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EPISODE · Nov 12, 2025 · 1H 7M

The Perpification of Everything

from The Gwart Show | Blockspace Media · host Blockspace Media

Kaledora Linn, Co-Founder at Ostium, joins us to talk about revolutionizing onchain trading by bringing traditional finance assets like stocks, commodities, and FX to DeFi through perpetual contracts. We explore why perps are superior to tokenization for trading, the evolution from single-asset to cross-asset platforms, how macro news drives modern volatility, capital efficiency challenges, and why retail traders prefer perps over options. Plus institutional use cases and the future of "perpification." Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: • Ostium offers up to 200:1 leverage • Mirror had billions in open interest on stocks • Synthetix was heavily over-collateralized with SNX • Perps dominate over options in crypto markets • Post-COVID macro drives cross-asset volatility Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:17 Kaledora Linn - Co-Founder of Ostium 10:01 Ostium's synthetic model 25:08 How Ostium works 35:52 Ellipsis Labs 37:56 KYC & identifying toxic traders 43:01 Market makers 45:22 Price oracles 47:22 Funding rates 52:00 Synthetic vs. on-chain order book 55:29 Weekday markets closing 59:25 On-chain price discovery 1:01:42 24/5 markets 1:03:14 Scaling the market The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Backed by Paradigm, Electric Capital and Haun Ventures. The founders, Eugene and Jerry, have experienced Citadel Jane Street in the Solana Core team since launching their order book DEX, Phoenix. They’ve done over $80 billion in trading volume by making onchain order books competitive with centralized exchanges.  Ellipsis is hiring for New York-based engineers. Work with a small focus team who are results driven, collaborative, and use a modern stack. If you’re an engineer who wants to work on infrastructure that’s already proven itself in the market, go to ⁠ellipsislabs.xyz⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kaledora Linn, Co-Founder at Ostium, joins us to talk about revolutionizing onchain trading by bringing traditional finance assets like stocks, commodities, and FX to DeFi through perpetual contracts. We explore why perps are superior to tokenization for trading, the evolution from single-asset to cross-asset platforms, how macro news drives modern volatility, capital efficiency challenges, and why retail traders prefer perps over options. Plus institutional use cases and the future of "perpification." Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: • Ostium offers up to 200:1 leverage • Mirror had billions in open interest on stocks • Synthetix was heavily over-collateralized with SNX • Perps dominate over options in crypto markets • Post-COVID macro drives cross-asset volatility Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:17 Kaledora Linn - Co-Founder of Ostium 10:01 Ostium's synthetic model 25:08 How Ostium works 35:52 Ellipsis Labs 37:56 KYC & identifying toxic traders 43:01 Market makers 45:22 Price oracles 47:22 Funding rates 52:00 Synthetic vs. on-chain order book 55:29 Weekday markets closing 59:25 On-chain price discovery 1:01:42 24/5 markets 1:03:14 Scaling the market The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Backed by Paradigm, Electric Capital and Haun Ventures. The founders, Eugene and Jerry, have experienced Citadel Jane Street in the Solana Core team since launching their order book DEX, Phoenix. They’ve done over $80 billion in trading volume by making onchain order books competitive with centralized exchanges.  Ellipsis is hiring for New York-based engineers. Work with a small focus team who are results driven, collaborative, and use a modern stack. If you’re an engineer who wants to work on infrastructure that’s already proven itself in the market, go to ⁠ellipsislabs.xyz⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Kaledora Linn, Co-Founder at Ostium, joins us to talk about revolutionizing onchain trading by bringing traditional finance assets like stocks, commodities, and FX to DeFi through perpetual contracts. We explore why perps are superior to...

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