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It was Japanese the whole time. You should see the look in your face. I've never belonged anywhere before. I've been searching.
But now, Ron. Come on, man. Snap out of it. Are you okay, buddy?
I love Hill House. They want me here. They finally want me somewhere. Maybe you should just go home.
Yeah, I think you need to go home, Ron. No. You can't take me from Hill House. This is where I belong.
This is where I've always belonged. I think it'll be fine. Yeah, nothing about a come from this. Welcome to Wild Card Podcast.
I'm your host, Jared Eaton, and my co-pilot on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis. Hello. And no live organism can continue for long to exist under conditions of absolute absurdity. Even Kookaburts and Kookaburts are supposed by some to think for themselves.
Ron Blair, not sane, stood by himself against the mountains, holding darkness within. He had stood for 45 years and might stand for at least three more. Within features Les Skew, skin met hair, messily, and eyes gazed awkwardly. Silence lay upon the smirk of Ron Blair.
And whenever he walked, he walked alone. God, there has never been a better description of me in my life. I've never been a better description. Thank you.
I spent some time on that one. I think three years is being better. Three years is generous. I probably have three hours.
That's how long I have left to live. Ron, you are the man. I wrote it in a paragraph. I didn't write it almost.
It was purely Jack. We tried in five ways to to celebrate, incorporate Ron where a house was in this territory. No, that's very cool. It's funny because we talk about Eleanor, but she's one of those literary characters that when you read it, you go, I get it.
I understand what she's saying. When married with children, you go, boy, I'm alone a lot. Inside your head. And we talked a lot about literature in here.
Characters, and if they're written well, how much you can identify and understand them. And that's when you can find that character. It just draws you to the book so quickly. I'm struggling with relatability lately.
I feel that it's hard for people to relate to me. I could be wrong. You know, so perception often is. And I have trouble relating to other people.
And it disturbs me. I get very, very involved. Why don't you give people a chance to relate to you as you tell them what this podcast is all about? This podcast is about relating to others and relating to ourselves, coming to know ourselves and coming to know others in the hopes of bettering this world, our community, and one other.
I can relate to that. Yeah. It's all worship. Hey.
I got through this one. Carnal relations, man. That's what you're talking about. Most of the time.
Normally this is the time where we allow you to relate to us as we do a favorite section. Yeah. Give me a little opportunity as you were like, oh, these people are really just horrible. They're horrible people.
I disagree with everything about them. Today we're going to go slightly different direction with this. We're going to be smart. I don't know if I can rise to that challenge.
But instead of the normal favorites portion, we're going to do a would you rather portion. I'm going to ask you a would you rather question. You guys are going to give your answers. I don't know.
That's all I had. Everybody will say next week. So would you rather always be 10 minutes late or always be 20 minutes early? 20 minutes early, always.
20 minutes early. I hate being late so much. Even 30 seconds late bugs me. It would occur to see other people who are like I'm shifting on other people.
When I read this that was my thing. I'd rather be early than late. It was the easy part, but 20 minutes early, but they were trying to swing them. We'd have to be there really early, but still.
It's only 10 minutes. No. I'd rather be there an hour earlier than day. No.
I'd rather be there an hour early than a minute late. I don't want to be late. Getting to the point now is like, getting up isn't hard anymore. Getting up early is not a challenge like it was.
up late. That's on Saturday or Sunday. I can't do it anymore. Sometimes I just feel like I've woken up late and my alarm's gone off and it's time to get back.
I'm afraid I'm late. I'm freaking out. Like I'm ever gonna be like flailing. Yeah, it's awful.
It's an awful feeling. It's an awful feeling. It's a really difficult thing. You guys are really quickly out.
Would you rather be famous while alive and forgotten when you die or unknown while alive but famous after death? I really struggle with this daily. I do. Well, I think my only opportunity is to be famous after I'm dead.
But I would rather be famous while I can enjoy it. Yeah, I've ever forgotten for eternity as opposed to because then I can enjoy it. Honestly and pathetically, that's why I do it for attention. I'm a middle child and middle children want attention.
We need that attention. And that's why I do it. I want fame. I'm the opposite.
I mean, I've accepted I'm a high school teacher. Like this is what I am. I'm nobody but I would love to have made an impact and like my memory be lasting. That's kind of where I would like that.
I understand. I would like that. Obviously both of them would be great. You know, every day though I still struggle with this thought of nobody cares what I did three, four years ago.
No matter how good it was, it's gone. It's so negative and I'll never tell you. It's part of being a pro. You know how long they'll remember you?
This long. This long done. And you're and they go home and you no longer matter. I don't believe that.
I don't believe that. I don't believe that because I believe that they remember performances but they move on and they've got things that I don't think it's just they're not gonna come with every time they see us right. Right. Even though that's exactly what we want.
That's what we want. We don't want to go meet and greet. But we do want to tell us how great we are. Well, you know, I that's hard.
I stop doing meeting greet just because you hear those same five sayings over and over again. How do you learn your lines? You do a great job as always all this stuff. I just want to go home now.
I want to show you what I got and go home because I'm I'm not getting anything from it. It's unfair to an audience. It's me being a prick. But I don't I don't want to go home.
I don't like simple compliments. Yeah, right. But if you give me one that is like complex and like you were paying attention and it like means something to me. I'll keep it forever.
So I've got like some letters that kids have written written me from seven years ago. Yeah. I don't look at them every day. But I got like a little drawer where I keep some of these things that seem to rip me that are personal and mean a lot to me.
Because that like but if you give me like a birthday card or a Christmas card and it's like happy Christmas trash. Right. Right. No, I don't even like display Christmas.
It's just gone. Yeah. I just keep I look at them. I go oh that's such a nice thought and I keep them in a cup of you hold or whatever and talk to them.
I love compliments from from other performers or directors that I respect. Yeah. And my favorite one is I always love to watch you on stage. That's I love to hear that one because it actually means something.
It means they love my work consistently and they they gain and enjoy my doing this is not just for you know being being forgotten as soon as they get done applying. And a lot of people that see some stage already know us. Right. So anytime I hear something like I believed you.
Yeah. Like that is like I forgot you were you right. I forgot you were you. That was awesome.
That was great when they lose themselves in your performances. All right. This is here we go. Would you rather be alone for the rest of your life or always surrounded by annoying people alone.
Always alone. No problem. Not. You were just talking about how you needed affirmation.
I don't want to be around annoying people. But what if that's my life right now. What if all it says is right now. That's mean you couldn't also put like there to be like I know people following around.
No. Okay. I'm okay. I'm okay with that.
It is like alone. It is like the worst punishment prisons can give people. Yeah. I'll bitch about it.
No. I'm not alone for a long time. I got that's what I got. But you lived alone but you didn't spend your life alone.
You actually went to work. You. Yeah. That's right.
The reason that people go insane when they're in solitary confinement is because they're alone with themselves. Which is why it's this cruel and human thing. I you know as much as as much as I would rather be alone than with annoying people. Right.
If it was for the rest of my life I think I would have to choose annoying people because at least then you have someone you can yell at somebody then sell something that's going on as opposed to being there with my own mind and tell myself how horrible the human being. It was temporary. I told the people I'm maybe on the fence on this. I would miss my wife and kids of course and all my friends.
All right. Would you rather be the first person to explore a planet or the inventor of a drug that can cure a deadly disease? You're a deadly disease. Yeah.
I'm with that. I'm with that. I'm with that. Yeah.
You have to go through space and I don't want to get there. I don't want to get scared. Do you have the idea of seeing something that no one else has ever seen? You haven't played the video game Journey.
Do you know what it's about or anything? It's one lone character. I've never played the man's. No man's sky.
No one's got some one lone character. Yeah. It's one lone lone character where you walk. You don't see anybody and I've always wondered what the point of the game was.
But it's this solitary exploration where you see nobody for hours or days. I look back fondly at like Lewis and Clark's exhibition. They made people on the way. The idea of like the moon landing and things that bring the person who did this thing.
Right. I would want to be the first person to like go through the Amazon. Well, I don't want to be that. I don't want to be that.
That's like scary. What they did. I understand that wanting to explore new worlds. But I love the thought of exploring a place like the Amazon and when they would start finding clues that there was a civilization there.
Yeah. I understand that. Yeah. When you would see the the knick-knacks or the pottery that they left behind.
Well, this being the first person to explore a planet or make a discovery in the Amazon, that stuff is fantastic. That would be fun. I just like the idea of being able to help so many people. And there's a financial part of that too.
If you're just going to be scared, that's going to be I really am like, oh, obviously I initially was a cheerleader. I was like, I'm a science guy. Right. You know, helping people and a teacher.
I'm like, first person to explore a planet sounds like you're killing me. I found the cure of the lubus. But I'm not sharing answer. All right.
Would you read yourself? We should dig. I am. Would you rather have a horrible job but retire comfortably in 10 years or your dream job but work until the day that you die.
Working until the day that I do. I'm living a right now. I don't hate my job but I don't love it. And then no, I'm not going to retire comfortably with that job either.
So that's what I didn't give you your life. So there I said, you know, I know, but it was financially would prepare you to retire. But if you know what you're doing, then you don't want to stop. You know, what a retire.
You know, what a retire. You know, what a hobby. Right. You retire in 10 years.
You could do that without having to work about finances. Yeah. Yeah. But if you do or 10 years of crap, if I could then do whatever I wanted afterwards.
Yeah. But if you're getting paid to do whatever you want, right, then why do you need to retire? Oh, there's so many actors that don't have a family. Time wise with family.
I don't have a family. So I care about you. You have you have a ton of actors that just worked until the day they died. And they seemed that seems like the great light.
Like Christopher Lee, he didn't have to work. He didn't have to do all though. He was still getting residuals from the hammer movies in the 60s. I'm sure he was financially secure.
It was that he loved working. Martyn Landau loves working as all the actors. Exactly. They like to work.
They don't. That's not because they, I mean, mostly they probably need the money too. But that's not why they're acting. They're not acting because that pays great.
Right. Robert DeBolle, they're not there. You have some like Sean Connery that retired. Yeah.
And that's great for them. Or Jack Nicholson. I think he can't he has trouble remembering his lines, which will happen. Well, you get to a certain point and maybe you don't want to do it anymore.
It's just to work and to much effort. Well, Nicholson's not what he hasn't needed to work for the last 20 years. He doesn't have to do anything. You know, he made his money back in the day.
He made his money off Batman for two, three, five times. Now, this one's I think we're talking about this before, but we're the ability to teleport or to read minds. No, I'll tell. I don't want to be reading anyone's mind.
That doesn't work. I would have to read minds. Really. I can turn it off.
I'm just going to hear full things. I don't want to hear what people are. I know what I think in my head. I don't want to hear other people thinking.
Yeah. I know what I think about me. If they agree with me, then it's a horrible thing. All right.
I don't love me, Jose. Final final one here. And this one, I'm going to say for one month, okay? Would you rather give up the gift to give up one of these things for one month?
Okay. Bathing or the internet? You have to give up one for a month. I'm really okay with either bathing.
It's discomfort. I would give up the internet before I give up bathing. Yeah, I could give up the internet. There's books.
There's books. There's books. There's books. It would be incredibly difficult for a whole month to go ahead and admit.
Because that's like, my TV doesn't need the internet. I can't do Netflix. I can't do Netflix. I can't do Hulu.
I've got a bunch of movies. I've got a bunch of books. I've got a job. I think I don't know that.
I don't know that. As long as I'm not surfing. Well, if we can still be on the computer, that's just not an internet. Well, that's one thing I would pick up on a free retro-subernent Nintendo system.
And you'll never see me for a month. I'll be the internet for a retro Nintendo. I did it for years when I was a kid. But like, there have been times I've actually started talking to someone when I was like, how's sitting?
Where I would take like three showers a day because I love a shower. Yeah, a shower's great. It's not just like, I don't want to smell that much. I used to enjoy showers.
Well, Jeff and I were both, I was a teenager. You're both taking a shower. I was straight up. Jeff and I, like Jeff was in his 20s.
I was in my teens before the internet was ever even something you would think about. I mean, I did start using the internet. I didn't use the internet. I didn't get a cell phone so I was dating Joe and I mean, I didn't see the point of being in constant contact with people who weren't going to call me in the first place.
No, I love it. I love not having a cell phone now that I have one. I love having a cell phone. I know.
I love it. I love checking the news that way and other things. I can get my news on TV. I could, I'm not giving up the shower.
I would suck now. I would feel horrible all day long. Yeah, especially after your second third day, my parents offered an oil long road without bathing. You guys are a little not compulsive.
But you guys are more than I do. I can skip a day, but it doesn't feel good. Yeah, right. Every time it's like over the summer, if I don't have to go anywhere, I'm leaving the house and no one's around, I might skip a day because there's no impetus like I have to get ready to go.
But the second day, I'm going to take a shower. I'm going to get one today. I already feel gross right now. I've already had a shower, but I want a shower now.
Well, being around me, most people want to take a shower whenever they're around me. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is my turn to do the show. What's this? It's a part of the video.
I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
I'm doing it. I'm going to start with the questions. It's a great episode. It's a great episode.
Yeah. Mackenzie was like, it's next week's a Jared zone. I said, no, it's a Jared zone. Before we start the Jared zone, I just want to throw out to all the people who think that wall would make a great musical.
It is. It is. That live dress you losers. I hear you.
He's nailing his thesis. He's the wall. I hear you. You're the only people who are responding to this entire thing that I posted.
So I grant you that, okay, I accept your opinion that the wall would make a great musical, but my challenge is prove it. I feel like if I were given an opportunity and better a better budget than what I would have now, I could stage an excellent production of it that you would appreciate. Yeah. But would it be based on the songs from the album or would be based on the story that they created for the movie?
Now for as much as I like the movie, I would create a different story with that. That's not the argument though. The argument was, I think the argument was, is it a good? It's the movie worth the shit.
It could be done well. Right. Yeah, I think it could. Yeah.
I think it could. I think that one, the movie is really a product. Because I even Jeff would agree that it's possible if you put time into a story and made Pink Floyd's own fit, that could work. Even because of Love's You Fuck musicals.
We do that. But I think it was that one in particular. Yeah. Well, you know, it's the fact that it was written as a response to losing his dad in World War II and that was a chain reaction that led to this, to this, to this, to the infidelity in the marriage and rock, sorry, I'm in isolation and alienation and all that.
And I, that you had, it was that time period. That's the timeline that it absolutely had to be in. And I appreciated that. And I mean, I was, you know, a stoner kid when I first saw it that made me appreciate it.
But I still really, I enjoy what Alan Parker did with movie. Well, then I'm going to give you a challenge specifically. Okay. My challenge is for you to do a report on the wall and show me.
Take him. I'll take it. The movie or the album? The movie?
Either one. All right. All right. I want to like the music.
I like the music. I like the music. Okay. I want to try them.
I want to try them. Pretty music. I have a weekly change topic. Yeah.
There are Ronis Oates and Jeff Oates. Each of those are one civil. So I think my answer is a J-R-Sode. J-R-Sode?
Isn't that still two civils though? J-R-Sode? Well, no more than so. Yeah.
Yeah. But we have multiple subs. We have a way in way in way in way. Yeah.
I like your episode. I like your episode. Way in. Listeners?
Yeah. Let's hear it from you. Want to hear all your answers to the would you rather questions? Right.
And then what should my episodes be called? Right. I'll let your episodes. All right.
I'll let your episodes. We're starting with your episode. What are some of the most famous dates in history? And I don't just mean to happen in a year.
I mean, let me know the exact dates on the show. Like 10, 19, oh no. I was gonna say 10, 99, we haven't the conqueror, but that's a year. Yeah.
There's a lot of things we know about you there. Can you think of specific? Like the idea of 11, again, 11, 11, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 14, 14, two is 42 or 43 Pearl Harbor. December 7th, 1941.
Yeah. Okay. I'm wrong in every. I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
I knew pretty well. Yeah. I had to look up, make sure I was certain. I mean, I've been wrong on one.
July, November 7th, 1963. That's Kennedy. Yeah. So, I'm going to 22.
Yeah. I'm fuzzy. I'm fuzzy on the other one. I had Pearl Harbor.
Yeah. I built those. There's July 2nd, 1776, which is not a no. That's when the declaration of independence really is not when it was right before they went out there.
But the second was when they actually signed it. Yeah. Well, even the signing didn't even on the second on the same day. No, people did right.
Right. I did have 7476. I had that one on here. Yeah.
There's one I had that's before before BC. That's a BC time. Oh, oh, what would be the death of Julius? Yeah.
Yeah. I'd march. March 14. It's 44 BC.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I also have a 6644.
6644. That would be V-day. D-day. Okay.
I have August 6th, 18, and I, sorry, August 6th, 1945. August 6th. That would be V-day. Or the end of, well, that was the M close to the end of the year.
Yeah. Right. And the other one, 72069. That is 969.
72069. Robert Kennedy. Apollo 11. Apollo 11.
Okay. I know it's my lifetime. So that's right. So that's just the one I can go to where I kind of like, I didn't know all those dates to be on.
I'm like, what are some famous ones? Oh, here's the thing. Let me stop here right there though. I've been thinking lately, like the late 60s, early 70s.
I don't know if it's, you know, normal aging nostalgia or whatnot, but you remember like the tube socks that would have the stripes on it? Yeah. There was a style to the 70s that I, it's an ugly style, but there's a part of me that really misses it. It's pre-internet, you know, pre-truical, pre-cable.
If you look at any era you're not actually living in, so the clothing styles are at ugly. Right. We thought we were doing 90s. The turquoise and the purple of the 90s.
Oh my fucking god. All of us, like, I don't know how it was for you, Jeff. We were, you were in college well before I was, but there was a time in the 90s where you looked around and all of a sudden there were flat jackets everywhere. And you went, where the fuck did all this green man and what I was up for?
I, you know what jinko jeans are for the 90s. I've heard of them. I don't. So this, I remember this.
This was the last time period. Oh fuck, I remember those. Those were so good. They started out as normal jeans, but they flare out.
And that should bell bottoms times 1000. Yeah, I don't remember that. But I did wear, I did wear bell bottoms in the 70s when I was growing up. What you were, when I was in college, you know what the fashion trends were when I was in 1983 when I started college.
Because when they were in the white closet, women were wearing these giant shoulder pads that made them look like football players. Suddenly you started having these rat pails, the people wearing and I wanted maullets and the rat pails and no, they didn't. Unfortunately, they became marvelous. And these bet these dresses that looked like shopping bags that we wore.
Yeah, yeah, the 80s was so weird. And we thought we were so damn cool though. There was a time when I was wearing parachute pants. I always wanted to wear my parents would never give me that.
They wouldn't give me camouflage. I had members only. That was my Michael Jackson jacket was the members only jacket, which was nothing like Michael Jackson's jacket. Oh, we're not sure.
So I was younger. Yeah. I was like, I was gonna say until it was unacceptable. It was like, it became a point where I would be fun for it.
I'll wear it for like two or three years. I own one pair of them shorts. One pair of denim shorts and I loved them. I thought they were.
I never thought I'd pull off my shorts. My shorts were great. All right. Back to the topic.
Yeah. Back to the topic. What was your first answer? I don't remember the question.
The day was dates. Oh, nine eleven. Where were you on September 11th, 2001? Oh, I know it was a matter.
Yeah. Oh, I knew you would have. Yeah. I'm rage for this.
I've just, I've just realized. Jeff, Jeff, Lippen Queen, I'll save her for last. I'm the youngest. I was in ninth grade.
Yeah. I was at Hazelwood Junior High School. I was in a, we had, I was a three-story junior high school at the middle school now. And I was in a social studies teachers room.
Yeah. It was actually a portable unit outside the building and we're taking Indiana State testing. I stepped and we're in the middle of taking it out to one of the tests and the door opened up. And if student came in and told the teacher to do the TV on.
Yeah. And so that was, and then I remember going to luncheon, kids were being pulled from school. Oh, yeah. And the unfortunate thing is, I was an ninth grader and I all I cared about.
And this is, I just honestly shamefully said something about it. I couldn't watch the TV shows I want to watch. No, that's, because that's, that's, that's the killer. I was like, how do you, 14, how do you process something like that?
I didn't process it. It was a thing that was on TV. I was, I was working at the haunted house business and I was, I had the day off actually. And I'm, you know, up around nine o'clock and I'm playing a Final Fantasy nine on the PlayStation at the time.
And Michelle called, she was working at a daycare. And she had called and she said, she said I was just informed that a plane has, has hit one of the towers in one of the world trades in her towers. And I was like, yeah, so, you know, I wouldn't shitty about it. But I was like, yeah, okay, why are you bothering me during Final Fantasy nine?
And she goes, it wasn't an accident. And I went, oh, fuck. And then she goes to second plane, his hit. And that's when I realized it was a lot.
I think that's like the second thing that just happened when we got in. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then you go, oh, fuck, this isn't, it wasn't some accident with air controller and anything like that.
That was intended to happen. And then, and then by the time you heard about the one at the Pentagon and the one in the field in Pennsylvania, when you were in a fucking wonder attack, you know, which, which we were in a way. Oh, yeah. Um, well, Jeff has the best.
Jeff, where were you on the camera? Well, in Manhattan. I wasn't in Manhattan. I had, now, September 11th in New York was actually a primary election day.
So I had gone to vote before going to work. I was, um, I was living in Elmer's Queens and I went to, I left home early, so that I could vote. I went and voted, went to work. I, my job at the time was to go out with staff as they're running their, as they're working with people who had development of disabilities, they take them into the community to do volunteer work and I would go with them and train them how to do their job there.
That was basically my job. And the day after I was supposed to be having one of my group trainings, um, where I would have all the new staff come and we would do a couple days of intensive training. Right. So I went to work and, um, suddenly people were in their offices kind of talking as like weird stuff.
It was a strange vibe, but, um, no one was telling me anything because you know, I wasn't really part of their staff. I was just kind of their way. Can I ask you this where you worked was that on the East side of Manhattan or the West side? I was on 44.
Well, that day I was on 44th street and eighth Avenue because he came down on the West side, right? Like the farthest in, it came down, it came down in the southern part of, of Manhattan. It came down, estimate mileage, how far are we? Right.
Right. Because it's right, it's right at the base of the brick and bridge in that area. Well, it's near Battery Park, which is down, which is down in lower Manhattan. I was in Midtown Manhattan.
So mileage wise, couple miles, two or three miles, could you see the impact on it or? Well, yeah, oh, yeah, I'll get to that. So anyway, I was, the person I was supposed to be training that day didn't show up to work that day. And so I was, which, you know, kind of destroyed my whole point.
At this point, I didn't, you know, someone said that a plane had flown into one of the towers. I thought it was a small prop plane, like some person, some person, an air control small plane, some airplane, right? They came out of thousands, the building was there, they, that's what that's bad. And, but there were people working there.
I remember a couple people working there, at least one person whose boyfriend was working in the towers and they were on the phone and she was telling him to just get out. It didn't matter, just get out. Right. And so then, you know, I'm on the, you got to remember, the second plane didn't hit right away.
There was time between that first plane and that second plane. Right. So all this stuff is going on and the person I'm supposed to meet isn't there. And there's no point of me being in Manhattan.
I don't know where under attack. Right. And so I'm, toggling back and forth with my supervisor who was supposed to come later in the day so that I could get money for the intensive training was supposed to do the next day. Right.
Now he in the morning was out in Flushing, Queens. So, um, yeah, which is quite a waste on subway. So, so I, um, we, we decided that, okay, well, he's not going to get there that day and the person I'm supposed to see isn't there. So I might as well just come out to Flushing and get the money and do whatever paperwork or whatever I was going to do in Manhattan.
Right. Out there. There's no point in me being in Queens. So I left.
I got on the subway and there's almost nobody on the subway. Yeah. The subway went out and we got into Queens and then it stopped running. Oh yeah.
They shut them all down. And they, once the second plane hit, they shut down all transportation. Yeah. And so, you know, it got to the station.
Um, it got to a subway station and I came up and suddenly there were people in lines on telephone at phone, you know, pay phones and they were on their cell phones. I didn't have a cell phone at this time. Right. There's no way for me to call anybody.
Was there a sense of anarchy going on? Kind of. Well, it was, by then, word was out that a second plane had hit the other building. Nothing had collapsed yet.
Yeah. So, and people were trying to get on buses because the subways were shut down. They had shut down. And so, now people were trying to get on buses to get where they were going.
Yeah. And so, I went over to where the bus stop was and it was clear that I wasn't going to be getting on a bus because the line and the number of people were so freaking deep. Sure. They were all trying to get home.
Because they were trying to get to work. And let's be honest, the busing, the busing system in New York is not an ideal system. It's from my experience, it wasn't awesome. Well, there are the busing system in New York City is a massive operation.
And there are times when, if they got a schedule, but they can only go as fast as eight traffic allows them to be the number of people getting on off their bus. So, there will be times where you're waiting a roll down for a bus and you'll get backed up and then the bus comes and it's packing, you can't get on it. And then you have two or three buses in a row because they were all getting backed up and then the next bus doesn't have any body on it. So, experience in Brooklyn with a bus.
But that all has to do with traffic. You've seen New York traffic. But this was different. And so, at this point, all this shit is going on.
I don't know what's, I mean, I heard that another plane is hit. The buildings haven't come down yet. I don't, I can't get out to my bus. I can't get back Manhattan.
And you're not getting solid news. I'm not getting to know definitively what it's had. So, I walked home because I was in Queens. I could walk home.
So, I walked home and started making phones. I called my boss and said, I don't think I'm getting out there. And I don't remember who it was that I finally found out that the towers had collapsed. And you were in Queens by the time they collapsed.
I was home before I found out that they collapsed. I think they collapsed before I got home. But I was at home when I found out that they had collapsed. And so, I was calling different super, the supervisor at this place that I had been and that I left, I was calling my supervisor.
And there was nothing. If I hadn't left, I would have been trapped in Manhattan for probably the rest of the day, maybe another day. Because not only did they shut down the subways, they closed the bridges. They weren't letting them down.