Hello? Hello? Welcome to the Log Card Podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eaton, and my co-pilots on this journey to wherever.
Are my good friends, Jeff Curtis? Hello. And never judge a book by its cover. Or who you're gonna love by your lover.
Love put me wise to her disguise. She had the body of a Venus, Lord, imagine my surprise. Ron Blair. Hello everyone.
I wanted to do a spit take. Dude, that's like a lady. That's like a lady. Do I need to raise the window?
I'm dressed as in. I look kind of like a lady. Not really, but those were my boobs. Right.
You used your own boobs? No. No. Even they weren't big enough for it.
As the resident, dude looks like a lady of the podcast. Yes. There's no one more qualified to tell all those out there in the ether. Yeah.
What this podcast is all about? This podcast is all about forgetting that we have to have something to go with the question that you've just asked me. So that's what it's really about. It's about forgetting.
It's about forgetting. It's about forgetting. It's one of the more accurate ones I think you've actually said. Let's let them know.
Let them know. I like the Mandel Effect. I woke up at 10 to a text that said 10 o'clock today. Yeah.
But it's Wednesday, Ron. Okay. No shit. I've got a story for you about us on the way here.
That's where my head is. Like Mackenzie's radio is obviously different from mine where mine will play the radio display on what it was hers. We'll just play the clock. And in my haze on the way over here, we lightly heard a little Christmas music followed by like rock music.
And I went, oh, what is this? This sounds good. And it was cheap tricks. I want you to want me.
But it was cheap tricks. I want you for Christmas. Yeah, I've heard that for sure. Yeah.
First of all, your brain goes, it's actually really good. Okay. And your first thing you go, what? What is this?
They changed the music. I'm not even on. What the hell? We just heard the song in our hands.
It's a time of the game. Yeah, it was weird for a second. I remember. I'm weird for a second.
You partially sleep from it. Yeah. I'm in Kenzie's car. Yeah.
I'm halfway into the coffee. I'll get there by the time we finish this. You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee.
You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee.
You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee. You're halfway to coffee. By the time you're done with your report, you'll be awake.
That's what I'm saying. Congratulations today. Ronna said it. We thought we'd think you would say.
Right. Projimations and what I'd say. Mostly just cursing. It just spouts out the effort of your time.
It's a big joke. That's about it. God damn it. Actually at work, I'm so glad I work with cool people because we were talking about the blizzard that's not going to come this Sunday and how it was supposed to be 8 to 10 inches.
Now there's a 0% chance. There's a 0% chance. But let's get back to the 8 to 10 inches. And then, oh yeah, I was making jokes like, well, you're going to be disappointed.
We're probably going to be at the 10 inches. And then somebody said, I heard we were going to get pounded and then I just started laughing. I'm sorry, you're not going to get pounded by 8 to 10 inches this week. I defaulted into that inner 12 year old.
Well, there's nothing better to go from that inner 12 year old favorite question. I agree. Because there's not a more natural transition than being pounded by 8 inches. And now let's talk about Disney.
Oh, it's me. Great. It's a bit of a good sound. So we're all different ages here.
So what is your all's relationship with Disney? My really, I never, I think I was a teenager. I was probably 16 or 17 or maybe older by the first time I actually went to Disney. Okay.
I'm talking more about the movies. We watch Disney every weekend. You know, Saturday, you have the middle of Omaha with presenting the wild kingdom, the watch, wild kingdom followed by the records and Jim. Yeah, every weekend, Saturday, I think Saturday afternoon.
And you were growing up during their where they were really doing the live action stuff. They were pushing that almost as much as I could. Well, they said they would have moved, you know, they had various up, but they'd show their, they'd have movies and sometimes you'd see half of them in the next right. It was an hour long.
So, but I used to love it because it wasn't, it's very seldom it was cartoons. It was a live action. It was a parent trap. But it wasn't just parent chess.
I remember movie movies. Yeah, they had those, but there's also like, there's a Disney movie and I remember it's like these white settlers and these Mohawks and it was like revolutionary war times and stuff. They did a whole bunch of, there's a lot of Disney movies that you never see. You only see their comedies.
You only see their bread. They have my stuff. I mean, these were family movies, but these were historical dramas. They can't remember seeing a few of those.
I mean, the guy who played Dano in the original Hawaii Five-O, he played a teenage boy who was kidnapped by the Mohawks and came back and had to re-enter white society. And as a Disney movie. Yeah, yeah, I remember just snippets in my brain of seeing Disney films, live action Disney, it wasn't so much comedy. It was very informative.
And it was beautifully, beautifully shot. They did a variety of stuff. It wasn't what you think of it. I mean, it was what you think of Disney, but it was other stuff as well.
No, Disney's always, it's just a state equality ever since Disney started doing the cartoons in the 20s. So about you, what is your childhood Disney series? I was raised during the age of consumerism. It was a whole blitzkrieg by Disney.
You know, I had the Jungle Book. It was a Jungle Book thing where you'd listen to the record, the story of Mowgli, and then it would go turn the page. And then you turn the page. We have that.
Of course, the films are around. Fox and the Hound. I remember my mom. I was still crying.
I was on my mommy home from Fox. That was so hard to watch. Yeah, that was a really tough one. And the Rizzicats came out when I was a great guy.
Boy, that was a good one. I didn't see that one until I was in college. I didn't see that one until I was in college. But Fox and the Hound, Pete Straggon, we watched it every year in school.
That's one of my favorite Disney's ever. You know, and of course, the parent trap. What was the other one that was with Hayley Mills? There was just a shit ton.
And we still had the wonderful world of Disney. It was on Sunday night. And there was a series of, I think, three movies that had Kurt Russell. As a teenager, there were ten or two.
Yeah, and one with a monkey. Yeah, and he used to chip something. He played a guy who was in college or something like that. And they were spying on the Dean's Office through electronics.
Yeah, in fact, it was funny when I was researching John Carpenter. I heard an interview with him talking about when it was between Kurt Russell and somebody else for the movie Elvis that Carpenter was directing. He thought he must have been looking at a different Kurt Russell because he only knew of Kurt Russell who had done all these Disney movies when he was a kid. And sure enough, it was grown up young Kurt Russell showing up there to start an adult career.
Disney had all these things in your contract where you had to have a certain kind of lifestyle. It wasn't just your acting ability. It was part of the Disney image. So people would have to try and break free from that eventually if they wanted to do other stuff.
Because they would have to show it to the beach movie specifically to break away from the Annette mold from the Mickey Mouse Club. What were you thinking of Pollyanna? It may have been Pollyanna. Maybe that darn cat.
No, it wasn't that darn cat. It may have been Pollyanna. It was probably Pollyanna. No, it seemed like the period.
I'm 35, which was not Haley Mills at all, but still a great game. I grew up in the early 90s. Right. So a lot of cartoons.
Yeah, you got more cartoons than I actually knew Disney from. Yeah. Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Lion King, Aladdin. Right.
I was like, I was 16 when Little Mermaid came out. I still loved it. Oh, we went to the Disney parks. You know, every once a year, every once every two years, I went to Disney a lot as a kid.
Yeah. Now Jeff, what is your experience with those Disney cartoon movies? The ones that people think of like the like Beauty and the Beast, I had moved to New York. I was in my 20s.
I was like 30 or late 20s, early 30s when that came out and I saw those are movies from my adulthood. I would not see them. But you know, if I was 16 when it came out, that would have put you at 25. You were grown up.
Oh, yeah. So there was no. Yeah, when they started these Disney cartoon musicals that you guys think of as classic Disney. They're not making right.
Yeah, they're not classic Disney because they came out now when I was in my 20s and 30s. They came out for me as an adult. When I was a kid, the classic Disney musical cartoon movies are like aristocrats. There was this dog one.
What is this dog? The lady on the tramp. Things like that. Those are the classic Disney cartoon movies to me.
Yeah, those were released when you were growing up. And how often did you get an opportunity to watch like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty or Snow White? These are the huge classes. Dumbo, I watched that.
Oh, they would be played on the Disney show. They came out once a week. That's what I was wondering about. You'd see it.
I saw all those. Yeah. But they weren't the big movies that you'd go out and see because they'd already been out. So like all of the movies that you'd see on the Disney channel, I wasn't the Disney channel.
The wonderful world of Disney came out after the Wild Kingdom. They would be stuff that Disney had previously released. But at that time, since there was no cable, most of the movies that you'd eventually see on TV, not all of them, but most of them were movies that had been out for some time and then they finally made it to TV. You'd be looking forward to seeing these movies made it to TV because that was your only opportunity to get to see them.
I don't get to get to see them for the first time, even if they were cut up for commercials and all this stuff. Unlike today, there was no place to go out and rent a video of it. No, no. So you had to wait for them to come out again.
Yeah. Yeah, they did. I remember seeing a re-release of Bambi when I was a kid. They would re-release them to the theaters every once in a while.
And I remember the Dumbo. I grew up with Dumbo. And I remember Pinocchio and Dumbo scaring the shit out of me. I don't like Pinocchio, but I find as a kid, I found Pinocchio the freakin' scariest music ever.
But all these kids are turning into Donkeys. That was bad. Me, right? But Disney never shied away from scaring the shit out of kids.
In fact, they did... Fantasional, your favorite, isn't it? I love Fantascha. And I believe I saw that one as a kid.
You know how sometimes teachers will play movies or pieces of movies for kids at school? Sure, sure. Back in my day, they'd rent these real-to-real films. And sometimes these kids get stuff on these real-to-real stuff in class.
So here's what I wanted to do. I wanted to do a little Disney talk. Here's what I wanted to do. Here's what I wanted to do.
Here's what I understand. You two. I'm talking to you two at this moment. The ones who are listening to us.
You people. You people. I'm saying, in the future of the future, we become the source of media for everyone. They're listening back to us.
They're like, you're talking about Disney Corp? Like the Disney that runs the world now? Because they've got Star Wars, they've got Marvel, they've got everything. So the Tartsland understand the perspective.
It's why I wanted to do a little Disney back. I've got a real question. Favorite Disney movie. If you had to pick one, what would it be?
Show it up. I've got to think. There's a lot of action. I'm going to go with a live action Pete Straggon.
It would have been a Latin for me for a long time ago. I didn't know I had to go for a long time ago. Boy, that's a good movie. But then, Hunchback and Anefronomkin.
That one for me as a kid was just so different and dark. The music from it. The Alan Macon Disney films are just top-notch. Well, they are.
Which one of these is even more than other stage adaptations. When I hear this, I think it's a lot of things that I love. I'm thinking about how you're taking this thing. I love my childhood.
These songs that I know and love. Making them better. I don't think they're better. I think the songs in the musical are better than most ones in the movie.
Almost without exception, they're better than ones in the movie. Some of the best ones are still the ones in the movie. Friend like me. That's one of my favorites.
A lot of things you have to adjust in most of those. Take these animal characters and hang out. How can we make this a human? So a Latin doesn't have a boo in the stage musical.
He has three friends and they're not barbershop. That's awesome. They're not barbershop. show.
Did you uh, I think the music, the music, the music, the musical is wonderful, but I like the stage version. I like the stage version. I gotta bring this up because we rarely have a chance to talk about Disney, but um, do you guys remember the small one about the donkey? The kids got to sell the donkey because the donkey has gotten old and it's small and can't do the labor?
Oh my god, it makes me weep like a shy one every time. It's the, the donkey's this little boy's best friend. It's like, it's a lot like that and it's in the middle east. He's all sad because he's got to take his donkey in and he wants to give it to somebody who's not gonna like slaughter it and do the hide and when he's there, he sees the capitalism and the money and hunginess that's going on in the town.
And so he can't find anybody to take small one. He gets into an adventure with the Tanner. They try to take the donkey out. It's crazy.
And then uh, and then he finds uh, Joseph and Mary are there and he's like, and they take the donkey out of him and give him, so he becomes the donkey that rides Jesus. And it's like at the end of it, you're just like, oh my god, that's classic. Even even as an atheist right now, I'm like, oh my god, the little boy in the document is Joseph. Like it's just a real pretty story.
It's a beautiful story. Watch that one in school by the way. I don't remember that one, but it sounds classic. Oh my god, it's amazing.
Oh, we're gonna chance. If I remember it, I'm just again, I'm just picking because it's perfect because you're making me pick right. I'm going to choose the original. I always love the music as I love the music.
I would sing the music. What a hip. So that's really, that's what I would have thought was that? Oh, I would have thought it was maybe a couple of songs because it holds up really well.
We can tell the difference in animation in terms of the quality of the writing of the music. It's great. Speaking of music, favorite Disney songs. Everybody wants to be a cast.
Just pick up the wrist. I was less hellfire from the phenomenon, but I really also like go the distance from Hercules. I don't know if you heard that one or not. It's one I really like.
There's a lot of really good Disney songs when you're special looking at them. Yeah, and it's hard to pick one. I've got the whole shirt on the other. It's at one point.
Then the mangan years. They've just had the best. I've prepared Scarcele and I was like that. I'm gonna stick with pizza.
I'm gonna go with candle on the water. You think I can smoke on the water? Yes. Smoke on the water from Atlanta.
It's one of the tracks that didn't get in the middle of the fire. It's fire in the sky. It's my genie. The last thing I want to do with the Disney section here, because it's just a wall card tradition of all of the Disney catalog cast your fellow wall cards.
Who would they be from Disney movies? Which character? I know who I want to be and I know who I want to be. But let me think about this.
You have a second one. You're on your phone. So Jeff, you'll have to help me. I don't really understand the name.
You've said a wrist catch many times. Is it Tom? Tell me I talked to him. The other one is a new one.
Princess of the Frog. I've heard it's good. I would say Louie from that. It's a crocodile who plays the think trombone or trumpet or something.
It's something musical. Those are my characters. The wrist catch 1970. If we're going to go with the movie you just heard.
You have to get it. The brothers and the frog. Ron would be the John Goodman character. Oh, I didn't know he was going to hold that or whatever.
Oh, I need to see this movie now. I've heard nothing but the soundtrack is awesome. I just know that's about his favorite beast. Yeah, well, that's a good old figure.
Keith David is definitely a he's the doctor. I love his song. He's a friend of the other side. Yes, I got a friend of the other side.
I'm going to be based on this. That's part of that Disney. Is that the best? The best of the gods.
Who you want us to say for you? The star. I don't know. I think beast is probably better choice.
I like that. Scars get a little seductiveness to him. Yeah. I got a little seductiveness to him.
I'm quite surprised. I'm quite surprised. Right. What's that bear?
Balloon. Balloon. That's a good one. That's the same guy that did the voice for Tom so melon.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love blue.
Let's see Jared. Who's Jared? Jared is trombone. First of all.
Okay. Interesting. I get it. I see him as the swab dog.
Eating the romancing the... Oh, okay. It's the tramp. He's the tramp.
He's the tramp. I play the tramp. God, what is our basis here? What do we need?
Disney movie ever. What's your performance wise or personality wise? What have you seen this? Yeah.
Okay. It's like last week of wrestling. Ladies, when their favorite parts of the law card, they're like, that's what they were too overwhelmed with. The answer is they couldn't...
I didn't think of any good stuff. It was too much. He could be Kurt Russell in all of the curtains. He would be Kurt Russell in every Kurt Russell movie.
And Jared would be Herbie. He would be Herbie. Herbie the Lovebug. That's you.
Great. I would say, I'd say every Dean Jones character ever played. Like you are a Dean Jones. Or a Fred McMurray.
You don't know Dean Jones ever. I might have characters that play the... Yeah, there's the divide between yours and my generation of Disney and Jared's. It's vast.
And you started that. I just started the divide. I'm right in the middle. They were going for that commercialism in the later 80s.
But in the early 80s, they were still clinging on to that wonderful world of Disney stuff. And so, yeah, I was right there. I saw it all. I guess I guess I could see it.
I know the real little bit of the professional's from McMurray. So science got every man. Yeah. The same thing.
You can do it every man. That's what I was talking about. I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that.
That's more right. That's more right. What? What?
If I were in a lab and I was thinking that big fat guard with the same card. That's what I was thinking about. That's what I was thinking about. The other one.
That's a good one. That would be a real good one for me. Jeff is the Jim Isaacs character from a Hunter Rollo. Yeah.
I wanted to be Rollo. I wanted to be Rollo. I wanted to be Rollo. I could have hit all those notes.
Oh, oh, Salt being thrown today. It got real shady this. Sorry, Tim. Sorry, Jim.
I think what I was talking about, before I'd even do was no edition. And knowing who was going to audition. I kind of thought, Klay would try for that. And I think Tim really brought a physical calendar with my size alone.
That you don't often see from from all that intimidation. I think that was a really cool thinking about the role. And I got to be his brother because obviously we look so silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly. We're not going to criticize Tim. We know Tim sits with the transistor radio as positive. We're wondering why we haven't invited him.
Right. Right. Why haven't I been your guest yet? Yeah.
So, speaking of guests, why don't we have a guest star today that's wrong? That's me. And the reason is the guest stars because he wrote a report. I actually, how many pages is this?
I just kept on writing last night. We'll get through to him. Holy shit. This is such small print when it gets printed out.
Okay. We're going to do our, oh my god. You know, my reading glasses, bro. They might help.
You'll be recording. I really wrote a lot last night. Okay. Today I'm going to start you guys off with questions.
What? I know. It's weird. I read for questions and all that.
I brought out the Do Not Peak paper, which took up one quarter of pages. Yeah, because you thought your probably thought was bigger than that. I did. I thought my phone was much bigger than that.
The check grabbed off the printer was like, oh. You know, my problem is I take the document and I zoom it. Oh, really? And I take for granted that I'm not looking at the actual size that it's going to be one of the top.
That's a print preview thing you can look at. Yeah. What? What kind of sorcery is that?
I'm an old man. Eight to 10 inches of disappointment. So my question today, have either of you seen animal house or catty shack? Yes.
You've seen them both. Yes. Okay. I see parts of each of them.
Okay. No, that's okay. That's actually more than what I expected. Yeah.
I can name bits from them. That's about, that's my context for these ways. Then have you heard of Chevy Chase? Bill Murray.
I'm not a people Murray fan. But you've known it. I know it's John Landis. I've got no context for it.
John, but there's massive. Yeah. I'm not a good man. It's obviously a lot.
John Belushi and Carol Vreimas. Oh yeah. Karen Allen. Nope.
Indiana Jones girlfriend. That's always the one in it. Elmer Bernstein. Rock.
She wasn't running. That was how you shot it. That's how you shot it. Maryam.
Yeah. Where was I? Elmer Bernstein. Yep.
I'm closer. Brian Doyle Murray. Bill Murray's brother. You've seen him.
You just may not know. Hey, all family. What? All 10 of them?
All of them. 11 of them. We're 11 of them. Nine children.
Two parents. That's what, yeah. One wore out mom. Christopher Guest.
Yep. Maybe that's my turn. Okay. Have you heard of the final death?
Yeah. Oh, so he was the one. He was the other one. He didn't know.
That's the entirety of my country. That's right. That's right. It's like, and Rob Reiner is like, why don't you just make 10 louder?
Because this goes to 11. So goddamn funny. And you don't expect. I don't really have spinal.
This is spinal death. I have a DVD of the scenes that were cut from it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
There are a whole other movie that's funny. It's funny. There's like a whole different album that came from that movie of songs that we either got snips and ever didn't get to hear at all. And yeah, because they didn't have a script, they had an idea of what they're doing.
I'm not sure. They were making it up. They were freestyling it. They got all these scenes that they ended up cutting so that it wasn't like a four hour movie.
Yeah. So that it and you get the streamlined effect for this is spinal death. But when you look at all these outtakes, that worked out as like, oh my god. That may have been the first movie I ever saw where I had to work to understand the jokes.
Like I had to put effort into understanding why it was funny. And then once you put that effort in, it's hilarious. You can't unsee how funny it is. It came out my first semester in college.
Totally over and over and over again. So I saw another musician friends in Boston. We went to Harvard Square to watch it. But I didn't know anything.
I heard about this movie. I went there with my friends like, oh my god, I got to see this over and over and over again. Yeah. Aaron Taylor and I, we were talking.
He was talking about the first time he saw it. He and his brother were halfway through before they were like, what the fuck is this? I mean, they thought it was real like a little bit. It's made like a fucking thing.
Mocking everybody's head not been a thing until then. So he didn't say anyway. This is not about spinal tap. But it could be bad.
I know. I could go on and on about spinal tap. We could have a good one about the spinal tap. Have you heard of the films Ghostbusters Vacation, Vlech, Trading Places.
Are we talking about Saturday Night Live? We're in the arena. We're in the arena. Spies like us.
This is spinal tap. The Blues Brothers, 16 Candles, the Breakfast Club. We should talk about the A's. Home alone.
No? OK. That's the thing. Oh, is that's the thing.
We've got to wait now. We think it's a it does seem like a crazy joke. Because of who we're talking about today, all of these things are somehow connected in a way all can make all close. He was an animal house.
No, all of these broadly. They broadly have something in common. We're talking about broads. Yeah.
No, we did that last week. Whoa. In that it's all the progress that was made last week. It's just come.
Undone. Done. Crashing down. It's questionable whether or not these would have become the legendary products or people that they were without the enormous efforts and influence of Doug Kenny, who nobody has ever heard.
I have no idea. Nobody knows who Doug Kenny is. He's the one I was talking about. There's a movie called Feudal and Supergesture on Netflix, which is about him.
And the interest in Doug Kenny, I think, came from Stone, Drunk, Dead, and Brilliant, which is a documentary on the forming of National Ampline Magazine. Talk about what you mentioned out there. Yeah. So as I was writing this, I kept thinking, I've talked about this.
I've talked about this. And I think I mentioned it in an episode. You mentioned it. Maybe two episodes.
Yeah, but that's about it. And I never really went deep into it. But today we're going to talk about the tragically, talk about the tragically short life in times of Doug Kenny. He did more for the world of comedy, modern comedy, in one decade than most people do in their entire lifetimes in the body of work.
He was partially responsible for changing the world of entertainment forever. And this would be through what he founded, the cultural phenomena that it became, and then what that allowed after that. OK. After that.
This is the impact that he had. Let's see, Doug Kenny was born in 1946, which seems like a long time ago to us now, to Estelle and Harry Kenny in Palm Beach, Florida. He had one older brother at the time who was named Dan. And he was beloved and admired by everybody in the community.
They were like, this is the greatest human being to ever live. Dan was. Yeah. Dan was just, he was amazing.
He was the older brother from Stand By Me. That's the exact kind of thing we're looking for, that John Cusack character in Stand By Me, the older brother Danny that that Geordie LaForge, his older brother had died. And then his parents were like, fuck you, Geordie. So anyway, in the early 50s, the family moved to Minter, Ohio.
That's unfortunate. I know. From West Palm Beach, Florida. Yeah.
And then they settled. Sorry, listeners of Minter. Sorry, sorry, Minter. We respect her too.
No, we don't. Please. He said the family settled in Shagrim Falls, Ohio. That's where he considered himself to be from.
Where the father was. He could see how they named more than a lot of the Democrats. That's accurate. These waterfalls to my Shagrim.
Whenever I'm in Ohio, I feel a great deal of Shagrim most of the time. I'm not a big Ohio fan. It's a place. It is a place.
I've been asking a lot of the fans. Do you know what? I'm not sure we must do love conservative. Right?
For president. It's for a lot of Ohio presidents. It's like Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh weren't awful, that's Ohio, the entire state.
His father was employed as the local tennis pro. And his father was a tennis pro. His father was a tennis pro. But he was employed as that's a college.
Go be good at tennis. As I go through this story, because at first I thought, well, Doug Kenny came from sort of privilege and all that. He was around privilege. Like that's still considered kind of a working class.
I think his mom made it a kid. Because I think he had the money. The ones who were just playing tennis. That's it.
They were the people who went to the country. So Doug Kenny was raised around this privilege. But he wasn't a part of that privilege. He attended the local Catholic All Boys Academy until 1964 when he left Shagrim Falls to attend Harvard.
And when he gets to Harvard, that's where the story really begins. But it is important to mention, again, that his brother Dan, who was seven years older than Doug, passed away from kidney disease. While Doug was still in high school. And this is the guy that everybody thought.
He was more handsome than Doug. He was smarter than Doug. He was more successful than Doug. But he didn't live longer.
Doug's got the edge of the kidney department. Well, by much. Yeah. And of course anybody who was thought of by the community in the family when that person passed away, that left him, he knew he couldn't rise to his brother's potential.
So despite all of his successes for the rest of his life, he lived in the shadow of feeling inadequate. Why was I feeling so hard? Right. That's what it was.
Why not me and why Dan instead of me? Because he was better than I am. He's not here, and I'm still in a shadow. Right.
That's exactly it. And his parents treated him as if he were the second best. You know, that's something hard to live. Yeah.
You're not Dan, but you're still here. Right. Right. And see, I don't impress upon his depression a whole lot in the report.
So I want to make it very clear on start that all the stuff that I'm about to talk about, he's going through. Mental and shit. Well, you have to be on it. In that time period, you didn't talk about this.
No. No. You know, when I was young, people didn't talk about this. It's only within the last four or five years, really.