yeah, I think it doesn't dirty a little bit doesn't dirty by not giving he's all show He's all uh, he's lead strong. He's front loaded He's also not in that much of it. Well, he's not in that much of it after the first hour because the first hour He's in the obviously the plane scene is all about him and then you have him gathering his forces underground There's the scene where Gordon rumbles him and he you know kills a couple of his so comic book He that this movie is about like Gotham like all the cops having to live in the sewers This is why I want to keep talking because yeah, we're deep in this episode But we do have to talk about all this weird shit. Yeah, it's very comic bookie He builds an underground player directly underneath the armory of Bruce Wayne He knew where was which means he knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman That doesn't choose to do anything about it.

His whole plan is so convoluted And it's like Nolan has this idea of him as this imposing person that is brilliant in my opinion because Tom Hardy isn't that big No, he's maybe 220 pounds tops like all muscled up Like he photographs photographs big and it's the same thing as doing the plane thing real like if it's real And it works way better than if you just over you know like CGI or make up some guy to look comically large or higher wrestler And I think he does a really good job of I don't mean I think it was smart that he didn't choose to build himself as like muscles Pal muscles but just give himself a lot of bull. Yeah, he's just like a tree trunk He's not that defined but he looks like a bouncer at the bar, right? And of course he's bald the way he's dressed is wonderful. The mask is very intimidating The best is amazing the best and then it's like big furry coat He's got this sort of like part dictator Yeah part like my club bouncer like part like mobster from Russia And he does it like the scene with Daggett the do you feel in control scene where he lays his open hand What's this part like front down like palm up on his shoulder back your back your hand you should know it well I'm so tired.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I am You know that scene? Yes Where and it's like that's all he needs to do to convince you of his physical strength, right? And then you cut away and you're here day going like He's like well and that's you know being in the comics was written to be a genius a genius He's gorgeous right right he's both right he's both uh and then he had sort of been diminished through various properties I mean by the way around a lot of the damage of just making him the muscle Yeah, you know just making him purely a physical force without that sense of strategy, you know He's mindless in that movie right and but that's the thing so you've got all this and then you're like what's his plan His plan is to seal Gotham off right and Have a nuclear bomb that's part of this like nuclear power plant that Bruce Wayne built but never used Power to the people but not for any clear reason He doesn't actually because in that big speech that you write the podcast off with He's saying like I'm gonna pretend like I'm giving power to the people and then blow them up So it's like him trying to do the the rational ghoul thing that he was trying to in the first way So why waste all the time?

Why would you ever just blow them up if you got the bomb just blow them up? He's got this idea where there's a trigger man who is uh turns out to be Talia who blow up the bomb at any point uh, but uh He wants to read that's trying to prove a point about the people and their their intense and what points he proves He's not proving any point in the point has no gains him. It's not like philosophically That's what he believes in like the joke here Right where he's like The many will have power over the few got any locks the police away in this like crazy thing We learned them all underground. It's like okay, so he hits police he hits government But then he lets the criminals out and gives them all machine guns.

So it's like he's supposed to be like oh, I love bane He's really cleaned up the city and then of course his big moments are he blows up a football field Right, which is this like impressive shot, but it's because it's CGI. Yeah, it's one of those no one things It doesn't really work for me. It's fine and it would be impressive in another movie because the rest of it's so practical Like you can tell all that stuff with the bat that they were actually hanging with the bat is awesome You can tell that they use the CGI to green screen You know the wires or whatever, but you can tell there's actually a fucking physical thing It's a very it's a cool thing in my opinion. It's a very very cool thing So then when you have the football stand, it's what you have the striking imagery It jars with the rest of Nolan's like dog And it seems to prove no purpose except because he's just announcing himself Right and then so he does that and wait, I lost my train of thought here Uh, oh, then he reads the speech by Jim Gordon where he's like in fact listen to Jim Gordon and saying like see this piece of paper proves it And everyone's like oh, it must be right.

He's got a piece of paper There's a Looney Tunes character your band person sounds like I'm close to figuring out who you're being Marvin the more. Yes, that's what it is. You sound like Marvin the Martian great Can I control your city? Yes.

Yes. Nailed it nailed it nailed it nailed it. I can sleep now Now I can go to sleep now. I just love the idea of Marvin the Martian being the villain Love Marvin the Martian.

I'm got the message. Just right. You will have my permission to die You do a much better Marvin the Martian. Okay, let's see.

Uh, so you came back to die with your city It's good. Jesus. That's a really good So my problem with Bane is his plan just seems to end up being a story mechanic Great to let Batman go away heal up with Tom Conte, Raccoon tour, legend of British theater And then get his back right right climb out of the pit using the rope But then he doesn't use the rope the pits supposed to be another non-literal version of the Lazarus pit Right is that the idea? So because it's like oh, there's a Lazarus pit.

Oh, there's a Lazarus pit for example check out this press photo of a pond That has to be the Lazarus pit Lee and he's coming back and instead Lee and he doesn't come back for one like vision Yeah, which is confusing. Yeah, where he's like let me explain to you how it all works I'm the father of not bait. Anyway, how would I know that goodbye right like it's so weird. Yeah He shows up to trigger a flashback to a thing that actually happened Josh pants You know Because the Josh back is triggered by Tom Conte not by niecing Remind him that he had a wife and that's that's what being a pro is when you trigger a Josh pants flashback Tom Conte, man.

It's so funny. I can't ask him to let me do that on drafting. They were like you're not ready group To trigger Josh man. So can I say something that triggers a flashback to bow Callahan and he's gonna like if you're not ready You're not going to level you gotta go to pit for six months and have him wrap some ropes around you with army hammer Like army hammer plays the bald guy who's one yes He's a chameleon the pits really weirdness movie too because it's like a jail without guards not guards that Not that intense.

It's like it's just a bunch of old guy shuffling around a very weird amount of stairs who have kind of found inner peace and life Yeah, they seem all very chill right and want to There's more on TV to like a Gotham local news. This TV is particularly weird What he's like the worst prison in the world the only shadow we got is Fox five And we're told That chicken We're told over and over again by the people in the prison How bad the prison is and how like it was such a miracle that talia escaped us A man as a scoot is dead if he comes down here. No one gets out of the pit alive old. Let's see how many warme apples Neil Rosen gave Valerian Do you want your eggs scrambled or poached today the only options in the worst prison There's no guards and they're like look only the worst people end up in this prison But if you can make it out alive, you're pretty cool.

No, the rules of this prison are you can't leave The only way out is to climb that thing and the only thing you have is a rope And stones set into the wall and you get as many tries as you want Yes, many tries you want but be careful and make sure to wrap that rope around you Oh, and also if you do get to the top you can let everybody out Oh, no, also if you do get up to the top there is a private plane waiting right there to take you wherever you need to go Because batman gets out of there wearing rags and he shows up in Gotham the next day and he's like hey, salina I got here, but the bridge is yeah, well, I'm here the pits kind of just like big brother I guess like survivors. Yeah, it's like I'm a man of you right? Yeah, right? Yeah That's so weird and that's too bad because I do like a lot of the imagery I like how the pit looks yes like I like even the sort of like the cut to Gotham in the snow And the the tumblers are rolling around and jump lakes making a little batman marks Everywhere in chalk and like the imagery is there and Nolan's command of these pieces is there It's a very well directed movie in terms of directing that script the best anyone possibly could but he doesn't know what story he's telling And then when you get to the climax, it's this I mean it's sweaty like you say It's a clusterfuck we have to get the bomb that he's been driving around because today's the day it blows Which feels like a weird homage to the Adam West Batman movie where he's really done.

Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah, and then also we need to have this strange image of a mob of cops fleeing down the street Charging the people in this like, you know, yeah Sequence yeah the whole thing's odd and the whole sense of like okay Gotham's gone underground They're only a couple cops, but they can't even admit who they are modines a yellow bellied coward teen I think he's not bad if he dies. I know brutal. Yeah, um But but I think You know Yeah You know like as much as it can be pinpointed as like the moment where he gets kind of sloppy and unfocused For the larger philosophy of the movie the two boats thing in dark knight really does a lot You know, like even if it's weird storytelling it makes Gotham matter and the fact that he gives the people that choice and they make the right choice matters And this doesn't do anything like that.

I'm not saying they need to have two boats again I'm not saying any tap human beings, you know regular citizens rising up and making their own choices and doing the right thing But the the movie doesn't have enough of a sense of place Considering how much the plot is about Gotham Gotham being hobbled being removed from the rest of the world So how do they make the bat signal in gas onto the Brooklyn Bridge? That's a waste of time I'm sorry I know you want people to know the batman's back But like how many men had to climb up that bridge and just with a paintbrush just run gasoline up and down it I think the wing is a little more of a 20 degree angle. Okay. Thank you Down the whole time fuck we gotta start over.

Yeah, right. Let's go the other side Uh, it's a weird movie very weird movie The ending is he fights bane beats him and bane is like what I broke you Like he's like surprised even though he left him in the prison to not die Right He beats bane by punching him a bunch and then Selena shoots him and then Tally shows up stabs batman Yes, gives a whole speech long speech drives the bomb around for five minutes dies very quickly And she's the kind of the word winner so she does kickstart a couple of pin slashbacks She knew how to do it Good job. Thank you Uh the most mocked and inexplicable death scene right? Yeah, that is just where she's just sort of shakes her head and she's dead She's just suddenly shows up wearing supervillain clothes She does she's wearing this sort of like middle-eastern like Cathan thing right where that's very tied to the I mean she's wearing like the kamata Nabe sort of Outfit from him again a more muted version of that Okay, and I just oh right yeah, we know it's like no one's a meticulous moment.

Yeah, he puts a lot of effort into this stuff, right? How is that the take they use of her dying? Yeah, it has to be a conscious choice, right? Like co-teards like I want to play it this way.

It's a weird take You know, Wally fister. This is the last movie that they worked on together. I would love to know why that's the take sure Like what does it just because co-teards like no? This is my conception of how she dies and that's how I want to play it because I cannot believe that all the takes were like that If otherwise, you know what I mean sure it's I would love an answer to that Would you agree that it's a much mocked thing on youtube the sort of the co-teard death scene I also think this characterization ends because of the amount of time they spend with the mr.

Act which never works right they never sell it properly is shitty because one of the things that's interesting about Talia's a character is that Uh, she is a genuine romantic partner for Batman Right, but they do have a real relationship even though they stand on opposite sides of what they represent You know, like it's not just like oh they fucking then they fight they turn each other Like the sex scene is weird Sweaty really is a sweaty stuff. Yeah needs it to happen so it hasn't happened Right, it's like very pushed along but I also think like the moment she reveals herself to be Talia It's like I'm all bad and the thing that's interesting about Talia is a character you can't figure out if she's all bad You know that like well, maybe there's something there, right, you know, you already have that with catwool Exactly. So I don't have to have both of them I just think and as I said already it's just weird to have her not do anything physical Okay, when the whole point of the prison is I mean not the whole point because it's psychologically But like it's such a physical achievement to leave it and the League of Shadows is like such a ninja-like physical organization I will say this. I don't know if I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I think I'm right about this Co-tier just had a baby right before the movie And there was like everyone wanted her to play catwoman They were like oh the pregnancy she might not be able to then they announced half the way that she delivered the baby And then they cast her and her announcement came a little later and I think they maybe shot her stuff towards the end She might have written out physical stuff because she was in a recovery state Yeah, I mean that seems plausible I'm trying to find in her personal life her children In 2011 they had the first child of son in 2017 their second child of daughter with Guillaume Kannet Yeah, the guy who made the beach No, he didn't make it.

She's in the beach. Yeah, what did he make? He's a direct movie. That was American blood times.

Tell no one was his big right. That's a good movie That's like a little French. I'm not crazy He drives me a little crazy, but but but it is it's a weird use of all these characters Now when the movie came out everyone was like how are they gonna fucking top the show? How are you gonna do this?

And I remember everyone being very disappointed with being at the time But Bain's staying power has been kind of astonishing. Yeah, because for a movie that is so unusual and no one's ever tried anything like it's right It's a generally disliked movie. Yeah, because I would say the movie came out good reviews I got like 95 percent. No, no, and because it's very impression-sized.

Yeah, it's epic scale thing And the talk tonight reaction was so positive and in the inception right? Yeah, so right and then quickly it's reputation to manage right Bain's reputation Yeah, I would agree increased because it was weird is that like the Bain love isn't like well It's kind of like a weird like curio like this bad performance in a bad movie that's Bad I almost burp there while saying bad A bad performance in a bad movie that is interesting for unintentional reasons. It is like well This movie is like a Bain's good all the Bain shit's good. Bain's kind of largely He's interesting as a construct.

It's a good design. It's great performance and Bain also remains funny Like in the way that I was saying it's the opposite way of saying of like I feel like Ledger's Joker's been diminished a little bit Yeah, just like people run into the ground. Yeah, yeah, exactly It's always funny to me rocks. I think something would draws Bain.

I think it's funny. You put Bain in another situation I think it's fine. I don't think the joke instruction of this would be blah like pause for you. I still think that's funny Yes, I do too.

Everything about Bain's funny. He's a good comedian It's too bad that he died in this movie. I know RIP Michael K-Bain and yes and the saddest part of all is he died Before ever making alloy team It's been a while it's been a while. It's been a joke.

Yes. This joke would be very repetitive for you Movie ends Batman goes to live with Selena Kyle in Florence Alfred is a cat friend of mine. He's also in Alfred has like not much not much I can't really kill the early scene the fernay, Branca And then the the graveyard crying scene right at the end right and then he's like uh ghost again on the fernay, Branca Yeah, that's a sad one fernay, but I could say because they're drinking fernay, Branca Uh, it's sort of a bitter ending or bitter finish And then he sees them hanging out bale looking great by the way. We're here like fuck.

He's hot He's like, she got him right. He's a guy Batman. I throw up in him. Am I right?

No seriously and uh then yeah that shot a Blake swinging into the waterfall discovering the back cave we black out on the thing rising I don't think the movie earns that ending but I think that's the right way for the trilogy then Do you want to play the box? I don't so Avengers had broken all the box office records Yeah, that had previously been owned by the dark night. Yeah, uh dark night was like 154 And then avengers I think open to like 202 or something crazy Pass to um or harry potter had broken the records in between but anyway Avengers was the first crack to when a vendor's outperforming people were like, oh my god if avengers Is that much imagine how much dark nights gonna do? To a seven right?

But yeah, but then dark night does open a little low The shooting happens at midnight. It scared people a little bit it continued to do really well multiplied well, but it the opening wasn't as huge as they Made 160 160 million dollars opening weekend. Yeah domestic total 448 and worldwide 1.08 basically the same worldwide total is the dark night Right. It made a little more overseas a little less domestic.

Exactly. Yeah, uh, so it opens number one July 20th 2012. Okay, number two is an animated film that had come out and debuted at number one the week before brave No, that is number five. That's number five.

Okay. Yes. Is it a dream or two? It's a five two oh eight It is a fox picture is a fox.

It's a blue sky film. I think so. Is it an ice age? Yes, but which ice age is it continental drift?

Yes, correct. Oh, yeah, it is Oh boy. What is that the fourth? That's the fourth one.

Yeah, so that's they're talking about this way too much on the podcast Number three has been out for three weeks. Okay. It's a superhero movie It has made 180 million dollars. It was a disappointment compared to the film that had come before it Although it was not really connected to that film In 2012 is an X-men picture.

No, it is not really his first class is I think 2011 So, you know and Wolverine is 2013 right the Wolverine best one great Oh, it's not a Marvel movie is it Marvel character not a Marvel movie It's not a Marvel movie. So it's not oh amazing spider amazing spider-man starring Andrew Garfield and Dennis Larry and Larry clinic, larry clenny Clark. Maybe not I'm a man number four has been out for four weeks All these are the number one their first weekend dropped like as the next one came in. Okay So this was number one four weeks ago.

It is a comedy or rated comedy Sure, he'd use it loosely. I think it's because he thinks it's not funny. It's not funny. It's already body It's an original comedy.

Yeah, star in a big comedy star kind of maybe by a big comedy guy Interesting starring a guy who's like been in comedy. I don't know if I call him a comedy star Was not an appetite movie. No other guy the other guy It's not touch Phillips movie. No, it's an odd couple kind of situation true two hands two hands sort of and neater them Oh, oh, what is it?

It's Ted Ted. Yeah, america loved That you got number five which is head open to 50 and to 250. That's insane and it's a weight team to it Okay, but tattoo it was amazing how roundly everyone was like now no more that it was really no need for it But I didn't think there was need for Ted one but at least Ted one is like oh, it's a funny idea They made a gross comedy like haha. Ted is I will say this.

I'll give him credit for credits do like one of the most effective one sheets It's not like a beautiful poster. No, I get it Just put mark wallberg on a couch with a teddy bear and they're both like holding beers And it's like you've sold your movie if people want to see that I know exactly what it is the pitch is that simple in that bomb, right? Okay, Ted and then brave as number five brave number five. You've also got magic mic Hanging out for peace made $101 million in four weeks very impressive.

Yep savages the Oliver Stone joint that I've never seen never seen either Uh Tyler Perry's Maruudia's witness protection. That's the Level of cable guy want to believe or that's the uh, no that is the Eugene Levy one. Yes, correct He's wearing sunglasses on the poster funny Jim's dad funny funny moonrise kingdom, which was a summer release or late spring I can't forget about Jim uh to roam with love is up there man. I guess our three yours most wanted And a movie we may one day do on this very podcast dark shadows That dumb bo movie sure sounds weird.

Yeah, sounds like a real blank check. Yep. I guess so they're making another dumb bo Live action Will Smith That was that was that Disney is that it? Oh, yeah, so they they like they didn't bury that shit Like it should be they're like, let's bring it back and revisit this horrid horrid movie I assume i'll bring it back to crows that would be quite a move.

Yeah, what if to burden at comic on whatever it was like d23 The crows are in it All vine stars Mine stars are playing the crows. Yeah. Yeah, so so that's it. That's that's that's it That concludes two hours after the bar man saga Uh, yeah, and uh, I don't I wonder did you feel like disappointed Nolan?

Like was the hype less for you when inner seller came around because he'd made a much more disappointing movie because before then it always been like Oh, no, and he's great, you know hit hit hit it was kind of I'd say my inner seller hype was maybe even greater because it was like Okay now he's getting back to what he clearly wants to be yeah Yeah, because I was very high for instal, but I love space like I love ash The trailers for that movie were some of the best trailers ever cut. Yeah, well, it's his best film and we'll talk about it next week Great. We'll talk about it next week. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna talk about it like a couple weeks, but right?

Yeah, I'm busy Cumboreg and biffy. I'm at biffy Uh, well this has been our episode on the doc night rises true. Thank you all very much for listening Yep, please remember to rate review subscribe. You said it Thank you to lame on coming for a theme song mixing it up the order and forgive for social media So bow and patarounds for our artwork go to e-blinky subreddit for some real nerdy shit Funky stop right at our yes and as always as always He's really searching for something he's grabbing in the air.

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