The Trinity Murders

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Hailey. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries, Tales from Appalachia. Hi everybody. Hello, Hailey's drinking red wine.

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This is just a chicken. That's crass top out of the beans. Yeah. We didn't let her have any beans tonight.

No, I do have a green bean sometimes. I can't write it out again. Really? I'm throwing the water out of the salt in there.

I am obsessed with fresh cut green beans. I love green beans. I love those suckers. Green beans, whole kernel corn.

They'll also do that with the corn out the can. I love corn out the can. Oh, wow. You eat a lot of cans.

They're straight out the can. They're straight out the can. Oh, and they have whole potatoes. Like the little like, yeah, I've put it in.

They're really good. Also in a can. Hey, sometimes I'll dump those out into a like, glass container. So I don't eat them out of the can at work.

Cause I'm just kind of freaks people out sometimes. Yeah, that's like, oh man, she's in poverty mode. She's just lost it. Totally.

Yeah, yeah. Which I mean, it's May and education if you're not aware. Please don't serve me that. We're dying.

We're on fire. I'm working mental health. We're always dying. We're always on fire.

Yeah, usually in education we get like maybe a week at the beginning of the year where everybody's figuring it out and we're okay. This school year, nope. We hit the ground running with a bang. Well, I mean, it's apropos for a podcaster.

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Usually I drink local. I know. But this is an espresso bean infused chocolate peanut butter porter. And I'm going to tell you, I like it.

Was it from Aldi? No, it was from the local grocery store, not Aldi. The expensive grocery store. The expensive grocery store.

Kind of similar to the Publix. But yeah, I went there and decided, you know what, I'm going best. Do you know what? And I did and you know what?

I like the good one. Yeah, it's hard when we're from Western North Carolina to not drink local beer because there's so many breweries in Western North Carolina. On every corner. Like everywhere.

I mean, I'm surrounded by breweries. I mean, it's like, there's a ton in like an Asheville and the Asheville area. But like even like all the surrounding counties. There's probably a ton.

Yeah, I mean, it almost feels like I'm a trader or something. That's a little, I know. Oh, I know. So religious right there.

Oh, well, Hayley, would you like to hear stories? Sure. Okay. After tooth.

Stop it. I don't know if you all remember, but in the last episode, Hayley threatened to take all my wisdom to the car of priors. Not the retin, I all heard. To me, but look, right.

Usually just sit in your garage and I'll pull it out. Oh yeah. Are you doing that? Okay.

Sit next to the car while you pull out my check-in. No, no, thank you. Okay. So Hayley, this story is the Trinity murders, which I had never heard the story before.

Trinity as in like three or? You'll see. Okay. We'll see where this is called Trinity.

Okay. So today's story takes us to September of 1984. The number one song was Let's Go Crazy by Prince and the Revolution. Oh, yes I know.

Oh no, let's go. Let's go crazy. It's a great one. Prince.

Me too. The number one show on television was Dynasty. My parents watched a lot of dice. Now I personally like Dallas better than Dynasty.

I've never seen any of them. I have no idea what I know. I know what they are, but I've never seen anything. Dynasty was all about very rich family.

Yeah. There was a lot of drama. People got slapped and pushed in pools. It's very dramatic.

Anyway, on September 20th of that year, a car bomb exploded in a parking lot of US embassy annex in Beirut, where 23 people were killed. The perpetrators were an Islamic militant group known as Islamic Jihad Organization. Yes. Wow.

So that's what was going on in the US. That's what was going on internationally. Let's talk about what was going on in Louisville, Kentucky. Louisville.

Louisville. I'm going to say, who's this Louisville? Louisville. I didn't even say it in English.

Louisville. How did you say it? Louisville. Louisville.

Louisville. I've heard Louisville. Oh my gosh. Louisville.

Oh my gosh. No. All right. Well, all right.

So we're in Louisville, Kentucky. We're best friends, Richard Stevenson and Scott Nelson. We're attending high school together at Trinity High. That's where we get it.

That's where we get it. Right. Where they're three of them? Two boys.

Yeah, but like three schools. So that's Trinity. Oh, no. Okay.

No. I think it was just what it was. Yeah. All right.

I'm sorry to disappoint you. All right. So the boys were both 17 years old and seniors. Richard was described by his teachers as hard-working, quiet, and introverted.

Scott was described as happy, go lucky, but also somewhat introverted and quiet. And so while in high school, they were both enrolled at the local tech school part-time. Oh, good school. Yeah.

So probably enrollment there. Right. So probably being able to graduate and already be ready to go into a job. You know, having those college credits.

So on the night of September 29th, which was a Saturday, the two friends decided to check out a football game. Their school, Trinity High, was playing against their rivals, DuPont Manuel High at DuPont Stadium. Mm. Yeah.

That's like a good high school football rivalry. Right. That's always fun. So Richard and Scott had never been to DuPont's campus and on their way got lost.

They were relatively new drivers and back in 84, there weren't GPS devices to help them. So I assume they probably didn't even have a map in their car. I can't imagine. Not having a GPS device.

Yeah. I get lost. Like, I would have been a nightmare. I would have had to buy the Atlas.

Just deal with it. She probably would have had a globe in her car for the name. Yeah. I hope that she could.

I mean, I have to put in directions, sometimes still coming to Holly's house. Are you kidding? I haven't the last, the last time I came out, I guess because I went the wrong way. Oh my goodness.

I missed my exit and I was like, I'm done. Back in 95, we traveled to Minnesota to see my aunt. And we always use an Atlas. I mean, that was our go-to.

We kept it in the car. But again, you know, with Atlas's, often, at least in my experience of that generation, we had it for travel. And that's usually when we pulled it out, not local things. So I could see the boys not having it in their car because they weren't traveling.

Right. I remember having them in the car when I was little, like my parents using them. And then I remember when my mom, we would travel and like the new thing was that she would print the map quest out. Yes.

I did that as a team. And then we would put them in the, and I would be in charge of the map quest maps. And it was a lot. Me too.

And I had a hard time. It took me a while to let go of the printed out directions. But why don't you go GPS or just don't go back. Yeah.

Yeah. So fearing they would miss the game, they pulled over at a seafood restaurant called Moby Dix. Classic, isn't it? Moby Dix was located on the corner of Logan and Oak Street in Louisville.

Mm-hmm. That was better. Thank you. Moby Dix is still an operation where you can dine in or take out.

But they serve some solid mountain fish. Probably so. I mean, you just really never know. What quality fish you can get in the mountains.

Yeah. It's so dinnamous. It's rapping out sometimes. Exactly.

So Richard and Scott go into the restaurant and ask for directions. The decision to stop at this restaurant when unknowingly seal their fates. Aww. When the boys asked for directions, two patrons dining at the restaurant asserted that they knew exactly where the high school stadium was.

And they would be more than happy to show them. Okay. They did ask however if the boys would be willing to give them a ride in exchange for their help. No.

It's 84. I know. The boys happily agreed, were leaves that they would be able to make a time. Okay.

But how did those guys get to the restaurant in? I don't know. They were just at the, maybe they walked. They were at the restaurant and ordering.

So they were up at the counter. And this is the type of restaurant. So just to set the tone and help you understand. This is the type of restaurant where you order the front.

So kind of almost fast food style. And then they bring it to you, but it's not like a waiter or waitress waiting on you. Right. You know, so it can be a dining or a takeout scenario.

And it was back then too. So they were standing up there at the counter ordering. And the boys come in asking for directions. So the boys have said, oh my gosh, yes, this would be so great.

If you show us where this is, sure, we'll give you a ride. No problem. But as the four were walking out of the restaurant and into the parking lot, the two men later identified as Victor Taylor and his cousin George Wade pulled a gun out and ushered the boys to their car. Two witnesses who had been in line behind Victor and George while ordering food saw the teens being forced into their blue daughtson at gunpoint.

The witnesses got into their car and attempted to follow the boys car, but lost them when they swiftly turned onto a side street. It was reported that one of the teens was driving with the other in the passenger seat and the two suspects in the back. Can you imagine how terrified they would be? No.

I just, I can't. No. I do, I mean, not this is the same thing, but I do the things sometimes where I like get paranoid there's somebody in my back seat, even though I like religiously check my back seat. Yeah.

So make sure there's always important to do. I'm bad about locking my car. I'll be honest. I always talk to my car.

I'm not convinced it's locked right now. Well, I'm going to get a community. I know. I think it's probably fine.

Randy will save you. He will come in. I can make it to Randy. I'll be fine.

He will save your life no problem. Yes. Yes. So yeah, it's absolutely terrifying.

So you don't really know what's going to happen, where they're going to take you. The boys were being directed by Victor and George as to where to drive. When they came to the 300 block of our Delacorte near male high school, this is another high school, Victor directed them to stop the car. And the boys did what they were told.

This is an area only a mile from DuPont High School, where they were originally trying to get to in the first place. In this area where they were was somewhat secluded and hidden. Victor and George told the boys that they merely wanted to rob them. And if they cooperated with everything they said, then the boys would be all right.

Later it was determined that Victor and George have far more sinister plans. And they told the boys this in order to gain their cooperation, so the boys would not fight back. If I was heard that thing, like, yeah, well, I'll never let them take you to a second location. Whatever is happening, you are more likely to survive if you don't go to a second location.

Like if you have any, like, take your chances on being- Why they can't make Kaylee meet me here. Like, take your chances on being shot or stabbed or whatever. In where you started, don't let them- And fight like hell. Make sure like wherever you are, everybody hears you, sees you make a commotion.

And if for some awful reason you're not able to, you know, prevent being put in a vehicle or whatever, like leave- Or pieces of, you know, like bite the seat. So leave your DNA, pull some hair out or, you know, spit, whatever. I mean, because at that point it's- If you're not gonna survive, you wanna make sure that somebody knows- That you were there. That you were there.

Which is a terrible thing to have to think about. It's horrible. But especially for women, we think about it all the time. Yes.

All the time. Yeah. So, things quickly changed. The boys were ordered to remove all of their clothing and hand over all of their possessions to the men.

The boys did as they were told, slowly and fearfully, removing each item of clothing and handing them all over, along with all of their valuables. Okay, so this is the point where the crime turns from robbery to something else. And before I go there, I wanna give a trigger warning that we're gonna be talking about sexual assault. So please take care of yourselves, jump past this part if you need to.

Can I? No. Okay. Once the boys had removed all of their clothing, Victor grabbed Scott, who was in the passenger seat, and placed him in the back with him.

This is where he proceeded to sodomize him, holding the gun on Richard, Victor demanded that he drive and drop off George, his cousin, on the side street. George claims later in testimony that he didn't want to have anything to do with harming the boys and asked to be dropped off on the sidewalk, basically. This would be the last time that George would see Richard and Scott alive. Victor demanded that they drive down the street and stop the car.

Victor asked them to get out of the car and put the trigger to each of their temples. First he shot Richard, and then he shot Scott. After the shooting, Victor walked the short distance to meet up with George. The two walked off into the night with their stolen treasures.

Hours later, in the early morning of September 30th, a patrolman was doing his rounds as he drove past a blue Daughtson hidden in the woods off the road. And this was pretty unusual, just as he had a abandoned car on the side of the road like that. So he called in the tag to see if it was stolen, maybe someone ditched it. Meanwhile, this is the most horrific part.

We're adding to the radius. Meanwhile, Scott's mom, she had a police scanner. And she overheard her son's license plate being read over the police scanner and called the sheriff's department to see why were they asking about her son's car. So kind of back to the police at the scene, the dishpatcher radioed back that the car had not been stolen at all, feeling that something was wrong.

The officer called her backup and when another policeman arrived, the two searched the area. At 3.05 a.m., the police officers found the naked and bound bodies of two teenage boys, later identified by their families as Richard Stevenson and Scott Nelson. Can you imagine having a daily denification? And I'll tell you who did that in just a few minutes, but the amount of terror these boys went through in a relatively short amount of time.

Yeah. The police came to the Nelson home stating that two bodies had been found that might be the description of Richard and Scott. Scott's mother provided the police with photos of the boys, and Scott's dad went to the morgue later that morning and identified both of them. I didn't know.

What I didn't know about you? Why am I dead? I don't know. It was like, I think I could make myself do it, like for your family, like I could myself do it.

But like for my own family, I don't think I could do that. I mean, probably for your family, I'd be willing to go in and then say, Yeah, that's our story. That's our story. That's our story.

That's our story. That's our story. But I just think how horrific that would be. And oftentimes it is, family goes and does that.

And I just think, I don't know if I could live with that image. Oh no. You know. And like I wouldn't want like I wouldn't want a family to have to do that.

Like if there's somebody else that's close, that's not, you know, a media family. So my aunt died in a really horrific car accident in 1984, ironically about a month after this. And her, my grandfather, her dad had to go and identify her along with my great uncle. And it's like just being stuck with that image.

And from what I understand, it was very gruesome. Yeah. Your dad was actually on the scene. He was.

He was the EMS. You was the paramedic on the scene. Yeah. So yeah, just horrific.

And I can't think about how that would torture you and just be really difficult. It's a weird way we're connected. Yeah. Getting over it.

Yeah. Yeah. We found this out like way later. And probably two years ago, we found this out.

Which is just real. Super crazy. Yeah. Super crazy.

Yeah. Totally. But anyway. So Richard's family had asked the people to remember him by donating to the Trinity High School Scholarship Fund.

So really nice way to commemorate their son's life. At the scene, investigators were able to obtain both blood and hair samples. And again, it's 1984. So DNA is not a thing.

Right. That in a crawl space, just a random crawl space, they found Scott's pants and a beige shirt. Not belonging to either of the boys was found several miles from the crime scene. Later, a witness who saw Victor forcing the boys into the car at Moby Dix, the one who followed them, testified that he saw Victor wearing a beige shirt, which also connected it.

Bullets were found at the scene and upon forensic testing were said to be from a 350 Magnum with a hollow semi-jacketed point bullet. That's a, I'm just wondering if I'm wrong, but I feel that's a big bullet, right? Yeah. And very pointed.

Yeah. Semi-jacketed. Yeah. Like that causes a lot of damage.

Right. I mean, I think that you could probably kill a bear with that. Like that seems... I'm working on Google before people are like, oh my god, they don't have anything.

You are correct. We know nothing. What does it call? No, given that.

A 350 Magnum with a hollow semi-jacketed point bullet. Hollow? Stimae? Oh, we say it's so different.

Jacketed? Jacketed? Jacketed? Jacketed?

Point bullets. Images. Okay, yeah. The pretty, yeah, big bullet.

In my knowledge of bullets, it feels like a big bullet. And it was pressed to their temple, the gun. So this tells you that the space between Victor, the alleged murder, and the voice was not very far. So I mean, really, they were shot at point blank range.

Right. The likelihood of them surviving would have been zero. Yeah, like that was it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So as police went through the car, they also found the word FAG, as it had been written on the steering wheel of the car. Again, protect yourself.

I apologize for saying that word, but it was what was written. So police wondered if this had been some kind of hate crime. They also found Seaman and Scott's anal cavity, proving that he had in fact been raped. And that's the thing that's interesting to me that Scott was the one who was attacked.

I don't know if it was just, I don't really know. Yeah. After the story of the crime was released to the media, along with a $12,000 reward for the arrest and conviction of the two men, many witnesses came forward, including the two restaurant patrons who saw the boys being forced into the car gunpoint. Something to note here is that the two witnesses were well aware of the $12,000 reward.

So just keep that in mind. The witnesses gave a good description of each man, which eventually led to the initial arrest of George Ward. Okay. And George, you know, was the one who had been dropped off prior to the killings.

Okay. So George was taken into custody on October 3, 1984, four days after the crime and wasn't interrogated. Initially, George claimed he was innocent. He didn't know what they were talking about, but an hour later, he waved his rights to a lawyer and began talking to detectives.

He was interviewed for about six hours. He was even given a polygraph test, which he failed. Police interviewed him, but George denied being involved with the murders. He said he was dropped off down the road and consistently said this.

This was pretty hard for police to believe because it made sense. It made no sense to them, I should say, that he would be dropped off and then they would drive back and commit the crime. Yeah. Like this is a weird chain of events there.

Exactly. George did agree to be part of a lineup and one of the witnesses who saw him at the restaurant came to the jail to identify. And George was in fact identified in the lineup and changed his initial statement, saying that, okay, yes, he was with Victor, but he didn't kill the boys. Okay.

He signed a statement and gave it to police. And he also gave the last known addresses where Victor had been living at his mother's house and his sister's house. So off and on at two different residences. Gotcha.

While they couldn't initially find Victor, they did have his cousin Eugene in custody for the rape and sodomy of Eugene's girlfriend. So it seems to be a family. This is a family thing thing. Yeah.

Eugene said that he saw Victor and George driving the car with the boys in the back. He also stated that he saw Victor with a Trinity High School duffel bag and jeans with orange stitching that did not belong to Victor. He also saw a watch, a ring, a lead Zeppelin can set and fire crackers. Okay.

None of which belongs to Victor. Great. All of which can be trail back to the boys. Yeah.

Eugene also claimed that Victor asked his sister if she had heard anything on the news about two white boys being shot. And this was hours after the crime. He also claims that George and Victor split $100 between them and that Victor traded his sister a gun for cash. Charges against Eugene were dropped, but later he testified at George and Victor's trial.

And he was subsequently arrested and did a year in prison for other crimes. Yeah. Sounds right. It should be more.

At Victor's family's home, they found a cassette and a radio reader's digest that belonged to one of the boys. They also found a silver clip with beads and feathers that was on the window visor of the car. They discovered a beige pair of shoes that belonged to Scott. Victor gave Richard's school jacket to his girlfriend as a gift.

Oh, gross. Isn't that disgusting? I'm not small. Oh.

Ah. So the trials were set to start, but they worried that in the county they were having them that it wouldn't be a fair trial. So they actually moved it to Fayette County in early 1986. And George was given life in prison for his role.

Okay. So easy, easy, easy, done. Yeah, we're just done. Get out of here.

Even though he said I wasn't a part of it. Whatever you were there. You were still convicted. Yeah.

Exactly. Victor wanted a change of venue because he was worried since George got a life sentence that the jury in the county would quote unquote take it out on him and give him the death penalty. You don't say. Take it out on him.

I mean, come on. I don't know what he deserves. Exactly. Victor's trial lasted, get this 13 weeks.

That is a very long trial. And afterwards, he was convicted of two counts of first-screen murder, robbery, kidnapping, and one count of first-degree sodomy. Subsequently, he was sentenced to death. Absolutely.

On May 23, 1986. So right around two years after the crime, almost years. Several years later, George discovered that he wouldn't be given parole. I don't know why.

How did he not know? He did not pay attention to the same crime. Clearly not. So he suddenly changed his statement saying, oh no, no, no, no.

Victor's not even involved. We're not even involved with this case. What are you kidding, right? This case gets really convoluted.

So Victor used this as a means to try and get a new trial. Saying, I mean, you know, he's recanting now. And I've always proclaimed my innocence. So you need to give me a new trial because I need to get out.

Well, fortunately, the court denied this and so on. And obviously, no DNA testing could be performed on the sperm that was found in Scott's body because there wasn't enough of it. And back then, all they had was blood testing. Yeah.

And obviously, his underwear had been lost. DNA evidence, anything that had been preserved was lost. So there was nothing to test. So that's really frustrating.

So in 2008, after Victor appealed again for another trial, he was denied with the assistant Commonwealth attorney at the time stating the Commonwealth, and this is a quote, the Commonwealth is confident that we got the right person. We got a valid conviction. And there would be no more because part of Victor was kept saying, well, you know, you don't have any DNA to prove that it was me. You don't have anything necessarily everything is circumstantial.

You know, it's two witnesses who said that we're the guys. How do you know this? But several of the things that backed up would be. Right.

And you've found things that belong to them that were going on at night in your position. And spent some of theirs is like, well, I got that off of a guy or I stole. We got it from somebody exactly. Well, then who did you get it from?

Right. You know, oh, you suddenly don't know. Some random guy. Exactly.

So I'm just handed you this stuff. Yeah, and said, oh, here you go. And it's things like these would be more trophy items. They're not valuable things.

No, like a duffel bag. Who the hell cares about a duffel bag? That's a plunk of sex. Yeah.

I mean, unless you're a huge fan, which I couldn't imagine they would be like, why exactly? So all of that fell flat. Currently, George is serving his life sentence at the LaGrange, Kentucky state reformatory. And this is a maximum security facility.

I do. Victor is on death row awaiting execution at the Kentucky state penitentiary in Eddyville or Edneyville, Kentucky. You all can help me out. Yeah.

That one. Yeah. Victor has continued his appeals. I just, I'm sure he has.

At what point are you just going to be like, come on? I know. It's like, when do you like take accountability for your actions? Apparently for him, never.

Never. So, but fortunately, all of his appeals have been unsuccessful and his conviction has always been upheld. He last went to the appeals court in 2021 to two years ago, where again, he was denied. Good.

So, Attorney General Cameron stated, and this is a quote, 37 years ago, family's friends and the entire Louisville community sustained a deep loss when two Trinity high school students were brutally murdered. While the sixth circuit ruling does not lessen the pain for the victim's family, we hope that they have found solace in knowing that Taylor's conviction was upheld. Our office is committed to seeing that justice is done and the sentence imposed by the judge on the recommendation of Kentucky jurors is carried out. And I am grateful to Assistant Attorney General Matthew Krigel and Solicitor General Trad Meredith for their work in this case.

End quote. So, there's no data of execution yet for Victor. But fun fact, Kayleigh, with this piece up. The last, you love those.

The last person executed in Kentucky was a man by the name of Marco Allen Chapman, and that was in November of 2008. So, it's been almost 15 years since anyone was put to death in Kentucky. Yeah, that's a big deal when they actually do it. I mean, most people die on, I mean, die on death row, but like, most people aren't executed.

Exactly. Like, most people die on death row. I don't say. I mean, they will die of natural causes.

Exactly. And that's, you know, at this point, Victor is 72 years old, and he has served nearly 40 years in prison for this crime. So, there is a very high likelihood that he's just going to die in prison before he will ever be, you know, lethally injected. And a weird factoid is that in 2020, there was a film about men on death row.

Victor was in it. Yeah. So, I can't imagine, you know, again, being like a Richard and Scott's families, hearing or even seeing any kind of publicity in this way for this man, you know, because anything that he said is either probably a lie or very one-sided and doesn't give, you know. I mean, like, I love a true crime documentary, much as a next person.

And like, I can even get behind like, interview people who are on death row that are like, talking about their crime, but like, taking accountability for it, maybe repenting a little bit, like that kind of thing. Finding Jesus. Like, fighting, you know. Talking about that, like, taking accountability, understanding like, and accepting that like, yes, this is just like, I am where I am because of what I did.

And talking about it in that way, but like, I don't love the idea of giving publicity to someone who's going to continue to say like, oh, I'm innocent or, you know, like, no. Exactly. I mean, he deserves to be where he is. And like, there are probably tons of people that are, you know, wrongfully convicted.

I mean, we see it. Oh, absolutely. Time and time again. So I'm not saying like, I don't want to hear that.

But like, in a case like this, where like, yeah, you did it. Yeah. Like, you did it. Exactly.

I mean, how many times, how many ways can we prove that you're there? Right. Right. You know, you know, your own cousin said you were there.

Yeah, like, you were there. Yeah. You know, you were there. Like, you pretty much said, like, I was there, but you can't breathe it.

Yeah. So it clearly did. So yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah. I mean, this is a case that is nearly 40 years old. And I'm just glad that they found these men who committed these horrific.

Yeah. From what? From what? I know.

Duffle bag and some cassettes. And this is bull and a hundred bucks. Yeah. Like, you're going to kill two innocent kids and they were kids.

Yeah. You know, they had their whole lives ahead of them. And that's what makes no sense to me. Yeah.

Oh, these are the Trinity murders. You're welcome. I'm sorry. I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't that.

Which is a father's son of the least, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. That's the Trinity.

That's what I want to do. I need another sweet baby Java. I keep drinking them wine out of the bottle over here. Because you know, nursing that wine.

Yeah. Like, I needed these moments of hardships. Yeah. I understand.

But yeah, you know, it's weird because in finding stories, things just sort of come our way and come to us. And I don't know why, but this one just sort of appeared and I was like, oh, I've got to follow this trail. Yeah. Kind of intense.

It's a lot. It is a lot. So. I'm in a variety of ways.

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I'm going to have some more wine. All right. So I'm going to give a shout out to Louisville, Kentucky. Louisville.

Louisville. Louisville. Cheers. Cheers.

There we are. All right, y'all. Well, we will see you next week for more fun. Ha.

Haley's still swinging. Bye, everybody. Bye. Bye.