The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) with Amanda Dobbins

I'm Jack. We really regret is usually a waste of time as this podcasting. Good. Sure.

I mean, very true. I was saying right before we started, I have a horse voice today, which means I'm already like 50% of the way to appears vocally. Although I feel like he's less horse. This is his, um, this is when he's a lawyer.

Right. He hasn't his horse era in 1990. Nobody does have little. I mean, I'm doing full horse.

Yeah. He's throws. There's the whisper. There's a sort of fierce whisper kind of, you know, just like, it sounds like Anthony Hopkins, though.

I have limited range here. There's only so much I can do. I just did fucking five wateau shows in a row and I'm feeling it. There's only so much one Man should wateau in the span of one week.

I agree. I agree. Yeah. Thank you for your first browsing and Griffin.

Wow. This is weird. This is a weird vibe. Grif.

My places. No, it's a bit of a business. Well, this is a buy coastal record. And sometimes when that happens, it's because you and I and Ben are in one studio and we have a guest who's in a different city and thus there are two zooms and that's the division.

Bling check on one side. Other guests on the other side. Not today. Not today.

That's my peers today. David home Ben home. Correct. Grif and guest in studio in Los Angeles.

Wow. In the battleship. Holly, you guys look like you're broadcasting from the red October. I was going to say red October.

Yes. Coming live from the red October. This is can I just like I so please the other day we were doing a big picture and I'm looking for you to do sure and I'm afraid. I'm sad to say I think it was about the film Argyle and a shot from the film Argyle quickly just quickly.

Amanda before you go any further. Yeah, let the cat out of the back. Okay. No, good joke.

I'm not going to tell anyone. No spoilers and I'm really sorry if knowing that there is a ship at some point in Argyle spoils a movie. Anyway, we were talking about the ship and I was like, you know, there's that one shot yet and then I realized midway through that it was actually a shot I was remembering from hunt for red October, which I've recently watched in order to get to McTyran and Vibe. So, you know, I guess I was probably giving Matthew Vaughn too much credit, but great movie.

Argyle, a movie so compelling that in real time while watching it, you start editing footage from other better films. I will say this, Grif you haven't seen Argyle, right? No, I lack the ability to let the cat out of the bag because I do not yet know the secret. Cat remains in the bag for you.

That haven't been said, I guess the secret and everyone's confirmed to me that I guess to correctly go on David. You did guess it correctly. I was there when you first debuted your guest. Thank you.

That movie has many twists. It literally does treat the reveal that they are on a boat as one of its many twists. It's a very annoying one. Like, where are we?

What is this? Wait. Okay. So, did you like they go from like the what do you call the undercarriage of a boat?

Like they go from below deck below deck. Sorry. It's so impressive. They go from below deck and there is a shot where they like zoom out right to the CGI boat, which is not that different from one of that opening hunt for Red October shot, right?

Where it's you start with President and then you see the entire what's the book called? It's the red. It's red. I need the exact same mistake in our Red October episode where I was literally snapping my fingers and going, what's the fucking name?

What's the call? They're sort of hunting for a title here. I can't think of what it might be. I did that like an hour and a half into our episode.

So you guys are going recording kind of chronologically for this one? Semi. I mean, it's always guest attendance. Okay.

And this also you were here. But you know what? A couple of the late ones we recorded very early for just because of people being in town, or this is being recorded second to last. Third to last.

Third to last. Third to last. Oh, good. Okay.

So we're in a late McTearn in mindset largely. Wow. That's a special place. It's a special place.

Have you done any of the bonus material and or roller ball and or? We've done roller ball and we touched on the legalities surrounding that movie or lack thereof. And we are devoting an entire patreon episode to the crimes of the Filipino. Yeah.

Because it was too much context to just tack on to another episode. Yeah, absolutely. So we're using Cinida. Okay.

So we haven't done that yet. You're like really right in the chronology vibe for Thomas Brown. Basically. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We've sort of we've done the rollable episodes. So we set up that that's where the problems begin.

Sure. And then we haven't done the crime episode yet. And we haven't done basic, which is obviously the total right of everything. Right.

Right. But this is I think we've been looking forward to this being pinned on our calendar to later dates because it's like one last breath of like positive air in the narrative. Amen. What's this podcast Griffin?

This is blank check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David to podcasted. Elphimogories.

Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby. I don't think I'd ever clocked how much I use my full register of pitch in this intro. Right. I'm feeling myself like going outside a range.

Anyway, some of those directors end up going to federal prison, but not today. At this point in 1999, it's not even a cleansing sigh. This is a mini series on the films of John McTearnan, a legendary action movie director next conflict. Today we're talking about his last great film, right?

Although we get to watch basic, which some people defend. Yeah, but I would say his last sort of out and out well received. Hey, yeah, this is his last. Let's put it that way in all areas.

It's like audiences loved it critics loved it. It was a hit there is a reason he on spec wrote a sequel to this movie in prison He wasn't gonna sit down and write a basics equal present. That's script available anywhere I'd love to read it John Don McTyran in a Gmail calm. I'd love to make it.

Do you need a producer John? I have no experience or my it's unfortunately I believe the one copy is in the prison library You have to go and fuck it out. Yeah, yeah, he talked it behind a poster of I don't know whatever I mean we will get to the 25 years of how do you follow up this movie question as MGM has debated Turn Thomas crowning to a modern franchise or keep it afloat. But yes, this is his last proper triumph It is fascinating because it is coming out in theaters Ten days after his biggest flop until that point in time.

That is true. That is true I mean, did you know that this came out the same year as the 13th warrior? I did know that it was the same year I confess I didn't know that it was ten days after no no, no, it's no, it's really And 13 for years and of August right that's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's why this is posting before 13th They knew they had something bad on their hands and they just stuck it to float on Thomas and he had shot it like two years before Thomas ground crown began production, but sounds right certainly he made it before that episode We did record five years ago.

We did and yeah, we did David Lowry is on its spoiler alert It's next it's next week's up and he was down, but the timeline on these two movies is hard to keep track of Right, but is that fascinating phenomenon where he just knows he has a turkey incoming He spent like three years on a movie that no one can salvage and that has to some degree been taken away from him And he successfully pulls off the ultimate heist which is put a hit in theaters before my last bomb comes out right and just completely distract Yeah, distract right he's put in a thousand guys and bowler hats and long jackets in the multiplex to distract from the turkey that is 13th Warrior Griffin introduce our guests and then I have very boring gossip that I just got This movie or just about no no about no about movies. Oh great. Okay. Our guest today I will say is one of the guests I have been most excited to have on you're very kind in a very long time Yes, I a big picture podcast.

I would jump in and out of listen to topical episodes last summer Our friend Alex Ross Perry said you need to listen to Sean's mental breakdown over fast X which I did sitting right here The seat of shame we should put a plaque on it. I found a cathartic listen to that episode It felt like I was like I found an AA meeting right relate to other people with similar stories And since then big pictures been top of my podcast rotation. You're very kind I've gotten fully big pick-pilled But on top of that I just want to say card carrying for life job model member. Thank you so much Thank you, I've been this year for the first time not the last that long time listener first time caller I Have been waiting my whole life to talk about the Thomas Crown This is the thing parentheses 1999 Amanda the first conversation we ever had About this movie.

I really do feel I'm glad that this is the first time I'm on link check because it's like I have been training This is this is what it's all been building towards is figuring out. Yeah, what the fuck happened with the painting fitting into the briefcase Yes, and you know, actually we know but you know ready I'm ready to break it down like six or seven months ago I say to David like getting a mandala on his top priority We need to find a place for Amanda and I would sometimes say like what do we have coming up? What can we pitch to Amanda and you would go? I don't think those are the right options and when we finally settled on fuck it.

It's time to do McTearnan He looked at me and you know what this means. Yeah, we can get a man I'm the easiest booking of all time. That's the ask. I'm glad we saved it We just texted you McTearnan and you replied Thomas Crown affair.

Yeah, I think you said Thomas Crown. Let's go And I do also you guys have a very committed and active Reddit community, which is very lovely, but I'm like oh Sorry, I think nice Okay, anyway, we just don't want to encourage them necessarily that's true I also don't want them to think that I'm like actually spending a lot of time on their reddit, you know, but That's not even in a derogatory sort of way. That's just not how I'm in it I was in spending my time sure but I think I mentioned that I would be coming on blank check like six months ago Yes at like minute 93 of the big picture, which is already embarrassing that we're getting to minute 93 Our show gets to fucking minute one thousand Nothing to do with all this for you. I just fluted out like that You hadn't even announced McTearnan, which was I I felt really seen and so and I think maybe that's why I feel warmly towards the community You know because they knew immediately does the sound we all made when you invoke them the reason why is a recent champagne problem?

We've been building up against is we reach out to someone we would love to have on the show right and offer them a movie We know they like and their responses. I don't think I'm enough of an expert I'm worried about the reddit getting angry at me ignore them We thought hyper qualified people say bar too high with reddit response Wow, I would say to those people They just got they got to keep living their lives. I would say the same thing That's what I have to say I would say the same thing, but you are I don't think anyone's questioning your bonafide for this episode I do feel I'm the subject matter expert. Yes on this on this film and and maybe Anything having to do with Sophia Coppola outside of her films.

I'm pretty good leading expert on Sophia Coppola the person sure and The Thomas Crown of Fair parentheses 1999 I would say to that like I consider you perhaps leading expert on Thomas Crown of Fair parentheses 1999 but also all these subjects within this film Oh, thank you so much on the board of experts. Thank you. That's great. That's a good place to be I'm looking to be on more boards.

Yes in the future I said that's just a nice check that you get every once in a while to show up and sit through a PowerPoint presentation So anybody needs me I'm available was this like an opening weekend 99 theaters. We free when did you get Tommy Pild? So certainly that summer and this is essentially my birthday week. Maybe the week after I'm I'm an I'll get Leo Yeah, I sure am there's no tonight yet.

You exude it. You exude it. Yeah, so I would have been turning 15 years old Okay, so the real question there is could I get to them all opening weekend or like when was I being dropped? It's rated art.

So rated our movie. Yeah, that's a good point So where you speak and it earns it in a nice way. Yes. Yes, I'm I'm maybe I watched it at home then Okay, now that I think about it because yeah, I'm seeing here the MPa rated it are for boobs and art theft Yeah, so that's the that's on the poster there I look forward to talking about Renee Russo's absolutely spectacular rest.

I'm glad that you are in a part of the artwork of this film and you know I Story goes that this was the first time that she really did that level of nudity I think she was in her mid 40s. It's like I wanted on record I don't know that's actually true I haven't spoken with Renee Russo to confirm it, but I am glad that it's on record and she should be as well I remember when this movie came out people being surprised that she did nudity and then also being like fucking good on her I get it, you know Griffin Griffin. It was more than that it was like a one New York Times like lower section Like story a woman in her 40s is taking her clothes off in a film and it's it's getting a wide release This isn't some sort of museum exhibit for strange people and also like Cisco and Ebert are giving the nudity specifically two thumbs up The biggest thing that happened to do to you guys in the 90s was civil with his butt on and my Pretty hard to remember this like do you remember where you were? I wasn't old enough to watch NYPD blue, but it's just like when they showed Dennis Brown's bear ass on network TV It was like the entire world stop and then number two was Renee Russo over the age of 40.

Yes taking her top off multiple times By the way, I mean that's the other thing she's like doing the sex scene, but she's also at the beach She's got that incredible mesh dress at the gala mesh look. Oh my god. Look. I'm already set aside half an hour For obviously talking about weary cuck Dennis leery.

There's half an hour right for a neighbor says rack That's that's not a problem You for being sure to pin that on the court I understand that you guys couldn't totally want to talk about go there You have to introduce the subject I do feel that these they were purposefully and willfully included as a special effect I'm gonna try to fair, you know like she was she was a part of it It's not exploitative and it's wrong than I apologize for a neighbor So and I just wanted to know that she she looks great, but I'm sorry it was uncomfortable But it seems like she was in on it I think she was in on it absolutely and she I from what I remember at the press at the time It was very much like her being like I'm going for a baby Yeah, my goss is that a wicked is going to be the a one trailer at the Super Bowl They universal has booked the number one spot in the Super Bowl first trailer out of the Super Bowl is wicked. Okay, so like kick off Yes, Taylor Swift like photo close up and then cut to Ariana Grande doing whatever Amanda I'm glad you're here for this one because this is the exact angle of this I want to analyze do you think there is any universe in which universal would be buying ad time for wicked during the Super Bowl Were Taylor Swift now not inextricably connected to the NFL? Do you think it's a good question to market that movie during that broadcast? Well in that universe did Barbie so make as much money as it did last year because I do think that The Super Bowl is a major marketing event.

Yeah, and Barbie has type people if you market things Like aggressively women then maybe they'll spend a billion dollars. You guys like wicked the musical you seen it Yeah, of course. I think it's a hugely flawed musical, but I think it's placed in the culture at this point is quite secure I've never seen it. So it's it's about the Wicked Witch of the West.

Yes, and the Good Witch. Yes You don't know anything about it. Okay, okay, so I know like I know a Dean of Azelle Mabelle what is it? Adele does even with Alright, so this is the idea like you know how there's the Wicked Witch in the Wizard of Oz And she's wicked it's right there in her name right and then there's the Good Witch in the bubble right who come Glinda Who comes down and is in the bubble?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you think their high school experience was like? Oh my god, so they're in high school is it like they it's like the witches high school. They're in like magic school Yeah, it's very similar to the flashback in Austin Powers in Gold member where you realize that Austin and Dr. Evil went to spy boarding school together All right, and it used to be friends, but a rivalry was formed there that extended into their adult careers I was gonna take us down a whole spy school.

I just I don't know if anyone is looking for a gift for like five to ten year old Constantly, but I said my godson and his sister this subscription service where they get stuff in the mail every week telling them That they've been enrolled in a spy school and they get like and they need help with the case And so new clues and everything show up in the mail every week and they might but they like really think they're in a spy school But they actually do so it's I should look at the name It's really great and that sounds fun and I would watch a musical based on that So you're pitching your own musical which is yeah, yeah I nailed a musical but that is just like a good gift if you're looking for something for a small child Yeah, or also maybe for Ben because it does sound like the kind of gift Ben would appreciate it But wicked but so the thing is that the wicked witch is misunderstood. Yeah, and it's not really good But she's good. Yes, she's like this because of her green skin The world future poorly. Okay.

Yeah, she she has a sister who who's gonna get crushed by a house in the wicked universe Does the wizard of Oz existed? He sure does Also, then is the moral of the story that that you become a bad person? No, I don't want to spoil wicked for you But the moral is perhaps the story as you perceived it is not actually quite what was going on Yeah, maybe the wicked witch wasn't so bad. Okay, maybe it was a matter of point of view.

Okay, you watch it thinking Oh, no, this is gonna be a story about watching someone I like become irredeemably evil, right? Because she is the compelling character. This is the other thing about wicked I don't know you don't know very much about her in Wizard of Oz Exactly for the you're like is this gonna be an Anakin Skywalker You watch the Wizard of Oz being like wow that was really tough and we did Look, I've also read the books and the books are darker and they're all about how like Oz seems to have a sort of tiered system with the animals at the bottom and the munchkins at the bottom and all this and like the the musical kind of softens that but it's about that You also get like teen man backstory and some of the other shit that happens in wicked But the other thing I'll say about wicked is frozen pretty liberally took a lot of the things that worked in wicked Oh, and in some ways refined them. Okay, but the dynamic between the two of them between Glinda and Alpha, but sure even though they're not sisters and that is very much something they put it off of in frozen where you're like Well, instead of having a hero in a villain.

Okay, what if it's sort of misunderstood got it And there's a kind of like bond of feminine power that's trying to redeem the person and all of that So like frozen is always already eaten a little bit of wicked's lunch I mean David calls out the flaws that exist in the musical their flaws that I imagine would only be enlarging if you were to say Split wicked into two films the dumbest decision in the history Oh, here's what I do know is the defying gravity is like the end of the first act So that'll be like a finale of part one here's the thing splitting the movie into two films is a great bit of news for wicked part one Yes, it's truly like when you don't do the dishes and you're like that tomorrow David's problem Wicked part one is gonna be great. It's gonna be about witches at high school It's gonna have songs to end on fucking defying gravity people walk out shooting guns in the air then wicked part two is probably gonna be a tougher Break out the scrub daddy because we just it's fucking these stains. They're sticking to the plate. They're three-dimensional We'll see Don't really care about wicked witches only fair I just don't know about it, you know, I missed that I missed that train, but I know many other people think it's pretty great So that's exciting for them.

It's exciting for them You know, I felt like I played with Barbies so and I really like sure be but you know, Gregor Wig is interacting wicked as far as I know No, John Chue is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm not like oh, he's gonna have a wild take I'm like oh, he'll make like a competent movie probably right Lanky's quick question and be honest. When was the last time you actually thought about how much fiber you were eating? Not protein not calories fiber in the US fewer than one in ten adults hit their daily recommended intake and fiber isn't a bonus nutrient It's foundational. That's where fuel comes in on those days when I got a rush to the studio to tape an episode And I need a quick and healthy meal I reach for one bottle or one scoop that gives me everything a real meal is supposed to give you The black edition ready to drink has 35 grams of protein 7 grams of fiber 27 essential vitamins and minerals no artificial sweeteners It's gluten-free and it's under five bucks or let's say on the days that I want something a little more customizable I use the black edition powder I can add it to whatever and get 40 grams of protein same complete nutrition just a different vibe The RTD and powder duo has become my insurance policy against chaotic days and makes staying consistent so easy Limited time offer yet fuel today with our exclusive offer of 15% off online with our code check at fuel calm Slash check new customers only thanks fuel for partnering and supporting our show David yes, got an intentional air about you today.

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No, I did not this one was rated 15 in Britain for I said boobs in our crime Yeah, so I think I was too young. I definitely remember I watched it with my mother on VHS when it came out on home video And yeah, it's a great time. I think that is the exact same thing that you weren't it wasn't awkward being sitting next to your mom with all the boobs Well, I guess you were you know a more European sensibility. I was I look me and my mom watch sex in the city together like I don't know that's probably what made me the man I am like Less than comfort by shame or something my my formative watching our rated movies with my parents And why I think I didn't see this in theaters is because I want to see German choir with my mother and the you know The never stop fucking me see at the beginning that was pretty tough I think we haven't booked a lot.

Yeah on this podcast not just in the German choir episode It's something where if you see that at the right age and especially you watch it adjacent to a parent Right. It is burning your head for a while. Yeah, I guess this is what sex is yes Yes, yes, and also I I want to separate this from yeah from my parents perspective when you're a kid You're could you're like what is even matter in that movie could let that right out when you're an adult you watch it Like I understand everything about Kelly Preston's Me both I just fall apart if you don't include that scene the Thomas Crown of air Grief did you see it in theaters? No, you were you know, I like almost definitely only a couple years than you I almost definitely watch this on VHS with my mom which I do think I was my mom was very protected about what I watched But there would be exceptions for things that she respected okay, you know Yeah, and she's diehard fan of the original Thomas Crown I went to see it with her at the Metrograph like two months ago Sure, Juson which Take a little nap Yeah, with all respect to the great norm Juson it is so boring like it's so slow And I understand the action movies were paced very differently and this is my like, you know internet riddle the ADHD brain or whatever There's obviously craft in it like fade down my four life also though fade on my happens to be in this film So I agree it's really boring.

It's like really boring and a lot of split screen I think this movie is better than the original in almost every regard I think overall it's unquestionably a better film and more functional film I think that is basically a craft overall else movie that barely hangs together as a story But I craft and craft and hot actors like Great, this is my thing the reason I'm surprised you are always so quick to call out a boring It is which is a thing I've heard you do so many times over a 10 plus years of friendship Is I do think in a certain way that is an early just vibes movie that you usually go to the mat for the vibes are totally fine I think I I think I was hurt by watching it as a teenager sure after the after this one Yeah, and thinking it had this reputation is like one of the you know steamyest sex Hollywood thrillers like oh my god Like the tension crackles like the chest mean it's your you know You'll be you'll goosebumps like I didn't any watch it and it feels a little tepid Which is partly just You know it's funny if you read the contemporaneous reviews of Thomas Crown of Bear 1999 and my preferred version It is a lot of critics who are who are older than us being like Pierce Brosnan root neighbors So can't come close to the chemistry of like McQueen and Dunway and I'm like are you serious? I'd like I mean do you remember that Fiji water bottle like what I guess we just have different definitions of chemistry? I think that was also just a protectiveness, right? I loved it.

Yeah, my mom did I would have it I loved it. No, I remember the archivacus early 99 spy who shagged me came out right? Yeah, I'm fucking fanatical about that movie. Okay, it has the scene with a lot of the great America has the scene with a lot of hump a lot where they parody the Thomas Crown chest scene and my mom says to me That's from Thomas Crown like anytime a movie I liked featured a reference to anything in pop culture from before 1970 She would use that as a teaching moment.

Right like when I saw toy story and she was like I'm bringing you to Also exhibit now mr. Potato head is playing to Picasso in your head as a name. So she's similarly here That's really good. This was an area which my mom did a very good job And I won't I think about it reverse last night my son is will be to on Friday as she loves planes So last night I just showed him top gun maverick Because you know what it is it's just planes going really fast and also motorcycles.

I think he loves cool guys And he just kept going fast fast whoosh fast just was absolutely shocked and odd and delighted anyway So my kid is basically a full year older than your kid where that's that's now. I have that well, yeah, not bragging Not bragging. I know it's humble right. Yeah, I'm humble bragging.

That's just gonna be free I'm not showing her talk on maverick at Griff actually. I will tell you today my kid threw up yesterday So she was home today. Well, that's a really yeah huge humble brag for her cuz she's totally fine today She demanded light ear cuz she loves buzz. Okay, she's okay.

Oh the Disney plus two minutes in she was like get this shit Oh, yeah, what is this they're like talking to each other? This is so boring my friend there's I know when I was friends who haven't booked a lot on this podcast He has a daughter a little bit older who loves buzz like your ghost asleep with a buzz doll like carries it around all the time Brought her to light year as her first movie ever in theaters and 15 minutes in she's like I think I'm good And like full pump and circumcip look you get a popcorn bucket I went I went alone to a press greeting of light year as one does and you got put on a watch list for that Yeah, but it was it was at least like one of the ones where they brought you could bring children and so other people did bring children I think let your predates my son anyway And so I sat next to a small kid who was just like confused and or terrified the whole time And I like it. I just completely ruined the movie for me on his behalf. I was like well this little child hates this I like it.

Yeah, no, but I think that child was smart. Yeah, okay. Yes. That child was Richard I I not a humble brag but I was Loosely dating someone at the time let your came out and I went to go see a mat and I buy myself in the afternoon And she found the ticket stub in my pants pocket and broke up with me very shortly after and I'm not saying that two things are connected But her reaction was as if she had found evidence of me with another woman That's why I was gonna ask it was it because she didn't go with you or no She was like you went to see light year and today, right?

And I was like yeah, she was like who do you go with and I was like no one I thought she was accusing me of going out with someone else right right when she realized I went to light year by myself in the afternoon She got kind of freaked out. Okay. All right. It was a bit of a red flag for her arc of my mom with this movie as I remember it is Spy was shagging she calls out, you know, that's from the original Thomas Crown affair I go what's the Thomas Crown affair?

I don't remember she shows it the original to me at that point if she did I probably had a good night sleep Then this movie comes out and she staunchly against it Oh, why can't I leave the classics alone? Everything needs to be updated and I do think when it came out there was that attitude and this movie was something of a sleeper hit Because the word of mouth was so good up. Yeah, this thing actually really yeah The reviews were good and even still people were a little cagey and it grew so then I think we rented it whenever came out on VHS And she kind of had to be grudgingly be like it's good. I think she still maintains the originals better That's that's her right But then this time I saw it with her recently like two months ago She was like, you know, it really doesn't make any sense Like barely barely has a plot and I was like yeah And we were we were in alignment of like that thing is like some incredible craft the split screen shit was basically unseen at that point Yeah, but absolutely feels like a post-production salvage job like a suicide squad ask How do we make this movie so weird that people don't notice that we actually didn't make a function Yeah, and then the movie star like he is off the charts for sure Yes, but the core concept of it is so good that when you watch it, you're like yeah This is begging for someone to make a functional version of this story set up I agree, but I also think that the changes that McTyrnan by all accounts makes to it like improve it Absolutely that it is they are too.

I'm gonna be honest pretty ingenious art heists like they are both very clever like well executed keepers that you also Can follow in real time you don't need the Soderberg like you know after the fact and spin back years what really happened no very direct I don't want anyone having a question that I'm aligning Steven Soderberg my favorite person on earth and also I love Ocean's 11 But it's just like they're very smart because it's art the stakes are I guess lower but but they don't feel it Just it's fun. You don't have to worry about it as David's favorite Dennis Leary says at the end It's just like fancy swirls of pain that only matter to like some very silly people So the stakes can just be is he gonna get away with it. Are they gonna like figure their shit out? This is why it's frustrating that McTyrnan lost it to some degree or at least has never been able to fully get it back You know or prove yeah give himself the opportunity to get it back is that same fucking thing with die hard Die hard is meant to be terrorists when he reads the script and he's like they gotta be robbers Yeah, he's the movie is not fun right no one wants to see terrorists get beaten because you need to beat them like violently And it reminds me the outside world.

No one's terrorists at Christmas. I know right right and I don't know if you know But yeah, but but he was like it's more fun if they are robbers pretending to be terrorists the audience will be on board Yeah, yes, we joyful and he's totally right and you watch the original Thomas Crown affair and The whole notion of this man who has everything who is so bored He starts committing crimes for sport basically to give himself a thrill right plays very differently in the original when it's armed bank robbery And there are like casualties right it's maybe like a more complex character and like a more you know That's that's a great novel. Yes. This is a great idea Actually, but it's just it's really it's way way more fun And as you were saying not only does he not need to do the rollback and explain to you how the heist was done Yeah, where you just watch it real time He also doesn't give you the watch them trying to work out the heist right think of like how many other heist movies are there?

We're the only thing you ever see is the heist itself and it's all legible to you spreading blueprints around I love it. Here's what our plans gonna be but you're that's a good observation that you just watch it happen And I never begrudge either of the the premise or the pro post game analysis happening in a heist movie But it is a little impressive just as a skill piece that McTeary makes two heist that work where every time an element is introduced in real time You go I get what they're doing and it's like it's deft to it's just like When you rewatch it for the thousand times I did it's like oh there is one line about do you want me to take your briefcase to the office? Oh, Mr. Crown you forgot your briefcase and It's not heavy-handed enough that you would be like why are they so fixated on his briefcase But it's like an essential plot point that the first time you see her like oh the briefcases It's the exact thing McTeary was a master at which is knowing exactly how to draw your focus to certain things Keep them in mind without overplaying the hand in a way that telegraphs right this is important I'm going to open the dossier Griffin.

Have you guys heard of the film Golden Eye? Okay, so Pierce Brosnan was the star of that film it came out in 1995 and it was successful MgM corporation true. Yes, and because Pierce now has this power. He found say company called Irish dream time I am not getting that is the name of his production company and he starts casting around for a Pierce Brosnan project John Callie who is we would have we would have a producer who would have come up we work with Kubrick a lot Okay, he is sort of his guy running Irish dream time Mm-hmm, and they make a movie called the nephew.

I have never heard of this movie often his first effort Yes, the run of Irish dream time productions is really fascinating when you look at it as a whole because it's sort of all the Pierce blank Chacks I'm bond I can get movies of certain size green lit on my name movies the biggest things He's being an outside of bond and this movie are usually him joining someone else's production versus Irish dream time productions Which are like Evelyn and the Matador and Taylor Panama and like his I want to show a different side of myself movies Where do you feel about Pierce generally especially, you know movie star like this a list or Pierce versus you know? Mamma Mia character appears. Oh well, I love character actor Right, but that also brings to mind to me like the Mrs. Sapphire and it was a run by fruity You know and he's he's very good in that as well That was probably my first Pierce experience mind.

I'm sure I like like both of you I soon or David I know you're a big bond person but I don't know where you are on bond I like bond. Okay, we did all the Pierce bonds on patreon last year Okay, and then just recently did mirror has to face this with Streisand Oh, oh, and then these two Pierce episodes and McTearnan because this first film is also Pierce So we've been in like a really piercing run and I love here's unabashed So I love Pierce. He's not my favorite bond and I think this is the best of his bond movies This is like what he should be doing instead of the bond stuff And I don't know whether it's just the the tone and the setup of this movie Fits him a little bit more than like, you know made up international conspiracy to to fund a video game Whatever, but I really like him. This is my favorite of this era I don't love his bond stuff as much and I mean, you know everything.

He's done sense is delightful Yeah, it's bonds up is very very up and down obviously this is this is the one time I feel like it truly like bond era Pierce just completely makes sense in another movie like he's he's good in Taylor Panama or The Matador obvious, you know, like he's good another stuff But this is the one time the movie star image makes sense We've talked about this a lot that there's the sort of like monkey paw of getting cast as bonds And what do you do with the movies in between bond and that those guys tend to really struggle to like if you go too far away From the bond persona people aren't seeing what they want from you And if you do something that feels too bond adjacent It's like well this feels like an also ran yeah I'm waiting for the major bond and someone like Craig like really took until knives out that it's like he knows a character That's far enough away from bond right is now its own franchise He's gonna survive but you look at the Craig movies in between his bond entries and most of the bomb hard and Pierce This is like the one that really worked in the middle of his bond run because it's borrowing what is good about bond But in this way, that's the toughest and you'll to thread like you know Connery was making movies while he was bond But a lot of the in between bond movies or a little forgotten even the good ones And this was like Pierce totally knocked it out of the park So he and his other producing partner Bo St. Clair great name Wren to the Thomas ground affair from blockbuster video heard of it because they should be casting around Do you think that like they know they want to rent Thomas crown affair? 1968 and they send an assistant to go in to walk westward again or or do you think that Pierce and Bo are just like Walk in the aisles of blockbuster looking for inspiration and are like okay, why don't we check this out? It has to be the latter just the two of them doing He lives in like a fortress in Malibu I also have to imagine and maybe I'm wrong about this but like at that point in time the two of them are like okay We can get some movies made what do we want to do?

MGM you are behind me as bond. What do they have in their library that I can like right run with probably be an easier sell to them So they watch the Thomas crown affair and Griffin they say yes, this is bronze and talking You know the suits the love affair the chest sequence of course all very iconic But there wasn't enough flesh on the bone of the love affair I felt I thought we could explore the romance and find what actually makes this guy take and fall in love and it dovetailed well into the Persona that happened was happening with myself and bond he's he's totally right obviously like they good for them Well, I think the major change there too is that I think the Characterization of Thomas crown himself as a guy is a little more interesting than the original because they are playing off that like this Guys may be close to having a psychotic break right why is he doing something this dangerous and the point is obviously really good But I don't think that's a strike against this movie that pierces a little more elusive as a character because the real reframing is She is a lead character this movie. Yeah, oh, yes in every sense. I would say I accept that Yeah, he brings in Leslie Dixon who wrote Mrs.

Doubtfire the most quotable new time Ben That's true Ben Ben once called it once called it miss stuff are the most quotable movie of all time And we asked him to name his favorite quote. I'm trying to think besides run by fruiting. Okay, what else is there? There's of course, oh sure.

Yeah, that's the quote he pulled out to back up his I can't think of a third one bad just imagining I best know is like the sort of like George Orwell for morons Guy right like Which is one of the worst films I've ever seen a great movie, but he's he they are brought together Basically to write that they had like an earlier draft. It's basically just a rewrite of the original movie Bros. And doesn't like that And instead it's like Leslie you're gonna do the romance stuff Kurt. You're gonna do the action stuff Leslie comes up with the idea of the therapist right having that having like him being able to talk about himself a little bit more and they they have a fun script and Who does Pierce Brosen like Griffin Newman who has he worked with on one of his first ever attempts to break into Hollywood John McDeary Yeah, the world's most innocent man at this point Yeah, he's currently At first he's working on 13 for here.

He was supposed to make a Michael Creighton vehicle called airframe after that I don't know what that is. Yeah, but he jumps at the chance to re-team with Brosnan and I could understand him not want to jump Onto another Creighton adaptation coming off of 13 for yes, McTyrnan's take it's a love story for crocodiles They're both a piece of work. It's you know Who should be together? There's this big obstacle they got these razor blades installed at the ends of all of their bones is how he says So he really likes the spiky romance And you know he's he's all for it.

Okay, so he makes the art thief change, right? But then he makes yeah, he changes the this rep that they have its banks and then he changes the target here Yeah, he's basically like take the guns out, but yes, okay, Renee Rose And this is the casting coup of the movie right because she's no way she's the obvious pick like right I'm trying to think of like who are who is the obvious pick in 1999 for this role like you know Nicole Kidman I don't know sure what it made a lot of sense. Here's what I want to throw up that I just think is so fascinating about Renee So and is kind of unique do you guys know what her first film credit is major league, baby major league really first movie is major league She was a model then she sort of like ages out of modeling as happens to most models at a weirdly young age, right? Then she's like I want to learn how to act she goes to drama school.

She takes classes She does like you know off beaten theater. She does six episodes of a TV show that was prematurely canceled Okay, and then does major league those are her first two screen credits So major league is her first movie period after only doing a handful of TV and she is 35 when that movie is film awesome How many actresses who are conventional a list leading ladies start their career 35 a time where this horrible industry is starting to push people out the door She is someone who arrives as like a grown-up. Yeah, it's right her entire movie career is like this is an adult woman Well, and she arrives at a good time Yes, are they still need movies about adult women? Yes, just being adult women and not having to go on some sort of like journey of self discovery to find that they're adult women You know and and whatever but I can't think of anyone currently because there's like no 35 year old or 45 year old woman Just playing a woman who's starting doing that.

Yeah, and not only that but it's like this era where I feel like her career niche becomes Look a lot of these other movies. They're gonna cast a love interest who's 20 years younger than the man Right. What if you want just to mix things up cast someone who can kind of stand toe to toe with a guy in like every respect When when the film is announced variety claims that you know mgm is looking for a julia roberts caliber Right julia roberts is 31 at the time braza nis 45 And both mcturnan and braza were basically like we will both wanted someone in her 40s Like we were like what about an age appropriate romance and uh they both loved rene roose so but like I I'm trying to like I don't think there was no one else listed here They are really claiming like this is who we wanted and we went and got her like yeah I I guess there wasn't some kind of like casting search or a level you know a list or who passed or whatever I mean like where would you guys rene roose so her she's a big actor that you know gets short eat him Can I literally just can I lift them because they're not that many yeah? Yeah, yeah Yeah, so it's major league mr.

Destiny jimballushi vehicle. We can disregard that one good cop michael keaton cop drama doesn't really make an impact free jack then lethal weapon three Which is obviously the first thing that really upservs right right then in the line of fire I'm not skipping over any movies in this run you go from lethal weapon three to in the line of fire Can I just um shout out free jack which is the insane movie But is also where she meets the writer and director dang girl. I who she is still So married to good call put pin in that lethal weapon three in the line of fire It came you in major league to outbreak get shorty tin cup ransom buddy lethal weapon for that's a strong fucking right Yeah, and those are all big movies. Yes for all of those.

Yeah. Yes. Yes for someone who is acting at that point for less than a decade she gets on the poster almost immediately like the public is buying what she's selling Which is not because it's like very out of trend with the other major actresses of that time that's true, but she sort of Invents a like a type of 90s role for herself, you know like the Renee Russo is a character who has a grown up in Mostly among dudes in like a action tent, you know tilted movie sure Yeah, but so and it's like you need a Renee Russo, but they just don't They don't make Renee Russo's anymore along with making movies that have Renee Russo's no Do you know because I found this out recently god what Ben? She was Natasha and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

So we're gonna talk about it her peak as a movie star comes a year after this Damn that hits for me The problem with poor Renee Russo's career and I love her name Russo to death is after this you're like god damn well Thomas kran on the world must have been her oyster and then it's like rocky and bullwinkle showtime big trouble Two for the money yours mine and ours and then she's out She doesn't make movies until she pops up as Thor in not as Thor as Thor's mom in Thor. It's freaking Of course for good mother with Thor. Yeah, absolutely No, I mean she's since done interviews about her ongoing struggle with bipolar disorder and when she stepped away from movies after yours Mine and ours that gap between that and o5 and Thor in 11. I think was largely Based around that.

Wow, I had no idea It was a thing I was just in digging through her career last night found this because she never did a big sort of like people magazine cover my struggle Right, right, right. She was on the queen latifa the short-lived queen latifa daytime talk show Okay promoting Nightcrawler and latifa asked her some question about like so what was your life like in those years in between? And she just broke into it and was like, you know, I wasn't planning to talk about this today and it weirdly didn't get a lot of coverage Yeah, but I think now we're gonna like I've taken years off from acting because I just have trying to like regulate myself Right. Wow and find a way to process But yes, like Thor is a movie where they basically cut her roll down to two lines of dialogue She then gets more to do in the second Thor and probably gets the best of the marvel material in endgame But that's mostly literally what does she do in endgame?

She tells fat Thor to chill out and yeah, thanks mom and she's like great So the residual checks go to 123 Russo street California his emotional arc in endgame is that he's sad that his mom's died and he can't have a conversation with her and through the Infinites stones he gets to go back in time and have one final day with his mother Oh, and she's very well. Is that why kat America gets the hammer? Uh, no, okay This is good thing about it. She does.

It's classic marvel the whole thing with marvel is It's not a big part of the movie and people sometimes might even forget that it's part of the movie Because Renee Russo is there it punches above its weight a little bit like she's she's really good and she makes an effort Um, it's not it's not as you know, it's good. It's a perfectly nice moment, you know in a big loud movie Can we talk about the intern from it? Well, this is what I want to say Okay, they're back for the Thor movies right with very little to do in the first two and then it's like fucking night crawler and interned to success of years Yeah, I'm like as Renee back right has Renee carved out her good Renee in her 60s type Right and it felt like night crawler. She was on the bubble for Oscar nomination Internally fucking rocks and rules in and it's one of the great movies of the 2010s are your full intern?

I love intern. It is my favorite Nancy movie. That's a little much I also agree that that's a little much. I love intern as you know the answer to baby boom however many years later It's a fascinating text.

Yes. Um, it's just got one problem The other interns no no they're fine. You know who I know who I don't like in the intern Griffin I'd say I'd say it's a two-fold problem both of those problems are workaholics. Oh, okay.

Is that Aria's? Oh, is it the husband? Yeah, yeah, he sucks and she stays with him. Yes.

Yeah, but she keeps the company too, right? Correct. Yeah, she has no life scales back, right? Yeah, but if she dumps him at the end of that movie The intern probably wins best because she get it because like whatever happened with Emily Weiss Do you guys know who Emily Weiss is?

I realize no you know about Gossie? Do you know what that is? Oh, which is sort of the analog of what that movie Yeah, so well, I think I think the intern is actually supposed to be like net apporte. Do you know what that is?

Yes, that's it. I mean, I don't know. I just want to make sure everyone has a reference So that's an online chopping platform, but that like seems to be what they're mimicking Yes, because I think intern class maybe exists around that but it's the same Era that they it's starting sure but eventually Emily Weiss got interned where they hired she was the founder and then she Like brought on a quote unquote CEO. She like turned around the business because things were too too much But now that's what's happened in real life So I can never remember how the intern actually ends whether she keeps the company or not She wins she keeps everything at the end of the movie.

Okay, but she should have dumped the goo Right. She she does touch you so you know that she somehow like sure Yeah, like three streets away from where they filmed where her home for the intern And I just I really had a lot of problems getting to my my own much less nice house First several hours of Nancy sure because of Nancy Because you know what Nancy like gets the whole neighborhood Right, you know, there are trailers and god bless her she deserves every single trailer But that's that's what I remember about the intern. I liked it. I liked it.

I liked it I like to know there's like 20% of it like genuinely hate. Yeah, which is all this voice stuff basically But he sucks. She's absolutely not be with it Like the 80% of that movie in the kitchen is a little too instagrammy. I would agree with that But it's like it's accurate.

It's reflecting. Yeah, she would have an instagrammy Right, it's like correct and it's a character, but you know, I prefer the original it's complicated kitchen for my own life Well, that's that's peak kitchen, but it's yeah, I'm just renovating it sure well That's but that's why Nancy was brilliant and it's complicated of she gets to show you the best kitchen But if you have any criticisms of it, right? Yeah, she's telling you well It's actually not finished. Yeah, so don't judge it as a fixed object She's never gonna top that again That's she's never gonna get a better kitchen on screen because she's created a shadow that will loom over the rest of her career I mean, that's true That's I think in the kitchen area, but intern post that Russo does just getting started the run Shelton Tommy Lee Jones Morgan Freeman retirement home comedy velvet buzz that also in intern She is like the the very beautiful masseuse who winds up with with Robert Robert De Niro's So like she really gets aged like category bumped very quickly in a way that I feel is unfair Well, it's what's interesting is like in the 90s She's leading woman to other men in their 40s and that's what's so refreshing when she comes back in the 2010s She is in her 60s playing against 80 year olds.

No, no, no, no, no, De Niro is 10 years older than her It's not the most insane thing in the world, but yeah, you know, but the you know, she's aging differently Well, you know, Robert De Niro Is a handsome man, but yeah, sure Were you guys De Niro a Pacino on that viral meme thing? Look, the whole point of that viral meme is that it's hard to choose De Niro, I'm De Niro. I'm De Niro. I'm De Niro.

I'm De Niro. I'm De Niro. No, it's a big night run It's been a night run, but like it's also like you have the thing of like who do I want picking me up in heat, right? Do I want?

Yeah, like, you know, psychoneal McCauley. Do I want screamy vince and Hannah? I'm like, I think I want you Like I think it's De Niro, but like that doesn't be Pacino isn't hot. Like of course, but she knows hot Yeah, I mean, I think I'm Pacino as well I also felt like the De Niro photo chosen was extremely handsome but unrepresentative like how many times he smiled in his life?

It was unfair like that and three other times, you know, and he does look really adorable when he does but that's not what you're getting That's not that's not the standard. Yeah, I just want to close the loop on the Russo career thing She is that movie. She has velvet buzz saw which is like great her and Gilroy again doesn't work And then it's a ventures end game. She has not made a movie in five years But here's another thing I found out my digging are you aware that Renee Russo and Dan Gilroy have a daughter named Rose Gilroy Who looks exactly like Renee Russo and is a black list screenwriter Whose spec script is now being made by apple for two hundred million dollars called project I guess which I believe is a scarlet Johansson chaining tatum astronaut romcom Oh that is written by their daughter.

Yes. Well, doesn't that rule good for them? I hope it's good. Me too She's she's very pretty.

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Let's go together use check to save today offers value for limited time terms and conditions may apply So Renee Russo McTyrnan loves her He wanted a tough cookie You know is what he says and but they wanted to dress her up in this way that you could you know You can still think like but she could fall in love You know she can go toe to toe with anybody in this movie, but she's gonna have to become vulnerable and he's her neighbor So uh embodies both very well. Well, that's like the cornerstone of it's what gives the original Thomas Cranifair juice and what this movie is trying to centralize more is These two people in this cat and mouse game who genuinely want to be in love with each other and can't decide if they're being stupid By assuming the other person genuinely feels the same way They mostly want to yes, but they cut they they want to deep down right, but they also Refuse to acknowledge that yes and spend a lot of time and basically have constructed their entire lives to avoid the knowledge of that the sort of Michael Manny I live my step I have a particular set of rules I don't break them for anyone and not only are you threatened to make me break my own rules You're the exact person who could fuck me the most right if you were to turn on me And I'll feel like a fool if I figure out you were playing me the whole time right yes, it's good shit It's just compelling backbone for a movie all right. Let's talk about the movie So opening of this movie is just the most joyful fun shit in the world in my opinion the initial the Trojan horse Heist the whole every stage of it The light and also opening credits where the letters are swapping oh yeah, and the bill conti score comes in immediately and that anytime it's piano based Yes, it's a plus stuff, but it's also sort of like tipping its hand to what the movies can be doing where the letters that are swapping are always the same letters In two positions. Yeah, it's really it's really good.

Uh, conti freaks it in my opinion I mean he does like it's a lot. There's always music and Like that's why I said the piano part's really good for example during that heist when there anytime that you're with a heist crew number one And the fake ice crew and for example They're sawing out of the Trojan horse or they're trying to figure out how to cut the ac and evade the security lamps Or security cameras. There is like that basically porn soundtrack, you know Like And that is silly, you know I was thinking a lot about like if we just recut this movie now without that part of the soundtrack and maybe like without 20% of like the insert shots of making keys like this might be a masterpiece I'm gonna push back on the keys McEeron and definitely wants some sparks to fly. Yeah, it's just like cut back 20 Percent, you know, you can't cut all of them because I want to see them sawing out the Trojan horse No, I want to see the scuba masks that they're using so they can breathe inside the Trojan horse until they get there I'm with you 100 on the score and what I find a little frustrating about it is like 75 of it unreservedly owns Right and then there's just like extra toppings on the pizza where it's not even like he's making bad choices It's like you could literally go into the file and pull a couple layers out right now.

It would sound great Yes, he's just going a little too hard at times Which is usually when he kicks in that like red shoes diaries vibe, right? And also like the transitions are so fast, you know, just goes like from one back to the other Like silence is not really a part of this film at all which for the most part is good. It's like perpulsant the Trojan horse thing I just I really love it because it is it is like a little bit clever But also like really obvious enough for everyone to get you know It's and they even remark upon it enough in the movie that if you don't immediately get the Trojan horse reference It's sort of like it very briefly explained to you. It's it's like accessible.

Well, it's not eyebrow It's like middle brow trying to explain hi, bro I agree and it's I think that feel this way about the bill cante score two where it's like we are here to have fun guys Like there are stakes absolutely, but like everyone relax. No one's gonna die in the Thomas crown affair Like it's gonna work. But also like cornerstone Cornerstone McTyran in style is I will never do something flashy at the expense of the audience understanding. Yes, right?

Yeah, I'm not here to impress anybody I'm here to communicate this story in a way that gets everyone on board The other thing is it's good characterization because part of the thing with this guy is that he's bored, right? Like McQueen Thomas crown is like kind of manic and losing it This guy's trying to wake himself up again So all of this is like sport for his own amusement and part of what I think he enjoys is doing it so overtly it right in everyone's face To be as obvious about it as he can right and still get away with it I mean, I think that's true. I do also think that McTyran in point like it is it's it's fun And it's for the broadest possible. It's like he's stealing a mone painting You know, I'm like when they do run the check be like who has been bidding on monies And it's like well, like maybe half the world But it's it's like the artist that everyone is sort of there's that very charming scene Yeah, the tour guide and the schoolchildren and it's worth a hundred million bucks It's just like great exposition, but also like not talking down to anyone.

Yeah, it's it's very well calibrated Yes, I want to go to the mat so much that the security guards are like hey, David here to look at your haystacks right? Take a seat like I do have some questions about Uh, this time is crowns just like general schedule and time management And we're like meant to believe he's one of the great Wall Street Raiders At the 80s and 90s and and like he's so busy that he has to have his like, you know made to measure suits done while guys are like yelling at him about stocks Yes, or like whatever or acquisitions or whatever they're doing I guess their mna Um, but he also has time to like go to up and he works downtown, which is very clear by the view in his office Yeah, but he has time to be at the museum like multiple times a day He takes her neighbor so on a date at like 4 p.m When leery gets the warrant and they show up at his house It's like definitely midday on a Tuesday and he and his lawyer are like wearing aprons like cooking a meal in broad daylight I'm just like what kind of wall street radar are you? I'll go beyond that. I'll say in fact I think over the course of this movie you basically see Thomas crown taker neighbor So out on a date at every possible time of day someone could take someone out in a date He's making it very clear.

There is no hour that is off limits for me It's just and plus he has to be dating the other woman or like not dating as the case But you know that's it's just like a lot of time spent out of the office and that is not The impression that I got about how things worked in the 80s and 90s on wall street to defend the movie I think it's like he's gotten so on autopilot buying companies or whatever the hell it is he does Yeah, he's just like yeah, I can do this in my sleep. Yeah, I just screwed you out of 10 million bucks I'll see you later like that's why he's like should I just fucking steal a mone and then put it back Just you know just to get a flutter just to feel something what are it's fair? It's fair. It's this is what happens when you watch it 45,000 times.

It's like why is wallis his lawyer Also helping him cook a mid-day meal on a Tuesday. Yeah, you know My read as well is like the McQueen character It almost feels like he is trying to tank his career and he can't yeah Like he's Tracy Jordan and he's like I want people to hate me I want to bomb out and nothing I do ends up sabotaging my my industry Right that he almost kind of lucked into all of it to a certain extent versus this guy I read it as like he was really hungry 20 years ago He got to the top of the mountain and found that he doesn't really enjoy it And now he's just near like catatonic depression board right trying to do anything to raise his pulse a little bit Where he likes this game of just like what if I blow off everything? What if I like invite my lawyer over when we make dinner like I know it's also like the therapy scenes Can we talk about the therapy scenes? Of course made down away as this therapist which is just a great imagine a great bit of casting But it's like in some ways she's a great therapist because she gets right to the point And she I mean and they use her as a device to be like this is what's going on with this guy But like that's not a therapy works here It's supposed to make the revelation yourself and so like he is basically just in therapy with her because she can keep up with him Conversation wise and so he's the type of guy who goes to therapy just to have someone to talk to him at his level And he likes being yelled at by fate on a way with Yeah, if my therapist laughed and clapped that much at things I said I would maybe see a different therapist But he loves it.

Yeah, but she also will be like don't you fall in love mr. Crown? You know or whatever she wasn't like him out the early scene of him selling off the part of his company or whatever Right, right? But guys lighting the cigars in the original film that's him just being like I'm so fucking bored I want to just get rid of all of this right whereas in this movie they're trying to make this try I'm feeling like we fucking beat you who ever thought Thomas crown would need to sell anything for money We have the cigars ready to go and they try to do this big triumphant like we fucking own your ass thing And he's so unresponsive that it's not even fun to them Right, they want to feel like they got one over on him and this guy just like doesn't give a shit anymore No, he doesn't really care.

So he swipes him onate. How does he do it? He stages an entire other burglary with a bunch of romanians in a truck chosen horse that cut the ac and they Bring a helicopter on the roof of the Matt Paunton Museum of Art, which isn't allowed No They use like three different types of like inspector gadget briefcases that seem like they would come from the spice Yes, yeah, yeah And so it's a distraction and then he Very sexily rips the Monet off the wall. Yeah, that's a briefcase.

Oh, okay. All right, and let's talk about it folds it up Hold it in half and fold out the briefcase and he's got this continuous like Jerome Robbins Esc single shots unbroken movement right pulling it off stripping it off the frame It's very elegant. Yeah, it's a role under the gate Yes, and it's just every fluid movements for sure and then he like kicks the underside of the bench And then he opens the briefcase up and you're like going like how the fuck is he gonna get it in the briefcase Then the briefcase like origami style unfolds in a dimension you weren't expecting right and you're like now It's all the way open he can fit it all the way in right So what's the cover because now the top of the painting is exposed correct? We're all leaning in and then the movie just kind of cuts to a different angle And he you know you even see it like it cuts to a different angle and he's snapped it shut right and then he's off On his way with the painting and this has like kept me up at night For I guess 25 years there should be a sound effect of wood cracking right as he folds it or which would happen yes Right or the briefcase should be what I think the movie is setting up it's transformed long ways But now has a cover so in fact the dimension of the briefcase is changing And I think McTyrin and did talk about this at one point.

He did he did right so David correct me if I've gotten this wrong But they like that cut that you singled out Griff was it's correct because Theoretically they remove so okay painting it's painted on canvas and then that like the wooden thing is called the spanner and basically he would remove the spanner And then just fold the canvas up in the painting and the canvas would be unharmed and apparently it was more of this in the film And test audiences didn't like that there was a painting getting folded fold it and so mature and it was like just cut it to the bone Van just right because I I certainly Rebound it like five chance to try to track it and when he takes it off the wall you do see him stripping it to some degree and removing The frame out the frame. I was like in real time going. Oh clever What he's gonna do is also remove the spanner so that he can fold it Just a flat canvas, but then you don't see him do that it makes sense that the movie is cutting out the footed Yeah, apparently there are also like knives in the briefcase that he was using to like remove the spanner But I would be very upset if you were just taking a knife to him You know, I'm not that much of an art person so I understand the focus group of just being like no stop it According to a reddit thread that I have opened from 10 years ago Monet style involved thick application of paint followed by honey heavy varnishing So the folding wouldn't that wouldn't damage the painting? Because and then another person here has written something which is this movie makes me want to drink wine and have sex I think these are both good.

This is a valuable right? Yeah, right? Yeah, is this in our slash? Where is this post it's on our movies from 10 years ago?

There's no mention of how insanely uncomfortable would be to have sex on marble stairs, which I'm sure we're going to talk about but Experimenting he wants to know every surface and not all of them are going to work But then you know it for a fact like I couldn't have sex on marble stairs when I was 22 I know these are no 40-something, but it's not going to happen like I You have beds sir. You are okay. They start on the floor Yeah, and that looks really uncomfortable and then they're trying to get upstairs I mean the stairs are offering them some leverage, you know, and then the The chair thing and that's when the Fiji water happens, which I do believe is how I learned about Fiji water Like I don't think that we had that in Atlanta in the 2000s Or when I saw this and that back when it was a luxury item But then you know the face that beers bronze and makes after she pours the water on him He does look like he's in a little bit of pain. Yes He's like maybe the stairs hurt him as well.

No, that's that's a good point I will say like I get the sort of heat of the moment. Oh, the idea of this is sexy that we don't even have time to get to bed We're doing it here every time I've had sex on a surface that is not a bad it really makes me appreciate beds Yeah, I'm thinking in real time. God. We don't give beds enough credit They're kind of the backbone of society Yeah, so good.

Okay, but I do feel that all of the back pain and the like the marble stair sex is worth it for the shot When you can and does a close-up of the breasts of the sculpture in pure in pure spasmin's lobby and then zooms up to the real thing I mean that that is Basically going like God the 90s were a wild time to grow. Oh boy. Um, yes Okay, so the painting gets stolen who gets called my favorite boy wearing his wall his hair at its absolute worst He's got it really really tough for a guy with notoriously good hair Like what happened to Dennis leery in like sort of 98 to 99 when he suddenly has this like out of the shower like mop on his head Like I don't get what it is. Do you guys remember the leery sting public hair battle?

No, no, what do you mean that he has sort of like sting like hair like the classic? No, no, okay At some point the 90s when I guess leery is still doing stand-up I don't remember if it was within his actor while, you know doing fucking local radio shows or whatever But within some sort of comedy context leery starts aggressively making fun in some broadcast form of Sting desperately trying and failing to conquer his aggressive male right yeah, right This guy won't let it go this way. I think this was during the MTV promo era of Dennis leery right? Yeah, yeah, yes And sting sort of publicly responds and is like my friend I look forward to checking in with you again in 20 years when you're fighting the same battle that I am and 20 years later leery like hit back And was like look at my fucking hair I have no idea what you're talking about.

I won I won I won I won leery has outstanding hair He always had it and I just don't know why he's doing it this He is supposed to be a beleaguered and defeated and not able to keep up with these people He's on a different plane, you know, I agree with that. I get it in principle I do think his hair is straight up annoying to look at It looks like a 12 year old. Yes, you know like Dennis leery So this is at the end of a run in the 90s Dennis leery was about 25 movies like yeah Hollywood saw this kind of handsome Irish guy explode as a stand-up and was just like he can play any copper criminal in any script ever Like rarely a star almost always just showing up and going like all right listen asshole You know like having a copper coffee. I think this is one of his best performances ever I think he's so good in this movie and you and I look we have a well established history of loving constantly going to the map for Dennis leery character I'm one of the great unsung resources.

We love him in the amazing spider-man Which he is surprisingly like low-key in yes Eats dog shit all day all night long is he the dad he's Gwen's he's Emma Stone's dad. Yeah, so he has the joke about the branzino, right? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Amanda I was there David and I argue that's his Oscar question the best supporting action I'm a nation. He deserved for single-handedly carrying fucking amazing spider-man across the finish line.

It's the branzino scene. No, okay, he's so fucking It was trying but there is the only one who pulled it off. Yeah, I would say there's a lot effort in that movie There is the only one who's actually translating throughout the entire like process But no to your point like leery took a couple stabs of being a leading man and those don't work and almost anytime leery was called in as a supporting guy It's like a fucking giant hit. Yeah, I mean the ref Ben do you want to weigh in here?

Do you have a leery take I feel I feel you leaning in on leery? I like to stand up. I loved all the MTV promos of course and I do like to like to smoking well Yeah, I did like a smoking. I like the asshole song of course.

We all see asshole song Someone had to bring it up. What are the movies that he was a leader? He's the ref not a movie for you now? I see I think you'd like the ref the ref is good.

You haven't seen it or you don't like it Ben. I've not seen it interesting That's a little damning in and of itself. Although I do agree with them either interesting the ref aka hostile hostages with Judy Davison Kevin Spacey. I apologize is a very fun crime comedy starring Dennis leery.

Yes, it's really good David Am I wrong in remembering that there is a Dennis leery? Janine Garafolo Iyerlin themed rom-com that leery maybe also wrote that sounds familiar the matchmaker is the name of that movie He did not write it the movie thinking of that He wrote is to if I see with Sandra Bullock, which I've never seen which might be good I mean it seems kind of fun there's I watched his timeline of my career iconic roles Whatever it was one of those videos where they're going over all his like explosive I was there two roles in these beloved 90s Killers or whatever yeah, and then every time they get to one of those vehicles like the ref like to if I see like the matchmaker Which were the ones of him trying to level up to being the guy right? All of those he either wrote or developed or produced or something like that every one of them He had the exact same language was like we were making something really special in the studio fucked with it Like he had this recurring narrative of I should have had my like Jerry Maguire jump up moment Right and other people fucked it up every time But then he also what was the early FX show that he had rescue me? He has that was kind of his yeah before rescue me.

He had the shift Yeah, I feel like once the job I loved which was doing rescue me on ABC Oh in a post and YPD blue environment Sure like can I push the limits of a little more cursing a little more of this and it was a little restrictive DC is but you I don't think you ever did No, you probably are asking me cop that show gets canceled right he goes to FX and rescue me is almost a soft reboot of the job But with one table over him to let him do more which is effective. It's okay. Nine eleven had happened So rescuing is like more laden with like because that is the crucial immediate post 9 11 text Yes is rescue me which is a forgot And if you put it on now you would be like how was this aired without congressional hearings because it is everything about it It's problematic like that's the point, you know, they're all there firemen and they're up to no good But it was a crucial post 9 11 thing and I think that show ended on the 10th anniversary of 9 11 that became his plan He was like the story will end 10 years on from the day looking at not yet It aired on FX from July 21st 2004 to September 7th 2011 But I think you're right that that gets all of that out of his system Yeah, where he's like there's a show where I'm the main creative force and I'm the lead and now you nominations Yeah, you know, right. Yeah, he did all that and so he's like more comfortably than just still doing his leery supporting parts on the side Yeah, this is right.

Right. Right. And then they try to do the rock and roll one Which is the second worst hairdo he's ever had on camera. Yeah, that was tough.

That was tough Yeah, he's like he's still around I just love him in this because he he makes a lot of sense as a Divorced New York City cop obviously. It's a it's a role. He played multiple times in his career But he's just like doesn't lay it on like he's not doing the Dennis leery thing like that It's what he he's actually best at is just kind of being weary weary leery Can I call out my favorite elements of this performance and it's just the type of acting I love the fucking most I was on our friends Right, the story Jordan Fisher's podcast to the white sea about the con brothers is talking about behavioral acting My favorite shit in the world is when I'm moving whether it's the director's idea the actors are there or whatever Gives the characters a menial task to do that the actor plays as more important than the actual point of the scene Leery getting briefed by Frankie Faison walking through the museum being told about the case He's now gonna have to devote his life to well 90% of his energy is spent on trying to make his coffee with one hand right here He's in one hand got creamer stir stick And he's trying to get it the way he wants it one handedly while half listening. It's really good Yeah, he should want all four acting categories that year for this for this walk-in-talk He has the line of like some of the women in here wearing my salary.

I thought that was a good line. Yeah, it's really good This is another smart though. I think like material calculation I'm giving credit for this because it feels like the kind of thing we've heard him doing although who knows if it originated with Memory Dixon but in a world where it'd be very easy for audience members to be like why the fuck do I care about these two characters? Absurd levels of wealth unbelievably carefree and beautiful everything comes to them naturally It helps to have the leery constantly calling out all of this is ridiculous Yes, but also leery is still like totally insorceled by her neighbor's oh, which like how could you not be?

Yeah, I mean there's like there's the great scene when he's like driving her and he's like are you hungry? I know a pizza place and then like it's like so gently she doesn't even say anything and he's like pizza's not really your thing And then she has the iconic, you know, what's the matter lieutenant to leave you for a stockbroker? Urologist yeah, but they like and even throughout the movie he is the rest of the movie. He's like Irritated by her but also like both impressed by her because she's good at her job and also obviously She's like so beautiful and seductive like that scene after their first date where he gets the report And he's like oh she went home alone, you know, and there's just like this twinge of him still thinking So but like you need that you need the rational person in the movie to still be drawn to these people Yes, to make you feel okay about the fact that like okay there Doesn't matter but like they are appealing.

It's key because he's got to sort of be a It has to run in both directions Yes, we able to call out this entire movie is based on champagne problems And he also needs to acknowledge this is super fucking compelling Right, this is exciting and I want to watch this it would be funny if he was like picking up the phone and being like yes I understand your entire family was murdered, but I have to figure out who took the Monet Yes, the swears on paintings call out at the end Yeah, she goes like never care about this and he's like I worked on a fucking like yeah He's like it pissed me off at first, but now here are the real things right? Yeah, and I was working on those cases last week like my life is still yeah Yeah, he's of course he's a detective. He has many cases at the same time So okay, so yeah, they come in and yeah, Renee Russo arrives. She's wearing like a scarf like she's from on Dune or whatever Right, like it's like no, she's wearing fur Yes, this is later.

Yeah, listen like how do you want to do the outfit? So we just do outfit like Welcome to Amanda Dobbins his fashion corner So on this one like her first shot it starts with her shoe Which is a high-heeled Mary Jean and then it scans up her leg to where she's wearing a skirt with a slit Yes, that's right and a garter. Yeah, right and I like that eyes and a garter Which frankly I think is like gilding the lily a little bit Yeah, yeah, like the rest of the time she is so chic She is wearing clothes that like I imagined maybe like one day if I went to New York And I became the most powerful stylish woman in the world like this is how I would dress But there actually is no one powerful and stylish enough in the real world to pull this off like she just it's it's so stylish Lots of muted colors, but perfectly tailored coats chunky turtlenecks lots of turtlenecks It's it's fall. There's a fall vibe, right?

Sure like amazing jackets lots of different strands of pearls then of course there's all the bulgari jewelry that is gifted to her by the product placement and She looks so incredible and maybe it's just because I'm obsessed with this movie but there's like Nora Ephron and specifically you've got male has like a very like a late 90s Fashion thing that is like is now getting like imitated there lots of like bad Fashion like me like Meg Ryan is like a walking gap ad in that movie for that like time period But I kind of feel like the Renee Russo is the other half of like the late 90s It's like a very very specific Carolin Bissette Kennedy like on steroids Incredible look I just I love it when yeah, we just got the blazer sort of I don't know what is it like sort of like a Corset thing, you know like that she's wearing what she's in Yeah, I'm trying to think what else I mean the see through dress is obviously the sort of you know showstopper She has but that's that's pinned to the breast conversation which is still to come keep that on the corkboard right? I do think there's something to like she has this background as a model right like she's wearing the fuck out of those clothes Yeah, she knows how to enter a room in this movie with an outfit that would overcome a lot of other actresses That's true You would feel them collapse under the wing of what they were wearing or the pressure of how do I sell this like I I actually feel in this You know and can move in it, but even though her background is is model and is like fairly high fashion When she starts acting I feel like in part of this is probably the fact that she's not like a 20-something She's presented as like this is a grounded woman right? We're not having the love interest in this movie be 25 year old Sharon Stone It's Renee Russo. She is like a grown-up and she's centered right and she is set off against Anna Yes, who shows up in like you know mega dealies black leather like or faux leather tube dresses and high combat boots and all that sort of stuff Who is played by a supermodel like that Esther gets made us it's just a supermodel like that's all Despite the fact that Renee Russo is like a neat leave statues right and has that presence and everything I think a lot of the movies up until this point were playing against that and it's like putting her in more gap clothes Yeah, in like major league in the lethal weapons and tin cup and everything Yeah, this kind of feels like the first time you're like letting Renee be a close horse Which obviously reaches a pecs and rocking ball and gold following year of course But there is something about like if they had asked her to do this two years off of retiring from modeling She maybe would have been like I don't want I need to like yeah build my own identity.

It's so good Now you feel like we're walking into these rooms and being like I know how to fucking do this What's the name of the villain in tin cup group and played by Don John David Sims? That's right The only thing is David's always a really sure is um, so you know she works for insurance, right? She doesn't want the company doesn't want to pay a million bucks for a solo Monet So she's got to find it and she googles who likes Monet Thomas crown comes up bam She's got her man like that's pretty much the extent of her Terrogate one of the yes Decoy thieves. Yeah, very cool.

I like his civil rights and multiple languages and then figures out that they do in fact Speak English and she figures out the whole decoy these guys really like don't know each other didn't know what was going on Right up on the side of the road. Yeah a weird lack of planning or strata Man, she notices the thing in the bench that there are three legs in the video and two when they were walking around Which is the moment that finally presses leery beyond just her energy of fuck She's picking up on shit, but also they call out that her finders feed basically if she recovers a painting is 20% of the value It's not a five million buck but even still yes for a hundred million dollars You get the sense to little unspoken in the movie that this is probably far and away the biggest who she stands Like a pietta tear in the village No, but that's that's her vibe, you know Like competitive park in a marble step part right of Thomas crown that wants to do this heist for sport She's aware that she's potentially hooked the biggest fish of her career. Yeah, there's a point of pride in this So the cat and mouse game begins fairly quickly after this right It's not really a lot of like other characters in this film It's you know, it's Pearson Renee circling each other with like leery and Frankie face on like on the sidelines you got and Paul Fritz Weaver you got Paul you've got um Right, yeah, but like you know a thing this movie carries over from the original which is like don't make it an extended cat and mouse game She pins him almost immediately. Yeah, and then basically starts the attitude of like we both know what happened here Can we like skip the fucking right and it becomes this game of like we're just both not gonna say the thing directly They even pretty quickly Say it directly.

Yeah, like I'm trying to one is it exactly when he just starts speaking like I guess it's not on The first date no Is the first day for me on E yeah the first day is when they go to museum when she wants to be espresso Right and it's like comes pretty quickly after it so he gives a replacement painting right to which is just That's what's on that you haven't seen the Thomas crown of air in 1999 that painting is gonna be important So she meets him at that gala and like outright accuses him She's just like this is you and then he asks her on a date immediately for the next night And just tonight doesn't even attempt to deny everybody And so the first date he takes her to the museum and then to Chipriani and she does she steals his keys at the museum and Like passes them I'll put them on a digast at you normal stuff and someone picks them up and then yeah And they go to Chipriani and they do like backstory while the keys are being copied Which again Griffin I think you could cut that insert I just done it I maybe particularly specifically like key copying as a thing Okay, where it just works for me and I like watching it But but the espresso thing is such good like kind of fucking haze code flirtation Screenwriting that I think like most filmmakers when you can now say anything right don't realize the effectiveness of like having that sort of Coded flotation yeah of like and there's you believe that she would be more charmed by that than him saying like so We're going back to my place right right right right? In right well, do you want to stay awake for another five hours or not right? Yeah, I just find that very hot I agree super super hot. I would be clear fuck both of these people.

They're both right Yeah, absolutely either of them can take me to Chipriani anytime even though the food there is terrible And this is 1999. Yeah, but this is pretty good This is seany, you know, and it's just like it's I think it's still just like the one Chipriani in New York as opposed to however many like members clubs or whatever No, that's a good call. That's a good call. I also just want to say I would probably pity fucked in as leery I do it with less dust holes.

I would go to the Sorry in the room so you can be great. Yeah, you know, you could be like I never took any of bill bill picks as jokes I'd be like I know I know you didn't okay. Okay, so yes Catan mouse. Well, the next thing is he lets her take the painting back Basically, right after their first dinner Or is it after the first?

No, she breaks in I know but he's letting her do it. Yeah It's got the dogs playing poker underneath like it's you know, he's yeah He's one step ahead right it's after the first day because that's how she gets the keys and she slips them back on the And then she shows up in like her insane knee-high combat boots and they do the the 10 code digit break in and they and she finds like the button under the desk to You know, right? He's got a secret. Yeah, she'll the secret painting shelf hidden behind Yeah, but her read on the situation from very early on has been his motivation was you know Their questions.

Why is the guy who already owns a Monet going through the trouble of stealing a Monet and serving jail time? Right and her read is like he was tired of looking at that Monet Right and then yes He does this swap with the museum where to sort of make good and present a good public face He gives them a different painting from his own collection Yeah to fill the space while they wait to recover the stolen painting He knows nothing about right, but so the dogs under the like it's revealed that it's a fake painting because The guy is like you've got a ghost and she's supposed to be like Monet sometimes we used canvases But they're like did they reuse like dogs playing poker? That's tacky shit And so then I think that's when she puts on the dress and goes after that is the passionate Yeah, she's like I'm that son of a bitch cut to Renee Russo in a C3 dress at a black and white gala with a red Not quite a pashmina, but I'd like a long red silken shawl Um and she cuts in and they have an absolutely hilarious, but still sort of sexy dance Like it's ridiculous and the music is ridiculous Yeah, and they're also like, you know trying to like shimmy a lot and the cuts are like trying to make them look as cool as possible While they shimmy, but I don't know the best part though is like all of the extras Everyone else who's at this party is like doing like a very very like faithful Just like dance step back and forth So I decide you know and but so like when they finally make out When pierce president is like do you want to dance or do you want to dance? Do you want to dance?

That was the big trailer line And she like thinks about it for a long time I mean, and they're just like all these people shuffling at the edge of the frame and they're like dumpy black and white outfits Just being like do do do do do do do it's really really fun There is it feels like the muppet show at the dance sketch where the puppets are limited and how much they can dance together Yeah, it's really good her 10 second reaction shot. Oh my god. It's so long whether or not to kiss him Yeah, uh is what should have single handedly gotten her in this actress line up in 1999. I know it's a tough year She's on my bat, baby That's that fucking moment's incredible because like I related to uh in mission possible dead reckoning That's the end of the title and never had part one in the title What are you talking about your memory as false?

There's the moment when tunkers as a hilly outwell are you okay? And you watch 10 seconds of her processing Right. Yeah, yeah, and it's a similarly stunning like extended 10 seconds of actress playing a bunch of emotions only on her face Right, but that is very expressive Renee Russo barely moves a muscle and in 10 seconds You watch her go through seven cycles of thinking right about whether or not she should do it strategically and whether or not she wants to do it Also while like arched backwards Yes Like in a very like poat, you know because they had to set up the shot the camera is like up above The people are shuffling back and forth around her and she also keeps moving forward and increments And it's sort of stopping herself doing another gut check before she That's the power polies, you know, it's fucking incredible. Here's a question to the group When she shows up that night and that outfit.

Yeah, do you think what's driving her is the moment with the dogs now has really turned her on The level of guy she's playing with there's something exciting and thrilling to her of like i've met that match Versus this guy is good. I need to step up my game and playing the act of seducing him in order to nab him or both operating at equal levels at that moment Um, I I think she's just kind of like this is it's on now Like this is really he ups it to a level and she's like, okay. Yeah, like if this is how you want to play then This is like how we're gonna play but it's also an aphrodisiac, right? Yeah, of course, of course, but I think that's like their whole thing is like this is all one big turn onto that Right, you know, this is this is what they they're two people who really enjoy the hunt.

Yeah, um, yeah, exactly right They are it's it's less cat and mouse and more like cat and cat or whatever Yeah, yeah, exactly But you basically then roll into I think a lot of movies attempt to do and I think Often veer too far into ridiculousness or feeling like porni We are going to convey to you one week of these two characters having the most insane sex imaginable, right? They just cannot tear themselves off of each other and it's awesome. You believe it you do believe it. No, no, they're This is this is the most fun.

They're having it's like, you know, of course There's the element of like this can't last forever, right? She's chasing him blah blah, but it's the initial insane passionate sex marble steps Fiji water and then the martinique like adventure. Okay. Well, we skipped the glider Okay, between okay, because here's what happens.

Okay, so they do the glider And then they like land in some random field because that's what happens when you do glider Which is one of the many reasons I'm confused by gliders And so he calls of someone to pick them up And then they get on the plane and she says that island isn't Manhattan You know because instead of going back to the city they go to martinique But yeah, so the glider I guess the glider is supposed to be like the romance moment of this and also it is an homage to the original Um, it's an homage, right? My wife was like, what is this? Why would anyone get in one of these? Like what is my question like what's up with gliders?

Why are people doing that? I think that as someone who hates planes. Do you find gliders more or less terrifying? I mean, I'm not getting in a glider But like like I assumed the point of a glider as not not not someone who uses them Is that it's like without the noise and business of airplane engines.

You really feel like you're flying right like it's like You're not like you don't feel like you're being held up there by your You're swooping in the air and isn't this wonderful I kind of like respect gliders because I respect that planes and you know are designed to stay in the air right like which is something I think about when I'm afraid of flying is like they're aerodynamically supposed to be in the air And that's what a glider is right like stays in the air right? But no, I would not get in a glider. Jesus. I mean it stays in the air until it doesn't right?

That's true. Like that's one thing I would be thinking about Aren't you gliding down like isn't the point like because I mean that's what happened in the movie is that they just they glide for a while I had to tell you it's like when the bill conti score is like at its peak and also it's it's fallen New York, you know, don't you just love fallen New York? I want to send you some freshly sharpened pencils Um like it's it's really beautiful scenery. Yes, so they got that and that is but that's powerful As someone who relocated from the east coast and we don't have that kind of fall anymore Like I appreciate having that on like on like on camera another thing you've got male captures Yeah, it really does um but but this is maybe I mean somewhere within this sequence is when they start layering in windmills in my mind Yes, the person.

Yeah, is that correct? They pay auditory homage to it I love that in I think the nudity in the sex scene is very like hot and natural, but even hotter is the she's just walking around topless Stuff in the market. Yeah, so like that's powerful. You don't see that movies a lot.

It's like that plus the red hat Oh the hat this movie is important to me for many reasons and it has like all of the things that I love in a movie Um hot people heists in New York like I sense of fun filming on location Um, but I it's the martin eczine And that is like my dream vacation vacation home like that is it's perfect There's no one else around she unveils a closet of clothes that are cut just you know are gonna fit her Yeah, he starts cooking the perfect blue shutters the boog and via the view then she makes it down to the beach wearing a red hat A towel and and no top just absolute legend in the game Like the it's just and then they have that sexy dinner Yeah, where he's like do you want to open this unmarked paint like crate that has a painting in it And she puts it in the fire and then they just like stare at each other Just like that is some of the hottest shit That's pretty long not intended The extended him saying do you want to see it? You sure you don't want to see it? Can I show it to you? It's just as if he's like a fucking 15-year-old boy It's really at a party with me really good stuff, right?

But it's so much more elevated. I mean, this is the section of the movie where they catch feelings Yeah, we're like a fall from just being the hottest weekend in the world to oh fuck We care about this more than we ever want to admit to ourselves or each other She's realizing that he is getting ready for his escape and so she's confronted with like oh, he might you know Not be around much longer well and the great dialogue exchange where she kind of looks at him and like the game recognized Gameway and goes like man this must fucking hit every time you bring someone yeah And he just says I don't bring other people here in a way that is guileless that isn't like him trying to think it's a lie You don't think it's like just like him buttering her up Disney just announced that Moana 2 is gonna come out in November guys just FYI I'm sorry wait a second. I know I had to tell you I'm sorry That is quietly been made that is coming out within this calendar year that is correct That is correct. Thanksgiving Moana 2 an animated film And then there's also still live action Moana happening I mean who knows but you know did you see that Moana is still the most watch movie on all of streaming for like the six consecutive Yeah, I've contributed many of you of that.

Yeah, yeah the children they love it. I thought that I've still never seen Moana Wait, wait, you have a kid Yeah, no here that not to seem three movies in his life Would you like to know what they are singing the rain number one singing in the rain number two Mary Poppins number three top gun I mean he's better than it real all right My values are being handed down Amanda I'm completely the same the first thing I showed my kid was ponyo like I Also like try to show her things she likes but you are about to enter an era of them being able to be like that It's true. I got it I got a picture from him at the playground today and he was like holding a bluey something That some other kid had brought and I was like you don't know what blue he is But I know what it is you're gonna love Louie just you really Yes, Amanda and when you do start texting me about it, please We're obviously sesame Street family Yes, Snoopy and like Charlie Brown specials are good because Charlie Brown Christmas is like his favorite thing that he's ever seen I'm kind of that is a TV show and not a movie if you count that as a 30 minute movie then he's seen four films No TV special. Yeah, he also he's gotten into Snoopy through finding Snoopy in the vestibule, right?

That was the entry point. Yeah, well Thank you to Netflix who did send a sesame beat to our house and that sleeps with him every night Okay, so that was the entry point. Yeah, that was I don't know Moana too I thought the young woman whose name I can't remember who is a woman. I was it was very good in me girls She's a real talent.

She's great. I love her. Yeah, I just I just I feel like you back this up In fact, totally everyone I know with a child of a certain age is like the overlap in the Venn diagram of Movie my kid wants to watch a million times and movie I'm least annoyed by watching a million times Moana is right in the center Yeah, Moana is a really easy watch and is a great movie as we've discussed on this very podcast it had its own episode Wait, who's directing the sequel? I didn't even think of that probably not Muscarin Clemens.

No, I'd imagine not anyway So to honestly we're kind of close to the end after Martinique because what I guess what's left after that is the only part of Thomas Crown of air I don't like he offers her 10 million yeah to drop it away And go so like at that point they are fully acknowledging it like you know And they also had some like pillow talk when they're both totally naked in bed Which did you either of you guys watch season three of the morning show? No, have you heard about Jennifer Anderson's nude scene? Yes with a ham Yeah, it's not totally nude but basically they are they are ripping off that shot in Thomas Crown of air where she is like fully draped over Him in bed and flowing and it's like and it's well lit so that happens and they talk about thievery In bed and then he's like I'll give you 10 million To come away with me and she's like you know, but we'd be on the run and He like offers to teach her how to hide the line I was looking forward on the quotes pace, but there's the line has a response to that Yeah, where he's like we'd be on the run with resources. Yeah, we'd be fugitive's with means yes That makes a big yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah as soon as she comes back is when leery gives her the photos of him with Anna Right, which I just have no patience for because I just the thing in the thing in any movie where she's like What is this picture?

And he's like I can explain and she's like, you know what? You know what? I don't want you to explain and I'm leaving right now And he's like but I literally the words she's my daughter or the next words out of my mouth She's like no, no, no, I don't want to hear you know like it's so we have to wait 20 more minutes until he reveals Yes, this is my like adopted the art board I like the twist of her being the Yeah, it's it's it's a good time. Yeah, it's good It's the and the paternal pride of the guy smiling at his daughter's work The fucking great mark my goal is when they first talk about the photos there in the car And she's like Jimmy pull over like and he says Jimmy keep driving and I just really feel for Jimmy the driver in that It's like really what are you supposed to know?

Yeah? It's very uncomfortable. He eventually stops and he listens to her neighbors So which is I do think the right thing to do yeah, but I must be uncomfortable for Jimmy But I do think yeah, there's the unspoken code if you're a good private driver of like look at the woman says she wants to get out of the car You let her out of the car right? Yeah, she's out of the car like Central Park or whatever right?

Um, but I mean this is the frustrating part of like every rom-com where the two characters get in a fight about a lie and you're just like How long until they get back together? Yeah, he has the advantage of they need to say in each other's orbit because of the actual things happening Even if there's tension between them, but the original Thomas Crown it sets up this final gambit of what I was just gonna say in them in the movies Defense and in like Renee Russo's defense of these photos like the way that Thomas Crown is dancing with Anna at the gala before she Interrupts is like a little more intimate than I would want my perspective partner to be with his supermodel I would agree like there's a little bit more of a suggestion of something grown up there He's not a hundred percent vindicated To revive were weird between them. Yeah, and it's like that when she comes to show that the next time and she's just sitting in her little Two-top dress right on his bed. I like it's it's very confusing It's not a full sixth sense now like replay at my mind.

There was nowhere there and nothing was happening There's like a lot of nuzzling in that in basically every interaction they have which I again She's European, but I don't know but the thing I like about the art fordard twist is that it does show his strength of character That there's a reason why he won't explain it to Renee Russo the longer it goes on you're like if he has an excuse Why wouldn't he tell her right and it's because there's another person But no she goes right to Dennis Larry She's like he's gonna steal another painting and I have the pictures of the corners right it's time to go and the last and then we go right into the You know the McReat son of man bowler hat heist like the wonderful finalize to the film I was just gonna say the original film has this ending that I could not even Explain in detail, but basically Thomas Crowns set a morality trap for her where he tells her the plans of the next crime He's going to do and then sets this test of like if you try to stop me Then I'll know it's this and if you don't it's that and he's putting her in the position of either like you run away with me Or you catch me and then ends up to be a red herring and he like leaves her a message in a way that makes a clear that he does Love her, but he's running away so that she doesn't get tagged with his crime I watch this like not having seen it in a bit trying to remember how they shake out the ending where there's a similar thing of How does he not make her culpable right right right right? How could they possibly find a happy ending for each other that I do think this movie sets up well a very complicated way of being able Basically for the characters to have their cake and eat it too. Yes, that doesn't feel like a cheap and also feels like pretty exhilarating in the moment Like the final set piece with the McReat throwback and then all the people in bowler hats It's just it's like very funny and memorable and then cut to he sets off some smoke bombs or something I don't understand why he needs to set off the smoke bombs if he's just gonna hit the fire alarm But maybe the sprinklers aren't activated unless they're smoke anyway Yeah, and the he's jammed the track of the painting protection whatever so that with with with crown enterprises pencils Really great fresh sharpened pencils are they sharpened though? They look pretty fucking short for me So the sprinklers go off on the pizarro that he loaned to the museum and it turns out that the pizarro was a forgery in water paint done over the original Monet that he stole and so the water paint gets washed away by the sprinklers and The Monet is right there back on the wall He had returned it almost immediately after he stole it the layers of this are so much fun And in a way as we're saying it's more impressive that the movie is able to make you understand all this without any Wind up or like post-heist explanation But that you think the movie is presenting for you Oh, it's a reverse heist the thing he needs to do to dig himself out of this is to somehow get the painting back in its original spot without Anyone catching him which would then prove that he stole it in the first place Which already is a fun twist on a heist movie and then you realize that's never what actually was going on It was there the whole fucking time He just needs the theatrical circumstances to reveal what has been the case for a long time right which rules it's so good He does steal another painting of course, but she returns it so I guess no more Right and they don't even bother explaining how he stole it Yeah, which I think is is smart.

There was some notion of I think this sequence being longer and mature nervous like who cares at this point You're more invested in the fun and in the romance like that's also I was gonna say yeah It's his final I love you which is I'm giving you a painting that you can return so you can get the fee that I deprived you of Right from wrapping you up in my complicated right though She does say that her people don't represent that one so I think she's gonna find a way to get a commission off of that I guess so I mean my main issue is the way that she returns it is that she's like absolutely heartbroken At JFK and just hands it over to the like United Airlines lady And it's like can you just like give this multi-million dollar painting act? I buy a seat for this painting Yeah, and she's just like the very nice person at the ticketing gate at JFK is like sure But it won't get there till tomorrow and she's like that's fine And I'm like this painting does not need to go in JFK Lawson found out You know like we've all had experiences I don't have a lot of confidence that it's actually getting back It's like yeah, yeah my my read when she calls out that it's not one of the galleries that she presents or whatever That it's like if he stole another painting that would directly be under her purview He'd be making her more complicit right versus her just kind of being able to now be a good Samaritan Right and also now it's like not her problem She can go and like you know, it's her own kind of morality test of what she does right right We already talked about Dennis basically hand waving the whole thing perfectly like the great little bit of screenwriting But I love her reaction to Thomas on the plane is initially like screaming and throttling him Not just like really really good breezy great. Let's go, you know So can I ask now those paintings have been returned is he in the clear? Does he have to go to a non-extradition country like what you know great question probably in the clear I think trying to prove it would be it would be like what's the crime at a certain point like I think that's the real messaging of the final leery scene as much as it's about his character in their relationship He's also saying like these are victimless crimes right we're done for this guy's amusement Everything has now basically been reset to the way it needs to like if I want to point a gun at anyone in this movie But no one does like the worst crime he commits is like breaking the Mets air conditioning system Which is right of him, but you know that that's not it I think but also like all the game pieces are reset on the board now So you're really gonna waste like taxpayer dollars prosecuting and investigating right to perfectly horny people Yeah, no, it's what I like about that scene where he's like this is a waste of my time Right, right?

Like in the like in the context of the movie It's a very elegant way of making everyone feel okay about rooting who they're rooting for and like and making you feel okay You're not that worried about the stakes because like I'm not it's just it's gonna be fine But I'm just like are they on the run now? I don't you know like does he have access to all the assets like maybe it's just a New York thing and It's people I can care if they are on the run It is a very lush run that they're like they can go to many countries probably and enjoy a fine life My my read is that the coo he pulled off is at the end result is they don't need to be on the run right right? Maybe they don't want to flaunt They are still like chasing down the fordure right you know So it's like and Dennis Lee even is kind of just like I mean we have to you know I'll do what they tell me we have to like follow these things He's like you didn't think we just gave up on the fordure but yeah It's like it doesn't and the museum guys pretty pissed off Yeah, you know like they shut down the impressionist wing so that he can't just walk in and put it back because they have been insulted You know so I like I don't know if the museum is gonna drop it necessarily because it doesn't set a good example, right? It's a terrible example I'd say it's a terrible example But I also I imagine it's a little bit like a lost dog poster sure that adds like no questions asked underneath right You know what in the greater good of the thing even if we know that you're like running a con on us And we're paying you money to give back what you stole Yeah, we'd rather just have everything where it's supposed to be no harm no foul fair enough Yeah But it's also it's like the it's the fugitives with resources line right the part of it too is like this guy is so high level in society So rich yeah that like normal laws kind of don't apply to him right as long as there are no loose ends to what he did Right everyone's just gonna go like whatever yeah, yeah, I mean he plays by a different set of rules yeah Yeah, I do of course want to know they of course did not shoot in the Met because the Met doesn't want that So they built the Met but a lot of location stuff in this movie that is very nice Didn't they use the New York Public Library for like some of the the exteriors sure yeah Or that I think that they use the Met for the exteriors But maybe some like the lobby stairwell stuff makes like yeah, they're really impressed when he walks in and it's like let's play ball You know it's like that isn't a set right like that's that's a lot of stone work.

I don't know you're right I mean I don't know Marvel staircases for well. Yeah, what's that apartment of his yeah exactly but That Monet is not at the Met you have to go to Cardiff to see it maybe one day Well, you should play the box office game Griffin is anything else. Can I just say I just say one thing yes, so he pulls it off He does yeah, it pains me to have to admit this But I don't think that if it were me that I would be able to pull it off normally you can Right right and test the watch in a nice movie where's or crime movie where things go wrong and be like I could you could have navigated that His famous line is within island the movie would end with me owning an island This is very big and mature of Ben to admit that the movie heist is better than what he could pull off it It's very very clever right oh, yeah, absolutely and it requires a level of art history knowledge and I don't think I could fit under that gate So, you know, right I'm impressed. I have to okay.

It's very big of you man. This as we said comes out Sleep success a super success to the extent that it totally masks the odor of 13 warrior coming out in the same month and the experience is so good I feel like material and talks about this as being his favorite of his movies and definitely feels like in an alternate universe This is the career transition point where the next phase of his career is making these types of high-class adult thrillers Right and instead he goes well this works So well, why don't I re try to replicate the same circumstances of this movie as much as I can We up with MGM for another Norman Jewison remake and he does two disastrous effects But this movie comes out on the box office game weekend does it not David does it comes out the same weekend August 1999 as what's the film Griffin the sixth sense the sixth sense which is what Box office game as a segment on our podcast covering six cents very early on where I tried to see if I could guess what else opened Because I remember it being this multi-car pile up weekend right where a bunch of stuff went out and everything kind of Underperformed other than six cents. Yeah, what's number three? Well, no Thomas crown is opening number four It opened to fourteen million dollars, but it legged out to seventy one twenty five worldwide It was a sleeper hit it's the only one that actually held on because the other I know these are all out of the five The other movies that bomb this weekend are mystery men iron giant dick.

Yes. Oh deck bombing hard number two would have been a holdover from July number two has been in the It's yeah, it's been a for a month. What's the movie is it is it Blair Witch a Blair Witch Project? Yeah, all right I guess movies of the year obviously and another horror film people are having some summer horror with six cents and Blair Witch Project But number three is a movie that I saw in theaters Romantic comedy Amanda you may have seen in theaters Star driven is it a movie David with the most successful joke in the history of cinema the most successful line reading I've ever seen delivered in a movie theater.

Yes, right right Yep, Hector, Elizan is FedEx joke. Of course is what I'm referring to He has never to this day seen a warmer reaction to anything from Insane when he made that joke. Oh, yeah, I'm told the joke again It's you know when she does the runaway bride right like she finally does it She you're not sure she's gonna do it and then she runs away and jumps on to a FedEx truck and I think Jolie Fisher No, Rita Wilson. Sorry not Jolie Fisher says where's she going and Elizondo says I don't know but she'll be there by 1030 tomorrow and The audience right insane.

Do you like runaway bride Amanda? No, not really Okay, but I mean you're right that I saw it this opening. Oh, yeah when in 99 does not even he'll come out 99 came out not even a little earlier, right? Oh, well, I think not in Hill is May and runway brides end of July.

Yeah, correct Not even in the box office anymore root it had its run. It had its run So number three run away bride number four Thomas crown number five Ben. We were just talking about this movie Oh my god, you love the song from it to of you. Yeah, talk about this without me.

No, you were there to you were there to The rapper is in the film and he has a song attached to this film. Oh, I Griffin in bed. Yes, of course It's a song that's been sort of lodged in my brain. Oh, it's kind of in your head like a shark spin Sort of at the top of my head Where is the shark spin?

His head looks like a shark spin. How does like a shark spin? My hat. Sorry.

Sorry. I don't have a line committed to memory the same extent you do Yeah, so deep blue sea. I don't know where you are deep blue sea Amanda if you're anywhere Is that the one where is it? Like very dramatically.

I mean, that's right. Yeah Um, number six is mystery men number seven inspector gadget rebooted spectra gadget with curtain Newman Number eight the haunting number nine knew this week the iron giant completely tanking Number 10 American pie And dick doesn't even make the tent dig Is opening number 12 behind the 12th the weekend of the phantom menace brutal pretty brutal great movie dick Very funny movie and and one more exciting box office weekend's well time. We've done it before Will we do it again? We might be done.

This is the good question I any filmmaker bring us back to this weekend. This might be the final time to talk about Uh, it's a fuck. Uh, he also did the craft and he did hamlet to Andrew Fleming Andrew Fleming Yeah, maybe we'll do an Andrew Fleming series. Yeah, I don't know whether it's throw him on a bracket I believe that's their black texture.

Yeah, we could do a one one episode kenka. Oh sure series we could for mystery man But yeah, we're probably one would you blair which on patreon? It's not new this week not new. I'm talking about new years this week So, you know, it's a great movie So good that as I said michurin and wrote a sequel in prison called Thomas crown and the missing lioness So let's let's let's get that out a little can we?

All right, let's also call out quickly in like I think 2007 when michurin is at a low close to getting sentence. Yes, um mg I'm announced we're doing a Thomas crown affairs sequel. We've hired paul verhoeven. Yep to direct with pierce returning the female lead We're going to cast either charlie's there on our angelina jolee with the tea people in fox and it was a remake of tepke Yeah, they were doing it diehard style taking another Yeah, and turning it into a Thomas crown sequel.

I do kind of feel that that is pierce turning on someone at a low moment You know, I that's that's tough, but also As you guys will get into michurin and sort of the you know, he has some choices I don't know how you have this movie in this way and not bring Renee back. I agree That's a great It was Yeah, but the michur the verhoeven up it was exciting as the missing lioness. Yes, that's what it was called Um, it was about some lioness statues from 1100 b.c apparently, but you know some kind of legend Yes, I so I assume it's them stealing them or something I don't know or maybe someone else told them and then they have to help find it Or they're trying to find it out with them. It's sort of like a oceans 12 What's the the night fox situation, you know where you got to?

High star. Yeah, that could be fun. We should note of course that michael b jordan supposedly was gonna reboot right. Yeah, this is But he's in a similar position to pierce where it's like I have a franchise at mgm Right they want to keep me in house.

What do we have the right suit that we could refit around you? Right that keeps They keep making it sound like every year begins with this is the year the michael b jordan tom is finally gonna go into production Yeah, and it's been that for seven or eight years, but they seem Out of me that it's actually gonna happen this year. Okay, I believe we'll see I like michael b jordan I just him doing something like that successfully would be exciting because he hasn't really done that successfully I will like michael bjorn a lot and I think he has a lot of charm and charisma um And I guess you know they could read the nice thing about this tom's crown affair is that he is like debonair in a way that is like Kind of like bond but actually more fitted to top to pierce brasman's vibe than bond is so, you know I'm sure they can fit it to michael bjordans vibe That said, I don't know if I think he's like really good at acting so that is tough It's I wonder if he can how many movies does he have like sexual charisma and you know and it's like that's gonna be crucial to a tamas crown But should he be expressing that more often his Reasons he should live his career as if he can like if he can he should and I'd like him to Um, amanda. Thank you so much for doing.

Yes. Thank you so much for having me a lot of your honor Such a fan of your work. Thank you so much. I'm such a fan of blink check I'm really excited to be here also.

Thank you as always for answering my texts about um, and made it films We were giving you some tips on what was gonna get nominated. Yeah, and what I should pick whenever I need you guys You're right there. It's like a phone of friends situation I just want to call out if you revisit the text thread and scroll or I called out robot dreams A surprise you did and david shot it down as like that's some lights camera jacks and shit Okay, you see shit, uh, but now people like it people like it. I forget what what turtles got snubbed What got snubbed in the end was it?

I mean, what's again revisit the text or I said there's no way they will let themselves nominate turtles in spite of her saying Yeah, well, you know, okay, and you're right. That was my stance. It's just like the same space It seems like a perfectly solid five except for elemental Uh, anyway, you know that was good. No, no, I have maybe been setting up the perfect ice in this episode Which is I have another podcast record that I need to get to a cross town So I need to exit the studio as quickly as possible.

I'm now assigning ben and david with doing the outro All right, I'll do it. Uh, okay. Um, thank you all for listening Please remember to rate or if you subscribe Thank you to lay Montgomery in the great and every canal for a theme song uh joe boner pat rentals for artwork ajmkeen and uh Alex baren check out the reddit for real nerdy shit. Why do we keep clicking that?

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