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I don't like doing it this way would deliver the message more clearly. Well, you're both wrong, both of you. Now please, just do the original script. I don't mean to be a dick.
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Why? It's this happening to me. I love that. You know it would probably be even better if you talk about the methods for making cheese.
Like having fun with fondue. It was never about the cheese. Never. It's a good re-righteous stuff.
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Guys. When we first began this podcast, I had a grand vision of what it would be like. I had pictured being one-third of an amazing group of gentlemen who provide entertaining and thought-provoking works to the masses. But as we all went along, I realized that Jeff does these great historical reports.
He engineers this whole thing. Jared, you come up with these brilliant ideas and you do these awesome reports about science and stuff like that. I don't really fit in. I write the scripts and then Jeff changes the scripts and they're always better.
I try to come up with funny ideas, but Jared always makes them better. My reports are stupid. Nobody's interested in what I have to say. I always want to throw in the sound effects like that.
Stupid laughter last week. But I want to do something that's quality without all that. So I thought maybe I could try to direct the episodes. I'm a pretty good director in my own right.
I just thought I could make a difference. That's all I ever wanted to do, guys. Make a difference to you, to the listeners, but mostly to myself. That's what it's all about.
Somehow and some small way, making the world a better place for everyone through our art. Sorry, I yelled. God damn it. You're probably moving directly.
Yeah, that was the reason why I didn't have as much to do because it was more overseeing the special effects. That was literally the effects if you've never done it. It was a lot going on there. Speaking of a lot going on, Ron Blar, you have a lot going on.
I have so much. In addition to all these astounding directing credits. You also are responsible for sharing with our decades each and every week what this very podcast is all about. I don't take that responsibility lightly.
I know that you know. I know that you know. I'm serious when it comes to that. I want our listeners to know that our podcast is about being slow on the draw and needing something to know.
It's about when you're 10 gallon flat. Hat is feeling five gallons flat. Fuck. I'm having another stroke.
It's about when you're getting up and go has got up and went. It's about when you're dancing a hodown and your boots kind of slow down. It's about feeling weak in the knees. It's about hand-gring for a hunk of a slobber slice, a chunk of a snack that is a winner and won't spoil your dinner.
This podcast is about hand-gring for a hunk of cheese. Everybody know that already? I know, but I mean to remind you about that. I'm not sure you're talking about that.
Is he right this after you look at his chair and don't have cheese in the pocket? I did. I totally did. I want you to know that I had to listen to that PSA.
It's a one minute PSA and I had to stop. Listen right at pound, stop. It's a PSA. It's a PSA.
It's a hunk of cheese. You've never done that one. It's called time for timer, of course not. You're too little.
You're just a baby. That's why I'm so young. They were a bunch of PSA's with a little character called time for timer, which was a round thing shaped with little spindly legs. He would sing about don't jound your food, beans and rice was not time for timer, but that was another PSA from the 80s.
Hankering for a hunk of cheese is most famous. Well, that guy's I want to know how many of you are familiar with time for timer hankering for hunk of cheese? Or PSA. PSA's a general.
What is your favorite 80s PSA? Louis the Lightning Bug is on there. He was a lot of fun. I love these.
I'll still look up on YouTube or Hoot. Alright, well, we transitioned into our favorite section. So I'm going to start this favorite section with a question. Do you remember what our first ever favorite question was?
I don't remember it. It's episode two. You asked us about our favorite conqueror. It's episode two.
It's episode two. It takes us 15 minutes to forget what we've talked about. Episode two. We talked about our favorite press.
It wasn't an official favorite. That was a whole episode of my favorite. We talked about Fratric. I'm Jeff said I hate you all.
And I know Fratric. And I don't eat Fratric. I hate you all. I think that was subtext.
I actually got a surprise thing. What are your favorite conquerors? We talked about this week. I would surprise you with another similar one.
Who are some of your favorite explorers of all? Oh, good God. There's so many to choose from. There's a lot.
For example, I went through a few before I found the one where I go. I thought of like, Serena Hillary. I'm not even a good one. Not everyone knows about his companion, Tinsing Nor Gay.
Tinsing Nor Gay? He was the Sherpa, the Nepalese Sherpa who went with him up. Ever. He ended a lot of that.
A lot of people now who climbed Everest, they take the Sherpas and people with him who were like guides. In addition to guiding Hillary up to the zenith, Nor Gay is quick thinking saved his life once. On a previous expedition, Hillary himself, or an Angelic fellow to a crevasse. But as it was happening, the Sherpa stuck his axe into the ice and held on the rope, tired around Hillary's waist for your life.
Oh my God. I'm often more interested in the people who maybe didn't were the first to do something but did something amazing on the way. I would say he would be right there with Hillary as the first. He was the first.
Because he wasn't European, he was the Sherpas. In the name. His name. They kind of suppressed that.
In Zafin Air was the book Hillary wrote, I believe, about that. He's known for his writings but Tinsing Nor Gay did something amazing as well. And Hillary made it back down, which is an impressive feat because a lot of people do not. I think it's 13 people die a year per year.
Well, you have to understand it's a very short window time when people will be climbed. It's like a two week time in a year. Oh my God. That takes balls.
You guys, give me a favorite explorer. I've got a couple more of you on my diet. One of my favorite explorers is a Chinese admiral by the name of Zhang He. He led seven treasure fleet voyages from China between 1405 to 1433.
And these treasure ships, they took treasure with them and came back with also a treasure. They were diplomatic missions to land. Well, to Africa and India and to the islands in the Indian Ocean and in the Pacific. And they'd bring back the treasure they would bring back would be spices and things like that.
And one of the interesting things about Zhang He was that he was actually, he wasn't Chinese. He was Mongol. And as a child when the Mongols were driven out of China, the armies that were defeated and the population, the Mongol populations that were still in China were butchered. But the boys, they were castrated.
Their testicles and their penises were cut off and they were eunuchs. And then they were drafted into the military. And Zhang He was one of these guys. And yet he became a faithful servant of the very people who castrated him.
Wow. I can't remember my head around it at the moment. Look at the guys who want to find life. If you don't know what you're missing.
I guess that's fair. Let me go from the the the the the the eunuch to the epitome of a man. Oh, here I'm being the third. I'm not at all familiar with this person.
So he was a historian and archaeology lecturer at Yale University, not a trained archaeologist. But even in spite of that, he traveled numerous times to South America and used history books and local guides to find lost Incan cities on Yale Peruvian expedition. He may not have been the first person to ever visit Machu Picchu, but it was being a well he published that brought his attention to Western world. So like no one outside of that area would have known what Machu Picchu was if it wasn't for him.
It was his work that led to the tourists that go over here. He is the inspiration for Indiana Jones. That's fascinating. You're a big and true fascinating.
Truly fascinating. But they couldn't have called Indiana Jones. You're being a third. That would have been nearly as cool.
No, that's not exciting. So what do you have? You want to mind? I'm sorry.
Mine is a tie. I have a tie between two of the the first one is a Perry Fawcett who he was the one. He went on an expedition down to Brazil. And he found what could have been remnants of a law city down there.
Civilization in the jungle. And he got so close he found artifacts from what would have been a civilization that people had here to for discovered. And five years after his initial trip out there where he started to think there might be something out there he took his son with him. And he and his son in another companion disappeared.
Well. In Brazil we're never seen again looking for the law city of Z. So I always liked his story. And the other guy it's no secret I don't think because I've mentioned him several times on the podcast is Falcon Scott.
He did the discovery expedition from 1901 to 1904. And I believe Shackleton was on that he was on that. Shackleton was on one of his expeditions. Well, he only did two and the Terranova didn't end so well.
So we know that Shackleton was on the first time. The first Shackleton. I don't know that guy. You said it right the first time.
I forgot. If he had died coming back then I would probably remember Shackleton. Shackleton. We did a whole episode of Shackleton.
He did his name. But it was I may have. That was our first ever life show. I like to throw tits around every now and then.
If I had chosen Jean, I would have chosen Shackleton because I love Shackleton. And Scott and Shackleton were both colleagues in the Royal Geographic Society. And they did not care for one another. They didn't like one another after the discovery.
That's because Scott probably felt that Shackleton was too cautious. And Shackleton felt that Scott didn't care about his men enough. That's absolutely true. And Shackleton proved that he was right because he got all his men back alive.
That's true. But Falcon Scott, I think the animosity came from Falcon Scott sending Shackleton back on a relief ship with Falcon Punch. Take this for you. Boom.
But he's not Italian. He's British. So he's British. He's a chit.
Using an Italian accent. He's exactly down. That was exactly it. But he discovered the Antarctic Plateau on that first trip which gave him the idea, hey, I'm going to beat Rolled Onumson who was also the Royal Geographic.
I beat him down to Rolled Onum. He was writing a weird story about reaching the South Pole with a child and can't have magical powers. There was candy down there. Kind of pulls of Twizzling.
Right. Exactly. So yeah, he saw the Antarctic Plateauian. I got caught back here.
There were five essential teammates on the Terranova expedition and of course they died 11 miles from the depot. That's a quitter. That's a quitter right there. They just couldn't take anymore.
There were five or six men and then I think one or two may have survived but I don't even know that that's correct. And the plate Terranova, they all die. But yeah, he left a wife and a child. Funny enough, I gave you two answers for me but those were not my answer.
Those are just a little impressed me. My actual answer is Douglas Mossen. Douglas Mossen. Oh wait, can I finish my notebook?
I had always found this interesting, this little fact. In their bodies were found in the tent away from the depot. They had in their possession the first evidence of a fossil in Antarctica which contributed to the Pangaea theory. Yeah, because there were- It's been transported down there.
Yeah, there was life at one point in Antarctica. So it was a gloss of terristry that they found down. The fossil of the Galapas terristry. Cool.
So they actually did make a discovery even though it wasn't the people that get to this out pole. Yeah, yeah. They actually, the Terranova was a fantastic expedition. It would have been ridiculously successful if they were to come back and even when they didn't come back they built statues for Falcon Scott.
They were very quite a bit. They were still kind of anti-climactic to not come back. Well, there's the dramatant. There's the drama of dying.
So if you're just seeing it from the outside, yes, it is anti-climactic. So just the story of the endurance is actually connected to my guy as well. Mossen actually traveled with Shackleton on one of his early expeditions. Well, all of you have all three of our explorers are connected.
His own survival story is I would put up there with the story of the endurance. The Australasian Antarctic explorers, I guess from that area of the 1910s, this was his expedition, Australasian Antarctic expedition was to visit an unexplored region of King George V. Which was part of the Antarctic, Antarctica directly under South Australia. Okay, I'm not ego driven at all by the title.
Mossen, he contracted across the ice with British officer Belbury V. Ninnis, what's that guy's name? Swiss skier, I'm going to go, Xavier, Javier, I'm going to go, this is Gabriel. That's good.
But 35 days into the expedition, Ninnis, the British officer fell through the ice into a deep crevasse, taking many of the sled dogs and putting them with us. So now immediately there are only two people left. Oh, God. The two divers turned back, having little food and five weeks of travel ahead of the team to get back to the river.
Wow. So there's no easy way to say it, but wait, so if it is, they ate some of the dogs. Right. And then those other parts, two remaining dogs.
Yeah, Falcon's got to the same name. So the jackalden. Yeah. Both of these men grew sick and gaunt.
Mert actually went completely insane and died, possibly related to eating like the dog liver that has high levels of vitamin A, which can cause that. Mossen himself, the last man standing, fell into a crevasse, had to pull himself out twice. Oh, man. He made it back to the base where they had started from, only to find out he missed his ship by a matter of hours.
Oh. And had to wait in Antarctica for another year. No. Had supplies there.
He lived 40 more years. He survived that half. 40 more years. That should be a whole episode.
Yeah, that's amazing. Well, we've done several explorers and I didn't want to necessarily revisit the exact same kind of thing that jackalton did, but pretty astounding explorers. That's amazing. So you've been on one of the Jackal's inspirations and was going to his area.
He obviously didn't make it because freaking in his stick, all the dogs are doing that. But if you're going to die, man, don't take the dogs away from his men. Or follow the crevas by yourself and leave everyone else. Don't waste the dog.
Dawson fell into crevasse and he climbed out twice and twice. And you can do it. You just need to be a man about that. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm not going to tell you. Right. Right.
All right. This, my friend, is a doretta. Yeah, he is a doretta. So I love some questions.
Oh, yeah. So here's my question. Mostly for Ron, but Jeff, you're welcome to answer. Well, over the topics I suggested for Ron to present.
We did this a couple of weeks ago. We did each other's suggestions. Right. One was a John Hughes one.
No, that was a good one. That was a good one. I didn't think about that. Another one was the wall.
That was the other Jeff. The wall was the other Jeff. The one who tried to be. The other one.
The other one. No, wait. And I get two very generic ones. Yeah, I remember them being generic.
Serial killer? Yes. And then cryptids. Cryptids, yes.
Little zoological wonders. Question number two, what is a cryptid? A cryptid is an animal that cannot really be documented. There are whispers of its existence, legends that they exist.
Like Bigfoot and the P. Here's the Wikipedia definition of cryptid. They're animals presumed by followers of the cryptosypto-scientific subculture. I respect that.
The prescripting of the existence of anecdotal or other evidence considered insufficient by mainstream scientists. I'm not sure what I said. I mean, we mainstream. We mainstream media.
We mainstream media. The biologists regularly identify new species. They do it all the time. They follow scientific methodology, whereas cryptozoologists focus on entities mentioned in the focal record and in rumor.
Right. Into these that may be considered cryptids by cryptozoologists including Bigfoot. Yes. The Chupacabra.
Oh, yes. Or Mexican goat sucker. Moquellet and Bembe. Oh, Moquellet and Bembe.
So it's an African. It's actually early 1912 reports of dinosaur. Oh. Like a brontosaurus.
Well, that could have happened though, right? That could have been an actual thing. Well, the prehistoric creature has been known to survive. Have they?
Yeah. Have dinosaurs been known to survive? Yeah, the 65 million years of the fish. The fish.
A lot of the ocean. Yeah, they're ocean. Yeah, they're ocean. Yeah, I know.
But they still survived. They said the last nest monster may be a pleasor. There is no monster. It might be a pleasor.
There we go. It could be. It could be. No, we have to be there.
That'll be the episode one day. We'll do it one more time. I can't work with close minds. But that is not what today's episode about.
Related to the scientific studies include young earth creationism, ghost hunting and ufology. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's your apology.
All of the kind of connected science. That's not like a rumbler. I just instantiate his existence. Well, can you really?
Can you instantiate the legend though? Yes, I can. That's true. There is substance evidence.
Was that him or was that me? Oh, that's the question. That's always the question. So here's question number three.
Yes, okay. What cryptid is the subject of a 2002 movie featuring Richard Gere and has an annual festival. Oh! Yeah!
The Muff Man. The Muff Man. We're going to talk about the Muff Man. The Muff Man.
He doesn't cause damage, but he portends natural disasters, which is cool. Does he ruin your clothes? Yes. He shows up.
He shows up. He starts knocking on your shirt. So here's an article from the Point Pleasant Register. Again, this is Point Pleasant West Virginia.
This is the center of the piece. Let me forget the deuce story I've got another just off the wall. Can you wear those cedar things that you put in your clothes to get them all out of the cedar chip? Can you carry those in your clothes and they'll protect you from the muff Man?
All the cedar shirts that are made of cedar. Just as a principal. That's smart. I like the car of cedar shoes.
And then I wear them around. I'm safe, right? That's not just shoes though. The shoes, because his hand is way up.
I can make myself a cedar armored jacket. No problem. You probably won't bite it. Unless you're wearing all black and then you can't see it all.
Don't have anything light up on your body. I'll see you back. Here's an article from the Point Pleasant Register dated November 16, 1966. This is an article from a newspaper.
The title is Couples C Man-sized Bird Dot Dot. Creature Dot Dot Dot Something. Something. Wednesday, November 16, 1966.
Direct quote. It was a bird or something. It definitely wasn't a flying saucer. Two Point Pleasant Couples said today they encountered a man-sized bird-like creature in the TNT area about midnight last night, which was the TNT area was like a little caving side.
It was like a sort of like, I should have done this. No, I wish it was full of the cedar. Mining area. I think it might have been like a property.
Anyway, there's something else going on there. I believe National Parks owns a great deal of the caverns down in that area. But it definitely wasn't UFO. No, no, UFOs are not real.
That's not what it is. That's not what it is. Shares deputies and city police went to the scene about two o'clock this morning, but were unable to spot anything. But the two young men telling their story this morning were dead serious.
And asserted they hadn't been drinking. Have they been smoking? Steve, let that out. Steve will have a 3-0-5 Jackson Avenue.
They're giving people's addresses in this article. What the hell? People are used to being about 809-30-3. What the hell?
Describe the thing as being about six or seven feet tall, having a wingspan of ten feet, and red eyes about two inches in diameter and six inches apart. How would that thing hide? Six inches apart, inside the mover. What they saw was a train crossing, like one of those big holes with the ding ding lights?
Well, how many inches in diameter are jazz eyes? Three, two, three. Oh my god. He's the moth, man.
Shh. Shh, shh. Direct quote from Malette. It was like a man with wings, Malette said.
It wasn't like anything it'd see on TV or in a monster movie. In a monster, Phil. The men and their wives were in Starberry's car between 1130 PM and midnight when they spotted the creature in the old power plant that chased it to the old National Guard artery buildings. It's like a Scooby-Doo thing.
It really is. What were the wives not mentioned? Well, they weren't the ones talking to the reporters. Oh, yeah.
They were there, but they didn't talk to reporters. The mail show. I know. I don't have to put women down.
The teacher was seen standing on three occasions and was described as being extremely fast. And two occasions he was seen sitting smoking, reading a magazine. What occasion? He was doing a car meal.
Were all three of these occasions in this one? Yes, in one. Because there's a lot going on here. Because I think the bridge collapsing was much later.
Oh, I'm sorry. I get a shit. It flew about 100 miles an hour direct quote in flight, but was a clumsy runner. Deputy Millard Halstead said he had seen dust in the vicinity of a Colofield, but it could have been caused by the bird he said.
I'm a hard guy to scare, Scarborough said. But last night, I was forgetting out of there. I was forgetting out of there. They did just that, but the thing followed them.
They said it was hovering the car, apparently gliding, until they reached the National Guard armory on Route 62. We went downtown, turned around, and went back. And there it was again. Mullett said, it seemed to be waiting on us.
He said that the light gray light creature been scurried through a field. It had also flown across the top of the car. 100 miles an hour. Who said 100 miles an hour?
No, it was a. It's just a quote in the paper. Like it's got a watch on it. It was moving real fast.
I'd buy that. Yeah. 100 miles an hour. How about you know it's 100 miles an hour?
As a layman, how do you know it's 100 miles an hour? Right. Approximately. It was apparently a afraid of light.
Malette reason. And maybe it thought it was scaring us off. The young man said they saw the creature's eyes, which only when their lights shine on it. And it seemed to want to get away from the lights.
They said it looked like a man with wings, but that the head was not an outstanding characteristic direct quote. Like a tiny head. It was not an, it just wasn't something you, your eyes were drawn to. That's why I had my generation of that.
Both slightly pale and tired from lack of sleep during the night, following their harrowing experience. Wait a minute. Okay. Lack of sleep following experience not before.
It was a good night. They speculated that the thing was living in the vacant power plant, possibly in one of the huge boilers. There are pigeons in all the other buildings, but not in that one. Not in that one.
There's a mothman in that one. He's not staying there. Right. If I'd seen it while by myself, I wouldn't have said anything, this is very common, but there were four of us who saw it.
They said it in resemble a bat in any way, but maybe what you would visualize as an angel. As an angel? An angel. Last time they saw it was at the gate of the CC Lewis farm on Route 62.
How good would you feel if you were CC Lewis? And like, what was in my farm? What was in my farm? They heard sound like wings flapping, and they said the bird rose straight up like a helicopter.
This doesn't have an explanation to it, but let's say. It was an animal, but like nothing we'd ever seen before. That was a military experiment. Sounds like it doesn't it?
Are they going back to look for the creature? No. Yes, but let's say. What?
This afternoon and again tonight. It scared me. I'm going back over it. I'm going to look for it.
This is the final final line. Today, Scarborough said, but tonight, I don't know. That is the entirety of the article that was in the paper. Wow.
All of that was the article in the point pleasant register. OK. In West Virginia folklore, the Mothman is a creature that was reportedly seen in the point pleasant area from around November 12, 1966 to December 15, 1967. OK, well, how many signs of people are there?
100. 100 sightings of the Mothman by different people. Well, no, no, no, no. Oh, hold on.
There were 100 sightings in that year time. That's not all the sightings of the Mothman. But 100 sightings within that year. In this location.
Within, oh, like, it's like, South Eastern Ohio, West Virginia, the area there. There were some of them were in the prostate line. But the rest of them were all after this one. This was the first one.
The rest of them were reported after this one. Some of them were claimed to have occurred before this one. So for example, though the Starberry and Malette encounter with Mothman was the first to make headlines, the Mothman had been spotted a number of times earlier than that. In fact, sightings of Mothman or something similar come back for years, possibly decades, in some case, hundreds of years earlier than that.
Are all the descriptions the same? It's, they're such vague descriptions, generally, that they can all cool it to all be the same. So I want to hear more about the folklore of this guy, like the before printed media or anything like that, really existed from mass production. Oh, good.
Oh, good. I'm going back to the back. So we're going back a little bit. OK.
So three days prior. Wait, I thought we were going right back. We're working on that. OK, I'm sorry.
I got a little answer connected to the Point Pleasant area. There's another one. On the road to wealth Kenneth Duncan and four other men were digging a grave in a Clinton and Clinton on a cemetery shirt. Wait, was that their job?
OK. OK. They're digging up a grave. OK.
When a brown man-like figure flew out from some trees and glided over their heads, Duncan reported his story after the Millennium Scarveries came forward with their sighting. It really sounds like the Falcon and comic book. Something like that. He was recuperating in the woods.
The Duncan sighting sounds similar to the National Guardsmen who saw something on November 1st, a couple weeks before this. He observed a large man-shick figure on a tree limb at the armory. And I listened to a podcast about this. A podcast called Asuna and Legends.
And they did a five-part episode on this. Each episode is over two hours long. Holy crap. So they went in-depth on pretty much every sighting.
I am obviously not going to do that. But when they talk about this National Guardsmen, they have like, version of counts, the interview with this guy on the whole. That's the first one that I really hold any credence to, because if the National Guardsmen has a sighting he has to report a five-minute-ness. There was a picture of the record.
So I found a mothman Wikia that has a timeline of events and a lot of the research comes from this week. An example of an older sighting elsewhere in the world would be the Crimean Crow. The Crimean Crow. In the mid-1850s, during a six-day battle of the Crimean War, on March 14th, a man of five Russian soldiers crept towards the center of the battlefield, planning an ambush just after midnight.
According to the sole survivor of the group, this is well, you'll understand why this is a survivor of the moment, these guys suddenly blackened. And a headless, crow-like creature appeared above the man. The man had lost their bearings and fled back to their own camp, where the Russians mistaking their for Turks opened fire on them. So their own people, only one man survived.
Only 40 crab. That's something. They saw a headless figure flying, it seemed like a man-sized crow-like. According to other sources, the man actually were Turks, and the animal was actually a sort of bat.
So there are a lot of attempts to explain these things. Yeah. Russia actually has a long tradition of folklore and sightings of, I apologize for what's about to happen, but Lewyuski, Chelebec, or flying human beings, that's the transition. Yeah, they make good ribs.
So there were other sightings going to, but that was the one I had the most with it. Is it the only European sighting that you're... But again, Russia has a history of this time. Right.
That's specifically your descriptive syndrome. No, that's specifically a flying human being. The translation I just poorly butchered is a flying human being. So they have a tradition of flying human beings.
So just in general, Mothman, that man. But here is a sighting in South America, around the same time as the West Virginia sighting pickup. Our next winged man was described as a headless angel in the summer of 1915, so 50 years prior to what happened in Virginia. Lewyuski, Ababora, and three other young shepherds, were playing along a ridge near Cabello, Portugal.
They reportedly saw a figure like a statue made of snow, which the rays of the sun had turned somewhat transparent, hovering in the air. And this is Portugal. Huh? Well, it made a way around.
It's not America, Russia, and North America. Sometime in 1960, 1961, so about five, six years before, the witness no longer remembers the exact date, a lady in West Virginia who was most prominent in civic affairs, according to this. According to the person who interviewed her. Yeah, lending her credence.
Who was most prominent in civic affairs, but has requested anonymity, was driving on route two along the Ohio River on the West Virginia side with her elderly father. As they passed through a sector of the edge of a park known as Chief Cornstalk Hunting Grounds, a tall manlike figure suddenly appeared on the road in front of them. I slowed, she said years later. And as we go closer, we can see that it was much larger than a man, a big gray figure.
It stood in the middle of the road. Then a pair of wings unfolded from its back, and they practically filled the entire road. It almost looked like a small airplane. Then it took off, straight up, disappearing out of sight in seconds.
We were both terrified. I stepped on the glass and raced out of there. We talked it over and decided not to tell anybody about it. Who would believe us anyway?
Well, here's the thing though. Even birds can't fly straight up. And a creature that big without some kind of jet pack couldn't just fly straight up. Right, that needs downward propulsion.
You would have to, even if it could fly, it would need to gain speed and gain less. So the idea would be it is so paranormal that it can defy gravity in some way. Yeah, but it can't. Correct.
You are correct. I want to mention the place she was driving past was called Chief Cornstalk Hunting Grounds. Fighting Chief Cornstalk was born in 1720. I was a prominent leader of the Shawnee Nation, just prior to the American Revolution from 1775 to 1783.
His name, Hokalesqua, translates loosely into stock of corn and English, and is spelled klesquine sum accounts. He opposed European settlement. However, in his youth, they later became an advocate for peace after the battle of Point Pleasant in 1774. His murder by American militia man at Fort Randolph during a diplomatic visit in November 1777, outraged both American Indians and Virginians.
Some say that he spoke a curse on the land just before he died, but there's no way to verify. I actually have the curse that he was reported to have said. Maybe I do. It might be in this manner.
There is definitely a curse. There could be a curse spoken. I came to the fort as your friend and he murdered me. You have murdered, great, by my side, my young son.
For this, may the curse of the great spirit rest upon this land. May it be blighted by nature. May it even be blighted in its hopes. May the strength of its peoples be paralyzed by the stain of our blood.
Wait, let me stop here right there. Did he write this curse before and then say, just in case they murder me, I want this curse to be like now. Absolutely not. The report is after he was shot, he said that.
Oh, I'll end the time right before he died. As he was dying out, he was calling. Exactly. I can't imagine being that eloquent while I'm dying.
I'd just probably call him a motherfucker and be like, motherfucker. I curse you. You scum my son and me, you hate you so much. I hope you all suffer.
I hope you guys see the mothman, who doesn't know harm, but spooks you a whole lot. That's the curse. My man is delighted. This man is blind.
Go ahead. So here's one of the aspects of the research I find most fascinating. And it connects back to one of the catch reports from a few months ago in England. Oh, yeah, the Randall Shamphor.
The Randall Shamphor is citing of the Bigfoot. What would you do? I'm pretty sure it was. What would you do if you saw something you could explain?
I can tell you this story and I can't tell you who it's about, the subject of this little tale. And it's very brief, but this is somebody I've known my entire life and found them to be a very stand up, reasonable square, for the most part. Just live in life the way you're supposed to. And he claims to have seen a UFO.
And I didn't find out about this until a few months ago that this person had seen a UFO. And I said, what the hell? Why didn't you tell us? And he said, because people who talk about those things get put away.
So he never told anybody, except someone else who I'm very close to. And yeah, he swears up and down. It was like the legit UFO unexplained kind of thing. Because people call you nuts.
If you've seen one, he kept it a secret for 60 years. What about you two? Oh, I've never seen it. I don't matter on it.
That's the whole point of this podcast. Of course, our thoughts about it. But here we are giving them. I think there are a lot of things that are unexplained.
And when you see something, your brain starts to try and figure out what it is. Our brains are wired to find meaning and chaos. And so I haven't or I haven't had she's dead now. But I remember her saying one time that she and one of my cousins, they both claimed that when they're driving, this isn't Colorado.
One night they saw a UFO following their car. I believe that they believe that they saw that. I don't know that they didn't. I can't prove that UFOs don't exist.
But I do know that that research has shown that when your brain is under stress and you see things, your brain looks for answer. And so if you've heard about UFOs, you're likely there. Oh, that must be a UFO. If you've heard about the Mothman, then your brain starts to put together all the pieces that can make this shape or this weird thing that you're saying.
Not only that, but you could join the group mentality of I've seen this instead of being the one person who goes, I don't want that one. Let me stop you two right there. What you're saying is absolutely wonderful. But you are not answering my question.
Hold on. Let me answer your questions succinctly. I forgot what you're saying. I'm talking about saying off-camera.