The Smith McDowell House

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. It has been a lovely hot July week. It has.

It has. We just searched ourselves for tick. We did. I got an ominous text from my mother that was like, your father and I both just found ticks on us and we were all together the other evening and she's like, make sure you check yourself and the dog.

So I just did the tick check. Did the, you know, check in my hair and she did it. The nicer to bring it out. I needed to do it.

I'm covered in bug bites. I am as well. I've been sitting here like trying not to pick at them. So that's been a struggle for me, but I am terrified of ticks.

Yes. Like I hate, hate, hate ticks. My dog gets them on her a lot, but thankfully she's on like prevention. So they just usually die in trouble.

I hate ticks. But yeah, I don't enjoy them. They freak me out. I feel like we just walk outside and like we get ticks on us.

Like I do. I just can't do it. So yeah, well, Holly, I have been going to the gym. I know.

I'm very proud of you. Yeah. I've been wanting to for a while and then my friend Elizabeth kind of inspired me to go. So She's been crushing it.

She has been crushing it recently. So I am very excited about that. Feel good when I go. But yeah, sweat a lot.

Sweat a lot. Ungodly amount of sweat because I've been doing like 40 ish minutes of weights and then like 15 minutes, 20 minutes of cardio. That's a lot of time on weights. Yeah, but I like it.

Yeah. I like that. Well, I do like a warm up before and you do like an every other day on weights because you can't. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I'm doing like an every other day. Every two, three days, something like that.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. I'm not doing it every day. No, you shouldn't.

It's not good for you. No. Yeah. So yeah, I'm doing that.

So today I either have to mow my yard or go to the gym. So it's looking like mow in the yard is probably going to be the thing I do. Our lawn mower broke recently. So my brother though is really good at fixing that kind of stuff.

So he is supposed to be on fixing the lawn mower. So I think I'm going to go get the riding lawn mower from up near my parents house and ride it down the street. And I'm going to look like, you know, a big old little bit of a red down the street, but it's going to be great. So because the other yard is, you know, we have a double lot that we live on.

So a lot to the side yard is tall right now. So it needs to be probably on a riding mower anyway. And I think I'm going to leave the front yard as motivation for Travis to either check our lawn mower fix it or if he's like, hey, I can't fix it. Then I'll go borrow somebody else's lawn mower.

Yeah. So yeah. Here's what I'm going to throw out. Mm hmm.

Go ahead and just do the front yard. If you can do it with the riding lawn mower. I can't. Oh, that's right.

You can anymore. Okay. So I have to like heave ho it up onto the porch and then I can get a riding lawn up there. Never mind.

Because I was like, just get it done. Yeah. If I could do it with a riding mower, absolutely. Yeah.

But I cannot. You should create a little gate for yourself where you can just we talked about it. And then I was like, oh, I'll just push it because I like to push. Yeah.

And so it was, you know, as long as I can come through that top gate, that's fine. Yeah. But I have to get like a good defense stick out of the ground. Well, I need so you're, you're inspiring me maybe tomorrow when I take my son, you know, to school that I will go to the gym and work out because I have a man who does my lawn for me.

So I don't, but to be fair. Yeah. To support this. Just so you all know, my lawn and you've seen it is like, hilly.

My backyard is like hilly and all these things. And it would take me so much longer to do my yard than my lawn guy who comes with his like professional stand up mower, mose it, weedied it and it's like, thank you, ma'am. I'll take your money and that was 30 minutes. Yeah.

So, yeah, you can do it much faster. And yes, I am forking out the money. It's so worth it. It's so worth it.

I don't mind. I love to mow, but not my lawn. Not so just, it's just so much. Yeah.

It's a lot. Yeah. You are kind of like right on my hill. So it's hard.

Yeah. It's very hard to mow. So, but if it was flat, honey, I would be doing it all the time because I do, I love mowing. I love lawn care.

I love my garden. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

Well, good luck at the gym. Thanks. Yeah. I feel like I've been noticing like I feel better.

Yes. So I'm just getting me to the gym is so hard. It's like, yeah. So this is like taking a shower for me.

This is going to sound so gross. But it's like the idea of like, oh, I got to like get in the shower and do all that, you know, it feels like just like getting me there, you know, but once I'm there, I am so good. I am like, I work it hard at the gym. I bathe really well, you know, once I'm in the shower.

But you know, and I feel so much better. I'm like, yes, I feel so good. Like the body just feels good and I feel strong. But it's getting there.

It's really hard. Yeah. I talk myself out of that reasons I can't. Right.

Like today, like in theory, I'm going to go get the writing on or in right around. I should go to the gym after that. But if you walk down there or maybe even run a little bit, we'll drive. Well, yeah.

Why? Because it's hot as balls out there. But it's hot. It is hot and humid.

Yeah. The humidity here is a true thing. It's awful. Like, it feels like you're swimming when you step outside in like swamp water.

Yeah. Yeah. It is hot and it's and you feel like bugs are just like attacking. Yeah.

It's like attached to you. Yeah. Suck out your blood. Wow.

It's gross. It's profound. Yeah. I in who wants that?

So nobody wants that. Nobody wants that. Get your writing lawn mower. I always am.

I always spray myself down the sunscreen like crazy because I'm fair. I spray myself with bug spray, which apparently doesn't help. And I put on hat. I have my hat on.

I have my glasses on. Like I am like, prepare. Yeah. So, yeah.

Well, okay. So, chit me. Oh, don't challenge me. All right.

Now, Haley likes it when I'm in one episode. We talked about punching her boob and remember the guy whose employer ended up turning around and clocking him in the chest. Yes. Punching the boob and a punch in the boob.

Super personal statement here, but just felt like y'all should know it. I was in the pool. I was in the pool. And I was in the pool.

And well, staying in there and my mom had like a, you know, a bait and two top ones. And my mom's like, I can't boo, but follow your bait and two, like fix that. And I'm like, it's not. It's because it's a size bigger than the other one.

So your one boob? My left size. Boob is a size bigger than my right. Really?

The full size, full cup size. Yeah. And it's progressively getting worse as I get older. Like it's always been slightly bigger, but like as I get older, it's like noticeably different.

Can you just do like some like exercising on the right side? Right. And just like a big up the right move or just lose weight in the left. I'm not sure that's how that works.

I don't think so. But yeah, but most people do have a slight difference in one side of their body, like one foot's bigger than the other. But some of us have a significant difference. And you can't really tell in like regular shirts or whatever.

But if I'm wearing like a bathing suit, you can usually tell or like when I'm trying on bras, I can definitely tell. So obviously you have to get the cup size that fits the bigger boob. So then you've got like some greener ridges or just like spillage on the other one. Do you try and like fill in for the right side a little bit?

No, I don't care enough. Okay. I didn't know what your feelings were. No, I just don't care enough.

But yeah, it's like, and almost in like, if I wear, I don't wear a lot of low cut stuff, just because I don't miss just not in part of my body, I like to accentuate. But if I do ever wear low cut stuff, like you can tell like the way they look in and like certain outfits. I, as you ever see me in public, just take a gander at him. I won't be offended.

I'd be like, are you the one that has the weird size boob? Absolutely. That is me. I have so many, so many things.

So first of all, I've known you for years. I never know. You have never shared your boob story with me. Oh, why does I have it like been, you know, when I'm around you, I'm usually I'm like, shit, close.

It is true. It is well. We all are because me and my gosh, but yeah, I never knew that I've been to the beach with you. I did not notice.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't notice any boob issues. But to be honest, it probably wasn't much more. It was a nice one.

No, to self, just stare for an ungodly amount of time. It was good. Yeah. Well, and as I tan, which is hard to believe that I tan with my red hair, but I do, I have a line of demarcation down my stomach.

So half of my body is darker than the other half. You have so many things wrong with you. I'll show you that later. I'll show you that because like this half is like the right side of my body.

Like you can tell there's a clear line down my stomach that's like almost white and the right side is darker than the left side. What? Yeah. How does that happen?

I don't know. But it's like, that's just how it's always been. And I was, you can only tell when I like in the summer when I do start to tan a little bit. But yeah, I was out yesterday and I was like, oh, hey, look, the lines back and travel is like, that is so weird.

My brother was like, that is bizarre. I concur. Yeah. That is one of the weirdest things.

I'm going to look that up and see if there's some kind of like medical diagnosis for this. Yeah. This is, I mean, the things that are happening to you. Yeah, I have weird, I mean, I've got a weird body.

It's just, you know, at least you have toenails. I do have toenails. I work for your nose. Wow.

Yeah. That's craziness. I mean, I'm at the age where the boobs are driven. Well, you know, I'm going to have one really droopy one.

That is true. One that is a little more hurt. A little bit more. Just kind of like, yeah, a little bit more fly a flag in the wind.

You know, I know that's why underwire is very, I'm tugging on it. Like you all can see. But yeah, that's why it's really important. I'm a sports bro.

I like padded bras. I always called it my bulletproof breast. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You always have the good bras on my shoulder. Yeah. When, when back when we were together, I would have the good bra. Yeah.

Remember that weird, you had a good bra. Good bras. I'll leave it the good bras. I called it my bulletproof breast.

Yeah. Because there's so much padding in the sucker to make me look like I'm busty. That yeah, but I also like, so years ago, I was, I teach these trauma classes sometimes. So I was teaching this class on trauma and it was in person.

This is before, you know, of another thing. And I was wearing this bra that was not padded. It had underwear, but you know, very much like, you know, you could see nips if the shirt was right. Right.

I did not realize this. I was wearing a white sweater. And I was teaching this class and all these things. And we had taken a break and I went to use the restroom.

And I mean, nips out, girl. It was like, hello. Whoa. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, I have been teaching this class and all they probably could look at is the fact that my nips were saying hi to everybody.

Yeah. Did you acknowledge it? I acknowledge them. I said, Oh, oh, to the class.

Yeah. Oh, I'm in a general. Like eighties. How are you?

Good to see you again. Where you been? So no, I was so embarrassed by that. I was like, get back in there.

And I was trying to like, oh my god. It's always very self conscious. The rest of the class about my nips popping out. And so I kept doing things like I had a little book or something and I was like holding it in front of my chest and using my other hand to like, right on the board or talk, you know, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. And I know, because they were men in the class too, like it was a lot of, you know, it was a pretty diverse class. And I know that people are like, Oh, remember that we really like that class because her nips came out.

She was happy to see everyone. No, she was just cold. No, she was just cold. But even when I'm not cold, they'll pop out and just do their own thing and just do what they want.

They do what they want. So now, you know, we've shared stories about our nips. Yeah, our weird boobs, your kind of demarcation, which I would like to see that's what I want to see your basement. And I want to see your boobs.

I would like to see as we have said before on this podcast, we're close. We are. We're not that close. I mean, if you asked, I would show them to you.

Well, my friend, when her is so funny, because my friend is like this modest person, like my son will talk about tooting and pooping and she's like, enough of the potty talk gross, you know, like that's, or my other friend and I will make some kind of sexual joke. And she's like, guys, you know, like it makes her sound like she's prudish. But then when her daughter was born, which was about two years before my son was born, I was over there helping her out and she was so exhausted. She would just like pull that shirt up and like put that baby on, like she was there naked in front of me all the time.

And I told her this, I was like, you know, it's funny is that you're acting like this, but you think I haven't seen you naked. Right. And she's like, when did that happen? And I was like, remember after the baby was born, you were just like, you're talking about all the time.

And she was like, Oh, I didn't even realize that. And like, yeah, so I've seen them. I'm not offended by them. Nor do I really care.

Because that's not my thing. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

Growing up as a dancer, there's no modesty. There's no other side. Yeah, there's no other side. It's whatever.

It's like it's just bodyguards and figures. Exactly. Move on. Well, tell me the story.

We talked about our boobs. Yeah, let's do it. How do we segue? Well, we talk about ghosts.

Oh, okay. Today's from boobs to ghost. The course about it. So the Smith McDowell house is we're going to talk about today.

So our story begins in Asheville, North Carolina. Have you been to the Smith McDowell house? I feel like I have. I think it's a fourth grade trip.

It sounds really familiar. I went there in fourth grade. I don't know if I did or not, but don't tell. All right.

So it is the 1790s. I know we're going way, way back. Historic ghost. Historic time.

When revolutionary war Colonel Daniel Smith rides himself into town. And according to legend, Daniel was an asshole. Yeah. Most men were back then.

Yeah. There's a lot. Exactly. You know, you find some of the raffles.

Absolutely. Yeah. It doesn't discriminate. That's hilarious.

Exactly. He saw himself as, you know, a pretty big deal. You know, he was a Colonel, don't you know? Yeah.

He was said to be very rude and belligerent to those who live in the community. He saw himself as better than the locals who spent much of their day far, meaning working in their fields. Like on his hard working folk. And he was like, Oh, you're trash.

What a jerk. Exactly. He was like, look at me, you're trash. It was an I am trash.

I don't need you to remind me. I already know. Pick your boob up trash. One is dragging the ground.

The other is put and I like it. The other one is dragging. Madam, what is wrong with your stomach? What's wrong with your breasts?

Pick them up. You are fending me greatly. So he was often seen writing his white horse. Wow.

Isn't that perfect? Like, even when his white horse, which also speaks to his arrogance, yeah, get off your white horse. Anyway, he was seen writing his horse along with his rifle, which he gave the rifle a moniker. He called it the long torn.

Here's the thing. Okay. Any man who has to ride his white horse with a big old rifle is compensating for something. Yeah, especially if you name it.

Because chances are if we had to name other things, right, we would call it teeny, ween. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like the guys that have an ego so big are usually compensating.

Yeah, there's something. Something is not well. So he and Haley could have compared notes back then. I can know he could have said pick up your breast defense.

I would not have fared well in colonial times. You've been hanged. Absolutely fine. In this island.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. All right.

So we have the long-florn always by his side. Thus another attempted intimidating other people. Like, you know, don't mess with me. Colonel Smith claimed to have killed an upwards of 200 Native Americans.

Wow. What a thing to brag about. I killed an entire civilization. What a great guy.

It's an entire family structure. Exactly. Mom, dad, and the baby. And I have small penis.

Yikes. It's important to know during this time period that there were many Native Americans living in the Asheville area. Yeah. So yeah, Daniel Smith owned about 300 acres that stretch from the French Brown River to an area eastward now known as Swananoa.

And if you are a local person, we call it Swananoaware. Yeah, Swananoaware. It's an interesting community. It is.

It's in the middle of nowhere. It's beloved by people who live there. Yeah. And then there are the other folks.

Oh, man, I'm gonna get so much like local paper. I just can't like, it is. It's like, it's cool though because it is like going like you don't know when you're going to hit this town. Like it's on your way to Black Mountain.

You just kind of hit it and it's like, oh, I'm here. And then you're not. And then you're not. You're like, that's good.

Yeah. It's an interesting place. It is. Anyway, so in purchasing this acreage, many Native Americans were either displaced or maybe in this scenario.

Maybe he killed them off. Oh, this is my land now, you know, since he was so intimidating. Daniel had a son by the name of James McConnell Smith, whom he gave a small plot of land to in which to build a home. This home is what we're going to be talking about today.

It was 1840 when construction on a large brick home was completed. For his part, James, the son, was well off in his own right for a time he was the mayor of Asheville. He was an affluent businessman, sharecropper, and an individual who enslaved human beings. And if that doesn't make you want to puke, he was known as the biggest enslaver of humans in Buncombe County with approximately 70 slaves.

So I will say because Asheville is in the mountains, there weren't as many slaves as there are. There's a word that time period on like the coast or in like the fields in Winston-Salem in that kind of area. Yeah, there just wasn't a lot of there's not a lot of farmable land here. Right.

Not to say that people wouldn't have owned slaves. So that's not like saying, you know, oh, now people are so much better than everybody else. They're not. When it comes to that kind of thing, it was there just wasn't a lot of farmable land.

Something else to know. There are people who hear it generationally, like, are very poor. Yes. Something also worth noting though is that at the time of the Civil War, a lot of individuals in the mountains of North Carolina were actually pro-union.

Yes. So just throwing that out there. I think because a lot of the connotation with the Civil War is you're in the South, you were, you know, Western North Carolina, a lot of those like border counties to like Tennessee and Virginia were union counties. Pro-union.

Pro-union. The state itself was a Confederate state, but the individual counties would have been like if you had pulled the counties, there was a lot of them that would have been union. Yes, definitely. And fun fact, North Carolina was the second to last state to secede from the union.

And they only did so because they were told if you don't support the Confederacy, you're on your own because the union wasn't going to take them. Right. So anyway, all right, back to our story. So he has to do 70s slave.

So not a stand up guy in any capacity. No, not a great guy. He was making money off the backs of slave laborers. Yeah.

In addition to Crocs, he also owned a mercantile, like a little general store. He had a sawmill, a gristmill, a hotel, a tannery, and a toll bridge that went across the French Broad River, which actually learned something here because I didn't know that like prior to the 20th century, there's a toll bridge. Like I just think like cars and tolls versus like wagons. Yeah, but it makes sense.

I mean, he had to earn a dime. So on that road, you're gonna have to pay me to cross. Yeah. Yeah, weird.

So the home was built with some of the best brick by the most experienced brick players. In those days, your wealth was displayed by the type of home you built. So building a house with bricks as most of the area was like, the houses were made of logs showed that Smith was doing quite well financially, which I mean, actually that's true today. If you're building a brick house, like that's a pretty big deal versus building a house in different ways.

Especially if it's a hand laid. Oh my gosh. Yes. James called the stately brick manor Victoria.

And today, the road that the house faces because the house still stands is called Victoria Road. Yeah. Yeah. While James dropped some money on his new home, he didn't live there.

Yeah. He enslaved 40 plus individuals to be the caretakers of the property. Oh, how kind? What a fun fun man.

James's property actually stretched for miles from the home in the heart of Asheville all the way to Bo Catcher Mountain, which is north and that's a lot of acreage to care for and a lot of mountainous acreage to care. Yeah. Like that's still pretty mountainous. Yes.

Now it's how much it's been developed. It's still pretty. And Bo Catcher Mountains, where you kind of get the views of the city. That's up there where like Helen's bridges and like all these things.

So when James Smith died in 1856 around five years before the start of the Civil War, he had 13 slaves who were still under his control. So at that point, he willed the house and the slaves to his son, John Patton Smith. John only lived for three years after his dad passed. So in 1851, he dies without a will.

Okay. Seems like it was kind of unexpected. Yeah. Due to there being no will at the time of his passing, the house and the enslaved individuals were auctioned off.

These are people. Yeah. We're auctioning people just the grossness of that. John's sister Sarah Lissenda and her husband, Confederate officer William Wallace McDowell, purchased the property and the slaves for $10,000.

The McDowell's raised their eight children in the home and increased their number of slaves from 13 to 40. They built six new homes for the slaves working on their property. Gross. The McDowell's wanted to honor their father's legacy and tried to run the house in a similar fashion that James had.

By 1880, the McDowell's were struggling financially. The Civil War and the Reconstruction era had hit their pocketbooks pretty severely and they were forced to sell their home and the land. It was purchased in 1881 by Alexander Garrett. It's been a great deal of time and money trying to modernize the home.

He built a summer kitchen, a solarium, he put on metal roofing, which metal roofing, that's a thing today. Yeah. My parents recently got a metal roof. Yeah.

I love the sound when it rains. Oh, yes. It's pretty nice. Yeah.

I want to get solar panels. That's my new thing. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah.

When Garrett died in 1897, he left the home to his son, but his son was like, yeah, no, I don't really want this. So he sold it to the highest bidder to get it. By the early 1900s, the home saw the addition of interior bathrooms along with some decorative changes. Obviously.

We can go in an outhouse. Yeah. I think you by 1951, this myth McDowell house became a school with class and I had no idea of this with classrooms on the main level and sleeping quarters or dormitories on the second floor. Yeah.

Interesting. The school didn't last very long. It ran for about 10 years, but it closed in 1961 due to financial constraints and the inability to maintain the property. So we're talking about over a hundred year old building trying to keep that up is actually a big investment.

Yeah, that's a little, that's a lot. By 1961, the place was in pretty bad shape. So it was acquired by the Asheville Buncombe Technical Community College, otherwise known as ApeTech, in a large acquisition of land and buildings in that area. So for those of you who aren't aware, ApeTech, the community college, is all in that area surrounding the house.

And it's a pretty impressive community college. It's huge. It's really big. It has a lot of, you know, it programs really excellent programs.

Like people are sought out coming out of ApeTech for like culinary, dental hygiene, a lot of nursing, mechanics. There's a ton of arts. I mean, it's pretty, it's a pretty impressive two-year school. Very much so.

Very much so. So they acquired the Smith McDowhouse. By 1975, the home was put on the National Register of Historic Places, meaning that they can't tear it down. So the only way to make it usable is to remodel it.

So the college actually leased it out to a restoration, to this restoration place. So they were able to restore it. It took six years to restore. And by that point, the house was 135 years old.

Yeah. It reopened to the public as a museum on May 31st, 1981. The home is advertised to the public as one of the oldest homes in the Asheville area that was still standing. For a while in the 2000s, the home again was closed down by the college.

The operating costs were just too high. In 2020, the Western North Carolina Historical Association purchased the property from the college and once again began restoration and renovation. The home reopened as a museum to the public in October of 2023. So it's opened currently.

There are two remaining brick outbuildings from the plantation era, both located near the rear of the house. There's a summer kitchen, which is now attached to the main house and a dependency formerly used for salt curing and for laundry. Yeah. So pretty cool.

Yeah. All right. That's the history. Let's talk about the hundreds.

I love it. All right. So when the McDowell's own the home from 1859 to 1880, one of their slaves by the name of George Avery had the job of keeping up land in the woods behind St. John's Baptist Church, which was in the Kittleworth area.

Now, so this was his job. This was a hidden plot of land that was used by Major McDowell as a burial ground for the slaves who died either while working on the property or slaves in the area. This is kind of a communal grave site. Okay.

So George was the guy who was digging the graves. That all kinds of like feelings, you know. He would get a stipend and he would collect the money, but it was retained by the family. Of course, he didn't see any of them.

Obviously. Most of the gravesites at the cemetery were not marked with any kind of headstone, but George knew who was buried there, which I think is pretty cool. So when the war ended, the McDowell's could sense that the union was going to win this war. And so George was released.

Yeah. Dang. Yeah. And in fact, Major McDowell encouraged him to join and go to the north.

Like he was like, you would have a pension, like you would be free, like do all these things. So then it like makes you wonder, right? Were they like, like, oh, yeah, we're with the Confederacy, but the truth is they were supporters of the union. Right.

I don't know. It's just very strange. So anyway, once the war ended, like we talked about the McDowell's lost their property. And George returned down.

He went from having this freedom up north, right? And he returns down to North Carolina, where he watches over the cemetery because it was so important to him. That was like, oh, it was his legacy. This is what he did.

He watched over him until he himself died in 1938. And he was buried there with his first wife, Maggie, and he was given a gravestone. Yeah. Yeah.

So the bodies of those who died while working at McDowell family residence is in the South Asheville area now, I guess some were moved miles from the mansion. But it seems like the troubled souls have found their way back to Victoria, to the house. Yes. So it seems like a lot are maybe angry.

Some claim that its former slave owner very well could have manifested some of this darkness in some of his reckless behavior. Like we're talking about the first owner who, you know, small penis, big horse, big gun, all the things. All the things. All the things.

So he had sort of contributed to these angry souls. I can see why, because he was such a tyrant. So years after the McDowell's were forced to sell and it kind of changed hands, a Catholic boy school and many different types of the property went to a Catholic boy school. And so for a time, there was called Saint Genevieve of the Pines that was very, that was in that area.

And so it was a Catholic school that had a boy section and a girl section. So this was part of the boy section. And I guess this was what was there in the 1950s. But they said that there were so many different energies that they could feel while being there.

It would like go through the main door, the building, like you could feel it. That's weird. Yeah. And no matter who was in the house, who owned it, everybody felt something when they were there.

And mostly they felt like spirits have like maybe some angry spirits. They felt like it could have been the spirits of like maybe the McDowell family. Like they were feeling so many different kinds of energies. And like, you know, you're good old Catholic school.

So you're going in there man with some holy water. You got your rosary beads. Yeah. That is hardcore.

That's spooky. There were some cold spots. Okay. And with a cold energy, there was an ominous dark one.

Yeah. Yeah. It didn't cause harm to anybody, but it was definitely omnipresent. And you felt a darkness when you went in there.

Yeah. The mansion is believed to be haunted by the ghost of two little girls. One is named Carrie, who often comes up. Apparently she was the daughter of Mary McDowell, who passed away from an unidentified illness.

Yeah. So according to the death announcement that was in the local paper, Carrie had died at the residence of Sarah McDowell. And she very may well may have been part of the property. So like part of the family.

Right. And so she just sort of roams in this maybe untimely death. The second little girl is known only as Sarah. And it said that she has some kind of blood ties to the family, but they think she may be a slave who's kept on the property.

A young slave girl. And her spirit likes to play tricks, be a little naughty, a little menacing kind of like kids would be. Yeah. You know.

And so I think there's a plethora of ghosts on this property that are just looking for a good time. Sounds like it. I went there in the fourth grade. I don't remember again, I was nine.

So I don't really remember experiencing any ghosts per se. But I mean, this building is crazy old. I would like to go there. Excuse me.

Now as an adult, they have it open as a museum. There are a bunch of different artifacts there. I think you and I, this is feasible for us. This is feasible.

We could go there. I think we could. Let's find out how much it is. Maybe we could get some type of podcasters discount.

Don't you know who we are? Instead of a rifle, we could have our mics. Don't you know that they are? She has one small boob and one lock.

Don't you know who we are? In mind, just drag the floor. We could come in on our white horses. Yeah.

Yeah. That'd be great. Don't be amazing. Don't you know who we are?

We'll punch that. Fancy like Applebee's. Love Applebee's. Really?

No. Okay. I'm not a huge fan of Applebee's. What the hell the what was that?

You know, it's not right. It wasn't. No. No.

All right. Well, that was fun. You've learned a lot today, you guys. You can take this back.

There's gonna be a quiz. Yeah. You know, at the end. So just be prepared.

No, actually, if you want to shoot us an email, tell us about your hauntings. Tell us about your boobs. Haley would love to feel this. Please don't send me pictures of your boobs.

Or your junk. Or your junk. No, no. No.

You'll be immediately blocked. Absolutely. Well, after she takes a peek. Absolutely roasted.

It's a hot junk. Okay. So, send us that email without your pictures attached. Please to mountainmysteries.appalachian at gmail.com.

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Aww. Is that nice? Yeah. We'll just sit here in the quiet while Haley scrolls her phone.

I'm trying to find the place. I don't know why we do this every time. Let's go. Marble Falls, Texas.

Woo. Nice. I like it. All right.

Thank you once again. We will see you next week in August. Yeah. Oh, somebody's flying by.

All right. See you. Bye.