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EPISODE · Mar 17, 2026 · 21 MIN

The New DEA "Thing" And What It Means For Wildland Fire EMS

from Spiked Out · host The Journeyman

A firefighter gets crushed by a falling tree miles from a road. A medic knows exactly how to control the pain and protect the patient’s body from spiraling stress, but the medication that makes it possible can’t legally cross the next state line. That’s not a hypothetical, it’s the operational problem we’re staring at after a new DEA interstate rule tightened how controlled substances can travel with EMS teams.We sit down with Joe Decker from Remote Medical Rescue and Dan Blaul from All Terrain Rescue to explain how REMS teams support wildland fire operations, why remote rescue is fundamentally different from city EMS, and what “hours of patient care in the woods” really looks like. We unpack the rule change, the cost and brick and mortar hurdles tied to multi state DEA registration, and why rapid deployments across the West don’t fit neatly into the current compliance model.Then we get blunt about consequences: pain management, ketamine, narcotics, and benzodiazepines are not luxuries when you’re packaging a femur fracture, treating a seizure far from a hospital, or managing critical procedures in an austere environment. We also talk about moral injury for providers forced to watch suffering they could normally relieve, and why this could push the standard of care backward for firefighter safety and patient outcomes.If you’re a firefighter, medic, medical director, or someone who cares about wildfire medical response, listen, share this with your crew, and help raise the volume with decision makers. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us what change would protect patients fastest?Find the article here:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6301399/Find The Journeyman here:https://livetjm.com/Find Minuteman EMS here:https://www.minutemanems.com/Find Remote Medical Rescue here:https://www.remotemedicalrescue.com/Find All Terrain Rescue here:https://www.allterrainrescue.org/Blog 1https://www.livetjm.com/blog/LIS4U8mscxKpEjHicSGqBlog 2https://www.livetjm.com/blog/7NQcizXnQrwTkJJrmaFe[00:00:00] Moral Injury From Untreated Pain[00:03:00] What REMS Teams Actually Do[00:06:10] The New DEA Interstate Rule[00:09:55] When Pain Control Prevents Death[00:12:25] Real World Scenarios Without Narcotics[00:16:12] Why Fixing This Takes Time[00:20:40] How To Help And Where To Connect

A firefighter gets crushed by a falling tree miles from a road. A medic knows exactly how to control the pain and protect the patient’s body from spiraling stress, but the medication that makes it possible can’t legally cross the next state line. That’s not a hypothetical, it’s the operational problem we’re staring at after a new DEA interstate rule tightened how controlled substances can travel with EMS teams. We sit down with Joe Decker from Remote Medical Rescue and Dan Blaul from All Ter...

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