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This is war! What the hell, Jeff? Hey! Name be not Jeff!
I belong to the Sirendeur dear Gingerlass! I don't think so, Senor. The Senorita de Roho is coming with us. She belongs to the Mexican people.
Who is that? Taco Bell? Do I say I get your wawa to you? No.
The chihuawa is dead. I kill him. Taco Bell is a fence to my people with it. Come get it back there, man.
Down with your taco bell. You bring shame to my people, and I ate your chihuahua. Oh, yeah, Taco! I thought I smelled sticky meat.
At least it's meat, your oily butter. Everybody's gonna go away now. The better I'm gonna take it down the window girl. It's going to be me, Captain Jabak's a viral.
Wait a minute. How dare ye? I told you, this is Wendy's a man. Now give it to your ship, and to your donkey, and to get out.
No, wait just a minute there's more. Who is this clown? It's me, Ron Lee Donald, and us redheads have to stick together. Come over here, Sparo.
Let's work it out over a milkshake and a hug. No, I won't, and yet I can't resist you. What's happening to me? What is this power you have over me?
It's the magical friend show. No, not in his own. No, doesn't that feel better than yelling and fighting? Yes, wait.
No, you squeeze it too tight. Your face. What's happening to your face? So many teeth.
Dairy Queen, what are you even doing here? I'm waiting for my friend Steak and Jake, they're coming to help me to smell. Oh, you just keep waiting for Steak and Jake. It'll get there eventually.
Steak face, bye bye. They're both chicken. What about the Burger King? Burger King, I always knew this day would come.
Tell Hamburgler, I forgive him. You've done it. Good job, Burger King. Like, Spider House Sub's guy.
Where's Jarrett from Subway? No, we won't be seeing him for a while. Quiz-knows. I don't know what that is.
There's an earthquake. What is that? A castle? A white castle.
It's in all of us. How would we ever defeat that thing? I don't see how we can, Burger King. I guess our own choices to take our own lives.
Surrender! You cannot beat the white castle. Give up! We have you surrounded.
He's right. The castle has completely engulfed us. There's only one way to maintain our dignity as we face the inevitable. Otherwise, our deaths will be far worse.
My God, you're right. I'll help you. It'll be easy for you if I kill you and then do myself in. Oh, okay.
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Indeed. Is that... Oh, you've got... What's this?
My castle? It's exploding! Reverse Power! It's too late, Spider.
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I killed every one of those motherfucks. Welcome to the wild card podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eden, and my co-pilots on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis. Oi!
And the man who laid siege to a KFC for three weeks until they gave him, quote, the right amount of gravy and a hug. Ron Blair. The funny thing is, I get so shitty sometimes about restaurants that that could be accurate. That could totally be accurate.
I will not leave. If it pisses me off as if I ask for a condiment like Tartarsaw for something, they give me a styrofoam cup that's like half full. I go with some other fuckers. I need more than this.
I require more dipping sauce than what you've provided. Yes. I need a whole cup. Some of the tartar structure is things, sauces.
Yeah, that's nuts, man. How much does those cios make? Yeah. You know, ah, fuck those guys.
He was generous with their sauce. Who's that? Zach's B's. Zach's B's is quite generous with their sauce.
And it's tasty. Yeah. I get their barbecue sauce. It's the best facet of our two sauce.
They're kind of like the Zach's sauce. You know, I've shit on Zach's B's a lot lately, but I have eaten a salad there recently. It was good. And the buffalo chicken dip is really good.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Jeff, thoughts?
Yeah, I've eaten that, Zach's B's. Perfect. I've got to. And on that note, Ron, go back to you now.
OK. I need you. Oh, I need you guys. Tell me this podcast is all about this podcast, is about taking a trip with us to a different land and different times.
It's about seeing the world as it was and how it has affected the people we have become. Well, there's no humor there. That was for real. That was for real guys.
Well, hopefully the camera will come from the favorite section because I had one pick out for the thing that I wasn't thrilled about. I was going to work. Yeah. I could definitely talk about it because it's us.
But then I was like, we don't have any. As I was getting ready this morning to come over here and do the podcasting, something popped in my mind. And I'm like, can I turn this to my favorite section? And so I did some some twiddling and fiddling.
Yeah. And I came up with this. You know what you can't. I did.
So our favorites is going to be an if we were, if we were this, what would that look like? OK? OK. We've got a few little scenarios here.
So if we were a band, we have us. We can be with some studio musicians who have a lot of occasionally as well. But what music we play? Jeff, this is mostly even.
We probably play bluesy rock. Yeah, I like bluesy rock a whole lot. Like Zeppelin bluesy rock or Stevie Rake Vaughn bluesy rock. I would say kind of Zeppelin eagles bluesy rock.
OK. I would make some stability jolocation. That's something I would sell this like. Yeah, that's nice.
You know, I'll be standing the most about it. I might be the only one here, but I do like 70s country. And that's the thing that I would include. I would say I was forced growing up to listen to a lot of 70s country because that's the only radio we could get in the car.
And that's all my dad would listen to. And so I know a lot of 70s country, but I don't want to perform it. I understand. I get it.
And I grew up with Eagles, Journey, Forner, and that's kind of my influence when I was young. But what we think of as classic rock, typical classic rock. Although I think I think there, well, we could break down many divisions of classic rock because it's so subdivided into so many stuff. You can't lump in Led Zeppelin with the Eagles.
Right. Or we have Peyote rock, which is the Eagles. Right. Right.
Exactly. I don't know. I don't know. But those are good choices.
We wouldn't be curious about anything. I don't think so. It'd be a wild card band. That's the exact thing.
It would be a lot of different genres and styles. Going off of that, what do each of us do in this band? Well, I'm the lead singer, of course. Yeah.
I thought that was a singer because I can't actually do anything else. Right. That's why we're all lead singers because Jeff, you're the only one with any talent. OK.
Well, Jeff, if you learn instruments, what instruments will we play? Well, I feel like you're going to sign me the drums. No, Jared gets the drums. Jared gets the drums.
Because I believe you might be able to keep time. I don't think you could keep time. So I'm the high man. So I'm the high man.
I'm the manager. I drive the bus. Fuck you guys. I don't want to be in a band anyway.
You can be a real team. This is a band is over. Jared Groopy. I have a Groopy.
I give you second-person rock. I'm just a leading man. Like, I figured the lowest I would get is bassist. And you guys just totally said no.
He's not good enough to be a bassist. There's no way. No, the bass. People think the bassist is low on the band.
But if you don't have a good bassist, your band sucks. The bass and the drum player are more important than either of the guitars. Let's get some straight here. I have rhythm to see what I did.
I got an impique there. Yeah, that's right. So Jeff, lead singer. I'm lead singer.
Lead singer. Lead guitar. I don't play guitar. So I'll be bored.
Lead, lead, lead, lead. I'll let Ron play guitar. Can I play the accordion? I would like to play the accordion on our band.
I'll play the tamarind. I'll play the tamarind. I think we should go side to go. I think we should be a side to guitar.
You're a guitar. Right. The big, the Robbie Shankar. Yeah, it's made out of a chord.
Like a huge chord. They're dropping. Yeah, I like that. Ron, I feel kind of attacked right now.
Well, you've been attacking yourself a lot of this. But no, it's not possible. Allow me to help Ron. OK, if we were a baseball team.
Yeah. What kind of baseball team would be? The best. The best.
The best. We would have at least one and a half good players. We were probably all half good. But I would want to be the catcher.
OK, that's what I was going to say. Give us our positions. Yeah, I would want to be the catcher. I think Jared, you'd be the pitcher.
Oh, yeah. And Jeff, because of your height, you would be the first baseman. OK, I just want to point out one flaw in our whole baseball team. That including me.
We're all all that. No, I'm all in the game. He's going to say that's on three of us. I've got no depth perception.
And so the likelihood that I'm going to catch a ball, throw the ball to the person I'm supposed to go to, or hit the ball with a bat. Our minimal, even if I was coordinated. OK, here. Let's use my managerial skills here, OK?
I can stand in the way of the base. The re-god. That's good. The reason I want you to be the first baseman is because when you see a ball coming, you can use your left eye to see it.
Because see depth perception won't matter. Because the first baseman, the ball is always coming from pretty much the same direction. And the runner is only coming from one direction. And you're tall.
You have a lot of stretch. So that's why I would put you first baseman. So you and Jared are going to play all the other positions. No, we've all got to go.
What's on second? I don't know. It's on third. There's some outfielders.
I don't remember their names because they don't matter. Yeah. That's horrible. Outfielders are great.
Outfielders are like a heart of the team. They use a lot of matters too. They are. That's the thing.
Like Sammy Sosa was outfield. And, hey, Sammy Sosa had a cannon for an arm, like a ridiculous cannon for normal, unnatural for someone that small and was an amazing hitter. Where did he get the gunpowder for his cannon? Well, he's gonna carry it with him or it's Puerto Rican.
It's Puerto Rican. They all carry gunpowder pouches with him. I think what we do is we'll take care of the Intellers. I want to apologize every Puerto Rican out there listening to the podcast.
It's true. I don't know. Puerto Rican. They'll all have, you'll be like, show me your pouch and they'll be like, see?
It's happened. I've done it before. I used to live in Puerto Rico. OK.
I was a freedom fighter for the Puerto Rican Underground. I was a part of the Army, I was a part of the Army, I was on my side. I was the Italy. Whoever's winning, that's whatever side I'm on.
You was Italy. Look, I've done it in a fight. Who's winning? That's it.
I'm on. That's how it works. So back to our baseball team. Since we're only in fillers, what I would say, James, we have to do.
If you were in World War, what would suggest is that we are just, we can script some angels in the outfield. That's a good idea. Which I've never seen that film. Oh, I love it.
I was an adult. I liked it. But Christopher Lloyd's in that. And, as an angel?
Yeah. Wait. Is he not an angel? They were like two movies.
He gets from home alone. Tall guy from home alone. That's the one. That's the one.
No. He was invited to rookie. I think he was the one where the picture, like the kid broke his arm and became a super rookie. That's right.
That's rookie of the year. That's for next year. Oh, League of their own. All women.
Yeah. Which, that one was. That one was. Well, he was a person.
But he was a person. Major League. Major League. Tom Selleck.
No, that was a court in Burnstone. Dave Berninger Tom Selleck did a Japanese. Yeah, all of these came out. The natural?
He's gonna get Tom Selle, just let me stop you there. Did you know that he had a part in the 1970s, something movie about the Battle of Midway? No. Tom Selle is in that movie.
It's pre-Magnum PI, and he's in there with Henry Fonda, and- Legend, that's a legend. Yeah, and I'm Charlton Heston. That's a legend right there. And Tom Selle has a small part, he doesn't interact with either of them, but he's in the Battle of Midway.
Yeah, Midway, that's a bad one. Did you know he was originally Indiana Jones? And Tom Selle, he could not play Indiana Jones because of his Magnum PI contract, and so they were like, who do we get? What about Harrison Ford?
Okay. I can't imagine it being as successful. Can you imagine anything about Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones during that time period? And I can see why they went with Tom Selle, because he had name, there was a name brand there, and he was strapping in my own what you think, but he's not Harrison Ford.
It would have been a different Indiana Jones. It might have worked just as well. It would have been more, but it would have, I think he would have played the part, and I think he would have liked it. It would have been a different movie, it would have been a different experience, and it would be a different iconic Indiana Jones.
I don't know that it would be iconic. It might not be. Yeah, with him, I think it would have been more pandering to the audience, with him in the role. Because if you choose a guy, based on his name, and box office, Cassie, and all that, then that's fine, but you're not doing it for an artistic reason.
Well, here's the thing about Tom Selle. And putting aside that, he sits on the NRA board, and he's a pretty conservative Republican. He's actually a pretty good actor. Yeah, he's not bad.
Harrison Ford is bad. And if you look at, I mean, you got magnum PI, which is him just playing the same part, but he's made a number of other movies, most of them which didn't get widely watched, and then some of that he was miscast. But if you see him in other movies that play to a strike, like quickly down under, which is one of my favorites. It's one of my favorite Western movies, and it's an Australian Western movie that stars.
Mark Harmon? No, it stars the same guy from the bad guy from Die Hard. Yeah, Alan Rickman is the bad guy in it. And it's actually a really enjoyable movie.
I've always thought of watching it. I'll watch it now. He's probably not as versatile or as good as Harrison Ford, but he's more versatile than I think people give him credit for. And I mean to him, so let me hop in, because I just said that, here's the more subtle actor.
That is not entirely true. He is an incredibly talented actor who has very little range. No, I buy that. What he does is great.
What's so does Bill Murray? Well, what I was going to say, because they talked about rebooting in Jones recently, and then Chris Pratt was thrown out. And I think it's an excellent thing, because he is here as important that he does one thing, but it's so entertaining. Yeah, and it's very solo-esque.
Yeah. Back to our, if we were, because we were talking about Westerns a moment ago, last week, I watched the remake of Magnificent Seven. Oh, that's so good. I've seen the remake.
I've not seen the original. I've never seen the original. I've seen the original so many times that when I accidentally started watching the remake, I turned off because I said, this isn't the movie I wanted to see. You know that's fun.
And it might be. But I would have to go into expecting the remake so that I could be ready to watch another remake. I'm not coming into expecting to watch the original. And then it's the remake.
No, no, wait, no. I know you stated recently that what was it? The Great Escape had the best soundtrack ever? Or was it one of those?
The Great Escape is my favorite soundtrack. You know, Magnificent Seven. Well, Magnificent Seven is also up there in the Bernstein. Bernstein just had that.
Oh, Magnificent Seven is probably one of my favorite soundtracks. So if we were the magnificence of three, well, what did you make me make? I don't know if everyone has their thing they do. I know what I would be.
I would be the last one that everybody goes to. And it's like the crazy trapper for your guy. Magnificent enough for your character. Yes, yes, yes.
He was the first one he died of the team. He was the first one to die. He was the cool character. I love that guy.
He's the wild card. I was going to say with the first character. He's the gambler who was kind of like, oh, he was kind of the Han Solo pointing out how ridiculous this is, pointing out. There's no chance we're going to win, but then also being the last one who sacrificed himself to stop the villains.
Right. So I'll talk about the rhythm. I'll be the Charles Brownson character. I don't know which one that I'm about.
He's one of the two that survived. He's the one who, you know, he's more of the, in the beginning, he's the one chopping wood that they come and get him, but he's like more emotionally, he cares about the people that they're helping with more than just the paycheck. It's more than that. That's kind of the Washington character in this one.
Yeah, I was watching this in it. He plays omega. Wrong. Sorry.
I know I would put you as, I would put you run as the threat. I actually went, Jeff is the boond character. A wild man who's, uh, fights with like Tomahawks, but also guns, and I would put myself in the hot character. He was the one with the rifle who shot from the distance, but had a hard time killing again because he thought he had PTSD.
Yeah. Yeah. That's great. What a great movie.
But I can also see if we were just like putting ourselves together as a squad, I can see running an explosive guy. I like explosives and I like blowing things. Chris Brad did that. That's why I enjoyed it.
He's the rogue who blows things up. I'm a good shot. I'm a very good shot. Yeah.
So, um, in the remake, did they use the same music? Yeah, it seems something. I can't remember. I know the video.
I love it. How could you not though? I don't want to watch the movie with that thing on it. Yeah.
Okay. I saw a website that broke down the remake of the magazine 7, the original magazine 7, and 7 Samurai. And compared all three of them for like different categories. And it was like, they're all good.
They're all fun. Yeah. Well, Akira, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, the samurai is legendary. That's the first one that came out, right?
Right. Yeah. I've never seen one of his films, but, uh, back in those days, it really informed Westerns later on or action movies, uh, the Kurosawa films, which I've heard of phenomenal. And they must be because he's legendary.
All right, guys. If you can think of what the wild cards will be like as a band or a baseball team or the Magnificent Seven, right? I would. Or we have a fan as well.
Yeah. Join the team. Finan. We need four more in the seven.
We need more in the baseball team. Yeah. We need six more. We need to mention musicians in the fan.
Wait. Yeah. Cause I'm just a goddamn roadie. Groovy.
I'll drive the van. Speaking of being a groupie. It's Ron Blair's turn. It's a rock-sewed, Dan.
It's a rock-sewed. Uh, before I begin, I would like to... I would like to stop everyone. I would like to stop everyone from your phone again.
I'd like to get back to commercial from your phone again. I was going to get back to commercial. Because it did something weird. I would like to read a letter to you from someone very important to me.
Um, the letters to Jared? I would like to eat this donut. Someone that was written by someone. That was very important to me.
But someone who was written by someone. Yeah. Somebody was written. was written by someone who was very important to me but someone who was written by someone yeah somebody was written by somebody okay okay I'm waiting for my phone to load to be it's always gets blurry and I think oh I'm not sure of that at all you know I read this earlier no it's blurry god damn it why it's messing up my whole my whole episode okay I'm gonna read this ready dear mr.
Vernon we accept the fact that we had to no I can't fucking read this thing see if you can do it oh shit right oh gosh you mr. Vernon we accept the fact that we had to get like seriously hold on my reading something a whole sad we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday detention for whatever it was we did wrong but we think you're crazy make us write an essay telling you who we think we are you see us as you want to see us in the simplest terms in the most convenient definitions but what we found out is that each one of us is a brain and an athlete and a basket case a princess and a criminal does that answer your question sincerely yours the breakfast that's right you know what today is it's time for the John Hughes it's not for the John Hughes report by me and I had all kinds of fun stuff set up on my phone and now it didn't work wait here we go nope okay good thing the actual reports right now damn it I just wanted to play a little music you know I wanted to play a little simple lines well let's just talk about John Hughes don't forget about me I wanted to hear that wrong all the jeering at the beginning it's an overrated song oh I think you're an overrated human being I think I am not rated at all I'm so sensitive about John Hughes yeah we're gonna talk about John Hughes because that was what was assigned to me a few months ago Jeff said yes that one and it was really good suggesting but I think you said you were like because you already know about John Hughes yeah and that's not true I know about John Hughes films yeah I'm pretty good on those but man did I learn a lot about the man John Hughes you do some of it though because I started out with at the National Lampoon didn't I didn't know what happened before the lampoon right and I didn't know how closely his life would appear up on screen later on like when he wrote he wrote specifically these well we'll get to it well more information about National Lampoon go to the wild cards get lampoon get lampoon to get them to get them to to the lampooning electric lampoon yeah anyway John Hughes was born in February 18th 1950 in Lansing Michigan to parents parents let me stop there parents let me stop wait was he born to the parents or to the parents of the parents no no they were his parents they were his mom dad I think his his mom did a lot of charity work in the devil's a salesman I want to point out that Ron has two marks on his neck yeah it could be anything it's fucking weird and I'm kind of scared I think that's why if this is a lot it's probably because he's been tainted by warlocks warlocks vampire I think well thing he's making a movie about vampires and they were which was we were working on it yesterday so it's it's kind of strange that now he has vampire marks on my neck but it happened Friday night the night before I started working on the film and they knew that if you were making a film up and they wanted you to be right for it I think this is them wanting to stop me from making the film but I don't seem to have any more sensitivity to light like I should by this point I still have an appetite food doesn't make me sick like I it's not no Jared's the vampire but don't you actually have to drink the vampire blood for you to turn into a vampire yeah then drinking your blood is them just having a snack but whatever got me got me in my sleep like but no I didn't even notice it I was playing red dead redemption and all of a sudden my neck hurt and I felt up there and it was a little swollen and I went oh that's a lymph node I'm probably gonna die pretty soon like six to eight because it's all cancer it's everything is cancer I have two lesions on my neck cancer automatically so John parents right John had parents and he's born in 1950 he was born in 1950 until he was 12 years old he lived in Gross Point Michigan he was a huge Detroit Red Wing fan that's why we see Cameron wearing a Red Wing's jersey in Ferris Bueller's Day Off because he would think he would wear like a Black Hawk jersey being in Chicago and that wasn't a problem the sausage King of Chicago I've got a point machine of Gross Point Michigan in 1962 the family moved to the wealthy commuter neighborhood of Northbrook Illinois near Chicago and for John this created a bit of class anxiety because his family was not didn't fit the wealthy commuter profile of that particular neighborhood and if you see his when you watch his films the class disparity is evident like that that influenced him you can see it prevalent in the Breakfast Club and that's a big part of the Breakfast Club the great outdoors which he wrote home alone which he wrote produced Plains trains and automobiles it's which he wrote and directed Uncle Buck which he wrote in the record pretty imping which he wrote and some kind of wonderful that'd be stuff you've ever seen Uncle Buck nope are you shitting me I've never seen a lot of people have seen Uncle Buck it's legendary I think for people my legendary is that for people my agency no Uncle Buck let me look up it's not about the other three you can go on okay no it's not about Henry Uncle Buck is so good it's so funny it's a McCauley-Calkins debut and he's hilarious in the little film it was around 88 89 just just funny but anyway and then premium pink and some kind of wonderful are pretty much the same movie except Eric Stoltz is Molly Ringwald and Mary Stewart Masterson is John Cryer and like some kind of wonderful is Eric Stoltz who comes from a poor neighborhood and falls in love with a rich girl I can't remember who plays her maybe Leah Thompson but I'm not sure that Molly Ringwald was a no no no she was pretty in pink with John Cryer and Andrew McCarthy where poor girl falls in love with a rich guy and he has a best friend she has a best friend there in the middle that's also in love with her and then some kind of wonderful as Eric Stoltz is a poor guy Mary Stewart Masterson is his best friend and then girl I don't I can't remember maybe Leah Thompson is the is the object of interest of the upper class object of interest either way both films are about I can't find love because I'm poor and the rich is a thing and I look as a 7.0 out of 10 on I'm to be underrated it's not a score of 51 underrated under eight hundred it's box up is on the other hand budget was 15 million yeah gross was just under 80 million yeah that's not bad it was a good idea and it's great movie it's fun to start I can't John Candy McCollicolle well you said but you didn't say John Candy yeah I thought everybody knew that I thought John Candy I thought Buck Henry started Uncle Buck no I don't know Buck Henry had no career except for he wrote a few things and it's Saturday Night Live and that was the end of Buck Henry that's why I didn't want to watch movie about Uncle Buck Henry no oh god can you imagine now it's not respect Buck Henry but can you imagine how boring the Buck Henry film would be exactly did you know there was an opportunity show yes I'm kind of meaning it was ill-fated last of the jam so it did not was not well written I never watched it then there's a lot in 2016 what the fuck is your mic apps bullshit I didn't know about it I didn't know about it I was I can take this moment back episodes they just they want to capitalize on the name of it but it was a perfect storm of John Hughes John Candy all of these things coming together to make the John Hugh oh god John Hughes made films that I don't think can be remade you can't recapture what John Hughes made because they're so in his world so distinctive in these films and they really are tied into the time with the films are yes yes it would take some of a lot of different vision to take what the heart of those movies is but find a way to put it in these times right what I was telling McKinsey just yesterday or the day before that but only now I think could you successfully remake the Breakfast Club that you have to be very careful I don't think you could have done it five to ten years ago and I think I think if you did the Breakfast Club now it would need to be like the athlete is secretly gay yeah Allison Allison and Alis and Alis and Alis and Alis and Alis and it absolutely would but I think these things need to be explored in the breakfast club is a good way to explore teen angst and these are the problems where we would have one of them probably the Anthony Michael Hall being asexual and when you when you're in high school you feel these sexual pressures and if you're just not interested then that kind of makes you an outcast so I think I think if you did the Breakfast Club you would explore I think it would be a great time period for it though yeah now working with my first time you could ever do it though I don't think you could have done it five years ago I think it would be great for these kids to realize that yeah you're different but it was also different too we're all different and that's what made the Breakfast Club you know a great movie because all of these people you see the the stoners in the hallway and you think well I got nothing in common with those guys but all of this angst comes from the same place man that's still your experiences may be different like John Bender was being abused or whatever the athlete immediately West of his dad was hard on him because he's an athlete but there's still the same kind of strained relationships you have with parents and teachers and you're just trying to figure shit out and I think while the Breakfast Club is timely yeah it appeals to high school students of every age throughout the years I think only now could you successfully do that format of a film and have relevant teenage experiences from now yeah because I think only now has it changed so drastically in the last few years or at least we're only seeing it having changed somewhat and something say the same but that John Hughes nailed that perfectly anyway back to the beginning with John Hughes he attended Glenbrook North High School which was the inspiration for Sherman High School that was his high school and many of the teen films early on the fictional school featured in many of his films during his senior whoa I just moved on hold on Sherman High School the fictional school that was featured in many of his films during his senior year he met and fell in love with Nancy Ludwig and this was weird for someone as successful as John Hughes they were married in 1970 when Hughes was 20 and Ludwig was 19 so they were still kids when they got married you don't often you're getting married and starting a family and then and then pursuing a filmmaking career yeah because you know you gotta it's dangerous it's day when you're when you're an actor you got enough money to live off of for you and that's about it so maybe he he's one of the few people that I think got it right like he got the family he got the jobs that he wanted but he well we'll get more to it and they tell you guys until he passed away until he died in 2009 there's all the other two children well we'll get all that after high school John attended the University of Arizona that dropped out after two years he moved back to Chicago where he worked at various factories including a printing lab and some supplemented his income by selling jokes to comedians he sold them to Rodney Deere for some reason I'm imagining Van Parked in an alleyway trench coat he's got Rodney I got so what does he do he goes to a nightclub meets Rodney Deere I got some jokes you want to buy him no I don't know how you may not use so joke well that's like a thing like I believe it I just don't know from Chicago I know and there's something John's use a still mystery to me I've researched the shit out on the last few days and he's still a mystery some of this stuff so I don't know whether he mailed like Rodney Danger films and hey I'm a joke for you a few shotgun shotgun mailing jokes that's right right or did he just go see them in Chicago right here's a taste like Phyllis Phyllis come up to the alley I've got a great joke for you anyone their hooky waters about right I'm running to feel says I'll give you five bucks right and says no no I need twenty bucks for this joke no it's no bit it's a five-dollar job no no I need twenty dollars no no no no no no no no no joke I don't need that so they haggle over the price of this joke I don't have twenty dollars no respect any other self-jones I love to get please write them here I also wrote for any young men which flummoxed me because I'm like any young man had to be ninety years old by the time I don't know that if you was right he did all the one-liners like here you go why why do Jewish men die before Jew or why did you wish husband's I before Jewish wives what that they want to that's the kind of that's the kind of jokes any young man but he was this legend who had to have had a ream upon ream of these one-liner jokes yeah but you can't keep using over I guess that's true for just like that you they've got a little fresh it's got to be fresh you can do it for like a you can't repeat it to the same audience ever that's true and I'm wondering if any young man by that age was like I got nothing left I'm just gonna buy some jokes from this huge kid this alleyway and do a bit right and he had to seriously he had to win in his seventies or eighties by the seventies like he wouldn't buy himself he'd sit down to the representative to go down to the alley and meet this go down to the alley and meet this guy either he's meeting John Hughes in the back room next to the poker game the letting one see what you got what you got for us today John Hughes I'm I'm going up in ten minutes any row for John Rivers too I can imagine John Hughes writing a tone rivers joke but whatever apparently the man just wrote all the time that was his life was just writing writing writing so and while he it must have been amazing to hear these jokes on the tonight show like hearing jokes before another tonight show but the five to ten dollars he received her jokes you can raise a family on that well so let's get writing writing writing joke I'm gonna pay very much get royalties every time that joke is told and I've always got five to ten dollars you would write a joke and somebody would say yeah I like that joke I'll give you five bucks word ten bucks for it and you know you make beer money off of it something like that but the guy's married at this point that how many jokes give you sell a day two three maybe maybe so I can't imagine fifteen to thirty bucks a day if you're working every day and selling and if you're good enough to sell jokes every day I can imagine this door from like I can see all this right jokes attention stand-ups but it was his reputation as a joke writer that ended up getting him an entry-level job at Neenam Harbor and Steers which was an advertising company in Chicago in 1974 he left Neen Harbor and Steers for the most prestigious agency in Chicago Lee O'Brenette his supervisor Rob Nolan remembers he was as being a juggernaut of creativity was constantly on typewriter fueled by cigarettes and coffee constantly just tapping it out and Hughes as a creative entity flourished at Bernat we know he's brilliant you know we know he's such a good writer but it was at Bernat where he ended up creating two ad campaigns that Jeff you might remember one of them was the edge shaving cream credit card test where they would run a credit card over that and it was all smooth he invented that and the other campaign was he created a big yellow Kellogg's sugar corn pops mass no no this is like a time for time or thing yeah it's the same thing it's a little tiny nugget that's dressed up like a cowboy all right a sugar pop yeah I remember that I don't I don't I remember the edge gel but I don't remember big yellow and any other commercials but the success from those two led him to receiving the account he was assigned the account for Virginia Slim cigarettes which required him to fly to New York frequently at this point he's going from a writer to doing more administrative stuff because he was so successful at it that he was given this rigid to be in charge of the Virginia so they would fly him to New York regularly and the greatest benefit to John Hughes was that while he was in New York he got to hang around at the National Land Food offices which was his favorite magazine at the time yeah so how does he hang around there he just shows up and says I want to hang out with you guys well you remember how loose the environment would have been there you show up and you're like hey I'm a writer I wrote this stuff and you just hang around with those guys yeah yeah it's 1977 somewhere out there so yeah those guys are so poked out so where can I go to just hang out with other people who have a magazine or making a movie or recording and just walk in say I'm I'm a creative person I just want to hang out with you guys because you're cool let me ask you here's the answer every Sunday every Sunday right here well right here in the studio that's true I don't know but have you ever had the balls to walk into a magazine office and go hey I'm gonna hang out for a while no John Hughes had the balls that's why that's why it's John Hughes I don't know what the story I think you must admit somebody was invited well at that time maybe I don't know it's it's one of those unclear things I like to think that he just showed up and he's like where's Doug is Doug still around I want to talk to him which did not of course PJ O'Rourke was the editor-in-chief at the time but he and PJ came really good friends yeah so I don't know how he was introduced in there how he showed up I can't imagine my glow down you're not shooting him like waiting with a sniper rifle looking down on the street that people come into the building because he wasn't not but anyway he would hang out with the National Lampoon and he well maybe this is why he had already had some of his pieces published in Playboy short stories but of course in Playboy was prestigious a lampoon if you're a comedy writer in the late 70s where else are you gonna go in America that's the national level of money I like to think that most of the families you see in John Hughes films that's the level of middle class that he was probably yeah and if he was working for the top from in Chicago yeah I'll count this big I feel like he'd be doing a big-time management or something like that well if you look at his films a lot of its upper middle class folks like 16 candles the main family and that's a huge house that's a big old house and then the one the family lives in an uncle buck huge house and I think that's the environment that he knew growing up even though he didn't feel a part of it and when he became an ad exec you know he was making that kind of money right that he illustrated later on the Ferris Bueller money that's the world that he knew but anyway he's hanging around there and he's hanging around National Lampoon and of course hanging out there he ended up working his way into the magazine and he developed a really good friendship with P.J. O'Rourke as I said earlier they despite P.J. O'Rourke being more conservative at least compared to the former hippies at Lampoon he became friends with a lot of the more liberal writers at the time John Hughes I think he'd been one of them and right at the time John Hughes started hanging out O'Rourke had had an idea at doing an elaborate parody of a Sunday newspaper in the Midwest you know every issue was a parody of something and with P.J.
O'Rourke he wanted he was from Toledo so he wanted to do more than Midwestern thing rather where Doug and Henry were doing the Harvard upper class East Coast kind of thing O'Rourke was looking at the Midwest and of course John Hughes and him are gonna click him being from Detroit Chicago O'Rourke being from Toledo so so John Hughes understood what he was talking about deeply rooted in the Midwest and so he worked with O'Rourke very closely on doing this this purity now did you give up his ad exec job or was he doing that at the same time well it funny that's the next paragraph I get to it because I find this funny eventually his boss Nolan discovered that Hughes had been splitting his work time between the Lampoon and the ad agency Nolan but Nolan was he seems like a cool guy no one made a deal with Hughes that Hughes could take his morning to do whatever personal work he wanted whatever he wanted to do he could do it in the morning as long as all of his work that was done that afternoon and then later on Hughes admitted to Nolan that he would sometimes fly to New York and back on the same day completely on Lampoon business without Nolan knowing about it and tell me if this isn't Ferris Bueller like whenever he flew out he would leave a full cup of coffee on his desk to create the illusion he stepped away from it and he was coming right back that's brilliant yeah and often this isn't in the report but often John Hughes people would ask him they're like well what character are you in Ferris Bueller what character are you in in breakfast club or what kid in breakfast club he's all of them yeah everyone and in Ferris Bueller everybody assumed that he was more Cameron oh and John Hughes was a Ferris camera oh no yeah he was told I don't feel like you write that story unless your fair is not you know yeah you you can't write you know you know Elmo Elmo Elmo Elmo I feel like John he was new a lot of Cameron's in his life and made him sad to see people like that not living yeah yeah yeah cuz John Hughes if if nothing else is more obvious John Hughes had the balls to just go out and grab whatever he was he was wanting at the time so in 1979 a work convinced you to give up his advertising work and and come to work at the Lampoon full-time and while John Hughes did do this because right after Animal House so Lampoon is big huge at this time despite this he was refused to move his family to New York he called it a great city if you cleaned it up and moved everything back ten feet yeah which makes sense if you've ever been to Chicago and New York you understand where he was coming from I prefer to York but that's because Chicago burned down in the Great Fire and they rebuilt it all the same foundations that it was has been for the last couple hundred years and when you're on an island there's only so much space that you can use you got a squeeze my secret island has plenty of space my secret island is a lot of fun yeah I'm a Donnel is there I want to go I want to write a little elevator down a glass elevator right yeah I would undersea yeah I don't know what that means anyway everybody at Lampoon at this point was given an opportunity like the producers of the producers in Hollywood were all over National Union writers they were they were going after this guy based on the strength of Animal House so unfortunately as he was proficiency as a writer it did not immediately translate into screenwriting success right and it's difficult to go from one bit to you know so structure with one thing to write little ads that are what 30 seconds maybe a minute or to be writing your joke that's a few seconds and then it's it's a difference between writing a song and writing a musical or writing a short story and writing a book it's a different format you it doesn't mean you can't do both but it's a different format and being able to come up with stories that are long enough to fill a movie as opposed to a 30 hour 30 seconds even articles he wrote for Lampoon which is 500 to a thousand words but it's a short stories it's essays it's stuff like that what is 500 to a thousand words a page two pages a couple pages a screenplay is 90 to 120 pages long yeah and some of them go up to 200 or something like that in fact we're I don't know how long the breakfast club was but they were a million feet of film recorded for that film several scripts were frank and signed we're not gonna really touch on that a lot but anyway so writing was different he had his challenges and the first job he got as a screenwriter was for the animal house TV spinoff Delta House which if you guys have never heard of it I have bears a reason it fell apart almost as soon as it was put together because you can't capture the animal house liking and put it on TV you have to clean it up so much to have it on the TV there's no way there's no way there's an animal house and John Belushi getting a boater and falling off a ladder because of that and you can't do that on TV I mean you could I have you're gonna be in trouble you're gonna be in trouble Jared I've gotten a ladder and fall a little before you have a ladder we've got a ladder we've got a ladder and I fell on my dick he was then hired as a writer on the National Lampoon follow up to Animal House class reunion which I may have mentioned this on the show I don't know if I have it's a horror movie spoof which failed spectacularly that's probably but later years it garnered a cult following I am in that cold I think it's the funniest guy in the movie I think it's hilarious but it feels dumb it's dumb and I can see why I'm in the cult that enjoys it's a horrible movie right I enjoy the experience of this but it sucks you know is bad you love it you love it I don't know whether I said class reunion but that's up there for me I love that movie I still hate the 98 Godzilla horrible it was horrible anyway it was at this time unbeknownst to Hughes Warner Brothers had purchased the rights to a short story Hughes had written really he had written for the Lampoon it was entitled vacation 58 Warner Brothers had purchased it is about a suburban's family disastrous cross-country drive from Detroit to Disneyland right how that could ever work Maddie Simmons if you guys remember Maddie from the National Lampoon he invited Hughes to adapt that story for the screen so John Hughes is having two failed experiences and not just failed spectacular like with great aplomb these films failed and now Maddie wants him to write the next Lampoon film jump forward to the summer of 1983 not only did John Hughes have a massive massive hit with National Lampoon's vacation directed by Harold Ramis starring Jimmy Chase and important to note also starring Anthony Michael Hall who will make appearances later yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm in here in that same year Mr. Mom was released my book is so good Aaron spelling produced it which is kind of weird for Aaron because he's a TV guy with love boat fantasy I know what you want to later but despite the success of these films he was didn't like he didn't care for the experience he was wrote Mr. Mom he wrote Mr. Mom I didn't know until I was researching and I've seen Mr.
Mom like 20 times I love that movie and he was the problem with he was a control freak and when he wrote a story he wanted what was in his head to make it on to film and with vacation that didn't happen with Mr. Mom that didn't particularly happen all great movies I don't think you could argue that in in the movies the only person who has control of what ends up on that screen is the director not well sometimes the producer does as well like you got to do this with the writer no you you've solved your rights and unless it's a contract that these things have to remain you get you know the only thing the writer controls are is if he writes a play he has control over that but not movies I'm also talking here though about as artists yeah we're never satisfied well that's true and I think that's another John Hughes problem when he worked on advertising he micromanaged every aspect of it and everything that he wanted was on there and when it came to film he had to sacrifice so much of what he wanted or what because I guarantee the National Impuse vacation was more about the kids that was what vacation 58 was but then you you you hired Chippy Chase and you get all these cameo guys and then he comes a whole different thing with Caddy check the same thing that happened with Caddy check that made Doug O'Fucka's business yeah is the same thing that John Hughes went through during vacation where it wasn't what John Hughes had wanted and I think that's why he didn't care for the experience with its Harold Raines's movie it's just you know he may know story John Hughes but we know film and that's exactly I love both those movie vacation is online it's quiet it's so damn good so Hughes of course was eager to direct at this point in the early 80s let me see where I am he went about creating the fictional town of Sherman at that point after those two films and that Sherman is the nexus of suburban existence in the Chicago area in the Midwest you just say Midwest altogether even though it's largely the Chicago area in later years Hughes would advise that the upper middle class character of Sam played by Molly Ringwald in 16 Campbell's would have been a passing acquaintance of Ferris Bueller in the same little town the character of John Bender from the breakfast club played by Jeff Nelson would have lived in the same neighborhood as John Candy's Del Griffith from Plains and automobiles it's it's a town with multiple classes like John had created Schurmer so much more fully than we ever saw yeah it had certain parts of town like the poor people from pretty in pink and the rich people from some kind of one of its how much would you enjoy at John Hughes theme park where it's like film sets more so the rides it would be amazing I would see the town to go to the high school from right I would like to think it's like the universal rides where it's more 3d experience and you're riding through the town and there's a little vacation in your car ride I like the I like the breakfast club ride which makes you feel tin teen angst for 15 minutes yeah we just sit there and people annoy the shit out and you have to write a reporter and you have to write a report by the right right right that's part of the theme park so before we really get into his directing career I do want to talk about how Hughes had his finger on the pulse of teen angst and I think part of the reason is Hughes had stated at that age it feels as good to feel bad as it does to feel good I argue that it means I work with teenagers right you've seen it every day has the potential to be the worst day ever like 16 Campbell's or the best day ever like Ferris Bueller's day off for Hughes it was more of a mission than it was just a movie to illustrate the unique existence of an average teenager this was partly due to that he and Nancy had married so young that they ended up having more in common with the teenagers that live next door in these really nice and middle-class urban areas than they did with the neighbors the homeowners so he had noticed though how different these 14 and 15 year old kids how their lives and world views were so different from his own and Hughes figured out that his generation the baby boomer boomer's him being born in 1950 baby boomer's back tomorrow back tomorrow they had sucked up so much of society's attention because they were the baby boomers were attention wars they wanted it you know all of that and so their kids the youths were struggling to discover their own identity because of that yeah they were forgotten by the me generation and so these these kids had legitimate feelings they had valid feelings and valid complaints about the world and baby boomers were like fuck you what do you know your kids and there wasn't attitude in the 70s and 80s if I'm not mistaken Jeff I don't know if you remember but there was a lot of there's always that attitude I guess I was out of attitude that you don't know anything you know what you know you know that you have to do the doors you know anything special to the baby boomers well maybe not our boomers but yeah I think that's what John Hughes wanted to show that was that these kids are like constantly screaming at parents to say this is my problem this is real to me and the parents would just in the breakfast club you don't know what it's gonna be like right you don't know you're gonna say you don't know what problems are yet but I love it Ali Sheedian says says in the breakfast club because they're all bitches about their parents and they ask Ali Sheedian what they do to her and she says they ignore me and I think that that really says a lot about the characters John Hughes wrote these kids feel ignored they feel like they're not being listened to it's an Ali Sheedian character the one who goes to detention not to not decide she doesn't have anything to do because that's how you see her like it she has nothing to do so she just goes to more education she was like so most of us got she's like yeah everyone made a made a whole made it yeah yeah that's right and all over her he was not as a kid yeah Nelson was a great guy ever something like that somebody coffee because that's my Nelson yeah she was yang or yeah yeah yeah yeah God she was the best he was like every time Ali Sheedian made an appearance in that hit her and Mary the guy that played Mary oh man yeah anyway we're gonna jump back to 1982 prior to vacation Hughes and that before the success of those film he had already made a deal with an M films to direct a script he had written called detention which was the least comedic of now he's known as a comedy writer at this time but detention was not funny you know for the most part there's a few funny moments but and Hughes had been approved for a $1 million budget but Hughes was concerned being a first time director that detention had the huge potential to be commercially unsuccessful if if that movie failed John Hughes fails as a director he's not no one's gonna trust you again that's it so instead he decided to write more commercially appealing work with which to premiere his directorial skills at this time he had access to several headshots actor headshots coming in and he saw one of Molly Ringwald and he ended up taking that one out of the pile and posting it to a corkboard and he started writing 16 candles for her for her say he had never met her he just saw that picture and that's the girl and ended up you know it made both of their careers finding her and saying she's wonderful he wrote 16 candles over the course of a July 4th weekend this is how prolific this guy is yeah pounded it out why has anyone found your two headshots and been like I can write stories I know I know I'm not going to hide I don't understand that we are we're jekyll hides that's exactly what we are so anyway during the course of a July 4th weekend Hughes wrote the story of a regular girl from Sherman Illinois whose family is so focused on her sisters upcoming wedding that they forget about her 16th birthday the script was immediately optioned by Ned Tannen former president of Universal who had just left the studio to begin his own independent company Channel Productions while at Universal Tannen was the overseer films like Animal House American graffiti and fast times of Ridgemonte so he's got that so he's that's exactly it he's also on the pulse and not only that but Tannen had shown that he was willing to take a chance on New Towner especially in the case with Ridgemonte high the new director the director of that was Amy Heckerling and first of all had done nothing second wall was a woman wanting to redirect on Hollywood and that's Nett and a giver that shot and Cameron Crow was the screenwriter behind that brand he had worked for Rolling Stone when he was like a kid when he was 15 16 or 17 and so he gave those guys a shot of course Ridgemonte highly came legendary with her 18th film at the time and so Tannen agreed to adopt detention which would become known as the Breakfast Club and that was actually the nickname one of John Hugh Sun said given to in school detention he called the Guild of the Breakfast Club that always seemed to be and it was not during the weekend it was not on Saturday it was just before school yeah so he always called them the breakfast those guys are members of the Breakfast Club and Tannen agreed to do that as long as he was made 16 candles first because he candles as a safer bet it's more commercially appealing so Tannen presented with the precise kind of opportunity was looking for he was had agreed I don't want to open up with breakfast club that's not the one we'll start with so despite its positive review 16 candles fell a little bit short of Universal's box office expectations it didn't become a hit till later on VHS which is great the new format a film you can see in 16 candles really busted out budget 16 candles with six and a half million gross was about 23 and a half yeah not not money but it's not awesome but then on VHS that's where it found it yeah but if it made money it didn't lose money then right and that's the thing we're like oh John used to reckon a stinker but we don't have much of money it's gonna make a little bit or you're trying to win well yeah but if you know that this guy didn't lose the six million dollars I gave him I he made me some of them will give him six million dollars to make something else and he already said I'm gonna let you do the breakfast club we got to do 16 candles first little better breakfast Bob holy shit we're getting that soon it did what 16 candles did well enough that Tannen said okay you're good on the breakfast club and the biggest thing that came out of it was he was forming such a tight bond with Molly Rignol and Anthony Michael Hall in 16 candles and they had both turned just 15 during 16 candles if you've ever seen those films these are not the acting chops of a 15 year old we've seen 15 year old act and those kids are brilliant I mean they're as good as any legendary actor they're brilliant in those films in fact this led to during the breakfast club they were seen as the teachers pets among the rest of the cast and of course the rest of the cast is in the early 20s John Nelson be less of an average he were like 22 23 years old like John he was in Dunnelson did not get along very well well John John Nelson went on to the center breakfast club as vendor yeah he said I'm gonna be bender that's the only way I know how to play this and so of course if you're bender nobody likes you well he was apparently I've been reading a trivia on time to be Dunnelson standard off-camera he said even holding Molly Ringwald John he was nearly fired him over this but ironically Paul Gleason defended him saying he was a good actor how bad ass is that Paul Gleason comes to the defense if all these were respected by this one character yeah sequence yeah in that interesting just from beginning to end it's such a cool movie and it's unique yeah there's not been a film like it ever since and I don't think it was a film like it before it's a talking head movie which had been not the talking heads they've burned but yeah the name for film where it's just people chatting all the time I get her with Andre or something like that but breakfast club it's definitely better than my dinner with Andre I've never seen that I'm always scared to go to me because I'm gonna be like 20 minutes in I go oh god this is boring and that's what I'm worried about it's fine I got awards it's movie but it's just talking right it's act like two guys in a restaurant okay but the reason they were seen as teachers pets is because Hughes would often take Ringwald and Hall to like concerts records doors he would invite him over to the house Hall even became came to be known as the third Hugh Sun Hall came from a divorced family so when Hall would stay with Hughes he would be enveloped in this warmth of a regular nuclear family and he got at John Hughes's home what he didn't get at his own home which I thought that was very nice Hughes gained a reputation among the young actors he worked with as being one of them he was an adult who never grew up unfortunately the side effect was that Hughes would also have his sulky moments almost infantile but I'm not one to judge as I was reading this I went oh I'm John Hughes exactly like John Hughes which freaked me out a little bit so Ringwald recalled an incident in which she had extended a trip home to Los Angeles by one day Hughes and she had a kind of collogical appointment that day it wasn't like she was gallivanting around Los Angeles Hughes took it is that she was meeting someone to do a different film that he was not a part of zero evidence it's just gonna be a little bit of a but I get it I really get it doesn't she have the right to make other films with her well she's the one who discovered her he's the one who he felt everything he felt she was not fully committed to him and that really had her being a kid freaked her out because she loved John Hughes as a father figure as well so she really you know it's just weird making films is weird doing art is weird working with kids as we're working with kids we're because you want to go well it's just business it's just so personal I mean every piece of kids I have a hundred and something in my classroom today and I definitely get to reach all of them right I do reach a lot of them some of them come see me every year even in my class yeah something hang out every day and the graduate right right and it's crazy I've got a relationship over three years I've got to say hi yeah what else can you do there was another instance where Hughes had taken Matthew Broderick to the Art Institute of Chicago and when he got to the certain area he told Broderick this is where you're gonna have your first kiss with me you know I think Mia Sarah was her name this is where the first kiss is gonna happen between Sloan and Ferris Bueller and Broderick had not read the stage direction and said oh we kiss at the museum and Hughes took that as Broderick being unprepared and disinterested in the script and so he tells him okay so we won't be friends but we'll just do our work so John Hughes still had that teenage re-age sulky but I get it because I still do the same thing on my worst days where I'm like fuck you we're not friends then not with you guys so much but you know people not to us anyway not to you so it was also noted though that these little sulky fits never lasted very long and by that same evening Hughes had taken out brought Broderick to dinner with a group of his friends and just talked about how brilliant Broderick was all night I think it's just John Hughes would hear that one thing and be like oh this relationships not what I thought it was I wanted to be friends with this kid you know and it becomes such a personal right and so he goes well fuck you but then like running goes oh I'm sorry you know Matthew Broderick was funny something at that time he was a kid but he had done work out before now she looks like a kid well he still looks like a baby he's also never told no he's very tiny guy I think he's probably shorter than Sarah Michelle Sarah just barker in me I don't know he's like five step up as I think him shorter than Bart shit I don't know who's shorter Matthew bro fan we want to know that kids tell us your opinion is Bart or Matthew you think Bart shorter or maybe yeah anyway after the breakfast club finished filming Universal was absolutely sure they had a surefire flop on their hands they they thought this is stupid they were so incredibly wrong in the winter of 1985 the breakfast club became an instantaneous hit film it was a film that spoke to an entire generation of youth and at this point the youth had been pander to completely sucked into the marketing it broke down the microcosm of teenage life and succinctly identified its intricacies so Matthew Broderick is taller than she is she's only five three oh she's a tiny he towers over her at five seven half I'm not as short as I thought he's a he's an ancient haverser than I am I was thinking Dustin Hoffman short or like Danny DeVito short and he's not that short so after the breakfast club Hughes was of course on top of the world like breakfast club me and all the other budget was one million in a 51 million and be it not being a big action movie or anything like that like the ball I think people out for like ten years and people you're reading a space yeah and yeah the breakfast club is cheap to make yeah how many actors got six you have millions yeah yeah those are minor little part day players or whatever and I think at least one or two or the real parents of the actors so yeah it was very much a very close knit we're all together we're a tiny little family team so all of these his friends his colleagues that's what became known as the Brat Pack when you added Rob Lowe to the group I think Charlie Sheen was in the Brat Pack a little bit like on the fringe of it somewhat well Charlie Sheen wasn't doing anything I think what Red Dawn was kind of like his first thing yeah that was 85 that was around the same year 8485 Jennifer Gray Patrick Swasey was all yeah it was all if it wasn't red dawn it was a breakfast club that was the Brat Pack they were all in that group well then Ali she didn't both yeah no she was not in red dawn though she was in sing almost fire and breakfast club but he was gonna have nothing to do with almost fire no but I think at least she wasn't red dawn no I don't think she was let's look it up with that up what give me your wish done 1984 let's say 8485 one of those two red on no more games say how's my ever it was a really nice she yes no she went in yeah yeah I was a little bit out now I'm just like a red dawn spine out with the two female you going on what was your for great I can't remember maybe Jennifer Jason Lee at the top of that yeah who was also in Brat Pack 14 actors by the way you know breakfast long 14 act well that's the parents the five kids plus the editor and principal and Vernon yeah sisters a sister in there somewhere oh yeah and Ryan sister and Michael all sisters so the unfortunately the breakfast club was also the pinnacle of his relationship with Holler Ringwald yeah the story goes that Holler Ringwald had begun dating after the breakfast club much to use a chagrin I don't think it had anything to do with jealousy which might be the first thing you think but the only explanation I've seen offered is that they had both changed the trajectory that Hughes had created for them is in his mind as characters so they saw the one way and they were becoming their own people which I don't think he was right they were the little dolls that he got to play with the pictures and then they he created their lives yeah he was grooming them and they went in this different direction away from you I think he was like I have a little family I have a little camp here what made it worse is that both Holler Ringwald had expressed a desire to work with other filmmakers there were no other actors he had been bothered by with this desire but his deep friendships with Holler Ringwald coupled with their expressing the need to work on other projects seem to hurt John Hughes on a personal way and I've seen interviews with the documentaries on Hughes where he was very sensitive person I think he was a little too sensitive for Hollywood yeah what I would you know there's what I don't know why would that hurt your feelings it's not that they're not it's one thing they say I don't know work with anymore because I want to work with other people something else I want to work with other people and I'll make your next movie he says I know I know I I don't know I don't know how John Hughes was thinking about I want to understand I want to say I get it sometimes our intentions and what other people perceive are not always the same things yeah well that's yeah during this time Ringwald had begun working with Hughes on Pretty and Pink right after the British Club and Hughes had written Pretty and Pink but his protege Howard Deutsch was online to direct it this film landed Ringwald on the cover of Time magazine the article mentioned Hughes by stating Hughes is 36 but he provides an adult eyes view of teen problems he gets spookily in sync with the swooning narcissism of adolescents the teachers are torturers parents are sweet but don't understand friends and lovers are two distinct species there is also a quote from Ringwald stating I don't really see him anymore I still respect him a lot and if he gave me a good script I'd read it but I don't think we'll work together again real soon that statement was true the two of them never worked together after Pretty and Pink wow in fact Hughes was on set as a writer and producer in Pretty and Pink and he rarely spoke to Molly Ringwald it's all because of her and Hall's relationship and her looking at the relationship and her looking at the work with other directors like she moved on to do the pickup artist and others it's gonna be hard to be at the only that age to work this close to this old roman and not to either think that a romance could be occurring or be uncomfortable that I just I feel like that's yeah I really don't feel like I had anything to do with romantic feelings I really don't I think it was just something a little deeper than that even though you think others might have perceived that though possibly and that would be hard for both of the other well but the thing with John Hughes did not ingratiate himself in Hollywood at all yeah like this is not a person they'd be like oh he and Molly are having a thing yeah because John Hughes refused to be a part of that society yeah that's what I said I good the guys he wanted to make these movies like he wanted that he didn't want to be part of the business part of the machine anything like that he had a voice he said I have a story to tell and I want to tell that story that was it and I respect that with Hughes let's see well he still remained he was remained gracious publicly he spoke complimentary of her in the Times article but Ringwald was a little surprised and a little hurt that he chose Howard Deutsch to direct Pretty and Pink because yeah he goes both ways this kind of weird thing because Ringwald wanted Hughes to direct again and Pretty and Pink and Ringwald said even years later it it's a little painful to think that he was he moved on to Weird Science with Anthony Michael Hall but not Pretty and Pink yeah so um that was it was all kind of coming apart with the teenagers that's going to work so gently it was just an explosion we never noticed like those of us who were fans of all these movies we never noticed you know anything could be going on it's pretty classy from all sides yeah everybody was really cool that's not usually seen all the ones well look at the films though they hurt in a classy way the pain they express is not always subtle but always gentle I think so Hall recalls no negative words between he and Hughes or with or with Hughes about Ringwald although Hall's time with Hughes was almost up as well immediately after the Breakfast Club they both began working on Weird Science with a which Hughes directed and wrote Hollywood saw them as the next reincarnation of Frank Capperns and he steward that's a well that's a guy's work together but their friendship also ended abruptly after Weird Science with Hall believing that he was to play Ducky in Pretty and Pink and the title role of Ferris Bueller after Weird Science Hall says he couldn't even get Hughes on the phone anymore after that Hall Hughes just cut him off would reviews to talk to him and I don't know that's interesting to be that dramatic in terms of their breakup but still not to run his name through the body of the press yeah that's interesting yeah publicly everyone was done with this guy to have the restraint and all right they were so close even made him one of his kids and over the house all the time and talk to him very weird however just so you guys can sleep easy tonight oh there was a friendly closure to uh to the relationship between Ringwald and Hughes in the mid 90s Ringwald had been living in Paris and she reached out to Hughes to let him know she had been watching a lot of uh Truffle movies and Truffle often worked with a guy named Jean-Pierre Leode uh this inspired her to reach out to him and let him know how much he had mentored her as as a person mentor as a mentor a week later she received enormous bouquet of flowers from Jean Hughes and that was the last communication she would ever have with with Jean Hughes uh because he passed away 15 years after that yeah following the success of Pretty and Pink and Weird Science. Weird Science I don't think did well at the box office but those of us who were 14 or 15 thought it was great we loved it but it was our movie you know it was for my Peabits so Hughes began working on his magnum opus ferris mueller's day off which um I'm not as big a fan of ferris as i'm breakfast lover 16 candles but it's a it's a brilliant movie we're starting to find his budget was seven and a half million 38 almost 39 yeah it's not that anyway yeah I think pretty unpainted okay as well I think everything was doing it made money but it was never quite the same as right but then he was not Hughes is not worried about whether these movies are going to be hugely successful that's not his point of making the film um and Ferris mueller's day off was also considered to be Hughes illustrating how homesick he was having moved to Los Angeles in 1984 remember earlier he refused to move out to Los Angeles finally Universal wanted him to edit all of his films from out there and so he he kept a house in Chicago I'll get to that but Hughes once vented to Roger Ebert though that the Chicago Tribune uh which was the competitor of the newspaper Ebert wrote more the Chicago uh no she I can't remember but anyway they called Hughes a former Chicagoan and Hughes did not care for that at all while he lived in Los Angeles he and Nancy still maintained their home in Northbrook so that their children could enjoy what was considered by the Hughes to be a proper Christmas they called this home their escape hatch to sanity so during this time in LA Hughes resisted being actively social according to his son John the third Hughes looked at his family as a sort of wall he received all of the adult companionship he needed from his crews and editors while his family became his social activity uh they were his protection from getting drawn out of the house to the outside world the home was bustling it was happy it had an open door policy for his son's friends and actors he enjoyed working with at the time which Matthew Broderick was still part of that a good friend of his and he often visited he says specifically to use the pool but really anyway the one social exception that Hughes made in Hollywood was to John Candy the person that he would work the most with until Candy's death in 1994 they were very similar although Candy was born from Toronto rather than Chicago they were both a huge fan of hockey they were both very loving with their lives they had both had two young children and according to Candy's daughter Jennifer the two families kind of merged with Hughes uh the candies and the Hughes's and they were often welcomed as guests on Candy's uh 100 acre farm in Toronto and in fact it was John Candy that inspired Hughes to purchase his own farm just north of Chicago so Candy and Hughes first worked together in Plains trains and automobiles in 1987 this is one of my favorite movies of all times Steve Martin and John Candy and it was Hughes's first foray into exploring more mature relationships and friendships the film of course was another huge hit for John Hughes and began a working relationship with Candy that included Plains trains and automobiles the great outdoors which he directed and Howard he wrote and Howard Deutch directed Uncle Buck only the lonely which Hughes produced and Home Alone which Candy was in a candy or role at the near the end of that yeah yeah how cool all of these films reached a minimum reach at minimum amount of success except for Home Alone which was a massive massive massive amount of money it did pretty well it didn't it was very far a few million it didn't it I don't think so Ferris Peeler did really that was probably one of his most not in like 70 million yeah like 6 million yeah in comedy's at the time we're not expected to make that kind of money it was also during this time though that in the late 80s that Hughes began to gradually withdraw from filmmaking he sold the family home in Brentwood California and moved his family to Lake Forest a very affluent suburb of Chicago and set up his company Hughes Entertainment on the former campus of New Trier West High School in Northfield the budget for Home Alone was 18 million it made 533.8 million oh yeah for which film home alone oh my god yeah I was in the investigation yeah yeah he looks like it produced a whole bunch of these his last directorial effort was 1991's Curly Sue which if I've seen it I don't remember I think I know the name it's like a baby burn that Peter's yeah that's very terrible but he's still he focused on screenwriting and producing Steve after this he gave us movies like Beethoven a miracle on 34th Street and 101 Dalmatians yeah you were at the age of life to Dennis the Venice all those days they are these are movies like he was exact producing all the rubber he did yeah he was working with Disney here and there all of those were hugely successful but the days of Hughes lending his voice to an entire generation was was pretty much done according to Hughes he came he said he'd what he needed to say and instead of becoming a further example of his generation taking up all the attention decided to give other people a chance to say what they needed to say artistically he said what he needed to say part of his decision to abandon his act of role in Hollywood or whatever we would call John Hughes you know he was never really in that world it can also be attributed to the death of his friend John Candy Vince Vaughn who was a really close friend of John Hughes very very few show business personalities that Hughes maintained a relationship said that Hughes would often talk about how much he loved Candy and went on to say that if Candy had lived longer he was probably would have made more films he would have kept knowing but with Candy being dead and him all of his muses were gone right yeah so by the time the new millennium came Hughes had pre-well stopped screenwriting and producing and focused on his farm he has maybe four or five credits between 2000 2009 but that was it he did continue writing but this time in the form of notebooks memoirs correspondence in fact as some James relays that while Hughes was a relative newcomer to email whenever he did send one the reaction was usually oh shit here it comes because it was like an avalanche of information this interdisciplinary course on current events political scandals the Chicago Blackhawks movies he watched on Turner Classic Films authors that he had seen on C-Span's book notes program the trees he was planting he was bigger ball of this obscure hillbilly music he'd taken it compiling and whatever else happened to be on his mind still writing you know still doing it his job in later years appeared to be ingesting external materials and this extended to his social life as well with a few visitors he would allow Vince Wong would often visit for a 12 hour conversation marathons about any and all topics and especially music John Hughes and if you watch his movies you go with the music is perfect this soundtrack is perfect for every moment he took music compilation as a hobby creating playlists for his both of the son's weddings he would set up iPod playlist and give people the entire iPod after he had made a playlist the same way he had gifted his performance with mixtapes in the 80s one of the mixtapes was given to Chris Candy John Candy's 25 year old son at the time in 2008 this was the last time Candy ever saw Hughes and Candy who has a local radio show at college station Los Angeles played the entire 1000 song playlists on shuffle so what that's one song he played it as a tribute to Hughes when hearing of his passing he just put it on shuffle with the whole thing play on his radio podcast that same iPod that he gave to Chris Candy was loaned to the Hughes family at John's funeral and that was the music that played during his uh his funeral on August 6 2009 John Hughes passed away from a heart attack while he and his wife was visiting his son whose wife had just given birth to John's new grandson it was Hughes's custom to wake up early and stroll around whatever city he was in at the time creating sketches and taking observational notes and it was during the stroll that he was collapsed on the sidewalk outside of his hotel he was rushed to Roosevelt Hospital where he was pronounced dead I think his son James puts it best when he talks about the effect his father had on his family when he said you almost wanted to pick up the phone to talk about John Hughes dying with him yeah James continued by saying more comforting still is the fact that when he passed away he was doing something he loved he was out no taking observing the point is and I'm stealing this from the Vanity Fair article that I got most of this information from the point is John Hughes never stopped working until his heart stopped beating according to both sons they not only lost a wonderful father that day but a dear friend in confidant and that was John Hughes John Hughes I didn't even touch on the movies yeah I know his body of work is insane and every only has just been one of the records left for a time I've seen so many documentaries that are just focused on the breakfast club of the last few days and I kept going I want to see more about John but I would get stuck into the breakfast club yeah what a good movie I'm terrified but 16 candles breakfast club vacation mom premium playing strains and automobiles on the bus it just never ended yeah the 80s were John Hughes like into the midnight yeah it wasn't your John Hughes anymore no my John my John Hughes the one that I appropriated was done by 87 even though I love transplants and automobiles as a teenage boy my John Hughes stopped and my knowledge of John Hughes John Candy was good outdoors oh that was so much damn fun though isn't it yeah oh I've always liked on Hughes movies but he doesn't resonate the same way he does with you guys but he were yeah by the time I mean I love vacation I think vacation came out when I was either in high school or had just graduated high school he was really good at what I remember watching it in the theater with my parents my mom loved that movie she yeah I remember her her she felt that he had the kids down perfect as real kids and he did and he absolutely did that's why I like to be because of the anti-michael character because I'm like yeah I get that yeah yeah with some indication we can all relate to at any point in life too we all can relate to that we've all been on vacation we would love to hear thoughts decades on the photography of John Hughes the life of John Hughes we had some interest in a live podcast yeah yeah if we can find a location I'm all for it you guys have any thoughts any ideas on how we can make that we all we'd love to hear from you yeah we can make it like a rave no find warehouse no do not glow sticks and ecstasy you're the host of that I am not the most of the answer I was hoping to say the opposite can I show up on ecstasy no I don't know what we notice yeah I'd be rubbing up on it notice we notice the thing we usually do just like I usually do your thoughts on our hundred episodes come soon we've each got a few why did we each have you have two more episodes you and I have to have three more episodes for a hundred times I know well that's true yeah you know I should three runs got two more for the hundred time so that's right around the corner so we're ready to go with it I'm so excited about it yeah let's know your thoughts on the magnificent seven yeah the baseball team the rock band and until next time stay wise stay wild and by the edge don't you