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Wow. Seems like we should do something special in about 5 episodes. Nope. for the theater party production of Helledali.
And Aaron Taylor, during the audition, both knights would talk to the kids to give them an idea of what he was looking for from them character-wise. And so these kids, when they were reading their, they're doing the cold reads of the script, they would have some idea of what we're looking for, and most of them they still did not. Because it's hard to understand the timing and the speed he's looking for, and the tempo between lines. Like they can say lines quickly, and they'll be a huge pause, that's just unbearable.
But they also haven't spent time with the script, and they're not as intuitive, they haven't spent much time in theater so much stuff. So as he's describing how he wants it read, he starts mentioning sitcoms. Things like... Three's company...
And Cheers. And... And that's not a single one of these kids that ever... Unless they're my kids or Aaron's kids, which show us Netflix.
Half of the sitcoms he mentioned, I haven't heard of, and I'm twice the age of these kids. And so Aaron's trying to get through these, like, oh, here's what we're gonna do. Like this, I'm like, Aaron, stop. Kids, it's like the office, or Big Bang Theory, or Parks and Recreation.
Oh, big friends. So he's gonna roll these sitcoms. So I'm just curious, what are some of your favorite sitcoms of all time? You know what you grew up with?
And what was it about those shows again? Well, Matt, I'm not wanting to jump on the bandwagon just for jumping on the bandwagon. And I was probably too young to do so with mash, but everybody loved mash. I loved mash, but I loved mash when I was in high school or older.
I loved it in reruns or in syndication. We didn't really watch it on the new episode. I mean, by the time it ended, 11 years into their three-year war. I did watch it, I think, as in college.
I think it was 82, 83. Yeah, there are the senior in high school hours now. But so I did watch... But then I was watching the new episodes as well, but it's also in syndication by the time.
Mash was always good. I was always a fan of cheers from the beginning. I love cheers. I've always loved friends.
I love the Cosby Show. Yeah, I know. It's hard. It's hard to say that now.
But it was a fun show. That's another one everybody loved. Everybody was watching the Cosby Show. But in syndication, I come home from school and I watch Killiken's Island.
Yeah. That was like that. And when I was... Before I started school, when I was at the babysitters, when I was like three and four, we'd be watching the Beverly Hillbillies, and then we'd watch it at night, and there'd be a witch.
But those were when I was really, really young. Yeah. I dreamed of Dini. That was another one on syndication.
I never saw that when it was being broadcast. I think that was taken off the year before I was born. I know it was getting on Silent Hill. Those were definitely off the air before you were born, because they were in their final run when I was too young to watch.
But all of them were in syndication by the time I was a kid. So they would be on it like three or four in the afternoon after I got home from school. And so, yeah, I was quite familiar with Killiken's Island, Beverly Hillbillies. Green Acres was another one.
That's in syndication. I used to watch. I think I stopped watching sitcoms about the time that friends ended. And how I met your mother?
That was probably the last one. That the Office of Parks and Records was the last one. I got less. Side felled.
Side felled. And I'm kind of side felled. Side felled. Side felled.
I watched Side felled a lot. I started to sit on the floor before people showed up. Like, people didn't watch sitcoms when I was watching sitcoms, because I grew up with one of my parents liked. So we watched Friends Regular.
Although I got off that bandwagon before the end of it. I didn't watch everything. I don't know why, but once Chandler Monica got together, I just stopped caring. Well, it's the one they were going to do.
I know, I just didn't care for it. So I always liked Chandler and Joey, and that's about it. Like, the side felled was my favorite. I watched Side felled all the way through.
I didn't see the New York Side felled. But when it ended, when I was really young, though, it was third rock from the sun. I was one of my, basically, my favorite. That's a sound show.
I don't know why. I didn't share your list. I didn't share your list. I didn't share your list.
I didn't share your list. I was just before your time. I think I did it in 92, 93. Maybe more.
I don't know. I don't know. I'm 95, 96. I'm around there.
What started around 81, 82. It was going when I went to Boston. It was still on for a year. I watched it every Thursday at night.
I'm like, what happened? I'm not picking up. I'm really lucky. I was a kid.
I was a kid. I was not one at all. Like, I was a kid, I was a kid. A lot of adult relationships.
And Ray Bingens went to a Western Kentucky University, a guy that played Roy. And he learned up to the same instructors as I did. But I went on to fail. I really enjoyed his home improvement for a while.
Although that started when I considered me, maybe it started for this one. In my lifetime. I remember the husband is an idiot. Yeah.
He can't succeed anything he tries. But for some reason the wife loves him anyway. He was a just a stack of crap. It's a hand that's kind of dynamic there.
Everybody loves Raymond's. It's like a series of these husbands is an idiot type that got on my nerves real fast. Yeah, but they're accurate, that's the thing. I understand.
I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot.
I'm a fucking geek, Lisa. I'm not an idiot. Yeah. When I was two, I'm not nearly as entertaining as you.
Maybe. When I was a kid, I had different strokes and facts of life. That was my shift. Yeah, yeah.
I used to watch those too. I love different strokes. They were the ones that, one of the earliest ones I remember that they're like, this is a very special episode. Now that's touched.
I actually stopped watching different strokes after a while because it's, as the kids got older, they became so freaking annoying. They were all, they became these impossible, I don't know if it was that the actors were being drawn on, the actors were influenced because they all became so conceited and so full of themselves and I just couldn't stand the show anymore. Yeah. What's the name of the daughter on that one?
Kimberly, I think she went to the facts of life school and lasted there for one season and then disappeared into heroin land forever. And I was like, you had everything, Kimberly. You had an apartment on Fifth Avenue. I like the Jefferson's too.
Jefferson was great. So it was all in the family. I'm odd. All in the family.
I never watched Montil a few years ago, five or six years ago. And I love it. Yeah. All those Norman Lear shows were fantastic.
They were. Everyone of them. Spin off after good time. Spin off after smell.
There were several of them in the early mid 90s that I kind of grew up watching through Carrie show. Oh, that was so much damn fun. Caroline. That was really, I never watched suddenly Susan.
Yeah, what's those? I never watched. I never watched. I watched.
I watched just you a little bit. I never cared for Lawrence. News radio news radio was classy. Oh, it was a great.
Yeah, it would have very good lasted longer if Phil Harvey had been killed by wife. Yeah, they did one season afterwards and it wasn't as good and everyone. Yeah. What was the show that last day?
Folley's heart for trying. He stepped in and really took on some big shoes. Well, yeah. What was the Brook Shield?
Suddenly, yeah, and that show didn't last very long after that one guy committed suicide. Oh, I don't know about that one. Brook Shield wasn't suddenly. Yeah, it was.
Was it? Yeah, the Brook Shield was suddenly. I think where she was in the same. It was the same sitcom that had on the guy from the Breakfast Club.
Got Nelson? Yeah, John Nelson. I think she was on suddenly Susan. Okay, right.
Okay, because he left after the one of the co people in her office or wherever she was working, that actor committed suicide and then they had one more season and Johnson left after that and it was never the same. Yeah, Kathy Griffin was in. Yeah, Kathy Griffin. Mr.
Carbon Island was like, not sure. I mean, and I chose to shoot me because of David's state and I like George Segal. I've always had that one. Perfect strangers.
Holy shit. You know what? I love perfect strangers, but I hate that it spun off into TGI Friday shows. See, that's what I grew up with.
Oh, God, I hate them. I hate them so much. Bull's house. I hate them.
I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. But I love perfect strangers.
Yeah, everything you've named. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
I hate them. Yeah. But, uh, that was the wrong channel. It was absolutely fascinating.
It's not funny too. Seems to me like, there are so many sitcoms that start up all the time, and Rev less season. When did you think makes a successful sitcom? I think, uh, an outstanding ensemble helps.
Mm hmm. You can't have any week lengths in a sitcom and you'll see it all the time with a replaced within the First Second, episode when there's a week character going through. And I think just doing, try to do stuff that nobody has ever done. Like, cheers.
You would have heart felt sentiments that your feeling is about to come up in sitcoms at the time would have those things, and then cheers would swerve you in in a cynical direction. And I like that sort of unique writing. Seinfeld's another one where the writing was really unique. Well, Seinfeld was one that though.
It's very different. But it also was given a chance to breathe because there's no, its first season was four episodes. I mean, they did the end. And it was, it could have been canceled because it was not the hit.
I watched those four episodes and I loved it. I'm not right away. But we're talking about Seinfeld. I'm trying to even choose some children.
They did the pilot and then they had an initial four episodes. There was no reason for them to pick it up because it wasn't a big hit from those four episodes. But it, but they gave it time to breathe. And it became this juggernaut because people started catching on.
And, but I loved it. I mean, no other, I mean, it did things that no one else, no other episode would ever do it. No, no seriously. No one was trying to do it.
When they did that, the whole Chinese restaurant thing where they're just waiting to get a table. It's like 24 minutes. No one else would do that. And it's brilliant.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, Seinfeld really went in that incredibly unique direction. But in the initial pilot, Kramer has a dog. Yeah.
Julia, Louis de Drifis isn't in the cast. There's some waitress at the diner who's supposed to be the girl that's in the cast. And Jerry's apartment is quite different than what it was done by the second episode. And Newman was a voice by Larry David.
Oh. He was just a voice. He first appeared in one where he's Newman's going to commit suicide. Well, that wasn't the case.
And I was great. It was probably on the pilot. But it was within the first season, first or second season, that Kramer's all freaking out. And you hear Newman's voice.
And it's Larry David, who was also the voice of Steinbrenner in later years. He became way nine. And then he became way nine. Who also, he was taught at the University of Georgia by a guy named Jackson.
Oh, shit. He directed me in 12th night. I want to say Jackson Hale because that's a character. Yeah, but it's not Jackson Paul.
It's the cat or Jackson Kessler. He was the instructor. That's who it was. He invented electricity.
He was an instructor in Georgia. And he told Wayne Knight that he would never become a professional actor. But then he told me I would. So fuck you, man.
He really knows what he's talking about. Yeah, he's on top of his stuff. Roy Biggins just sat there and laughed from the greener. Married with children's on the watch by the music.
The weird thing was my dad was such a square. And yet he would watch Married with Children. And my mom was like, I don't know what the fuck this fruit is doing because he's watching this dirty, weird show. Probably the one I watched most regularly when I was a kid with a Simpsons.
Oh, yeah. I don't watch it since high school. And it's still going to be like, I don't watch it anymore. We talked about it.
I don't watch many comedy movies. But I don't watch it. It comes regularly longer either. This one's a bit newer.
I didn't really watch the office or Parks and Records. I mean, all of those are good. So he's always trying to tell it off. He's a really popular one.
Yeah. Boy, that's a cynical one. Yeah. That one's really.
That one's really. South Park is one I got on board with. I could only watch that. I watched and enjoyed two seasons of South Park before my daughter was born.
And then I couldn't even play it in the house anymore after that. One episode of South Park. It's about you. You should know it's not about me.
It's only about your years. Stan Marsh. Yeah. I just thought I was out it.
You totally are. I think there's something we're going to talk about for a little bit. We love your thoughts. I want some of your favorites.
It comes are your characters or an episode. And until next time. Wait. Well, we'll finish making everybody.
Actually, it's a wrong. So you're welcome. All right. We get to dive into the horrifying minds of Ron.
Absolutely. Don't get you there. Well, I have to. I love to don't get you next week.
Old man withers. Speaking of old man withers. This past week, an icon in paranormal research passed away. Lorraine Warren.
Oh, okay. I've been conjuring in in city. I've been conjuring in in. I've been conjuring in.
Annabelle is conjuring in. All that stuff. She passed away. And so I decided to not do the interesting episode that I was going to do.
And then pay homage to one of Lorraine Warren's not even one of the most popular events that she investigated, which is the Amity Bell horror. And like I was telling you guys before the show, yes, this is a little dark. Thanks Ron. After Waco.
After Waco. This is like Bob Ross part too. So we were at the Stanford Prison Experiment. We went to Waco for two weeks.
We went to Waco for two weeks. We also made a little fun. But the thing is, yes, there was a horrible tragedy at 112 Ocean Avenue, but after that it was just shits and giggles with ghosts. Well for us it was shits and giggles.
I mean the Lutzes didn't fare too well with it, but it was fun for me to watch the whole thing. So anyway, let me give a historical basis because not in the know. The only real event to take place there, the only real tragedy was that on November 13, 1974. The money Defeo, also known as Butch Defeo, shot and killed six members of his family at 112 Ocean Avenue, a large Dutch colonial house situated in a suburban neighborhood in Amityville on the south shore of Long Island, New York.
He was convicted of second degree murder in November 1975. He killed six members of his family and he only got second degree murder. Was there extenuating circumstances? I looked at that because when I saw second degree murder I was like, this is not that can't be correct.
It's a first degree murder, clear cut. It was cold blood. He wasn't, he didn't intend to kill. Right.
He got it was a middle of night and murdered two, let's see two brothers who were like eight and ten or eight and twelve or something like that. A little sister, he was very young, his teenage sister and then the two parents. Was he sleepwalk? No!
It was not some man who was in the man, got up and killed everybody with a rifle. Sometimes he's done what he did wrong. One thing that made me true. Next time.
I think it was his, well, A, the fact that he was a junkie. B, that he wasn't in his right mind. And B, that his, I know, that felt weird. His uncle was in the mafia.
So you know, we don't really know what happened. But I think we do. Well, okay. Ronnie Defeo got up in the middle of the night, shot everybody in his house with a rifle.
He went to a bar. No, no, he went to a bar. Of course. He went to a bar and then the next day he reported the tragedy.
Maybe it was that night he went to the bar and was like, I've killed everyone. What year was this again? I'm sorry. I'm 74.
Yeah, so real weird kind of story, interesting to delve into, but it's not fun and light. It's a heavy story. No, sorry. There were allegations of abuse.
Welcome back guys. There was allegations that Ronnie Defeo's dad was abusive to the children and the wife and everything. And Ronnie Defeo didn't have a substance problem. There was just a lot of fuck-dunness going on in the Defeo home.
So to counteract that fuck-dunness, in December of 1975, George and Kathy Lutz and their three children moved into the house. To counteract that. Yeah. Because what's better to squash a haunting than a good family of a...
So you might say the family went into detox the house. They went into detox the house. Actually, they got the house for so much cheaper than one normally could because of the murders. Yeah, that was a big deal.
George, what's it? It was hard to get out of carpets. I'm telling you. Well, almost unfortunately they were all killed on the bed, but that's not a fortune.
Proxide, Proxide and Clupsota. I think it cleans up the blood. I don't know what it's about. None whatsoever.
So, George and Kathy... Don't ask. George and this make up here. I'll be right in mind.
George was a contractor. You can tell we were... Aaron and I really don't want to go to the start. We're going to go to the start.
We're going to the start. Question about George. Do you want to scale up one to ten? Yeah.
Estimate how curious he is. Twelve. Oh my gosh. Twelve.
Oh my gosh. Twelve. And he... I like George because he used to run around the house going, mother of God.
And that was the thing. Mother of God the same. But... No, no, no.
I'm not going to go to the start. What's up to you? Now, he's George of One, Twelve Ocean Avenue. He's got two.
George of the Douglass. The Dark Jay? No. I know it's wrong because we're out.
You're no realcal. Rerecord of that thing. Yeah, I never saw that. Yeah that's what I wanted to talk.
So, after 28 days of living there, the Let'ss is Let house claiming to have been terrorized by paranormal phenomena while living there. The information I'm going off of is about the book. Jay Anson and the Let's is Got Together, had some wine. I'm not gonna flat out say that they talked about exploiting the events of the corona.
the events that happened whatever they may have been but i feel like they exploited the house right full because ever since every time you saw george and cathy left there like words to family wanted to know that years later he found out george let's was also abusing the ship out of cathy and his children he was manipulative he was abusive he was very headstrong yeah i don't know if you know not like somebody that would uh... you know try to use the previous tragedy to put himself into massive amounts of debt and try to get out of it by writing a book about the events that may remain out of happen in the house at ocean avenue so uh... apparently the book reportedly based on a true story describes the house at one without a new as remaining empty for thirteen months after the defail murders in december nineteen seventy five george and cathy let's bought the house for what was considered to be a bargain price of eighty thousand dollars and in seventies money for what that house was certainly mark and i was a gorgeous you have a size of a square footage you i don't know the square footage i know it was right there on uh... on the river that's a bit of a big uh...
it had a boat house it was three-story well four stories of you have the basement uh... just a huge beautiful colonial home uh... and the the uh... the eyes on the and the bill or movie poster that was that's the house had those windows they can't obey windows that look like i had rooms for that is both house to carterage all i wish i'd read further because it says the five-bedroom house was built in that school on the list of and how to think of gembrale roof was a gembrale roof i don't get also have swimming pool and a boat house as it was located on canal and they really didn't mention swimming pool in the film at all and i feel that was a waste of opportunity i think it made up a lot of shit about that that's what gembrale looks like all it's like a barn roof yeah kind of the four-sided barn roof that's a good price of a thousand dollars for that estate that's a lot of acreage beautiful even in seventy four and you know long island is very pretty yeah that's where we vacation from new york city right now that's one of the places on the way to fire island or something that many people vacation in in the hampans and live island and is it a touch the ocean or is it just the river in the canal so long island yeah is a guy that is surrounded by water it's a long yeah but there's a lot of river up there's several rivers up there so is it in the ocean or is it in a river it's uh...
well a lot of island is off the coast and that's so you've got the so that i don't know if it's not considered a river it's been it's got a barrier island between it and the ocean itself that's what i'm wondering so it's like uh... yeah so george and cathe married in july of nineteen seventy five and each had their own homes uh... cathie the three children there were cathy she had had that from a previous marriage uh... daniel who was nine christopher was seven and Melissa was five uh...
and i can't remember which one one of the there's a documentary about one of them one of the kids that tell their story he seems to be an unreliable narrator as well uh... how's it not to be a apparently it really the whole event really thought the kids up whether it was george being abusive person which could certainly do it or whatever happened to the house or if george and cathie were like will kill you if you tell people that this was not true you know anything like that uh... so they also own a cross-breed malamute malamute labrador dog named harry uh... here is not a little of those during their first inspection of the house the real estate broke about the defayo murders and ask if this would affect their decision and after discussing the matter they decided it was not a problem not for those guys not for eighty grand uh...
the ones family moved in december nineteen nineteen seventy five right before christmas much of the fail families furniture was still in the house because it was included for four hundred dollars as part of the deal with the like it's not nobody's going to buy that you can have an auction or whatever but some people might buy because it's a crime scene they like to collect you know that i don't that land where people is nuts over this stuff is that i don't think they were either that of the internet made it easier for all of them that's not collecting that's true that's true i think practically like you they charge me four hundred dollars for that i would have said you can live in house or free right like or not or not that's not right you know that there's a given to me or you move it out you know well george wasn't the best with money but we'll get to that uh... friend of george lutz learned about the history of the house insisted on having it blessed if it was like it was originally yeah uh... and i was just a bit at this time george was a non-practicing methodist and had no experience of this but it's not a is not a uncee and george does not practice religion anymore uh... cathie was a non-practicing catholic at that time and explain the process of a priest come over to blessed everything uh...
george knew a catholic priest named father ray who agreed to carry out the house blessing in an instance book reliparies father ralph jake uh... picararo is referred to as for father mancuso for for privacy reasons because of the time priest is you know is a father mancus in there which is a type of cat father mancus yeah that was he's the guy who headed the whole rectorry if you will be you have to have a uh... director every other Tuesday yet father mancuso was a lawyer a judge of the catholic court and psychotherapists who lived at the local sacred heart records of this is not a flaky sort of cookie kind of guy he's like father daniel in the exercise to fairly you know straight for their father daniel father daniel karis father karis you know that is also daniel yeah daniel karis he was the he was a good guy daniel before the only came and fucked it up for years later in the i think you were thinking of it so uh... father mancuso or picararo uh...
arrived at the court arrived at the point of the blessing while george and cathy were unpacking their belongings on the afternoon of the sevary eighteen eighteen seventy five and went into the building to carry out the rights when he flicked the holy water and began to pray he heard a masculine voice demand that he get out sorry said flicker but i'm just a but with the with the i think it's obvious you were raised by this because i know i know i mean i said i know what it means but i'm just picturing have you ever seen it have you ever been i've been a little scepter take the separate spot that was like that's why i think it is like what what's like it's a flick of the rest this one is a lot of fun but i'm actually a lot of people in the sense is like hey hey he goes to the house evil so um i'm so i'm i'm so i'm so excited to fight yeah it has no right to play did the did the real father mukdumri cranson mit but dummy actually hear that the male voice favorite actor he says he creates a big dummy he says he heard a male voice they get out he attests that was it lutz yeah i can't believe you're not left here maybe apparently they were supposed to have been what did it say on the house or something like that uh oh they were unpacking well shit yeah let me stop me right there please do can any of you guys with your ears no you can't wait if i take my hand up there and wiggle it do you know something we look like really well do you know why we can wiggle our ears so do you have a pet i do you ever seen an animal like move it's ears towards the sound most mammals they can actually flip their ears backwards towards wherever the sound is to get more information about it humans have lost those muscles because we can't pivot our ears towards sound because they're on our heads but some people have some of those muscles left over yeah enough to wiggle ears it's a vestigial structure left over for answers you can wiggle ears i feel that it's advanced rather than outdated so i would hear ears from each other oh okay i can do it i don't know i don't know i don't have those muscles left over i can't wrinkle my nostrils like uh mb wished i can't really put it back before i was watching sandy my dog for the listeners yeah move his nose back and forth he's a short dog can't see the food on the counter but he i watch him move his nose towards every specific spot getting this different smells of each thing down on that counter it's fun to watch him do that well speaking of sandy on December 24th and 75 christmas eve father main cooso called george lutz and advised him to stay out of the second floor room where he had heard the mysterious voice of george lutz i don't know i really feel like he was like get out cathleen he has like a tube system so he was like oh right it was old man lutz this whole time uh so where was i uh advise him to stay out of the second floor where he heard the voice the former bedroom of mark and john matthew defeo that cathy plan to use is so in your mouth is a real weird excuse me i guess i think it's john matthew was luke that's three of the more gospels he really is isn't it well they did it was probably mark luke and john matthew defeo that cathleen plan to use is a sewing room that since makes no sense but anyway the call was cut short by statics she's on the phone with uh main cooso and it's gets all staticky uh this is all alleged this is what the book says not so this is what they're saying static oh did you say the acts of static acts in their layoff talk about the bible the act acs yeah no i don't know there's nothing uh so following his visit to the house father mancuso allegedly developed a high fever and his blisters on his hands similar to stigmata at or juggling plutonium or it could have been the clue but you know he had just been in the ghost house so we'll say it's the ghost house i think usually cold when they go in place like us yeah but yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah amity bill special talking about their uh experiences subsequently oh wait wait subsequently at first i i said at first georging Kathy experience nothing unusual in the house at the first day okay they didn't see anything that's just waiting you know like a little bit comfy and then again the priest apparently experienced something but told nothing he's with my idea with house it houses like let's get people a chance oh they're terrible yeah no we're gonna scare these people doesn't it have been like a nice move in the house would be like let's take care of these guys let's give them a little bit let's let's make sure this family fares better than our family right but but then it's the less and we're like oh no these we don't like georgia all now so talking about their experiences subsequently they reported that it was as if they were each living in a different house because of their all different experiences some of the experiences of a let's family at the house are described in the book as follows georgia would wake up around three fifteen every morning and would go out to check the boat house later he would learn that his uh this was the estimated time of the def well run was talking and then what did I and then wrong without looking grab me back and chucked it up grab it the house was plagued by swarms of flies despite the winter weather uh does that really have anything to do with it's a plague like well I mean I've seen flies in the winter though it fall in the winter I've seen flies but other you know what's a swarm yeah but what are they falling in the house and blood and stuff like that like I was going to I've seen in the winter time I've seen six flies around the garbage can I went oh my god it's December why are there flies around that to me so Jewish so quickly yeah well when I see flies I go oh there's flies what will we do so during this time Kathy had vivid nightmares about the murders and discovered the order in which they had occurred and the rooms where they took place so she's doing research I don't think she could read she's like very nicely sort of hypothesizing about that this happened and this happens the let's check now this okay wait the let's children also began sleeping on their stomachs in the same way that the dead bodies in the dead body is in the dead body because no child would sleep on their stomach otherwise Kathy I hate making fun of this because the let's us may have genuinely felt like something was horrifying there but yeah they did Kathy would feel a sensation as if being embraced in a loving manner by an unseen force that's weird because there's no way there's no loving there's no loving embrace going from hell nothing and that could be who's a little curious about things and there actually is another supposedly true story about a woman who was sexually assaulted over the course of years by a ghost the film entity was based on that I can't remember the actual sorry it was with Barbara Hershey and Alex Rocco years ago and that was supposedly based on a true story and there were psycho when you move after this ghost sexually assaulted you it was attached to the house it was attached to yeah I was to say even if you could not go into the house that quickly right and eventually the ghost did leave her alone the apparent specter or whatever left this woman alone this pair of psychologists she came into the lab and everything it was a big huge ginseng study that they did George discovered a small hidden room around four feet by five feet behind shelving in the basement the walls were painted red and the room did not appear in the blueprints of the house the room came to be known as the red room this room had a profound effect on their dog Harry who refused to go near and coward is as if sensing something ominous there were cold spots and odors of perfume and excrement in areas of the house where no wind drafts or piping would explain the source terrible combination I think I can explain it I think it's poop cologne by Joan Collins that's an axe by spray as well yeah poop poop axe by spray so here's the thing someone like forts and they try to cover it with like a nice scent right just mingles it smells like for hours it's horrible it's horrible it's like you know I've got to spray my bathroom it's like it's like it's not near out of mine but I feel like when people come over my house obviously suffers from fart and flowers being that Caleb and I both live and you have flowers and I fart flowers yeah he farts normal yeah and I don't well well tending to the fire I almost admitted too much about my family more than I should have well tending to the fire George and Kathy saw the image of a demon with half his head blown out it was burned into the suit in the back of the fireplace yeah how do you recognize a demon from half his face because the other half looks like brick Convey I think that's the thing that's excellent yeah I figured you know it's one side with like you know the the blow effect the face blowing off and the other side is Bert is it in his white man Afro days is it a more scary ghost because it was or or demon because it this age was cooked into the fireplace or would it have been worse if they've been on their piece of toast I was about to say I think it's more like the toast Jesus mind you George kept waking up at 3 15 every morning and you can't get your rest that way so he wakes up he's since the fire he goes oh Jesus there's a demon his eyes are all fucked up right because he hadn't slept in well people wake up at weird times some people need to get off the caffeine you know some people have other issues or crack or the cocaine or some people that have a bladder that wakes up every hour to go right right so the let's his five-year-old daughter Missy developed an imaginary friend named Jody a demon pig-like creature with glowing red eyes who is seen in the Amityville film as red glowing eyes I love that movie it's not a good movie but I love the what's his name James Brolin and the horror Margo Kidder I love that movie but it's so good the horrible he didn't make very many movies did he James Brolin no I think he was mostly known for was like Vegas and Marcus Welby yeah he was really known for television and a few years ago he did a movie called the goods live hard sell I can't remember but it's funny shit nobody's ever seen it so Jeremy Pivin it's one of the car says yeah yeah it's funny as hell actually he also made a movie called Capricorn one yes yeah the sci-fi yeah even a lot of the not be movies but not a list move back in the day oh Jason's and was in Capricorn one and he would never do anything wrong in the early morning hours of Christmas day 1975 here first that's right George looked up at the house after checking on the boat house and saw Jody standing bus behind Missy at her bedroom window when he ran up to her room he found her fast asleep with her small rocking chair slowly rocking back and forth it just makes more interesting if you dramatize it cuz this stuff back back and forth back and forth and George would wake up to the sound of the front door slamming he would race downstairs to find the dog sleeping soundly at the front door nobody else heard the sound although it was loud enough to wake the house wait the house it didn't wake up George heard the sound although it was loud enough to wake the house I don't okay I guess they're just saying it was loud enough to wake the house it was not enough to him to wake the house right but no one else heard the sound again George is waking up at 315 every morning staying awake looking at pouring on his phone whatever on his phone yeah 74 74 pictures take it right oh he's gonna make it on the road right the moment he goes to number nine George would hear what was described as a marching band tuning up or that is horrifying it's scary and it or what sounded like a clock radio playing not quite on frequently in mean county I live closer to school that from the marching back second here yeah horrifying it's creepy can I was excellent when he went downstairs the noise would cease why downstairs I don't know that doesn't make any sense does it he went downstairs anyway to check the door when he woke up at 315 to go to the boat house he should have just left on the house which is probably the place yeah and it's what you get disoriented wake up you know what the fuck I know I always consider I was actually downstairs I strongly consider sleeping downstairs when it's cooler yeah or when it's warm upstairs because it's cool downstairs I never do I never sleep not in my place that's a shame because you have a nice comfy couch you George realized that he bore a strong resemblance to Ronald Defeo Jr. and began drinking at the witches brew the bar where Defeo was once a regular customer I'm sure during this whole thing he's like what's the worst thing could happen so kind of see did he realize that he was doing this or did he realize it was like him and started doing this drinking at the place no I think he was at the bar when somebody pointed out that you look like Ronald Defeo yeah but I think what they had a comment was long hair and a beard that was essentially bad people and yeah just being a dick when closing this is window which Missy said Jody climbed out of Kathy saw red glowing eye a red eyes glowing at her while in bed Kathy received red welts on her chest caused by an unseen force and was levitated two feet in the air both of those I think is in Chicago I'm pretty sure that was about time to live I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure a lot doors and windows locks doors and windows in the house were damaged by an unseen force I think because George did it while nobody was looking I'm seeing force the windows the window the window locks fix it cloven hoofprints attributed to a to an enormous pig appeared in the snow outside the house January 1st 1970 I was a man of the most obvious answer I'm a razor man I think it's a neighbor's cow that could be it I think Long Island has a problem with livestock running around the neighborhoods in snow green gelatin slime oozed from walls in the hall and also from the keyhole of the playroom door in the ad it's just mold so when you that's what I'm thinking it was an old house a 12 inch crucifix 30 centimeters for our Canadian listeners hung in the living room by Kathy revolved until it was upside down and gave off a sour smell George tripped over if these are all the events that happen this list is never ending George tripped over a four-foot high China lion ornament in the living room and found by marks on one of his ankles later this line I know I know they are it's just a little bit over and he's like the lion bit me and everybody went oh this is weird instead of going shut the fuck up George you're moral later the line would reappear the living room after George had moved it back upstairs into the sewing room mm-hmm George wait a minute George saw Kathy transform into an old woman of 90 the hair wild a shocking face oh the hair wild a shocking white the face a mass of wrinkles and ugly lines and saliva dripping from the toothless mouth and then they finished their nightly event and went to bed yeah that's what I'm thinking he was banging her and she just looked old I think George is either making shit up or he's having a psychotic episode where he's he's seeing things that don't exist like a beautiful mind only not as nice but he's well again I sleep never make sure I think that's an overactive bladder stress whatnot missy would sing constantly while in her room whenever she left the room she would stop singing and up on returning she would resume singing where she left I'm like that's where I don't abnormality must be paranormal that I can't even continue to ponder on that one that's dumb on one occasion Kathy heard what sounded like a window being opened and closed through the sewing room door even though she was sure no one was in there whoa so that's all the events that that they documented and as you can see they're reaching for straws in several instances I think you think I think maybe about a serious thing everyone these events were making fun of because they sounds stupid but if you lived in house these things happened you would buckle all the way to get so uncomfortable when I get uncomfortable to the point of missing was just singing but she's not singing now why is she not singing if seriously added to all these other things I think it's suspicious to you maybe you're probably right you're probably right I still think he's making all these things up but I'm just saying if we were in a situation where any of this was happening yeah we probably feel the same way but we all we all live in houses yeah truth you hear noises sometimes in your house my own the creaking of the woods yeah sure how's the meat county we want to have not so much more newer construction but the one I think was built in the 60s and two stories and I slept in the bottom floor and I'm constantly creaking the outside light would come on yeah and I lived you know nowhere near the road there were no people walking by the house and I like we come on yeah I would get nervous and then I would go back to sleep because I wouldn't have to like go and check it out like it's probably nothing I'm fine if you've ever lived in a house with an old gas furnace and that's creepy that's creepy all the time the other night the other night yes after I was getting ready to go to bed and everyone else asleep and I heard this banging in the boom sound I couldn't find it walk to different places now and I followed the sound down and as my my water heater going boom boom boom boom yeah these old these old appliances like that these old heavy appliances they're creepy and then it was actually right my furnace just said get out and you know sometimes mad and sing in our bedroom she comes out and she stops singing that's fucking you're back and I hear talking like she's on the phone or something she comes out she's not talking anymore she doesn't talk to me then she'll go back and better when I hear talking and you live in this house you call it Catholic priesthood I think that's the right way to do it although both dear and I are ordained so we could both come and do a cleansing of a wedding just a few weeks yeah we need some sage we know I don't know why but apparently if you burn sage everything's fine well I'm sure we have a stage we can pick out some flowers upstairs well you know it could hurt well she might be a yogurt vampire you're gonna scare you she's past your yogurt bang they have to get to chuck a clove of garlic on her face is hard yeah yeah just smash it I'll tell you what your recommendation I'll get some garlic salt and just go right over there with it that's a good idea all right let's keep making fun of the losses after on the toothbrush I'll find out if you go to the door fast you don't popular so that you have no idea why and then she's gonna say you know all these events started happening people started hating me I don't know why so after deciding that something was wrong with their house they could not explain rationally George and Kathy let's carry out a blessing of their own on January 8th 1970 no but they feel it's George is like you know what I'm the man of this house and I'm very capable of doing this so he held a silver crucifix while they both resigned the Lord's prayer because I don't know what was any water flicking no there was no flicking water today Jared can you show us again the flicking of water that interchange to be all that beautiful audio podcast I hope you guys maybe if we do a live show you can they can coerce you into maybe you can even I was a pastor for five years you know you know how to do this though I mid-January 1976 after another attempt at a house blessing by George and Kathy because I'm sure they're like what did we do wrong we've got the first time we're close we probably didn't do it quite the way I took on the crucifix so just so you know how good a pastor I was at one point in time we had youth service it was going on in the sanctuary and so the kids are playing first with the offering plates and I hit one on a few and dented it and no one to church every why they noticed in they noticed oh yeah but I know I never told with me oh Jared you get out of secret yeah all the dimes roll to the corners yeah so they tried a second blessing and then they experienced what would turn out to be their final night in the house night 28 the let's is no okay a little disever problems I already have with this story the let's is declined to give a full account of the events that took place on this occasion describing them as too frightening you couldn't comprehend other transited as we'd already thought of everything yeah think of anything that last night really haunting me right it was scary it was so scary it goes if you heard about that you be scared to be sleeping on your stomach and you'd only sing in your bedroom you'll be on the same when you left exactly so after getting in touch with father Mancuso the let's us decided to take some belongings and stay at Kathy's mother's house in nearby Deer Park New York until they had sorted out the problems with the house they claimed that the phenomena followed them there with the final scene of Anson's book describing greenish black slime coming up the staircase towards them well that's just crazy and it is leaving a house in the ghost father green slime goes upstairs like I've seen ghost clusters right yeah it's it's there's a lot more fun he's scared he's so scared he can fit so many hot dogs into his mouth and that's certainly it's way too hard yeah on January 14th 1976 Georgia and Kathy let's with their three children and their dog Harry yes how many hot dogs can you fit at once that's the end of my question do I have to eat them or just fit them in how many hot dogs can you fit all of them okay they left a hedge we want to know how many hot dogs do you think Ron can fit all of them leaving all of their possessions fine the next day a mover came entry moved the possessions to send to the let's is he reported no paranormal phenomena while inside the house that's very important to mention the book was written after Tam Mossman an editor at the publishing house you saw Tam Mossman no yes I'm Mossman he introduced George and Kathy let's to Jay Anson Jay Anson had actually worked on several documentaries about the making of he did one on Sydney at one point he did one about the the wild bunch or the dirty doesn't I can't remember but he did a lot of Hollywood though the wild the movies the well but the actual historical wild no no the movies he did a bunch of this is how the movie was made like making of before VHS or anything he was there to document all that so he was really not the Battle of the Bulge 30,000 30 dozen that was not a lot of bunch so these guys got introduced the let's just did not work directly with Anson but submitted around 45 hours of tape recorded recollections to him which were used as the basis of the book estimates of the sales of the book are around 10 million copies from its numerous editions Anson is said to have based the title of the Emmettville horror on the Dunwich Horror by H.B. Lovecraft which was published in 1929 and doesn't that doesn't matter to the story the ancient one is emerging from the house and the ancient it was Cthulhu and the little red rings that we knew is going up so let's talk about some of the criticism and controversy I know it's a part of the Edler and Warren's name is Ed that was haunted that smells like haunted this smells haunted I can't be here let me see let me see what do we have a lot of kids there wasn't enough garlic in that there were more than because the feces were covered up with the with the flowery smell right then put us together in small now the Los Angeles Times review Los Angeles was even there it was not a country where they know on the front cover of Los Angeles Times the review read a fascinating frightening book the scariest true story I've read in years more hideously frightening than the exorcist because it actually happened so really argue with that wrong it's but can't do it on a saleable you cannot pick this apart it's really infallible the LA Times said it was the scariest thing they said it was scary in the exorcist because it's true I mean no one was scared of the exorcist that was no that's that's a review for a million little pieces scariest movie in years scarier than the exorcist what was there you have been to the new batch scarier than the exorcist the greatest business film ever made so the role of Father Pecoraro in the story has been given considerable attention because he's the third party that wasn't with the family had no way of you know profiting off of this or anything during the course of the lawsuit surrounding the case in the late 1970s because they were sued for spreading bullshit Father Pecoraro stated in an affidavit that is only contact with the Lutz's concerning the matter had been by telephone other accounts say that Father Pecoraro did visit the house but experienced nothing unusual there Father Pecoraro gave what may have been his only on-camera interview about his recollections during a 1980 episode of in search of the documentary series hosted by the way he said well first of all his face was obscured during the interview I wanted to be like in the interview that was televised he repeated the claim they had heard a voice saying get out but stop short of giving it a paranormal origin because he's not an idiot he also stated that he felt a slap on his face during the visit and that he did subsequently experience blistering on his hands so those things he's saying were true whether they were supernatural they could have anybody saying these things we don't know this was on TV well he was obscure though okay well that's true that is true the claims of physical damages to the locks doors and windows were rejected by Jim and Barbara Cromarti Cromarti Cromarti Cromarti who bought the house for fifty five thousand dollars oh god they took a twenty five thousand dollars hit on that place but fifty five that's a steal for a place like that where you know nothing actually happened to me the smart stories like we have all the day reports anything happening there no no I'll get more of this lovely lovely happy life in a television interview filmed at the house for that's incredible which if you've never seen it dare you be because you've seen it I'm sure that's incredible with John Davidson that's incredible yeah it sounds familiar but I don't remember it was well that kind of thing real people it was that I remember real people yeah real people was more funny with my own and then and then John Davidson did that's incredible oh here we go Barbara Cromarti argued that they appeared to be the original items and had not been repaired talking about the locks and all that the that's incredible feature also showed that the Red Room was a small closet in the basement and would have been known to the previous owner of the house because it was not concealed in any way I'll tell you this if you're going to a place that has like a basement like a creepy room in it yeah Billy Bass's house is that a little door pretty much the entirety of the basement is horrifying yeah I love it one is like a hallway that takes a right takes a right again it's all brick like stone brick and it's just dead ends and there's a lock on the outside of the door oh I don't like that at all yeah it's horrifying I don't like a Maisie basement is the floor is dirt like earthy basement or creepy yeah but still so the claim made in chapter 11 of the book that the house was built on a site where the local shinnikok Indians had once abandoned the mentally ill and dying was rejected by local Native American leaders who came up with that yeah dark mind you really do not just Native American burial ground like right where they ducked their mentally ill dying Native Americans and then of course the local tribe said well that's bullshit the claim of cloven who should have people like you right exactly you must be thinking of white people the claim of cloven hoofprints in the snow on January 1st was rejected by other researchers because records showed there had been no snow there you go neighbors reported nothing unusual during the time that the let's was we're living there police officers are a bit terrible people right other than all that police officers are depicted visiting the house in the book in 1979 film but records show that the let's did not call the police during the period that they were living on Ocean Avenue there was no bar in Amityville called the which is brutal Ronald DeFeo Jr. was a regular customer at Henry's bar a short distance from 112 Ocean Avenue critics including Stephen Kaplan who the movies have the conjuring movies have that one character that's like you're full of shit let's is that's kind of a Stephen Kaplan amalgam right there because Kaplan was always there going you guys are full of shit you know that right except Kaplan actually did accuse them of being in it for profit yeah and I don't I don't know that Ed Lorraine Warren were bad people and I think they were flaky I think they didn't I don't think they were doing it for profit they would all they were always known to not have taken money for doing this stuff so anyway Stephen Kaplan pointed out that changes were made to the book as it was reprinted in different editions in the original hardcover edition Father Pecoraro's car is an old-hand Ford and he experiences an incident in which the hood flies up against the windshield while he is driving it in later editions the car is described as a Chevrolet Vega before regarding it to afford because it's very important in May 1977 exactly George and Kathy let's file the lawsuit against William Weber the defense lawyer for Ronald DeFeo Jr.
his trial Paul Hoffman a writer working on the account of the hauntings Bernard Burton and Frederick Mars both a legit clairvoyance who had examined the house along with good housekeeping magazine the New York Sunday News and the Hearst corporations all of which had published articles related to the hauntings what women's day the letters I'm sure suit women's day for all different reasons the lessons alleged misappropriation of names for trade purposes invasion of privacy and mental distress they claimed 4.5 million in damages Hoffman and Burton immediately filed a countersuit for two million yeah I like the thought of a high-profile lawyer fighting back or anything but in this case I like I like to picture their face going oh really you're gonna sue us okay all right the claims against news corporations were dropped for lack of evidence and the remainder of the lawsuit was heard by Brooklyn US District Court Judge Jack B. Weinstein I'm like seriously I rolling a judge would do on a case like this in September in September 1979 Judge Weinstein dismissed the let's as claims and observed in his ruling based on what I have heard it appears to me that to a large extent the book is a work of fiction relying in a large part upon the suggestions of Mr. Weber in the September 17th 1979 issue of People magazine William Weber wrote I know this book book is a hoax we created this horror story over many bottles of wine this refers to a meeting that Weber has said who have had with George and Kathy Lutz during which they discussed what would later become the outline of Anson's book George Judge Weinstein also expressed concern about the conduct of William Weber and Bernard Burton related to the affair saying there is very serious ethical question when lawyers become literary agents here here judge George Lutz maintain the events in the book were mostly true and denied any suggestion of dishonesty on his part can I give it a reaction what he said he went what how dare you how dare we were scared no no in 1979 George and Kathy Lutz took with Lutz the polygraph test related to the their experience at the house the polygraph test were performed by Chris googus and Michael Rice let me say again Chris googus because it's not a word polygraph means no multiple many writings many write that we're going to write very nice something right so lines on it we're educational the results in Mr. Rice's opinion did not indicate line in October 2000 the history channel broadcast Amityville haunting and Amityville poor or hoax yeah a two-part documentary made by horror screenwriter producer Daniel Farons to mark the 25th anniversary of the case George Lutz comment commented in an interview for the program I believe this has stayed alive for 25 years because it's true story it doesn't mean that everything that is ever been said about it is true it's certainly not a hoax it's really easy to call something a hoax I wish it was it's not so take from that what you will that testimony doesn't show us that I wish it was not true but it is so keep doing not commit is please yeah please please keep talking to us the debate about the accuracy accuracy of the Amityville horror continues and debate now I know I know right despite the lack of evidence to corroborate much of the story he did have the last time though that's true it's the scariest thing since the extra says which is true the scariest thing since life's been how how how you even bread it read for that scary it and the door remains one of the most popular haunting accounts in American folklore that is true it's fun yeah if you take it what it is a ski just a scary story yeah just a scary story the various owners of the house since the let's family left in 1976 have reported how many problems while living there exactly James Cromarty who bought the house in 1977 and lived there with his wife Barbara for ten years commented nothing weird ever happened except for people coming by because of the book and movie and eventually they may get to this here in a second but eventually they they moved the entire house from well 112 option haven't they said because people kept harassing the owners or whatever and drive might have take a look it would be awful wouldn't it that'd be like a horror story yeah I was amazing that this lovely house and then your bomb are people all the time well my just not tourists and onlookers and I bet it's kind of like the three of us see all the time republics are so we did because they crowd us but I know run and I know that if run at all these tours coming to his unhanted house he pretended it was haunted and you guys are doing that so charge our job and I'm gonna know you would not know you would not because you would hate having your house I would I like to change on the map well well that might be part of the show for 50 bucks chainsaw they can sleep there for 50 bucks tonight and I will scare the shit out of him just by walking around in here oh yeah got it baby and he says all these with the whistle exactly Kathleen Lutz died of emphysema in 2004 in George Lutz died in 2006 of heart disease the couple had divorced in the late 1980s but remained on good terms so that's the this is what happened to those guys at the events the only two people that could tell you a hundred percent what actually really honestly happened they passed away pig looking or the child saw the pig face Melissa I'm not sure whatever happened to her there was there was only one let's kid that would be interviewed in the most recent documentary and he had done jail time he didn't it's not a happy story for the kids and even even the kids can't tell you exactly what happened because of the parental coercion or the the parents making it seem like this whole thing was happening and the kids were getting scared they were like well we'll just you know live through these next the kids cannot reliably given a count of what was happening in that house and say this is what the truth is during the period in which the Lutz family was living at 112 Ocean Avenue Dr.
Stephen Kaplan who is a vampirologist and ghost hunter was called in to investigate the house. Kaplan in the Lutz has had a falling out after Kaplan said that he would expose any fraud that was found and that's why I respect Kaplan. Yeah Kaplan went on to write a critical book titled the Amityville horror conspiracy with his wife Roxanne Saltch Kaplan the book was published in 1995 and of course says it's bullshit everything is bullshit on the night of March 6th from a vampire yeah I mean who's admitting that he believes in this stuff and he goes into the house and says that's bullshit on the mark on the night of March 6th 1976 the house was investigated by Ed and Lorraine Warren husband and wife team self-described as demonologist because fucking everything is demons with those people it's never just oh you have a poltergeist to demon every time and see what they're looking for that's exactly it they had with them a crew from the Channel 5 television station in New York and reporter Michael Linder of WNEW FM the Channel 5 News goes to 112 the Amityville Horror House during the course of the investigation Jean Campbell took a series of infrared time lapse photographs one of the images allegedly showed a demonic boy with glowing eyes who was standing at the foot of a staircase the photograph did not emerge into the public domain until 1979 when George and Kathy Lutz and Rod Steiger who played the priest in the Amityville horror movie appeared on the Murf Griffin show to promote the release of the first film one 12 Ocean Avenue was also investigated by the Paris psychologist Hans Holzer Hans Holzer? Hans Holzer?
Hans Holzer you've heard of him I'm sure haven't you? No the Warrens and Holzer have suggested that the house is occupied by malevolent spirits due to its history like Native Americans not being buried under there George Lutz registered the phrase the Amityville horror as a trademark in 2002 and it is referred to as the Amityville horror on his official website may I just say he's 30 years past trademarking that to making profit because all the films had already been made and none of them were very good I don't think the first one I like is a you know it's a fun old horror movie the rest of our story is awful no no not even close let's claim that the film producer is for a photo of a demon boy yeah and that's the only outcome that was like actually a photograph oh I've seen that picture that little fellow there that coconut with glowy eyes I don't know history versus Hollywood yeah it's a creepy looking photo but you can't automatically say yes it's definitely a spirit because there's literally just a child next to a staircase because there's a midget swinging in the Wizard of Oz they are like I don't know why you would jump to I can't hear a bunch of I don't know why you would jump to demon when you get it I give your scene and all I can tell you back in the 70s if you looked anywhere near the camera you were gonna get glowy eye like that was a thing it's not like you can't go in when you're developing the film and make the eyes right looks like you like that exposed so let's claim that the film producers embellished or fabricated events were traded in the 1979 version of the 2005 remake let me repeat that let's claim that the film producers embellished or fabricated events oh the filmmakers did hello kettle have you met the pot he's black too he also claimed that the producers of the 2005 film did not involve his family and that they use his name without permission of course as anyone who has a mild interest in law knows that George Lutz has no case whatsoever as he gave his name to the book the Amityville Horror and then that was carried on so no George you don't get to say this is bullshit this movie called the Amityville Horror is my name without my permission you gave your permission in 1976 the permission to use the book right permission use everything in the book exactly so he's a so happy little bastard isn't he he's looking for ways to make money absolutely the house known as 112 Ocean Avenue still exists but it has been renovated in the address changed in order to discourage sight sears from visiting it the famous quarter-round windows have been removed and the house today looks considerably different from its depiction of the films the house in Tom's River used as a location for the first three films has been modified for the same reason people kept yeah bugging the people live there for the 2005 film version the house was renamed I like the no I like that one I expected to hate it he's great and Melissa George played his wife she was wonderful the house was renamed for 12 Ocean Avenue I don't know why the 2005 film really makes is that the basement of the let's almost built in 1692 but 112 Ocean Avenue also known as high hopes was built around 1924 for John Gafford Moynihan yes hi hope hi guys I hope straight the local residents and authorities in Amityville New York are unhappy with the attention that the Amityville Horror brings to the town and tend to decline requests to discuss it publicly the website of the Amityville Historical Society makes no mention of the murders by Ronald DeFeo junior in 1974 or the period that the let's family lived at 112 Ocean Avenue so Ron you've you've been shown this in this house since I saw it on real people would you consider something similar an expert on this no okay I'm gonna ask you a question anyway yes how did the shark get inside the house how did the shark get inside the house the shark attacks have been able to how did that happen inside the house it was built on the canal so you had very high groundwater and it just sort of swam to the red room the red room is actually how far the job is from my blood I need to get in there that is talks about there's an episode of crime scene investigation New York that was based on the other order and that's just a side note there in May 2010 the house was placed on the market with an asking price of 1.15 million more than 55 grand in August 2010 it is a little bit more and 2010 the house was sold to a local resident for $950,000 yep on August 21st 2010 the departing owner held a moving sale at the house and hundreds of people turned up for the event they were allowed to go inside the house but not to visit the upstairs rooms or the basement oh and that is it that is the everything you need to know about the anodol horror run thank you so much I hope you are interested that we interrupted it constantly no we made through this one right yeah I have really good time well this is what I was saying the way go thing is so kind of dark that I could have done anything and it would have seemed lighter like that's like how this is like we just go through 100 house and like horror stories it's gonna be well like for two years I kept wanting to do something I'm going to do that I was like just do the defail murders yeah there's no fucking way I'm gonna do the defail murders after wake up yeah but the ending of all things to me those are fun it is a fun good time how we need sort of thing I'm trying to make this a little more like because I know it's coming next week yeah we are we're gonna revisit something that's happened twice already right something you may recall the wild cards fixed education just a little bit of a while the cards are going to crack at it we're going to be now could not be less than so the wild cards are gonna revisit our idea of fixing things that are broken because we're good at it we we look to a sense since all society since our episode on the justice system in the education system both of those programs turn around astronomically we fix it definitely we were defended all right absolutely there are no further complaints about the system or the systems now that guys we love to hear thoughts on the article horror yeah on sitcoms I want to hear whether they think it was true or not whether whether it's even possible to listen to what I there's no evidence whatsoever except Georgia Kathy let's say I'd be interested to hear is what are some horror horror stories or paranormal stories that you think have some credibility to them I would like to hear us present on I would like what I like to hear yeah and debunk I would like to hear what people think is definitively you cannot tear this apart this is a ghost story this is what happened and I would love to know we won't know what happened my step other game you want to do eventually you just did a paranormal so I'll try to work back to it but I want to know I want to know what their thoughts are on the paranormal story ghost stories are awesome they've been around since the aliens you've done that moffman I love the what was the one with the aliens the second aliens with the word random for us yeah that was great I let you know all these supernatural things are fun yeah they're just a hoot and again a lot of fun they're entertaining that's why people like to hear I'd like to hear your thoughts like are there any of these stories you want to talk about and which one of the three of us would you like to do it oh you want to tell your story picks your favorite little ghost story natural story we all can that right now we'll not be offended if you choose the other two I'm not in the show because if you choose one of them then we get to listen to the story that's exactly the less work we have to do yeah so we'll do that so yeah you know if I were assigned a supernatural thing I wouldn't hate it yeah I love them obviously I'll have some of these any stories also one of those important things is what are your thoughts on newest song from all cartoodius oh yeah you know you're welcome you're welcome we give because we love the last two weeks were kind of dark we wanted to bright it right before we went back into the abyss and long island and what's coming next week and on that note until next time stay wild and by the edge