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The Wild Cards Pass the Test

from The Wild Card Podcast · host Ron Blair, Jeff Curtis, and Jared Eaton

Welcome to The Wild Card Podcast!  Here is another fantastic episode from the archives!  This is episode 64 of our attempt at this whole podcasting thing!! Today's episode features: Jared Eaton doing Sudokus and Cryptoquips to stay awake, Jeff Curtis having a secret kidnapping code, and Ron Blair burying a battleaxe in Drake Gillaspie. Throughout the episode, you'll hear the three of us discussing such varied topics as: The way this podcast is about studying fractals (Obviously), our favorite conference at which Jeff has spoken in the past couple weeks, the epic battle between The Wild Cards and the Boogeyman (Did Ron catch him in a box trap?), we discuss that most incredible of villages: Frant, and occasionally we part from our tangents to discuss some of the most famous Codebreakers in history: England's Alan Turing and United States crypt-analysis pioneer, Elizebeth Friedman.  We look into their youths, the work they did during World War II, and the lasting legacies they have left on their respective countries. Join us on this journey to wherever and we're sure that you'll Crack the Code with our Puzzling Podcast!!Please like/subscribe and leave comments below! Let us know your thoughts on Alan Turing, Elizebeth Friedman, puzzles, what you think about the state of play writing and film in Kentucky, and if you are interested in being an official Deckhead! P.S. “Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.”~Alan TuringP.P.S. Bite the Edge!

Welcome to The Wild Card Podcast! Here is another fantastic episode from the archives! This is episode 64 of our attempt at this whole podcasting thing!! Today's episode features: Jared Eaton doing Sudokus and Cryptoquips to stay awake, Jeff Curtis having a secret kidnapping code, and Ron Blair burying a battleaxe in Drake Gillaspie. Throughout the episode, you'll hear the three of us discussing such varied topics as: The way this podcast is about studying fractals (Obviously), ou...

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This week's episode of the Wal-card Podcast is brought to you by... The Boogeyman. I saw him by the mailbox. It's just the mailman run.

The Boogeyman. The scaring children. Guys, he's here. Stop it.

You're scaring Jared. I'm scared. If you don't knock it off, I'm going to send you to bed. But I saw the Boogeyman.

It looks like the gas canisters have been deployed. It was probably a squirrel. It was the... I swear to God, if you say...

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I don't know how, but he's right. By God! Where's the battle axe? It's in trade.

Go get it. I'll have to take him up first. There's no time. Where is he?

I don't know. He's not in security drone camera. We have the exploding mic. I pulled the strings.

We caught him. Well, I'll be damned. Ron, I guess the box trap was a good idea. Boogeyman, love steak.

I guess we owe you an apology. Mmm. Steak. Wait, Ron.

Wait. Don't open the... Welcome to the Wal-card Podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eaton, and my co-pilot on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis.

Hello. And the thing that escaped from New York, the man who assaulted Precinct 13 in the fog on Halloween, the dark star man, the Prince of Darkness, who lives in the mouth of madness, and hails from the village of the day on the Rondblare. I'm gonna shame them. Yeah, there's 11 references to John Garb.

I kept counting to see how many of you were gonna get if you were to go home. I got the dark star and star man in one little phrase. I noticed that. There's no fog in there, is there?

I said it's also Precinct 13 in the fog on Halloween. Okay, perfect. So I want to, speaking of Rondblare, I just want to give you a son some credit here at the top of the episode. He's great.

Over the last one, I'll have it with that. Over the last couple weeks, he and Elori Frazier and Savannah Weber, I know that another young man named Zayter, Elen, I go work at me during Power Hour at school a couple times. Mr. Isaac's wanted to have an assembly on Friday to kind of promote positive culture in our school.

In a time now, so far I've heard of any mass shootings so far in the school year. Right, not good. Of course. There were several last year.

And we have one student who started the school year where they're no longer at our school because of the threat. They say they were just joking, but you have to take everything seriously. You don't talk about that anymore. You don't talk about it then?

As a kid, you don't understand it though. But we school district have to take those things seriously. And we have had a suicide in our school year. Wow.

So we wanted to have a positive culture assembly and Tim found this thing called a story of Kyle. And it's just a person's narrative of a person they knew when they were a kid who they did a good deed for one day. And it turns out that that that that guy, the kid was going to kill himself. And the other man reached out to him and invited him and helped save his life in a way.

And so when I did, I took Caleb and Alloryans and Sander and I broke up the story of paragraphs and gave each of the paragraphs where they were overlapping each other until they spoke in front of two thousand students. They were peers. And they really jump in the kids and responded really well to it. So I just wanted to shout him out and Alloryans and fans.

That's great. I'm sure he was honored by it. He feels very strongly about it. It's lovely to see you.

He got the final words too. Yeah. After the end of the story Caleb steps forward. I kind of adjusted to him.

He basically says never underestimate the power of directions. Or power of, yeah. Your actions. And he says with one small gesture and I had each other get echo bat.

They should have four in line with him. One small gesture, one small gesture, one small gesture. Yeah. You can save a person's life or change a person's life.

I'm really impressed with him lately. And both of my kids have been conscientious of social issues where they both feel very strongly about them. So I'm very proud. And a good for Tim.

He always goes out of his way. He always goes out of his way to make sure that there is a good environment for these kids to learn. Yeah. It's the best high school.

Excellent job. He was very, very honest, very open, but also very encouraging. Yeah. Yeah.

I really, I love how Tim runs that school. I have a job speaking of players doing great jobs. It always does an excellent job telling us. What it's calling a help-out.

This podcast is about studying fractals and inconsistencies existing in greater units being isolated to smaller units in the hopes that with atomic coercion the inconsistencies will eventually return to order with new set of rules manipulated into new state of behaviors by the wild cards. And that's why we started the podcast. That's exactly what. You know I remember talking about fractal inconsistencies.

Yeah. Tom, please. Tom, please. Yeah.

That's one of the first conversations at Chatter. Shutteters while we were eating and drinking. What about fractals? We dabble in atomic physics from time to time.

It's a hobby, but it's the only thing is we probably have to say it because the audience gets no these things. They would assume that we're not. They would assume that we're more things in my studio than just a microphone. Absolutely.

64 episodes in a thing. They don't know this is about fractals. Absolutely. We have star shards and all kinds of stuff going on there.

We like to look at models in the universe. Occasionally, in addition to fractals. Right. We like to talk about ourselves.

Right. Most of all. We have our favorite section. And this week's favorite question is, what is your favorite conference that which Jeff has spoken in the past two weeks?

I think it would be the conference that Jeff spoke at last week. Really? I think so. I don't know what I'm going to go with that one.

The theater writers and filmmakers conference. That was a bad one. And Jeff just didn't attend it. OK.

He was asked to do a workshop. Yes. I was proud. I was one of the speakers at this conference.

I spoke on producing and directing the workshop of your own show because of the choreography. Of course, I did it twice last year in heroic is, even though I don't consider myself either a director or a producer. But you've done both. But I've done both.

Speaking of things we talked about. Right. That's awesome. We talked about shows on that day.

But it was a fabulous conference. It was lightly attended, unfortunately. But everybody there knew what they were talking about. It was probably had more film connections than it did.

Or people speaking for more film than theater because Lexington has a big film community. Yeah, he used to work in that community. I've had a number of people and a couple guys from Wrigley Media who do a lot of unscripted television. I had a nice conversations with them.

And their doors are open for us for ideas. And they asked me to send up some music samples. And so I was very excited with the connections I was meeting. It was a fabulous conference.

I learned things that I didn't know that I even wanted to know. And it was great for making connections. No, that's fantastic. And I'm wondering if you could speak at a conference.

I wish organizations like that would reach out and let more people know. I had never heard of this. Well, it was the first conference that they did. So this was the main conference of it.

So you wouldn't have heard about it unless you were invited to it. I put the link on my Facebook page. But I wasn't actively promoting it. Because I'd never been to it before either.

I didn't know how it was going to turn out. It was sponsored by this theater. I forget the name of the group. But there's this theater writing group.

And there's more of guys getting together to talk about their own stuff and to support group. And so they decided to put on this conference. I mean, it was Bill McCann is the person who was really the lead of putting this whole thing together. He did this amazing job.

And I didn't realize until I was set film in the title of the conference. I didn't realize how much film was going to be a part of it until I went to it. And there was lots of dramedist people there too. But I didn't realize like in Kentucky, there were 40 films filmed in Kentucky last year.

People come to Kentucky because of the tax credits and other incentives to make movies here. And they're more limited by the lack of equipment and people that they can hire here than anything else. There's a great need in Kentucky for more camera operators, more cameras, more grip operators, more of the tech people. If you're a tech person wanting to do movies, you could work probably all the time in Kentucky because there's not enough of those tech people in the state.

You certainly could. I'm a psychologist. You should get in touch with this group. They really should.

Well, there's actually the one of the speakers at the conference was the director of the Arts Council or the television. It was the Film and Tourism Board or Council for the state. And they've actually on their website, they've got a link for connecting filmmakers to people in the state that put their down their services on this website. You can listen.

I've got a green room or I've got a studio or I've got a camera or I'm able to do grips and you can put your resume there. And so if you're someone who has the equipment or has the know how to do it, you can get yourself listed and then start working. It was, these are things I didn't know. I'm not someone who's a really explorative of the community and especially in Kentucky.

So I was learning all kinds of things about that that were just blew my mind. And the fact that these two guys are at Danny and Ross, they've made probably hundreds of thousands of episodes of unscripted television, like Comand Garden and Travel Net Right. And all of these kinds of shows. And I just, the fact that people like them were in the state doing that.

And you can, I guess it doesn't matter where you're actually headquartered because you're doing that all over the country. And you're not people traveling around. And the fact that they were so nice and they were so open to meeting and talking with other people and their doors are open for ideas, it just fucking blew my mind. I feel like the Kentucky Film Commission, I've dealt with them for many years on various projects and getting help from them from time to time.

Like in the Pittsburgh area, I had a friend who had worked with George Romero several times. And what they do, and I think Louisville likes and somewhere should do this, E-town, is you have a union grip house. So that if a film comes in, they contact the grip houses. We need such and such many grips.

We need such and such many gaffers, cam operators, all the technical stuff, Dolly grips. And they would hire specifically out of this one house. So my buddy got to work on striking distance. I don't think he did the M night, but that's Philadelphia.

But anyway, if you're shooting in Pittsburgh, you call this house, you say, this is what I mean. Those people loan them out. And that's a, I don't know how involved the union is in running the grip house or the organization of it, but either way. Well, I mean, in the film and music and theater, a lot of it is connections more so than anything else.

My question is always, how do you break into this? Well, you break into this? Well, how do you know somebody? By breaking into it?

You have to meet them. And so it's really a networking kind of game, because these kinds of jobs aren't posted in the papers for job hiring. So you have to be part of these communities where these jobs are made known. And so being part of the union, such as in Pittsburgh, they would make these jobs known, even if they aren't actually doing anything other about connecting people to doing this stuff.

Go ahead. What I totally forgot. What reminds me of what I was in college. We would have posted all over the walls in friendships with various places around the country.

You have a place where people can go to find access to these duties. I remember what I was going to say. Almost every film acting job that I got, I had gotten from being on the set. And another filmmaker saying, I'm doing this project.

I would love for you to do it. So every project I did led to another, to another, to another, to another. All you have to do is get on one. I've got one set where I do that.

And impress people. Yeah, and impress people. You guys, I'm sure, have seen at least one of my stupid commercials. Yeah, I love them.

I love them. One of the thing is, it's like, the only reason I got to do is because I was visiting churches when I came to the area. And I went to one a couple times. And there was a guy who was there.

And we got talking Monday. And then I stopped going to that church. And I think he actually stuck on that church as well. And he's mentioned me on Facebook.

Because sometimes it's just something dumb like that. Bart has thrown a few people my way. It never mounted anything. But that he threw my way.

And was very pretty. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People contacted us on Facebook about whatever.

I never thought it was one. OK, you're going to get paid up. It was about the mail. Oh, the silo.

The silo. Which is a good group of guys. They ended up filming somewhere other than Hodgeerville. And it was right around vacation.

I was going to audition for it. But I couldn't get the amount of days off to do both show them the vacation. I already paid for the vacation. But yeah, any time Bart hears film, he'll refer them to me so that I can refer them to the great place.

And one of the speakers at this conference was one of the, I forget his name, Jesse. I think something he's one of the writers on. Jessica Jones. Oh, yeah.

And another one of the speakers was Charles Edward Poe, who was one of the first draft of the screenplay for the Fly Before, Cronenberg came in. And that's what they're right. But so he's got co-writing credit for that. He's also wrote Dragon Final, a bunch of other things for Hollywood.

And he's moved back. And he's focusing on playwriting. But just the quality of people and just being able to talk with people and just the intimacy of being able to know, just the right environment. That's really the best part of the conversation.

By listening to these other guys who have been there and we learn from their gathered experiences. Speaking of learning from experiences of other people, that's what I'm trying to do in an episode. Outstanding. So my first question for you guys is we get into the topic.

Do you like puzzles? I love puzzles. What kind of puzzles? That's what I'm asking you.

Give me a puzzle. I know what you guys like. I like pseudocos. There you go.

I have some kind of crypto quips I don't care for. That's not the thing I'm hard. I don't think it is. I enjoy pseudocos.

I don't like puzzles with puzzle pieces. I love them. I love them so much. Now, what do you think that came from that love?

From the came from? From the episode about me, I mentioned that my dad, the opportunity, came home with different kinds of puzzles. And I would get praised for being how quickly I could figure them out. That episode was called, Walkards Talk Treasure, by the way.

Thank you. If you want to check it out, it was episode from that. And I had a grandfather who did cross- story before. We had a botany class in my freshman year.

Second tramp in the second semester. It was right after lunch. So I had eaten and I was full. I was tired.

I don't care about plants. I'm a humble person. I'm not a plant person. And the professor was 130 years old.

And he used old clicky slides. And the little rotational rotational slides. And there was pictures. And I just could not.

I could barely say awake. So the way I could say awake was to not pay attention to puzzles. At least I was there. Right.

Somebody do the pseudocos and cryptocook with my favorites. Yeah, those are tough. Once you get started on them, they get easier. Once you understand how to things will be looking for.

The cryptocook for those weren't familiar. He represents M. Sometimes I'll give you one of these. Just so you know, X is A.

So you go through every X and regular A about it. And start piece of the other, usually with small words. If it's a three other word, it starts with A. It's probably A.

Now you know, in a D. And you can start going through that. I used to do those every day. Do you know who created those?

Or something similar? Stephen Sondheim. Interesting. Did he create those?

I know that he used to do the crossword puzzle for the New York Times. He would come up with that every week. Oh, yeah. I'm almost certain he created a quiz.

I'm not 100% about it. He created some kind of word puzzle that we now use on a regular basis. Scripto quipses. Seriously, think maybe, it could be an I don't know.

I don't know, I have to quit because it's just a sentence, whether it's just a quote from someone. Yeah. Second question, did you ever have a secret code with anyone when you were younger? Make a way from me to me, some of the other people wouldn't have understood it?

Yet there can be no, it's OK. I don't remember. My wife and I have a secret code for if one of us should ever get kidnapped. Ha, ha.

There you go. I'll tell you what it is. I don't know. We'll start getting that.

Right. Right. We'll go all over. And I did neither, but on my prom date, my senior year, she and her step-brother had a way of communicating by adding syllables in weird places.

It works so that if you knew what syllables to ignore the words were there, then if you didn't, it just sounded like gibberish. And so when I asked her to prompt my astra in that language, cause I heard him doing it once. And so I kind of figured it out and used that language to ask her to go to prom with me. Did she turn you down in that language?

No, she accepted. People who, what happened to that problem is another story for another person. People who buy drugs often have a, yeah, an agreed upon language of coding that one thing represents another. I'm not gonna give you examples.

Oh, okay. Just in case you intercept one of my email chats. Secret, we're against it. So let's go and think meta about our podcast.

What are some of the things we talk about the most on this podcast? Conspiracy theories. Okay. Nazi.

Nazi. We talk about this a lot. What was this, the cracking? So the question of three is who are some of the most famous code breakers of all time.

I can't remember his name, but there's a movie with the minute cover. Yes, it's called the Imitation. It's about Alan Turing. Alan, is that who we're talking about today?

Who we're starting with. Oh, what a tragic story this guy has. Alan Mafuson Turing was born in June 23rd, 1912. And he was an English computer scientist, mathematician, logician, cryptanalysis, crypt analyst, crypt analyst, philosopher, and theoretical biologist.

He was highly influential in the development of theoretical computer science, providing a formalization of the concepts of algorithms and computations with what was called the Turing machine. He fought the man so hard. Which can, well, we're gonna get to that later. Sorry, sorry, I'm gonna get to this story.

But essentially this Turing machine that he came up with, he theorized and developed, would can be considered a model of a general purpose computer. Pretty much every computer that we have now was, I don't want to say initially consuded by him, but they were being conceived by a lot of people, but his was the most practical design for how he sings. His work was the most important. He is widely considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence.

Well, yeah, Turing was born in Mightavail, London, while his father Julius Mathis and Turing was on leave from his position with the Indian Civil Service at Chateau, Chateau, which is a problem. Chateau, do it. No? You're making it French somehow.

Very early in life, Turing showed science of... Calimon. Calimon, do it at work. Turing showed science of the genius that he was later to display prominently.

His parents enrolled him at St. Michael's, a day school at a place called, how this name, St. Leonard's on C. Yeah, I thought that.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You talked to him there. I thought him. Right, I thought him.

The headmistress at St. Leonard's on C recognized his talent early on as in any of his subsequent teachers. Between January 22nd and 19, sorry, January 1922, not January 22nd, January 1922 and 1926, Turing was educated at Hazelhurst Preparatory School and independent school in the village of France. France?

France? No, France. In South- We're not going to change it with Sean. I'll do it with Sean.

I'll change it with Sean. I'll change it with Sean. In 1926, at the age of 13. I would find a road, I know I'm painting in France.

I'm painting in France. He went on to a Cherborn school, a sporting independent school in the market town of Cherborn, and Dorset. The first day of term coincided with the 1926 general, strike in Britain. But Turing was so determined to attend that he rode his bicycle unaccompanied at 60 miles.

Oh god. In South- to- Wow, so clever. And that's how badly he wanted to go to school, because that strike was on the trains and we were running, so he took it on himself to get ready to go. Wow, that's amazing.

And we'll get back to his athleticism later. He's a super nerd. If you watch a presentation game, he is almost Asperger's level. I was gonna ask you.

There have been some theories that he might have been borderline. He had a personality disorder for sure. I'm thinking. Turing's natural inclination towards mathematics and science did not earn him respect from some of the teachers at Cherborn, whose definition of education plays more emphasis on the classics.

His headmaster wrote to his parents, as a direct quote, I hope he will not fall between two schools. If he is to stay at public school, he must aim at becoming educated. If he is to be solely a scientific specialist, he is wasting his time at public school. What?

Wow, that's a lot about that public school. Yeah. I know you dislike this movie, but Pink Floyd's The Wall. They don't need no attention.

Actually, when they get to be shoved into the meat grinder off the production line, that's the school system right there. Yes, I understand the metaphor when I watch the movie. When I ate it, right before I turned the movie off, I saw that scene. I watched the entire movie.

I've seen the entire movie to make my judgment of the fact that I think it sucks in the movie. At the music video, it's fine. But as a movie, no. Hey, Jack.

We had a conversation. Tear down the wall. Despite this lecture as his parents, Turing continued to show remarkable ability in the studies he loved, solving advanced mathematical problems in 1927. OK, I was 15 years old.

He's solving advanced problems without having even studied elementary calculus. He has no calculus education. He's still solving problems. Like he's figuring out his own.

In 1928, age 16, he encountered Albert Einstein's work. And not only did he grasp it, but it seems he was able to understand some concepts that were kind of hidden in Einstein's writings that many adults and physicists didn't rest. Now, this was a time where Einstein was still active in the scientific community. You want to know?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was his heyday, really. At Sherborne, Turing formed a significant friendship with fellow people Christopher Morgan.

Their relationship provided inspiration in Turing's future endeavors, but it was cut short by Morgan's death. In February 1930, I'm sorry, his death in February 1930 from complications of bovine tuberculosis, which Morgan contracted after drinking infected cow's milk, some years previous. Hey, how did Michael? Everybody got a bite of it.

I'd probably invest in bison milk. Bison milk. Hopefully not in fact. Right.

Bovine tuberculosis. This event is at the death of this close friend. Couldn't they? We'll see the cows coughing.

The cows acting like Doc Holiday out there. The event caused Turing great sorrow. He coped with his grief by working that much harder on the topics of science and mathematics that he had shared with Morgan. This is a letter that he wrote to Morgan's mother.

It's a quote from Ellar. So Turing wrote this when he was 16 years old. I am sure I could not have found anywhere, another companion so brilliant and yet so charming and conceiving. I regarded my interest in my work and in such things as astronomy, to which he introduced me, as something to be shared with him.

And I think he felt a little the same about me. I know I must put as much energy if not as much interest in my work as if he were alive, because that is what he would like me to do. 16 year old wrote that. That's lovely.

Some have speculated that Morgan's death was the cause of Turing's atheism and materialism. It seems that at this point in his life, he still believed in such concepts as a spirit, independent of the body and surviving death. That surprises me though, for somebody who's analytical, as he has right now made. Well, it's probably when he's often.

But he's also written a Morgan's mother, Turing said, personally, I believe that spirit is really eternally connected with matter, but certainly not by the same kind of body. As regards to the actual connection between spirit and body, I consider that the body can hold on to a spirit whilst the bodies alive and awake of the two are firmly connected. When the body's asleep, I cannot guess what happens. But when the body dies, the mechanism of the body holding the spirit is gone and the spirit finds a new body sooner or later, perhaps immediately.

Huh. That's advanced thinking for someone of that. 16 year old. Also, it's a math and science focus, not really a philosophy.

Right. And these theories are not spread wide. This line of thinking the way it is now. It was from France.

It was from France. He was from Idaho. He was from Idaho. He went to school in France.

They're very advanced in Fright and Motaville. Yeah. That's what I'm going to kind of quickly go through the next section of his life, because he's studied under a lot of people, said a lot of really complicated math that I could not understand if I'm not. There's no way to fathom what he did.

Like a normal person can't fathom. And I can sit myself fairly intelligent. And I was good at math when I was a kid, but I haven't continued to study it. So after a sureborn, Turing studied as an undergraduate from 1931 to 1934, three years.

I kicked college Cambridge, where he was awarded first, last honors in mathematics. In 1935, at the age of 22, he was elected a fellow of kings on the strength of a dissertation in which he proved what's called the central limit theorem, which is like a probability statistics analytical tool. In 1936, Turing published his paper on computer numbers with an application to the insurance problem. Insurance problem?

In Shydham's problem. It's a German word. Again, if I had a nickel. For every insurance problem, you had something.

Shydham's problem. In this paper, I would have a hand sense. You could have this as a right. This is correct.

This is correct. This is correct. This is correct. This is correct.

This is correct. This is correct. This is correct. This is correct.

This is correct. This is correct. It's correct. Where are we?

We. We. Where are we. I've been thinking about a lot of different forms of computers and games us so but more states are asking who was also kind of coming to these same theories, but was much, much older than Turing at Princeton University.

And his second year as a Jane Eliza Proctor of visiting fellows in the United States, they do some studying. In addition to his purely mathematical work, he studied cryptology. In June, 1938, he obtained his PhD from the Department of Mathematics at Princeton, his dissertation, Systems of Logic, based on Ordinals. What's an Ordinal?

I don't know. It's like a fractal, but prettier. Yeah, it's not a knowledge. It's more a knowledge.

It introduced the concept of Ordinal Logic and the notion of relative computing, where Turing machines are augmented with what are called so-called oracles, allowing the study of problems that cannot be solved by Turing machines. So he's saying, I built this machine, like it's all math. But if you do this, it's going to be able to solve even more complicated problems. Like systems.

Essentially. John Monnuman wanted to hire him as his post-doctoral assistant, but Turing went back to England. Should we mention that I had no idea what this podcast was about when I told people what the podcast was about? It just fell into place that way.

So how interesting. That's about complex mathematics. Well, we have a telepathy. That's what it is.

Yeah, that must be a, yeah, that's the ticket. Sure. Yeah. Sure.

So around this time, the late 1930s, there's a pretty major event taking place in Europe. I don't know what would be on the rise in Europe in the mid-30s. Certainly. No, it's not correct.

I have for friendship. Friendship. Friendship. Friendship.

Friendship. Friendship. What is fascism, Lee? It starts with an N.

Nationalism. Yeah, and next. Not these guys. Not these guys.

Not these guys. Turing began working at Bletchley. We're back in Nazis. Always.

It always comes to not. Britain's secret headquarters for its code breakers were in World War II in 1939. By one estimate, Turing's work at Bletchley Park may have cut short the war by up to two years. He is credited with saving millions of lives.

He's breaking a... Okay, sorry. Sorry, I keep jumping ahead. The big chunk of that movie is him.

He's making a scheme. Yeah, that's the majority of the war. Which is... The movie was great, but it truncates his personal story after the mission.

Well, it's because it's mostly about that. Right. It's because of his suppression of his personal life. Oh, yeah.

Well, he had to. Turing immediately got to work designing a code breaking machine called the Bomb, an update of a previous Polish machine with the help of his colleague Gordon Welchman. The Bomb shortened the steps required in decoding, and 200 of them were built for British use of course in the war. They allowed code breakers to decide for up to 4,000 messages.

So it's already taking his machines and making them until they can install this crypto analysis. No, was this before the British had captured an ignore machine from the Germans? It was the same time. It was the same time.

Yeah, his job, from what I understand, was to figure out the ignore machine. Okay, so they had to crack out their... My very next sentence, his greatest achievement was cracking the enigma. Yeah, that's why.

By the German army to encode secure messages. I believe that's why he was hired because they had found the machine and they said we can't figure out none of our mathematicians can figure this out. Well, to be honest, they weren't using many mathematicians. Most of the people they had there were just cryptologists who were used to working with secure messages.

But you need a cipher and a German change there's every day. Right, right. So he had to come up with a way mathematically to cycle through with all these different options to get what this code was each day. So he had to crack an entire system instead of us.

He had to build something that at the beginning of the day would figure out what the new cipher was so they could continue decoding messages. Yeah. It proved nearly impossible to decrypt without the correct cipher which the German forces changed every day. During work to decipher German naval communications at a point where German U-boats were seeking ships carrying viozzoplies across the Atlantic train allegations.

Early on, Blisley-Parch's operations were hampered by a lack of resources but pleased for better staffing were ignored by government officials. So, Alan Turing and some of his other codebreakers went over their superiors heads and wrote directly to Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Well, wasn't well received by his superiors. By his superiors.

That's what we received by someone. That's going over his heads usually isn't it? Yeah. One of the code papers...

They said they said they said they gave him no resources. Delivered the letter by hand to Churchill in October 1941. And here's what the kids part of what it said. Our reason for writing to you is that for months we have done everything that we possibly can through the normal channels and that we despair of any early improvement without your intervention.

Things are going to get better if you don't help us. No down in the long run. These particular requirements will be met. But meanwhile, still more precious months will have been wasted.

And as our needs are continually expanding, we see the hope of ever being adequately staffed with Churchill. In response, Churchill immediately fired off a message to his chief of staff. Make sure they have all they want on extreme priority. And report to me this has been done.

I love Churchill. It's a great moment in the movie. Oh, the hope, the bureaucracy. These governments are bureaucratic.

But when you're finding a war, you can't wait for this red tape to go through. These approvals and all that. People are dying every day. And they treat it like an office.

Yeah. Like it's a standard job. You know, it isn't. They got to get on this stuff.

Though Turing's work was incredibly effective, his colleagues were off-put by some of his stranger tenants. Like many geniuses. Geniuses. Geniuses.

That's my favorite name. Geniuses. Geniuses. Turing was not without his eccentricities.

In the first week of June, each year, he would get a bad attack of hay fever. And he would cycle to the office wearing a service gas mask to keep this quality out of his face. I'm sure it's unnerving to see. His bicycle, he rode, had a fault.

The chain would come off at regular intervals. Instead of having it mended, he would count the number of times the pedal's around and get off the bicycle and tell the change by hand. What? I guess I guess I'm thinking about what he's probably thinking.

That's probably like, I'm sorry for thinking and focusing. Another interesting thing is that he chained his team up to the radiator pipes to grab a stolen. Well, he was an interesting fellow. Definitely.

Yeah. While working at Bletchley, Turing, who was a tallied long distance runner, and we talked about his biking early, occasionally ran the 40 miles to London when he was needed for meetings. Jesus Christ, 40 miles. How fast?

How fast? How soon does he require to be at these meetings? Right. He was capable of world-class marathon standards.

Turing tried out for the 1948 British Olympic team, but hampered by an injury. So he's hurt. He tried out time for the marathon was only 11 minutes slower than British silver medalist. Thomas Richards, Olympic race time of 2 hours and 35 minutes.

So he ran a marathon in 2 hours and 45 minutes. It's 23rd. It's 26 miles. He did hurt.

My God. He was a close runner. A fact that he passed the group while running alone. In 1941, Turing and his team managed to decode the German Enigma messages, helping his dear allied ships away from the German show summary attacks.

In 1942, he traveled to the US to help the Americans with their own code-breaking work. And there's some interesting quote that I did now. He's kind of making fun of the Americans work. Right.

In the first trip, he also assisted at Bell Labs with the development of secure speech devices, like voice masking. Oh! Oh! He returned to Bletchley Park in March 1943.

During his absence, Hugh Alexander, he was also in the movie, played by Aussie Manius in a watch on the movie. I forget the actors name. Oh, I can't remember. Hugh Alexander had officially assumed the position of head of Hutt 8, the area which he was working with at Bletchley Park.

Although Alexander had been the de facto head for some time because Turing had little interest in the day running of the section. Turing became a general consultant for cryptanalysis at Bletchley Park. Here's what Alexander Hugh Alexander wrote of Turing's contribution. There should be no question in anyone's mind that Turing's work was the biggest factor in Hutt 8's success.

In the early days, he was the only cryptographer who thought the problem worth tackling, and not only was he primarily responsible for the main theoretical work within the Hutt, but he also shared with Welchman and Keene that she printed for the invention of the bomb. It is always difficult to say that anyone is absolutely indispensable, but if anyone was dispensable to Hutt 8, it was Turing. The pioneer's work always tends to be forgotten when experienced and routine later make everything seem easy, and many of us in Hutt 8 felt that the magnitude of Turing's contribution was never fully realized by the outside world. Hmm.

Well, it was a Matthew. It was a Matthew. Something good. No, I got it.

In 1946, Turing was appointed an officer of the Order of the British Empire by King George VI for his wartime services, but his work remained secret for many years. Between 1945 and 1947, Turing lived in Hampton, London, while he worked on the design of the Ace, automatic computing engine. At the National Physical Laboratory, he presented a paper on February 19, 1946, which was the first detailed design of a stored program computer. So that was the birth right there.

Turing was appointed reader in the mathematics department at the Victoria University of Manchester in 1948 and 1949, and in 1949 he became the deputy director of the Computing Machine Laboratory there at Victoria University, working on software for one of the earliest distorted program computers, the Manchester Mark I. During this time, he continued to do more abstract work in mathematics and in computing machinery and intelligence. Turing addressed the problem of artificial intelligence and proposed an experiment that he came known as the Turing Test, and attempted to define a standard for a machine to be called intelligent. The idea was that a computer could be said to think if a human interrogator could not tell a part through conversation from a human being.

Hmm. So if you were talking to someone on a computer, could you tell if it was a computer or a person? If they could trick you in believing they were a person and the computer was thinking. In the paper, Turing suggested that rather than building a program to simulate the adult mind, it would have been a rather much more similar one to a child's mind and then to subject it to a course of education, to teach it.

A reversed form of the Turing Test is widely used on the internet. The capture test is intended to be a computer user as a human or computer. You have to type in those letters or... Or find the road sign.

Those are my favorites. I don't like typing in the letters. I can't see them. They make it so difficult.

The test was introduced by Turing in his 1950 paper, Computing Machinery and Intelligence. It opens with the words, I propose to consider the question, can machines think? Because thinking is difficult to define. Turing chooses to replace the question by another, which is closely related to it, and is expressed in relatively unambiguous terms.

Turing's new question is, are there imaginable digital computers, which would do well in the imitation game? This question, Turing believed, is one that can actually answer. In the remainder of the paper, he argued against all major objections to the proposition that machines can think. It just occurred to me why that movie was called the imitation game from that sentence.

It's the imitation of the computer imitating a human being, not Turing hiding his own... That's a part of it though. That's part of it. That's part of it.

But that's what I thought was the reason for the title of the movie. I think it's definitely... I was going to wear those double meetings as well. So what do you guys think?

Can computers think? No. No. They can be programmed to behave in a particular way, but they're not sent to you.

They're not learning. They're not learning different things? Well, they built the Watson computer, and it does learn, but they had to write so much code using all these variables for it to be able to learn from past mistakes and learn from... It's all problems.

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