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Hey! Welcome to the Wall Card Podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eaton, and my co-pilates on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis. Hello.
And... Also known as... Rondler. What?!
What was that? What was that? It was a long pause. No, it wasn't.
It wasn't a long pause. I said your name in sign language. Oh! And then I said it in Braille.
Oh, I speak both of those. It was a flippable. I speak sign language. I'm touching Jared's name in Braille.
It's fun to watch his lip cover. I'm a little bit of a bross. He'll be able to get the right order. No.
But you have to feel it with your finger. It's too bad. You were touching his lip while he was speaking in Braille. That's why you didn't understand what he said.
He's why you interrupted me while I was speaking sign language. Of course. Because I know that he's talking Braille. He was touching his lip the entire time.
I think he was just a little more enlightened than you are. That's true. I thought you were just doing my name in parentheses. Yeah.
That's what I thought. Insert name here. Yeah. Of course not.
We were more enlightened than you. We speak all the languages. All the best languages. Speaking of...
Will you tell us what the podcast is all about? This podcast is about gibberish, gobbledygook, and our viewers who are able to ascertain from that gibberish and gobbledygook some kind of meaning that enriches their lives. That's the point. That's exactly what we have.
That enriches our viewers lives. It happens. We could just come... Are you sure?
Sure. For listeners? We could just come right out. We could just come right out.
We could come right out. We have 20. We have 20. We have 20.
We have 20. Tony and Emily listening. Yeah, right. Wendy.
Wendy. Wendy. Wendy. Wendy.
Wendy. Wendy. We could... The web is listening now.
We could be very alert with the wisdom we want to share, but we want them to be able to find what they need. You know, I have more. We have more. Exactly.
Exactly. Exactly. I had a hell of a figure in my life. Why should I make it easier on it?
I know it's by explaining, you know, my experience. Well, speaking of the analyze, we like to do theater on occasion. We've been on occasion. We've been on occasion.
We've been part of the theatrical production. And just this past week, Mark Leven announced during the pre-show speech on Mia, that next year's packed program, Fall Musical, is Young Frank and Sally. You heard it here first. Or you met him probably second.
Or on the internet. Probably second or third information here. But we're giving it to you here. And I could not have possibly been more excited.
No, I like that. There are not many shows he could announce that I would have been more excited about than this one time. Well, it's really an update. It's a modern musical.
It's a great fun. It's different from the standards. And we've done good shows in the past. And we've all been solid-sounded music.
I really think we're made with a lot of different things. Fun, fun, fun, incredible. But nothing with this kind of humor. With the exception of maybe like linear tenor.
Right. That's the closest thing. That's absolutely the closest thing. And so I'm excited to try to do some big stage comedy at the pack.
Because I've never really gotten to do much comedy. I mean, there have been funny moments in things. It's rare. Anybody has an opportunity to do comedy at the pack.
I think I've done one. Yeah. And that's one more than most of you guys have ever done at the pack. I've got to do some awkward things.
I've had funny moments in shows. That's it. You haven't been in flat out comedy. They don't do flat out comedy most of the time, which is great.
But I do think that we're doing comedy. It has music that will stand up to pretty much every show we've done, maybe with the second of Hunchback. Because Hunchback's music was just another level, I think. Yeah.
My father came to tell me that he was his favorite music he started the pack. And I'm like, well, thanks, Dad. Incredibly sweet of you to say my father is not a musician. He doesn't like it.
It's fun music, but it's not near Hunchback's music. Here's the thing. I've had a goddamn episode in my head every day, every morning, all week long. And it's pissing me off a little bit.
Yeah. It was one. All of them. Why do you love the winner?
I love the winner. I was wondering if she has performance. No, I keep thinking about her performance. But not once is that one.
Didn't stuck him on Monday. It's usually a ticket chance on me. And then Mamamia today was the soul. Well, but Amazon's are written to be stuck in your head.
They were written for the radio. They were not. I mean, Mamamia, it's a fun show. But the music wasn't written for the musical.
So I heard the music now. Comparing it to Hunchback. It's a very, it's no like person. Yeah.
It's like Cherries and Appletimatoes. Cherries and Appletimatoes. Cherries and grape tomatoes. Cherries and grapefruit.
Cherries. Oh, God. All the yapatos. Grapefruit, so that Satan put grapefruits on the earth and said they're healthy.
OK. Yeah. Yeah, here. Give it a try.
See if you like it. You'll lose all the way in the world. It'll taste like shit. Oh, love Cherries.
God, they're awful. They're so bitter and gross. You can't put sugar with them? I hate it.
I hate it. My mom puts salt on top. It brings out the sweetness. Grapefruit is salty grapefruit.
Yeah. Grapefruit is a contraindicated for several medicines. And things like ginger, macans, you can't take grapefruit. But anyway, young Frank is done.
I'm very excited. I'm not off on a tangent. We're not on that. We're on that.
We're on that tangent. So I would eat. I would love to hear your thoughts. Deckheads, listen to the soundtrack for young Frank.
I think you'll enjoy it. But young Frank is a Mel Brooks show. And I honestly did not think Mel Brooks would ever appear in the backstage because of Mel Brooks. And the humor is it's subtle in some places.
Really not very subtle in others. It's adult. It's very adult. It's very adult.
I'm just curious to hear your favorite Mel Brooks movies, Mel Brooks lines, comedies, things of that nature. I mean, I love the producers, the musical. But I love the movie long before it was turned into ridiculous. It's so ridiculous.
Yeah, it's so unexpected. And it's so funny. The original movie with Zero Mostelles. Zero Mostelles.
Zero Mostelles. Yeah, Zero Mostelles. And Kenneth Mars is the writer. And it's like it was brilliant.
It's like playing in Spectra Camp. Oh, yeah. And it's like it's just freaking amazing. Yeah, it's brilliant.
I mean, the music all that Mel Brooks started in do for Broadway than that movie. I love both of those, too. Yeah, that's fun. But I would recommend the original.
Yeah, I know it's a movie for the musical. Oh, the great thing about the producers, if you put yourself in 68, 69, whenever it was made, the only place you could find any kind of comedy like that was get smart on TV, which was created by Mel Brooks. That's the only him and Buck Henry. That's the only kind of, you couldn't get that comedy.
He was carrying around the other shoulders. He really wasn't that a him and Neil Simon. Everybody who wrote for Sid Caesar ended up carrying comedy on the back. Carl Reiner, Woody Allen, Neil Simon, Mel Brooks, all those guys were in the other with Sid Caesar.
And they created this kind of comedy that, and they all worked together on the Dick Van Dyke show or something like that. Carl Reiner did. And I, so did Woody Allen. The Woody Allen did, yes.
I think those are the only two that did the Van Dyke show together. In fact, I think Carl Reiner got the acting job because one of his friends from Sid Cedar, maybe Woody Allen was a writer on Dick Van Dyke. And since Carl Reiner had worked with him before, that's how he ended up getting the part on the Van Dyke show. Yeah, so all those guys.
But Mel Brooks specifically, you don't see humor like that. And you never will see humor like his. It's unique. Well, his push boundaries in a way that's gonna be hard for people to do.
Yeah, well, it's a bad thing to push. They're all the boundaries left. That's it. What we were saying before the show, by the time I became a Mel Brooks fan, I was 10 years old, it was the mid 80s.
And the stuff he had introduced that was scintillating and shocking 10 years before was no longer shocking at all. Well, even in the 70s, I mean a lot of his stuff was done in the 60s, I mean 60s and 70s, but 60s or so. So, I think Space Balls was probably the first most movie I ever saw in the movie theater. By then his movie making stuff was more in decline.
So every Mel Brooks movie I've seen virtually, not all of them, but most of them were on TV where they've been at it for commercial. Right, content, stuff like that. And yet they're still in amazingly fun, right? The writing is so clever.
It's so brilliant and absurd. Right. And I think part of the problem is Space Balls, whenever that came out, the Zaz brothers had already been doing an airplane and then they could go on all their stuff. And so parody had become popular at that point.
So Mel Brooks was trying to keep up with it. And he was aging. Instead of pioneering it. Exactly.
He was no longer the pioneer of that kind of humor. And so I consider Space Balls the first decline. Do you know a lot of blazing trails, is that what you're saying? Or something.
I wouldn't say it like that. I said it. Well, the thing is, if you look at his movies, the parodies that he was doing were very unique, like silent movie. Right.
And even on Frankenstein the movie, it's like, walk this way. The, they're a Smith song, walk this way. It's based on that line. And they had written the song, but they didn't have it.
They didn't know what it was about. And they're about to abandon it. Then they went to the movies. And they saw a young Frankenstein.
He said, walk this way. And Stephen Tyler said, that's what the song is. Walk this way. How bad ass is that?
This way. But even if you look at Mel Brooks's 12 chairs, which I think you did before the producers, I haven't seen 12 chairs. It's not what you'd expect from a Mel Brooks movie. It's still very funny.
But it's based on an old Yiddish folktale. About around the 1914, when Zara Nicholas II was thrown out by the Bolsheviks or the proletariat, whatever that was. Like a year later, though, it became a communist. There was that one year of Bolsheviks.
And apparently, this farmer or peasant or somebody had a relative that knew about gems that were sewn into one of the Zara's chairs that was taken out with the castle. And so he and this con man, Buddy of his, go on a journey to find the last chair, the 12 chair that has this jewel sewn in it. And it's funny. It's more Yiddish than it is what we come to think of as Mel Brooks.
But it's a fine film. But it shows you that Mel Brooks has these Yiddish roots. And so so much of his humor in the movies are Jewish-based. Well, as much as much of the New York television humor is.
So your humor is also history of the world part 1 and 2. That was Mel Brooks, too. Yeah, well, there was no part 2. It was never in part 2.
Yeah, for part 2. Those were actually read up on it. Those were sketches that didn't make the movie. But they were so funny that they didn't want to let go of the Viking funeral or Jews in space.
And so they went ahead and teased a part 2 at the end of part 1 with all the, I guess, the garbage that they didn't throw away. Yeah, kind of the out things. They were going to throw this stuff away. And Jews in space is so damn funny in concept.
You can't throw that away. You can't get rid of that or a Viking funeral. That's fine as hell. What do you thought it's on rather than in tights?
It's post-space balls. That's the problem. If that was even worse than space balls, the space balls wasn't awful. It wasn't awful.
It wasn't awful. It was a Star Wars parody, right? Right. Roger Ebert said it was just too late for Star Wars parody.
The last one had come out three years before. But while it was funny, it still wasn't the energy that Mel Brooks was doing. Yeah, and it felt like it was just working too hard to make work. Yeah.
Yeah. So it wasn't natural anymore. And men and tights, I don't think it's dreadful. But I think it still suffers from that space balls.
Kind of it's not cutting edge anymore. You're not pushing it off a lot. And then by the time Dracula did it and I came out. Oh, Mel.
I thought of you, John. Which is why it was. And then he didn't do anything for quite a while. And then he came back to the producer, John.
And he did get smart again. That's how he did it. Which is so funny. It's so funny.
It's so funny. It's smart. I didn't think it'd be funny. It got horrible reviews.
The one with Steve Carell. It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. It's hilarious. Yeah.
It's great. Now the one Mel Brooks movie that I adore is High Anxiety. Oh, yeah. Oh, forget about it.
I forgot about it. I don't find it. I forgot about it. I don't find it.
I don't find it. I love High Anxiety. I love it. But I enjoy it.
And that's what he got in really with Rudy DeLuca, who he was the Jaws character in High Anxiety that strangles him at the phone booth and went on to write with him later on. That and Life Stinks, which is another one that is not real. Nobody has it. Flopped at the box office.
Leslie Anne Warren was in it. Miss Scarlett. She is fucking terrible in that movie. She is awful.
But the movie is kind of fun. It makes a good statement about the four. It's about Mel Brooks. And he gets screwed out of all his money.
He's this wealthy guy. And so Jeffrey Tambor, who is his nemesis, bets him that he can't live 30 days on the street with no money. Because he's so used to being a spoiled rich New York businessman. So Mel Brooks takes him up on the bed.
Well, after 30 days, Jeffrey Tambor screws him out of it. He's coming back here. He's going to leave him there in the street. So it's really about a class of stubbornizing that Mel Brooks starts in the streets among the homeless people.
And it's almost like trading places with Eddie Murphy. A little bit, except there's no trade. It's just Mel Brooks going out there. But yeah, how is he going to be poor among the homeless for a month?
And it becomes kind of endearing. There's some drama in it. It's not like Mel Brooks, but it's really good. And to be or not to be, that's an old.
Nobody or not. Because he's going to be funny. Even direct, I don't think he did. But he wrote it, right?
I think he wrote it. And he started. And it's his movie. Well, as you know, it's hard to interact and start the same thing.
Oh, I don't know that I ever want to try that. I've done it on film. I get distracted on film. And my performance isn't good as a director or as a performer.
Because you're focusing on the money. I'm not giving out a percent anything. So I'm not sure I thought students a lot when they're getting involved in school. Getting involved is really important.
But if you get too involved, then you might as well be doing nothing. Well, it reminds me of Rushmore, where the kid is the worst student on Earth. But he's involved with every single extracurricular activity out there, Max Fleischer. That's a funny one.
So I'm just looking up to see who directed to be or not to be. Oh, hey, what's happening? That is the question. That is the question.
That is the question. Then they can. Mm, yes, they can. Wait.
Well, while we're all looking at this, I will go ahead and begin our transition. This is a patented JethaSode. So you know you are in for some high quality content. This is the stuff right here.
So since Ron can't use his phone, well, he's taking floor at ever. I seem to not be able to use my phone really at all. You're kind of stalling right now. I'm going to check it out.
Let's just go ahead and get started. If you guys can identify the difference between a couple. This is my opening question. It's a small question, but and it has very little to do with what we're talking about.
It's not really up. OK, what is the name of the actor who starred in Iron Side and Perry Mason? Oh, that's so. Shit.
Is it William? The Conqueror. William the Conqueror. Is his first name William?
No, his first name is not William. Oh, damn it. I know this is when you're going to say it. It's going to piss me off.
All right, so hold on to that. Hold on to your knowledge of that. That's contracts. Who was the third vice president of the United States?
Who was the first? Third. Oh, the third. Thomas Jefferson.
No, John Adams. Sorry. No, Jesus. What?
Vice president. Oh, vice president. Spiro Agnew. No, Alan Johnson, the record to be or not to be.
OK, good. We got to that. So one of them is named Aaron Burr. One of them is named Raymond Burr.
Who is who? Oh, Raymond Burr shot Alexander Hamilton. Aaron Burr was a chubby guy who was an airplane, too. No, not a lot of people.
Raymond Burr is a chubby guy who was an airplane, too. And Aaron Burr is the guy who was the third vice president of the United States. We'll agree on that one. No, we won't.
Are we talking Hamilton? Are we not going to do this? We are not going to do this. We are going to be talking history and treason.
Oh, but a treason going on. But a treason going on with our own. So we are going to be talking about Aaron Burr, the third vice president of the United States. Also, probably most famous for killing Hamilton.
That's literally the only thing I've ever been from. Oh, well. In a horribly tragic misunderstanding, which is awful. Not really.
He was wearing his glasses. That's not. That's not. He would girth shot him if he went wearing his glasses.
Oh, we're going to get him to the door. Lin-Manuel Miranda tells me he would not have. Well, Lin-Manuel Miranda, I have not finished listening to the end of Hamilton. I've listened to most of it with the last four or five songs.
I haven't gotten to because it takes so long to get through the show that I always run out of time. The sound sounds like minor 10 hours. I love the sound chat. But it's like listening to a book on tape.
And by the time this goes on to long, I run out of time. I don't have time to do the last 15 minutes to do the actual duel because I run out of time. Well, it's interesting. Most times, you're getting into an hour and something of music.
And then there's dialogue that goes blank. So there's some of that there's not much between. And it's all exposition. It's not all exposition.
It's mostly exposition. It's like listening to it. Every transition is a song. Every song I've heard from it tells a story.
There's a definite narrative. And it's great music. And I'm looking forward to seeing the show. But that's not what we're talking about.
That's a whole other episode. None of us will probably. Probably not. So most of this, or a lot of what I'm going to be talking about, comes from a book called American Emperor by David O.
Stewart. And it's about Aaron Berg. But not everything I'm going to say. So I'm going to give you some background on Amber.
Then I'm going to get into the story that I want to tell about Aaron Berg. All right? It's still been out. Aaron Berg.
Aaron Berg. Aaron Berg. So he was born in 1756 in Newark, New Jersey. He was American.
He was born in America. But he was a British citizen when he was born. Because he was born the resident. His father was the second president of Princeton College.
I didn't know that. I knew he'd come from my dad. So but his father and mother died when he was like two. So he was raised by relatives.
But still in New Jersey. He entered Princeton when he was 13. He graduated when he was 16. Good God.
He originally was studied theology. But then it switched over to law. Interesting. What an interesting switch there.
So in 1775, he served under Benedict Arnold, with Benedict Arnold. Wow. Marched on Quebec. He's a guy made the eggs.
Right. Well, Benedict Arnold became a traitor. This was when he was watching this top general. Is he on the path yet to becoming a traitor?
No. But we're right on the cusp, though, in 1775. Well, we are in rebellion against the United States. But we're angry at that point.
But we're angry at that point. We're angry at anything else. Right. The violent conflict with England began with Lexington Conference Court, which was 73.
Right? 1773? That sounds right. So maybe that was when the Boston Massacre happened.
Maybe that was in 1773. But anyway, we were in violent conflict with England before we declared independence in 1776. 1975. Right.
75. OK. So that's why. So 75 is when the war actually started.
It was the Massacre, because that's actually three days on its own. It was 1780. Which massacre? Oh, the Boston Massacre.
Just for a second. Have you seen the John Adams with Paul G. Yeah. Boston Massacre was 1970.
Oh. It was 1970. 1970. 1970.
1770. Yeah. But the Boston Massacre is where John Adams defended the British over. Brilliant.
And that's a brilliant mini series on HBO. I would recommend it highly. But I need to move back on to Aaron Burr. So anyway, so in 1755, we were at war with England, but we hadn't declared our independence.
Right. And so the Americans were marching on Quebec. They had taken Montreal. They were trying to take Quebec City.
But they lost this image. They were repelved. And they were repelved from Quebec. And then they retreated from Montreal.
But Aaron Burr first served in the military under Benedict Arnold during that campaign. In 1776, he joined Washington's staff for about two and a half, three weeks maybe. And then he left while I was in the staff. Because he didn't like watching.
That makes sense. I heard he wasn't like that. Well, yeah. He had some sort of...
He had some qualities. Yeah. So anyway, so... Just like a three.
Just like a three. But so he joined General Israel Putnam's staff. And he was commissioned a lieutenant colonel at the age of 21. You know what was the colonel?
Not me. Ruby the phone. Ruby the phone is. So he was at Valley Forge with the big one.
He was he commanded a brigade in 1779 at the Battle of Monmouth. He openly supported Charles Lee. He was in who was reprimanded by Washington for retreating. And who, if you remember the musical Hamilton, there's a duel between some supporter of Washington and as the other leader of the supporter.
And Hamilton was like the second for that. Yeah. Okay. I remember, I didn't know.
Washington was very good at that. If it went in Assassin's Creed III, I don't know. So in 1779, he resigned from the army for... Because he was having health problems.
And by following... How was he? Well, he picked up some disease. I liked tuberculosis.
I was in Burglose. But it was something that he was... So by this time he's like 22, 23. He's a kid.
Yeah. So then he... And in 1782, well, the revolution's still going on, right? But he's out of the army now.
He marries the Theodosia Bartop pre-bost, which is my favorite. I was a British officer. So in 1783, his daughter Theodosia was born. So this takes us to the end of the revolution war.
So then his white eyes... What happened? What we want. Oh man.
I don't know. I heard we want. So after the British were left, after the war, after they left on New York, Burway back to New York City and started practicing law with... I don't know.
But Alexander Hamilton, they practiced law together. They were best bros for law. I don't know if they were bros, but they certainly studied law together. In 1789, he was appointed Attorney General for the State of New York.
In 1791, he was elected Senator of New York. Nobody's arguing that he wasn't a quality human being. When he was elected Senator, he defeated Hamilton's father-in-law Philip Seymour. Seymour.
Shailers. Schuyler. Schuyler. There's no C or K in the spelling of it, but so it's Philip Schuyler.
It's a separate, open, sound cancel. Is it SCH? It's SH? Why?
Why the hell did they pronounce this guy? The only reason I was going to get the musical is because it's not a... Okay, and so in 1796 he ran for president. That was the first...
I mean, Washington was... ran unopposed in the first three elections. So in 1796, Adams won, but it was Adams, but there were a number of people running. He came in fourth.
Adams, no. Adams won. Burgh came in fourth. Jefferson came in second.
I knew Adams. In 1800 he was asked to run on the Republican Democratic ticket. That was the name of Jefferson's party. That was to the Whigs.
Right? Opposed to the federal. Opposed to the federal. So he played coy about running and he said he'd only do it.
If all of the... At this point, the way that the president and vice president was elected was whoever got the most votes in the electoral college became president, whoever got the second most votes became vice president. So each elector had two votes. Both of them were for president.
They weren't separated in president. Right. And so he said he would only run if the elector promised to... After they voted for Jefferson, who was running for...
Who was expecting president and he was expecting vice president, that all the electors would hold fast and vote for him. He didn't want to come in third or fourth. I really want this. Guys.
I'll only run if I'm going to win. So the plan was that everybody would vote for the candidate they won for president, which would be Jefferson. And then all of those same electors, except for one, would vote for the vice president, and then one would choose someone else so that the vice president would have one less vote in the president. But because of birds being pissy about it, they all voted for him.
So we got to tie. They voted for him because he was pissy about it. So in 1800, we got to tie between Jefferson and Aaron Burr who was supposed to be his running mate. Now Burr at first said that he wasn't going to contest the presidency with Jefferson, but then someone wrote an op-ed and a newspaper saying that he should...
Oh, it's just pain. He should say that if he was given the presidency that he wouldn't take it because Jefferson would say, well, I'm not going to do that. If I'm offered the presidency, I'm taking the presidency. Which of course, didn't fear him to his running mate, Jefferson.
No. Who would like that? And so the future patience. So the federalists, because it was a time when the House representative each state got one vote.
And you could only become president by getting a majority of states, not by majority of votes. So there were at that point, there were 16 states. So eight of them voted for Jefferson, six of them voted for Burr, and two of them abstained from voting because they were equally split between federalists and Republicans. And so they had 34 votes and then one changed their election.
Then they did a 35th. Finally, Hamilton broke some stuff in the state of the world. Of course. He said some bad things about him.
And so the federalists, eventually, in the two states that were abstaining, they abstained from voting. So those states then went for Jefferson. On the 36th ballot, Jefferson won and Burr became vice president. Which I handled the main good point.
Jefferson was very vocal about what his beliefs were and Burr was not. Yeah, because Hamilton didn't like Jefferson at all. No, he didn't like Jefferson at all. But he knew what Jefferson stood for.
That's exactly. And he didn't know what Burr stood for, even though he'd known Burr for years. Sure. So, so, you know, Burr becomes vice president and Jefferson freezes him out.
Yeah, of course. He's got to breathe him out. He's going to be able to say. He was literally.
So, so Burr, of course, doesn't like being frozen out because he's um, covered in power. Let's just show what he's saying. So anyway, he only spans three or four months a year in Washington DC. The rest of the time he's spending back in his home in New York City.
I don't think of it as a whole thing. Well, the legislature was only a session for three or four months. Anyway, his only job was to be president of the Senate. I mean, you're right.
Burr would have been a major politician. Modern times. You've been great. He would have been very good at that.
So anyway, he would be terrible. Right. He would have been good at the system. Oh, he would have been very good at the system.
So, Burr's at the pinnacle of his success. And he was wanting to be president. But now he's being frozen out by Jefferson. He's not getting any of his um, patron age.
He can't appoint anybody because Jefferson doesn't want any of his people around. So, he decides to run. And he knows that Jefferson isn't going to put him on the ticket in 1804 when they've changed the constitution. So, at this point, you're running his president and vice president.
You're not running for the top and second slot. Right. So, he decides, okay, while he's vice president, he runs for governor of New York. And Hamilton disparages him widely.
I would think more so as the governor than he would the vice president than the governor actually has. Well, he lost to a guy that nobody had ever heard of. But Hamilton went out of his way to say disparaging things about Burr. And so Burr broke to Hamilton.