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You're the thinnest Jeff Curtis. You are the thinnest Jeff Curtis. No, I'm not that fan but no. I'm not that fan but no.
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This show is the worst episode ever. I'm gonna go popcorn and big bites. Some of us have vegetables. I see.
I see. I've had 3,000 other grams of telenol. I did. I had 3,000.
I had such a headache. I'm usually immune to telenol, but I feel super. He did count out his bills. He took a handful.
I'm a smaller mall. This feels right. So I'm gonna get back to the more normal favorite type questions. How boujee.
How boujour. I'm gonna get a couple more ones. But I think this is gonna be one that Ron in particular you love. Oh.
Ron, I'm gonna get a favorite horror movie of villain. Oh. Crime andy. And I've given a couple of extra things you can think about.
Okay. Who is the scariest? Or who do you think you can take? Is there one where you're like, I'm not that ...
Yeah. I'll smash the little China doll out of it. It's fine. When I was a kid, Jason Boyer gets scared of the shit out of me.
I find him much less than fitting into Michael Myers. And that's the ... They're very similar. They're very similar.
That's a huge debate right there. Jason or Michael? I like them both. I have not seen at all the time.
Or how do you guys put the original Halloween in a just ... I know. I know. I know.
It's very close. Jason, I found a little scarier though. And probably because I lived on a farm, and I always expected to see him at the back window. Something like that.
The question for you is the expert. Ready the Kruger. Ready the Kruger. If you don't have dreams.
Everybody dreams. Right, but I never remember mine. But it doesn't matter if you remember it or not. You have them.
You have them. If you have them vividly. I think that's a big part of his dreams are your cognitive is during dream. Like most people are like.
He would make you. Yeah. Yeah, that's his power. Okay.
I thought his power was just going into him. You're doing a Michael Jackson where you're taking the stuff they give you out surgery to so you can sleep. Yeah, he comes there. Actually that's your ass.
Because you have no control over going to sleep and you have to stay asleep for a certain amount of time. So you're not dreaming while you're under the general anesthesia. Everybody dreams. Anytime you go to sleep you dream.
You don't remember it. Yeah, and that's what I love people do though. Like I love people really remember the dreams. I remember most of the nightmares.
I have a great nightmare. I never had a nightmare. You've never had a nightmare. You've never had a nightmare.
I don't dream vividly. I'm like there was a dream in there. I have two dreams. I can tell you right now.
Why? I remember it currently. Should we? Yeah, let's go there.
Okay. Well the one was really young. Yeah. I think you know dreams are typically left over thoughts from the day plus things that left depression on you.
Right. So I was watching rescue 9-1-1 because we still watch that because I was a TV show. Why was that a TV show? I don't know.
I was freaking out. People like watching other people in danger. It's all shot in order. I remember the dream involved something along those lines where my mother had died.
Yeah. And something about like the screws loose in her body or something. I don't know. So that's freaking.
But then she came back at the end. So it's fine. Well that's a fear manifestation. Of course.
But it wasn't even that much of a nightmare. Like here's my mom again. So I wake up. It was like that weird.
Yeah, but you're freaked out. And while you were dreaming it. You remember it. But you know I was scared of getting nightmares.
Like sweating and still afraid of something. I was scared of that. I've had those. I'm usually if I have a bad dream I'm getting shot.
That's happened. That was really disturbing. And for a while I had dinosaur nightmares because of Jurassic Park. But in April.
Well actually the end of March to the beginning of May in 1993. I had 28 nightmares out of those many days. So out of about 35 days 28 of those were nightmares. Yeah.
The next year during that same time period it had less than that was about 18. Yeah, I don't know what it was. And I'm wondering if you can't do it. Wow.
Can nightmares be? No I matter. I would think it would be made on a certain dress that happened. I was 20 years old.
Probably felt a little lost with no clear path to what my future was. I was trying to lie down the couch. How is that different from your life now Ron? Not at all.
He's not. I've caught so many people in the time. I know where I'm dealing. Right.
Exactly. I don't so much have those nightmares. I have a nightmare once a week maybe. Well.
I wouldn't even say I wake up remembering a dream once a week. Wow. Yeah. I also don't sleep well.
Like I wake up a lot when I sleep. I don't sleep well either. But I wake up with my dream every time. And then I'll usually forget it unless it's creeping me out.
Well now that I'm on the CPAP machine, which when I was not, I wouldn't sleep enough to dream. I feel like I dreamed it all. And now with this machine, I dream all the time. I don't always remember them.
But you know how you wake up and you can't remember the dream, but you know that you dreamt. And that's how I often happen. And a lot of times I'm disappointed. I've had more dirty dreams in the last three weeks than I had in my entire youth.
So wet nightmares? No. No. No.
No. I'm quite wet. Okay. I think it's been possibly scrumptious.
Yeah. Yeah. Delectable. That's a good thing.
That's an excellent word. So we've been talking about these end of villains. My favorite thing. You could take the scariest one.
Yeah. Pumpkinhead was really scary. Not lying over it. Oh, Pumpkinhead is a big creature.
It's the vengeance demon. Okay. And the whole thing is if you're in the Appalachian area and somebody does something, yeah, it's pretty bad. But if somebody does something to you that requires vengeance like you accidentally kill the family member of somebody out there, then you would dig up this corpse from a pumpkin patch and bring it to this old witch and the witch would bring it back a lot.
She would create the pumpkinhead monster. And the pumpkinhead monster would murder anybody that got in its way until it exacted revenge on your behalf. The downside is while it's exacting revenge, you slowly become the pumpkinhead. See become the corpse.
At the end, it's you either have to kill yourself to keep Pumpkinhead from exacting revenge after you realize what an awful thing that exacting revenge is. Or I guess it does its business and you die and then are buried so that the next time, and I just gave the whole movie away, the whole ending. Nobody's watching Pumpkinhead anymore anyway. I've never watched Pumpkinhead in the very first time.
It's good. It's Stan Winston's one directorial film. Well, it reminds me of a saying out of this, but before you go on a journey of revenge, dig two grands. That's cool.
That's excellent. Yeah. It's a great story. It's not a poem by Edwin, Edwin or Edward Justin.
Edward Justin. Edward Justin. Yeah. One of those.
It's a fun magical little nursery rock. I look it up if you can find out who wrote it. I'm not going to look it up right now. If you watch the movie, it's not the most intimidating, but there's something really creepy about the Baba Duck.
Just the way it looks. I started watching that, but the kid, I can't. A lot of people had our time with that. Oh my God.
If that was my kid, I just find out all the time. Yeah, I guess. He's driving her insane. But also we talked about this one earlier on, it was the podcast or I'll fare about the thing.
Yeah. Well, I think the thing, just the same as the invasion of the body snatchers, that's that fear of am I one of those things and don't know it. Those things. Oh, it all comes.
Coming on October 13th, the Iron and Cleyhouse, those things. Not recommended for our individual audiences. Like us. Yeah, so where were we?
Pumpkinhead or the Avengers? Mysterious ones are ones you think you're, obviously I can share which ones I think I could take. We've got a death on that topic. Probably leprechauns and werewolves.
Yeah. I think you feel that you can take on leprechauns. I think I would take a leprechaun. They're magical, how would you ever get to?
Magic be Superman. Magic be Superman. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Beauty. That's my favorite part of Superman too, when they go do you? I don't know, I have favorite part of Superman. But my favorite part is...
Don't know about magic, niche. I'm not sure that they are magicly delicious. I think it's the marshmallows that are magic delicious. Yeah, yeah, I think.
Is part of them, leprechaun marshmallows? he would eat though he would if we were nice to him. Well that's true. Well that's true.
That's true. But what Kurt is somewhat he did kill the guy from the Baltimore Symphony for not being a good violinist. And since he was trying to test it right. He's never.
He's in the following place. He's killing it. That's not what we're supposed to do. It's just like if you've never tried this if you go yeah in public somebody's gonna say yeah yeah see people get here yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Since we're on the fact that our teaching of supertubers to which the trailer is out now and it looks in today's lesson. Where are we doing this? You have to take it over to have Curtis is doing our show today. He has done some research in the past on the topic.
It's always really to bring it to us and Ron and I are just getting around to most of us. Always entertaining episode. I'm gonna back off because my family got mad at me. Oh yeah I need to know.
Oh then the game all over. Game's a foot. The game's a foot which I was in a production of last December. That's a good far.
Far story fun. Far story fun. Yeah so you have a question for us. You have an answer for us.
I know no but I've literally although I've researched this subject for over a decade and spent another nine years writing on it I have not had time to actually prepare a whole lot before this. I know what this topic is. I know what this topic is. So I still know nothing about this topic whatsoever.
But after this thing in history happens. After this okay. This is Hootmani in 1989. This is Chinese Hootmani.
I get away. Sorry. I spent the next dozen years researching it right there and then I spent another nine years writing musical opera about it. So we are today going to be talking about Tiananmen Square.
Yes. The happy, happy subject of. Can we point that out on that square? I can.
It's in China. I can point China. I can point China. Yes.
Aren't there two China's North China? We're at the Mongols. Is it a separate country? Is it China?
Are you sure about that? Well Taiwan used to be considered the- Oh wait a minute. Isn't there a red China and a not common side? I'm calling it a part of China.
There's a lot of like- It is now. It wasn't at the time of Tiananmen Square. Okay. It was still a British um well not calling it a problem.
I don't think the British people have had a good history of taking over countries in Asia. It always seems to end badly. Or anywhere else. Or anywhere else.
Yeah. Imperialism doesn't work. We're all in America. Didn't the British have that.
Yeah. Maybe no guys. Well actually they weren't forced out of Hong Kong. There was no revolution in Hong Kong driving the British out.
They had- It was similar. No actually they read it. No. They read it the island of Hong Kong from China for a hundred years.
You can point of mine. No no no. They had a contract that ended in 1999 and they had to get the island back. They actually had a rental agreement with China.
Well see there's the problem. Rental agreements are usually at support of the landlord. You gotta read the sanity clause. Yeah the sanity clause.
The sanity clause. All right if you will. I won't but if you- I can be talked into it. Okay so what do either- Oh I got nothing.
When were you born here? That's 87. Okay so you were too at the time that Tiananmen Square happened. You were born in 1973 so I wasn't paying attention.
You were saying that I didn't- I didn't. You were smoking. I just didn't. Well then we have the perfect subject.
I can just talk to all by myself. I just gotta correct you anyway. I just assume you're wrong. I think that's true.
I would like to say despite my not paying attention I was at Tiananmen Square when the big revolution happened. I was driving a tank. I was rolling in. Right if you ever left the country.
I've been to Canada. Okay. No no. I went to the falls.
Oh it's the best ever. So what do you think is the cause of the student protest that led up to the whole community? Why not as too many students. I was going to say the problem is in China they don't know what to call fine plates.
Wrong. That's true. That's true. I also think in China they don't know what Chinese food is.
Which is ironic. These plates that are going to- Anyway what do we call them? What do we call them? We'll pass them down from generation.
It's where it happened about a dozen years after a Mount Steigtung. That was a Panda Revolution. Yeah. So after Mount I dung jao Ping.
Whoa Jeff. Don't jump in. Yeah don't jump in. Here I room at Western University.
Mount Dong Qing. Don I guess it's going to be so much fun because no one's going to learn anything about the end of the square. I always learn. I'm always learning.
I'm going to pay attention. That's true. What about day a week? It could be Monday.
We're not certain about that. Oh we're not going to promise. On Wednesday. Is it Wednesday?
Oh I have business today. We've got to wrap this up. These are really silly. Can you talk about Tiananmen Square in the next 10 minutes and then we'll do some fun.
Sure. I'm sorry. I'll take what I've spent a dozen years researching another nine years writing and I'll condense it down into a five minute conversation about the four year long. You know that's all we're going to give you.
Did you know you could probably write a section of stories that would be in Boys Life Magazine going over Tiananmen Square. Boys Life Magazine. It's like this. Boys Life doesn't bother you.
Do they have recipes? They don't have recipes. Oh I bet they do because everything is like take this meat, wrap it in tin foil, put onions and carrots in it and that's your recipe. So anyway Deng Xiaoping took over after Mao died.
Well he didn't there's a whole bunch of us up but anyway he eventually became the new leader of China. Dong Xiaoping. Dong Xiaoping. Oh oh oh.
Did you know this about the Mao Seitung? Wait are we talking about Mao Seitung? Who's the original? Yeah Mao Seitung.
Did you know that Mao Seitung was afraid that there was going to be a revolution and he found a lookalike to go to his palace and pretend to be him so that when the villagers came to be head him then Mao Seitung. They would think the imposter was Mao Seitung and Mao Seitung would leave the country into either England or Italy. No if they got someone else. I don't think you're thinking of Saddam Hussein.
I think you're thinking of Saddam Hussein. They both have mustaches. I use doubles a lot. Yeah yeah.
I'm not going to say that Mao never had a double. He probably did. He had a snub double. And while you are the arson thing.
He did the big thing. While you are correct Mao Seitung feared revolution after leading a revolution. You're incorrect about everything else. No.
Agreed a disagree on that. No. Mao was very good. You know part of the whole problem that led into Tiananmen's the whole Tiananmen square thing that was that was the way that Mao when the communist took over China he thought of himself as an emperor.
And one of the things that he would do is he would let his critics he would give those who wanted to reform or do things differently. He would give him space open up and he didn't encourage them to speak out. And then he'd arrest them. Great.
Oh like your executive does. And so then he would clap down. And then after a number of years he would loosen up and people feel free to talk again. And then he clapped down and throw them in jail.
And the whole cultural revolution thing that happened where all these where all these school kids were going out and denouncing their teachers. Right. They were wearing jeans. They started wearing jeans and not wearing the cultural revolution.
They never told them. Because he made a little in fact the emperor walked out wearing his clothes. And nobody had the courage to tell him. And then he said the students.
Yeah. They pointed out. I think it didn't the revolution happened because the Koch machine he took all Koch machines he lost his contract with Koch for the universities. Yeah I would buy the war.
And teach it how to how to sing for the Germany. Yeah. Look at the whole of it. Those are my favorite commercials.
I sure wish Drake was hosting this one. You missed Drake. You know what? I know it's Drake.
I know it's Drake. I know it's Drake. Emily Jared hadn't killed him. I don't think goodness because you know what I am me.
I'm the only me. Except for Jeff on this. I'm not you may have. You may have.
I think you did. You're laying there on the floor bleeding. Right. Right.
But we can't all 911. We're done. We'll watch that. We've got like an hour to go on the podcast.
So we can't we can't tend anybody. Okay. Ten minutes of Jeff and ten minutes of Jeff and then more interruptions. So anyway.
Yeah. What happened in China? Tell us about the polar bear. What they were outlawed in China in favor of the panda bears.
And that's how the panda bears took over. Yeah. The national government was run by red pandas which mean communist. So anyway.
Foxes. Yeah. Yeah. They look a little like Foxes.
But you can trust the Fox. You can't trust the red panda. Oh we said that. I got it on my wall.
That's exactly what I'm saying. So ever since Mao China has had this two that's this two rows or too late. You have the you have the conservation wanting to keep things the way they are and afraid of change and you have those who wanted to open things up and when Deng Xiaoping came to power he recognized that they that China could not continue as a pure communist country that they needed to open up to the world. All the Mao had started the opening up to the West but they needed to embrace parts of capitalism in order to raise the living levels of all the people in the country because people were starving.
Yeah. Promoting economic growth. And so there was a whole lot of cultural. They're given to back and forth and they're you know conflict between those who wanted to keep pure communism under the Mao which was never pure anyway and and those who were open wanted to open up like Deng Xiaoping.
And so as Deng Xiaoping aged and those leftovers from Mao's era were aging. They tried to implement new reforms within the Communist Party. So that those. I like the big whites that they serve.
Do you think they were in the free hats? No, no, no. The thing is the one you put like a birthday party hat. Oh, like the pointy hat.
So that those people within the Communist Party could vote for the pull of your own who was going to be in charge and that the old guard would move out but the old guard didn't want to move out. And so they just like everybody the even though they're 80 years old they wanted to hold on to power. So Deng Xiaoping made this compromise that they would be this if they left like the pull of our own and these these levers of government they would still be this elderly committee that could have input into things that were going on. And Deng Xiaoping.
Like how loud music should be? Yeah, that needs to be in a man. And Deng Xiaoping made this. Yeah.
Made an example by resigning as the as the leader of China. How to treat him. Why? Yeah.
So after he resigned he still remained in control of everything but he resigned to name only to as an example to all these others. Deng Xiaoping did. Deng Xiaoping. Yes.
Deng Xiaoping. Yes. Stay again, Ron. Deng Xiaoping.
That's closer. Anyway. He's paying the same. So anyway, but what Deng Xiaoping did was that he picked his successor as the premier of China.
So he chose this guy. No, this is actually an important part of the whole story. Oh, I'll stop talking since it's important. Okay.
Thank you Ron. Thank you, Ron. Oh, no, no, we can't make that happen. Okay.
So anyway, so he he picked this guy by the name of Hu Yabong. I know. Who Yabong? I did.
I did. There's nothing you can do about it. Who Yabong? If ever there was someone on the walkout pocket that Ron did no personally.
No, it's who Yabong. Yeah. I actually did room in college. Yeah.
Believe this one. Yeah. So who? Yabong.
Who? Yabong. Let the opening of the more economic and more. So now we know.
It's still Deng Xiaoping. But who Yabong is the leader of the government, even though Deng Xiaoping has veto power and can over everything else and can actually change things if he wants. Another important note is he was on first. That's what I was wondering.
He's on first. He's on first. Deng is on second. So Hu Yabong kept the opening up of China going and he started encouraging students to speak out and intellectuals to speak out.
So the students started speaking out and the intellectuals started speaking out and the old guard didn't like that. And in 1987, there was a series of student protests and Deng Xiaoping stepped in with the old guard and they suppressed all these students and intellectuals who had been encouraged to speak out by Hu Yabong. Okay. And then Hu Yabong was removed from government and replaced by Zhao Zhang.
Why was Hu Yabong taken out? Because he encouraged. He was being blamed. Because I was born and that was a mistake.
Because he was being blamed by the old guard who didn't want the changes for the students speaking out. And the one thing that the Chinese government fears is chaos. So they feared that the students speaking out, intellectuals speaking out would lead to chaos because it reminded them of the Cultural Revolution with all these students were walking around with these red boats of Mao and denouncing their teachers and denouncing other party members and other people. Can I ask a question?
What sorts of things were the students saying? Where there's specific topics that they were... I don't get Jeff them speaking. They were calling for more openness.
They were calling for quicker economic growth. They were calling for democracy. Right. Of course.
Freedom of the press. Freedom of speech. There were a lot of things that we as Americans sound familiar to us even though they had no history or experience with it. So a number of these...
So when Hu Yabong was replaced, they cracked down on the students and the intellectuals. But they, instead of taking a hard line and throwing them in jail, the students who were part of the student movement at that time who got cracked down on, they were sent to these military camps to do military training because they thought, well, what they are lacking is discipline. So they gave these students who had been protesting them. They taught them how to use rifles.
Oh, that always works. I like to give rifles to the disgruntled population and see how that turns out. Especially when they already don't like you. Exactly.
That's a nice social term. Hold on, let me stop you right there. Already? It's stopping me this whole time.
How far in are we? This is about the right time. No, we're like 30 minutes in, right? 27.
I'm a human Swiss watch. Great. So, you're Swiss chocolate. I'm Swiss chocolate.
I'm Swiss chocolate. Yeah. But you had mentioned freedom of speech. Oh.
And I think America... We often take advantage of it. It seems from what I've heard from several other American people that they don't quite understand what freedom of speech is. And I feel that we should educate the listeners on what freedom of speech is.
It's the freedom for you to say what you want without the government being able to suppress what you say or stop you from saying it. It does not mean that you can say anything you want and somebody won't punch you in the fucking mouth for saying whatever you want. Or denounce you for saying it. Or fire you.
Because I had heard the story about when the whole trouble with the dynasty guy saying that he was against homosexuals and stuff like that, the Cracker Barrel took his items off the shelf. Wow. Yeah. And then Cracker Barrel said, well, I guess he doesn't have freedom of speech.
No fools. Everybody has a freedom of speech. But if you want a free market... He's not arrested for what he said.
Right. He's not arrested for what he said. He's not arrested for what he said. He's not arrested.
He's not interjected on that. However, you as a business owner can decide that you would like to sever all ties with that. Me as a private person can burn your house down. No.
That's not legal. I could not say it was legal. Well, I can. That's true.
If you can. If you incite those kinds of feelings in people, there are consequences. There will be consequences. Just not from the government.
And it is illegal to do things that incite mayhem. Right. Yelling fire in the Crown of movie theater. You can be travel to death.
That is not right. Which I have never done despite what the newspapers seem to think. I actually set fire to the theater. So I don't feel that it was wrong for me to save fire in a crowded theater.
They shouldn't be a community tent. I think so. I think I've done my time in hell. So I should not get it.
So are you almost done with your free speech, right? I was just waiting for you guys to join in on what free speech is. But I've seen this a lot. No, I'm sorry.
There's people saying I'm. It's such a social media. Yeah, absolutely. They're like, well, I can say what you're suppressing.
Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. You know the asshole that you are.
People feel available to say what they want or agree. Right. That's absolutely the thing. Any number that's going to go out and make a podcast and just say whatever.
Any three morons. Any three morons. Any three morons. With a micro-phone and a YouTube account can make a podcast.
I'm actually waiting for three morons to come out with a podcast. So we can make fun of it on our really awesome show. It's not going to be here every week. Whatever it is that we do.
And I hope that we insight some kind of feelings like love or. I almost did it with a straight face. I almost did it with a straight face. I think we want to insight velvet and more velvet.
Man, you're fast. Quarter-right. Not bad. I don't want to.
I'm okay with it. Yeah. I've got fat thighs. So I feel that it would start a fire eventually with all the.
I like silk. Silk is nice. Silk is nice. And Rayon.
Rayon is less. Rayon is less. Silk is much better than Rayon. I think round.
Round? Round? Round? That's what it is.
That's pronounced. Well, let me stop you right there. Oh, okay. Get back to the podcast.
Oh, right. If we have to. Is there something going on today? All right.
I was just hanging out. So in 1989, two years after who you obon was. I'm on. Demoted.
Demoted. What a nice word for it. He died. Was he executed?
No. He just died. That's what they say. But he died at a point when he was starting to come back into party leadership.
How old was he? I don't know. He was this? He was probably in a 60.
He probably in a 60. He's probably in a 60. He's probably in a 60s. But anyway.
Oh, so he was due. No. He had a stroke. It went in a stroke.
It was a murder. All right. He was murdered by John Ching. He is.
John Ching. John Ching. Ching Ching Ching. I was too long.
I took care of it. Thank you, Jared. So the world I was here with a grand few. So anyway, his death is what sparked the student movement of 1989.