This episode of Wild Card Podcast is brought to you by Breadfruit, breadfruit. The most delicious bread you'll ever have. Breadfruit sandwiches, excuse me? That's dumb, but I call it breadfruit.
The best bread, and sliced fruit. It's a fruit? Welcome to the Wild Card Podcast. I'm your host, Jerry Deden, and my co-pilots on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis.
Hello. And the original Lost Boy, Ron Blair. Hello, everybody. It's gonna be back.
It's been a little longer than normal. We're gonna be over some illness and some show, to folks that you have to take it. But we are back together enough left. It does feel good.
It's gonna be here with a strong bond going on, Ron's grabbing my leg right now, it's very nice. So it's just up. But here we are on the Wild Card podcast, a podcast in which we do what we do, which is typically just talk a whole bunch about whatever it is we feel like talking about. It's our fancy, whatever we fancy.
On a week to week basis, one of us will bring a topic or a theme or a history of something, and the other two will discuss as questions, do a lot of insulting and diverging from the topic. Sometimes we, there's tears of this shed of all the things being cast out of the fiery furnace. All these are possible. One thing we do like to do at the beginning of our podcast is have a little gift to know us.
You get to get a little insight into the noggins of these three movies. I love doing that. And so my question for you gentlemen this week is, what is your favorite canceled TV series? Now not just the television show necessarily ended on a high note with a fine-level of something.
Right, not sure, it's not spelled out. But something that like, it's time was cut short. And there are a couple obvious ones that people would throw out. The number one would be, if you're a nerd, what is the one people always whine about?
Freaks and gigs. Really? That would be, that's my answer. That's my answer right there.
That's my answer right there. That's my question. That's my freaks and gigs. I've heard the name and I never watched it.
And Paul Fieg, who did the Ghostbusters and bridesmaids, did, he created it really and directed several episodes. But it had a very young Linda Cartolini, James Franco, Seth Rogen. Oh, yeah. And Martin Starr, John Daly, who directed the vacation, reboot, reimagining, which I went into the new vacation with a cynical eye being an enormous fan of the original vacation.
And I don't know that I've ever laughed so hard. It was absolutely hilarious. I've been in one to hate it. I wanted to not like it.
I couldn't not. It was so funny all the way through. But yeah, him and a guy named Martin Starr who's done a lot of Jod Appetel projects. What was the nature of the series?
Well, it was about some kids in the 70s. Really, Linda Cartolini and John Daly, it's a high schooler and a middle school where freshmen and some were around there as her younger brother. And Joe Flaherty is the dad in that. Joe Flaherty from STTV, who I love, who I adore.
And it's really just their lives, the life of an average teenager in the mid 70s around. OK. I would have said that the obvious and early answer is firefly. OK.
I never watched it. OK. I never watched that one. So it's not something I was really broken up.
Nathan Villian and Alan Tudeck. Right. Oh, I never did it so much. Although the one I'm going to say is not that far off.
It was a sci-fi show, which typically means terrible, or maybe it used to. It was called alphas. I was not even a pervert. It was only a two season show.
Imagine X-Men, but their powers cost them something. So there was a quirk with when they could access it. So there's one guy who is incredibly strong. But to access this, he had to be angry.
So he had anger issues. Because he was all, we had hulk style. But not like he wouldn't lose control of obviously his brain. But his rage was, or there's one guy who was incredibly accurate, like Bull's eye from the comics.
But if his confidence wavered at all, he couldn't do it. There was a girl who was a telepath in that she could push you to do things you didn't necessarily want to do. So she'd give you a command and you would follow it. But it got her to having a hard time relating to other people.
Because there were people who were tools. I guess so. My favorite character was this one guy who could see electromagnetic waves. So he could see TV with TV.
He could see, he would always often use an avatar because he could see a map in his head. But he was autistic. What was the name of this again? Alphas.
Very good show. Very noble show. And so it's these disparate people who all have severe flaws. And kind of the professor, who did not have any abilities.
Was the only kind of managed them and brought them to use them for these things. But it was very grounded in science. Everything that comes into the problem was explained by science and not magic. So there was one villain once who almost was invisible.
Because she would eluded something about it. She gave off some sort of aura that would trick your eyes into not seeing the peripherals. So it wasn't that she was invisible. It's that being near her, your eyes didn't function against post-human.
So you couldn't see her very easily. So that they were flawed, essentially. Really, a lot of suspense, I'm sure. No, that's great.
That's great. Those were very well together. Those were great shows. Two seasons of on sci-fi.
It left off on a cliffhanger in the end. So you just know what resolution to it. I want to say Moonlighting never ran its course, but it did, and nobody was watching. And that's one of my favorite shows.
It really is. And I thought, boy, they took that off too soon. But they did. It was five or six seasons of a great show that just sort of, it didn't go out like mesh or signed by all the workiers or anything.
It really was one of those. Yeah. And those final season kind of just, it's a shame. It was a great show.
I have no one favorite show. The first four seasons are connected, even though it's a very difficult show to follow. It's a lot of alternate universe, stuff like that. And then the fifth season is just so different.
Now, I like where it ended, but it's such a weird turn. It's got some really good, really good, Don Opel's amazing. Wasn't that also David Abrams? I think so.
I think you're right. And C-WOST really took a lot of weird turns at points. Until the point goes like, I'm burned out. I don't care anymore.
It finally made sense in the end. But yeah, it's the average number. I've heard every one of them. I've just been following up like that.
I think it's the first season. I hated every character. Well, I'm done with this. I like everybody.
All right, Jeff, what you got for us? Cabrica was on the sci-fi channel. It was a spin off of Battle Star Galactica, which was fantastic, which was very popular one of my old time favorite shows. And they did one season, but they played it in.
They broadcast it as 10 episodes. And then they waited a year and broadcast the other 10 episodes. So it felt like it. Well, you finally got the second season.
But that was really just the end of the first season. And they canceled it. Yeah. I also want to say any show with Andy Richter, would be a show that never got to run its course.
He was canceled quickly. I like there have been several TV shows that had Christian Slater. And I've really enjoyed it. Oh, yeah.
There was a cover that was really good. There was one. I don't have to push it. People who've been killed or have been lost.
And he would get these cold cases. And he had an artist who would use the bones to recreate a face. And they would try to give voices to these lost people. And there were some really good episodes.
That lasted 12 episodes. But he did a good job. And there's another one where he was working with Steve's on. And it was like a psychist.
It was still kind of a techie, he was kind of a hard-nosed detective. But it was like psychology. Almost like leverage if you're a watch TV show. Leverage, but psychology.
Does another people above those were canceled, particularly? Yeah. I mean, Kenzie, my daughter, was a big fan of a leverage. Huge leverage.
I'm actually rewatching on Netflix right now. Yeah. I've seen some episodes. They're really entertaining.
I wish the Christian James Gray didn't. Yeah. And I had another show in mind, but I've now forgotten. Excellent.
So it's OK. Well, good discussion. This is one of our better, I think, discussions. So good discussion of favorite TV shows.
And now comes a time that everyone dreads. When we hand the reins of an episode over to Ron Blair. This is good. This is good thing.
Trust me. We're trusting one other. You know, the last time it was a competition. Game show.
It was a game show against one another. It was popular despite what Jeff and I thought was going to happen. I told you guys it was going to be a great episode. And it was awesome.
This time, I don't know if this is going to be a good episode. Excellent. So you know, unbuckle your seat belts. Unless you're driving.
Unless you're driving. Because safety first. Safety is sexy. I was going to bring up space as an episode, as a TV show, and sign and peg, and I'd write.
But yeah, it was two seasons. I don't know how BBC works, but there wasn't enough. I missed it. I'm probably on the other side of the TV.
That's what I'm thinking. I would have liked to have seen more. Anyway, this is a little experiment I have. The last time we competed, this time we're going to bond together.
This is how we need to hold hands. How are we James Bond? We are not going to hold hands. We should.
How are we James Bond? I don't want to. Just don't go on the other side. We are currently holding hands.
I don't know why I'm holding them. I don't know, but I'm not entirely comfortable right now. That's on my hand. And I'm concerned that I have a half-chop.
So yeah. Which half? It's the bottom half. Yeah, the important part.
So this is a little thing called the way things were. Yeah. I feel that one of the strengths of this show is that Jeff was essentially raised in the 70s. Really?
I was raised in the 80s. You were raised in the 90s. And so for all the young children listening to this podcast, now, the legions of young people listening to this show, the children, the tweens, who obviously love the show. Or else Jeff wouldn't have been on Tiger Beach's cover last week.
I was hearing about the way things you raised. When I was a kid. Yes. My daughter loved these covers.
This idea from 17 magazine who interviewed me. You were in all the quizzes in there. These are quizzes a little bit of a photo shoot. I wore a bear skin.
I'm not proud of that because I like bears and they're endangered. But yeah, we've all fooled around with the bears. So I have a series of questions here. All questions, all answers must be the answers cannot extend past when you were 18 years old.
This is about our childhoods. From the time we were born to the time we were born. So much from the hurt. I know how Jeff feels and then I feel.
I'm like, God, I forgot. I forgot because I forgot because I forgot because the brain has intentionally made sure I forget all the dark memories. Oh, oh, well, this is exciting. Let's have some breakthroughs.
All just answers going to be a little bit of Colorado. A little bit of Colorado. 50 miles from anywhere. I know.
I really, I just threw rocks into the canyon and waited to listen to the head of the sound and go back. Cape the can. Oh, don't pick on Jeff. Cape the can.
You're lucky you had a camera. We had all our fruits of us. We had the drill holes and rocks and carried our water and rocks. These rocks come.
Now from the stream. Five miles away. I'm going to answer questions for you, Ron. You're going to answer some questions for me.
I will answer these questions as well because I feel that the audience cares for me. Oh, they do. They love me. All the sexy pictures have been sent like fan off.
The cosplay. That's what really surprised me. I like the fan fiction, but I'm a little embarrassed. And I'd like to straighten out some facts for anybody writing a big fiction because I'm not as awesome as they make me out today.
He's more awesome. More awesome. Much more. OK, let's start with the simple answer of what, in what city were you born?
I was born in Alamoza, Colorado in 1964. 1964. Nine years before I was born. I was born in Louisville, Kentucky in 1973.
I was born in New Albany, Indiana in 1987. So Jerry and I were born right near one another. 14 years apart. Nine years with Jeff and I.
On the south side of the country. I'm going to go brown tag 11 photos of me wait. I'm reading this from my phone. That's not what I was going to do.
So that just popped up. Shut up. I'm going to go brown. I'm going to go brown.
Now let me qualify mine because I was adopted at the age of six months. No, I wasn't. It was one month after I was born. I was brought home.
They signed the adoption paper. So I was raised in Reineville, Kentucky. I was raised in Clark, Still, Indiana until I started school. And that was the next question.
What city were you raised, Jeff? Well, at first I was raised in Monovistic, Colorado. And then when I was 11, we moved to Creek, Colorado. Very good.
Now, because I don't know. I heard of the revival in the Transparent World. I think it was. It went down in the Bible.
I think it was the most. I think it was the most. It was a fight for survival man. Yes, it was the purge.
Yeah, it was nice every day of my life. Was this a rural area, a suburban area, or an urban area? Well, Creed was rural. Monovistic would be considered rural.
But not nearly as rural as Creed. Monovist is the city we would go to from Creed to watch a movie. So Creed was far, far, 50 miles from Monovist. Monovist probably about maybe the size of Elizabeth town, but probably a little smaller.
You know, that blows my mind right now. But back, I'm sure in 64, 65, 60, 60, 67, there were great distances between towns. Because Louisville is 40 miles from here. So if you think how far would you really have to go, I think it's a rare thing that you have to drive 50 minutes or out of 50 miles anywhere anymore to get to somewhere populated.
We're gentrified. Yeah, we're gentrified. So what about yourself? Right until it's a very rural area.
I grew up on the farm, lonely, sad. No, I had neighbors. I had neighbors that I adored when I was nine years old. And that's when, there's two parts to my story.
Pre-nine years old and post nine years old. I would say I was very suburban. That's right, right. Right across Louisville, and New Albany's mostly suburbs.
I'm teaching in Neede County, being in a rural area is new. I'm sure it is. One of the major things I noticed was how you measure your distance. When you're driving in New Albany, you measure your distance you give a time for how you give a time for how long it is.
The time is estimated time of how long it's going to get to where you are. But in Germany and the county, distance is measured by time. It's the actual space between. As opposed to if I'm going to say 10 minutes into Albany, the distance is not that far.
But red light stops, signs here, stops me. Whereas in mean county, 10 minutes is a greater distance. Because it's just not being stopped. If it's not that it's open, that was new to me.
There's something I was like, it's only 10 minutes, I feel like I've gone in great distance. It's just a different perspective on that whole thing. That's one of the strength. And also, like a quiet evening in which I can see the stars was not something I've been used to.
Even though, even though, even though Albany was not urban, like a big city, you still had the haze of a Louisville, the orange haze. You can't see the stars from there. There are plenty of interstates around still and so being in the county is just so quiet. I remember one of the first nights I was in my house, I went up to the next morning and looked at my back door and there was just 8 to 10 deer.
And my thought was, wild animals. They're wild animals in my yard. You were in use of this. All the deer I'd seen were dead on the side of the road.
How exciting, though. It was actually quite exciting. I felt super-cooperish though. Because I feel like if I share with someone, they could be like, hearing an idiot.
No, you feel like you should eat granola and stuff like that. I was drove my hair out long. Denver's not right. No, I like waking up and possibly seeing animals in the backyard.
We have a lot of rabbits. They're really mating-like rabbits this year. I believe they have sex. I believe there's intercourse.
The scientific word is sex. Sex or doing it. The scientific term is doing it. The rabbits are doing it again.
Oh, happy use to say that. That's why we say that. Right. The information is on the farm as I was.
And what did you do for recreation in the summer? Okay. Well, when I was a teenager, I went to work. Okay.
They're getting some guests selling gifts. You're making ice. But it was in a guest station? I guess.
It was in a guest station in town. How old were you? I was 16 when I started working there. Before then, I watched a lot of TV.
Yeah. I get that. You were in comics a little bit. I was in medieval adventures.
Well, I was in medieval adventures. But I didn't really have book. As a teenager, I wasn't in comics anymore at that point. I was into writing songs.
Sometimes I'd go for hiking in the mountains. Mostly... I don't know what the hell I did. Mostly I didn't do very much.
I watched a lot of TV. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough.
There wasn't a whole lot to do. Yeah. Well, I would imagine that far from everything. Well, actually, I take that back.
From the time when I was like 12 to probably 16, maybe 14, I had friends that used to come. I forgot all about this. I actually had friends. They'd come up to the house.
My brother and I, and we had a couple friends. We were doing three, four times a week. They would come up. And then we would play games.
We'd play a risk. We'd play other games. Sometimes we played this game called In and Out, which is just an elaborate hide and seek. We would hide in the house.
Then one person would wait and then it would be about whether you would shoot the person who's hunting for you or whether they would shoot you and... Well, no, no, no. With your finger. You'd jump out of a bang, bang, bang.
And so we used to play that until my mom would tell us to stop doing that, stop banging the doors and things like that. And it was... Do that. So that's...
And we used to play a lot with... This is embarrassing to say, but we played a lot with my GI Joe's. No, I don't think so. I'm not even asking about it.
I'm not even asking about my gollywets. My gosh and figures. We would have adventures inside, outside. We'd build...
We'd build cliff walls. There's this one summer where next to our front steps we hadn't planted any grass yet. And so I dug these trenches and I had all my GI Joe's and my action figures. And they were in these trenches.
And then I took firecrackers as if they were hand grenades being thrown at them. I planted them in front of these walls and blow bings up. That's fantastic. I was fishing like seven-year-old Jeff Flaming fireworks.
No, did you have a flag? When did you get your first flag jacket? That's what I needed. First flag jacket.
First flag jacket. I had one. I couldn't do it all that time. Okay, here we go.
Yeah, wrong player. Are we ronald? I was running. I was running.
People from Reindeville still call me that and I'm like, well, they work for Reindeville. So they come right. They knew me all them years ago. It's fine.
But yeah, the closest one that I still let me call Reinde, like the guy who's right at the border I've known for about 25 years. I'm like, okay, he gets the right. He's my partner in the 40-hour film festival with Richard Marshall. Yeah, he's earned the right because he, like my wife, Michelle.
Today's my 20th anniversary. Thank you. He, like Michelle, has put up with my ship for 20 years. And I know it's been a rocky road for him as well.
I'm not easy to live with, but I'm entertaining as hell. So I grew up in the bottom half of the upper middle class. Like my dad was a school teacher. He was well established.
He was also a farmer. So we were, we wanted for nothing. I didn't, I wouldn't even wear that they would do paycheck to paycheck at times when I was a kid because, you know, from your bubble bath, you don't know that. So during the summers, I played baseball every year from the time I was four until I was 15.
And I hurt my ankle. And then after that I did theater. So sometimes I would do that during the summer. And if I weren't, if I wasn't playing baseball, I was a swimming pool.
My dad had a fear of drowning. My dad did too. Did he, did he make you guys have swimming lessons? I had some lessons until he was young.
Yeah, he made us take swimming lessons. And I think that really stems from the drowning thing. He was afraid of drowning himself. So he wanted us to make sure we were strong swimmers.
Me and my kids were both, we're all, we're all still very strong swimmers because of that. But every day, every day I would tan like a Greek. It was awesome. So you didn't even know you were getting exercise.
So I was, I was a fit kid. I was still a little chubby, but what are you going to do? I like to eat. I had a passion for life even back then.
Let's, and I played a lot of video games. Summer, Winter, it did matter. I was, but in the arcades were air conditions, which was beautiful. So you'd go out from the heat and you'd walk in and you'd hear the blue blop noises.
It was so thrilling, exciting. Yeah, the sound pool being played. Just a clack clack. Yeah, such a fond memories of the arcades during the summer and the movies.
We were at the movies maybe once a week when movies were recently priced. No, I can't come from here. Sorry. No, you would be able to, no, it was the 50 cent per dollar main where they play the old movies and I saw King Kong and Black Stallion there.
Those are the two that I really remember, but, you know, a movie was maybe $4 back then. I would say for me, it's broken into two time periods. I have never been the most social person. I get along with people, but I don't always like groups.
I've always been kind of awkward with people. And so before junior high, I didn't really have friends. Yeah. So some video games I didn't really get a system till later in life.
A lot of TV, action figures too. The minor teenage mutant turtles and dinosaurs. Oh, of course. Animals and dinosaurs are a big thing.
I also read a lot. A lot of animal books, box cart children, animal scoose bumps, all those things. I remember when I was in elementary school over the summer pizza, what I was being called, book it. I remember that.
It was basically a version where all the books you read came like points and you get prizes and stuff like that. And for pizza, I always loved pizza. And so a lot of reading those things over the summer. And then junior high, I started to meet some people who accepted me for who I was, nothing that's super nerd over here.
Right. As you do in middle school, you do it. Right. So I started to kind of find a group and then it was a lot of things like manhood, hangout, his backyard, inventing weird sports with things you don't have a shovel in a football.
Whatever it was you got. So I would say it broke up into two sections of the pre-friends. And then once I had people I would spend time with them, see things like movies and I love their games. Yeah.
The kids down the street when they moved in when I was nine. We played baseball together. We were at the pool together. I was never good enough at sports.
So you never went too small. I did what I was really young. And my dad coached in my team. And I didn't play baseball at the college.
I was like from six years old to college. There was not a lot of baseball in there. Now, it's all balls in my favorite sports. It's great.
I'm a huge fan myself. But anyway, the kids down the street, I would play video games with them a lot. I believe I did the math the other day. I think I spent around 160 days per year at their house.
I was there a great deal. In fact, if you guys remember, I attended a funeral last year. That was the patriarch of that family that I was very close with. During Spamalot.
No, it was after it was during Viberti. Because it was on my birthday, I had plans to go to see the Ghostbusters remake and Austin Hale was going to meet me there. I was just having a super awesome day and I was just about to leave. I get a text from my friend that said we lost Ed this morning.
At first I was like, that was smaller? What? No. Because he was 72 or somewhere around there, he was sort of young, comfortably speaking, but yeah, it was rather shocking.
That's where I spent a majority of my childhood down there. Summer San Winters. I had those friends in junior high. It was a point where on weekends it was expected that I was at their house.
I was never, especially when I was younger, sleeping in. I'm a little better at it now than I'm older. When I was young it was like, if it was 7 a.m. I was awake.
My friends were still 10. So I'll go upstairs and hang out with their parents. I'll shoot in the parents and have breakfast. So I got to know my friends very well.
Also, in the summer I grew up very close to my cousin Stephen, who was two years older than me. And he has a friend that lived down the road from him named Rick. And the three of us would camp a lot during the summers, but like in his backyard. And I hate camping.
I hate it so much. I hate it then. I hate it now. But that's what we would do.
We would stay up at night and his mom would be like, well you can't come in after a certain hour. And we would always go in and watch HBO and stuff we probably should have. Oh, so did you tonight? Yeah, stuff like that.
You know what we watched a lot of, and I'll get to this question a bit too, but we watched, it was always on a Friday night that I would stay the night. We would always watch Fridays, the TV show, that was much akin to Saturday Night Live, but not. And we would watch David Allen, the comedian. He was a British comedian with one finger.
This is one of the most obscure references I've ever made, but you can find him on YouTube. And part of the show was him just sitting there doing a sort of stand up thing, and the other stuff was sketches. And he was raised very Catholic, so a lot of it had to do with religion and stuff like that. So I'm five or six or seven.
I guess by that time I was eight or nine, but that's how we would spend our summers staying up late watching HBO and stuff like that. And then in the winter I didn't say with him as much. It was, you're in school, it's a little different. But yeah, that was the recreation for the summer, and the next question was what did you do for recreation in the winter?
It may be the same thing. How long were winter's for you in Colorado? Yeah, sometimes we'd get our first snow in October and our last snow in June. Oh my God.
I mean those would be the extreme limit. But the leaves are mostly off the trees by the end of October. The snow, I think the early snow came on October 23rd, and the latest snow I remember would be like June six. Oh my goodness.
But generally speaking, it's more like November that it starts snowing quite a bit or December. You're getting spring in April in May, but then it might get cold enough to get a snowstorm, but then it will melt. But we would never consider it winter to be completely over. Or for summer to actually be there until all the snow melted off this mountain called snowshoe, because it had this as a mountain covered with trees, but it had this on this spot in it that looked like a snowshoe.
That was all that was. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, it wasn't valley. It was just a treeless patch, you know, a meta on the side of the mountain.
And it looked like a snowshoe. Usually there would be snow in the snowshoe in June. And then sometimes June the snow will finally melt out of the snowshoe. And you'd have your two weeks of summer.
Yeah. Yeah. So during the winter, you know, school and watch TV and read books and, you know, if there was school activities, you know, basketball was big in my town and I hated basketball. But I kept stats for the basketball team because of what I was like.
And so, yeah, so that was when I first moved to Crete, that was really the only sport they did was basketball. Then they, then they had, they didn't know they did track to. They did track and field and they did basketball. They didn't have enough kids for football.
And then they added wrestling when I was in high school, which then made them almost not have enough kids for basketball. Because everybody, all the boys were expected to do basketball. So by the time there was wrestling, most of the boys in my class wanted nothing to do with basketball. I think there's only one or two of the boys from my class who actually played basketball.
Everyone else either didn't do anything or did wrestling. Yeah. I wrestled a lot, not in high school. I wrestled for two weeks, no, two days on the high school wrestling team and then realized I couldn't close line people or get my headbutt and I thought this is stupid.
I don't want to do this. I just quit. Where's the turn? Yeah.
Greco-Roman wrestling. I was like, this isn't what I'm supposed to be. This is a lot of discussion. Yeah.
So I would wrestle with my friends. We would do, you know, like a little shows, wrestling around and stuff like that. We were impressive. It was a lot of stunt work.
Yeah. I did a lot of damage. You were directing even then. Yeah, absolutely.
I guess for me, I never did a lot outside in the snow. No. Snowman, nothing. Snowball fights.
I just didn't have people. So I just kind of stayed a lot of TV watching, especially then. Oh, damn suburbs. Yeah.
I guess it was. But then I was probably like, oh, I was probably like, you know, junior high school would go hiking on the snow. Yeah. And there's a place in north of New Albany called Team Lake.
Right. And a couple times we'd go there when it was cold because the lake would freeze over. Yeah. And so you could go do dumb things.
Of course. And then one time we parked there, my buddy Mark had his Jeep. It was obviously like middle of high school. Yeah.
Just to melt into the water. This is the corrupted children. This is a bourbon gift. But just because you're so dumb.
You're so dumb when you're young. So one thing I thought was to take a stump and try to pile drive it through the ice I was standing on. Just to see how thick the ice was. Because I'm like, if it supports me, I'm not going to punch through this.
Probably pick up this like log and I'm like bare hunting it. The pile drive. The chip in the ice. They didn't get us on.
You were okay. Was it a kneeling pile driver? No, no. I didn't hit my butt.
I was standing and I was just kind of clogged at the end of the ice. I do remember on the way back to the Jeep. There was this little inlet where the lake kind of came in that was between us and the Jeep. And everyone wanted to go around that to get the Jeep from like the shortest distance, 22 points, straight line.
I'm going to walk over this road nice. And it was shallow. We're in. So I was just being the young and I was just stepping on the ice, start crossing over.
Everybody Jordan followed me behind. And then like a couple other people started following too. And when the last guy got on, he'd be here cracking. Yeah, I know that sound.
But luckily, I went first. So I was almost across. I was on the ice track. I was fine.
I made it. The other guy had to follow me. What are you thinking? I'm doing dumb things.
You're alive now. Yeah. I'm all grateful. I think the deepest pond we ever skated on was not, you know, ice skates with blades.
Nobody would be stupid for us. I didn't have to wear the shim. No, we were just tennis shoes and we would slide out there. But you're talking maybe two feet of water at best.
It was below us. It was like a little pond. There was nothing down there. But we would also trek into the woods.
And we would have a backpack full of newspapers. We would gather wood from out there. We always went to the same spot. Calviz milk.
Right. We would gather all those down the witch back and do a pretty woman. Yeah. And then she became a prostitute.
But married Richard Geer. So everything turned out fine. Yeah. But exactly.
We would go out there with a backpack. Can we talk about for a second? How great that trail was that led us to Chicago? At the end of that, that was a great trail.
It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed that. It was a lot of fun. Now it's really the journey about the destination that's important.
So we would always have WD-40 on us. We enjoyed spraying the campfire with WD-40 and sometimes throwing cans of WD-40 into the campfire and then running like hell. I would have thought of you for that except that we used to spray like lighter fluid out. So across a match and make flamethrowers to melt our other army soldiers.
Yeah. My friends, I was as dumb as these guys were. No, we were dangerous. I'm not saying you two.
I'm not saying you two. We would have a campfire and they would pick up rocks out of the fire. See how long they could hold it. See how long you could do it?
No. You know what we did with rocks around the fire? We cooked soup on them. We would heat up the rocks.
We would take thin rocks, put them near the fire, put the cans on the fire, rotate them. And have... No, Ron. We'd at least put holes in the cans.
Ron, we've got Jeff right here. You're going to brag ahead of cans. I know. I know.
We've got boxes that store your food. Burn easily. We have these. Campbell's soup cans.
We're rich. We're going to do that. We've got panels. We waited for the townspeople to throw tomatoes at us and we took those.
That's right. We'd take the hide off the tomatoes. We would kill and murder our own sheep and deer. So we would pick soup on the fire.
And I remember this particularly breathtaking year when it had snowed on this... When you call that a pile of trees, you've cut down a bunch of trees and you put them in a pile... There's a pile of trees. If there were to add a pile of trees...