Tom Sewid Interview

Come, walk down the winding path. Don't mind the spooks and monsters. They stay hidden within the trees. There are mysteries in this world that you need to know and paranormal truths that need to be told.

Come, step up into the caravan while we share tales of old, as well as new accounts about things you thought only existed in your nightmares. Hi Tom, thanks for joining us inside the caravan library of lore and of course sitting over here is Jennifer. Hi Jen. Hello.

Say hi, Thomas. Do you like that? Hi, Thomas. Hello.

How are y'all doing out there? Actually, thank you for asking. We're doing really good. At least I'm doing really well.

We'll get the Jennifer's feedback. I think she might be doing good too. Yep. As most of all of you as our listeners know, Tom C.

Wood, he is probably one of my top three favorite Sasquatch researchers. And I know with his background, he has just a plethora of information more than most that actually try to research by stepping themselves into the woods without having as much experience as Tom does. So thank you, Tom, for joining us. I want to kind of kick things off and then kind of let you carry the ball from there.

But I had a question. Over maybe about two years ago, and I brought this up with Jennifer earlier before this interview, a couple of years ago, and when I say couple of years, I'm being more specific to about two years ago. I've heard a number of witness encounters to Sasquatch or Bigfoot or however different parts of the country refer to this creature as. And I heard so many reports, one after another after another, that stated that it seemed when looking at the face of this creature, it appeared to have the same physical features as a person with Down Syndrome.

And then all of a sudden, I don't hear that anymore. Have you heard of that? And do you actually think that that's something that is tangible or maybe one person was just kind of following along with somebody else's testimony to say that? Because to me, that seems to be a very profound statement to make when you're looking face to face with something you may not know and to use that term with no disrespect that it appeared that it had Down Syndrome.

Or do you think that might just be an isolated case here and there? Do you have any opinions on that? I think seeing one that's about 40 feet looking at it, the first thing I did was I broke one of our cardinal rules being a pop off you walk Indian from Northern Mexico Island. We're taught to always respect them, and when you do see them up close, don't look at them in the eye.

But I've been out in Bush for over 30 years, and I've been a hunting guide specializing in grizzly bears and black bears where it's far according to national clients. I've kind of got a more bush type persona about myself, I carry myself. So right away, I want to look the thing in the face, eyeball the eyeball. So I remember hearing that report a few times in the years, and what came to mind to me was it looked very inquisitive, very intelligent, but it also gave me that premise and showed its teeth the size of the chicklet gums.

You know, the big white gum candies used to eat as kids, and that became the mind. But I knew that thing grimacing at me that it was telling me to get out of there. I don't want you around here, which I defeated the warning. But, you know, I've never seen anything close to the Down Syndrome, and I think it's more of probably a few isolated reports where the human has that inferiority complex.

They think they're superior, I mean, to the creature, which I think is totally a complete opposite. I have to agree with you. I think it probably is a total opposite. I certainly would have the first instinct, and this isn't about me, this is about you, but I would have that first personal instinct of incident respect.

And just to cherish that moment, you know, careful what you wish for, but just to cherish that moment. Yeah, I'm sorry. Twice I tried to be an assimilated Canadian Indian into society, and twice I got kneecapped, and I had to declare a personal bankruptcy. And after the second time in 2007, I said to hell with this, and I don't want to offend your viewers, but as an Indian, I said to heck with it.

I don't want to be a white man, I don't want to be a assimilated Canadian Indian trying to be like they want me to be. And twice they've kneecapped me. So I'm going to be what I am. I'm a bush Indian, and I got off society's radar.

I don't even have a bank account. I don't file nothing. I could care less than I've had our revenue agency follow me. And I just told them, look, as an Indian, I'm off your radar.

I don't exist. I will not pay you a dime until you pay me a million dollars. And that million dollars is for the land, trees, and everything else you've taken from me as an Indian, an indigenous person of Canada. I'm like a fat black.

I'm sitting in the bush watching what you're doing, and what you want me to be. And I don't agree, and I'm not going to get into your society. Unfortunately, unlike a Sasquatch, I have given in to weakness. I have to wear clothing.

I have to have night vision at night to see. I'm like a Sasquatch, and that's not Colonel Vision. I can see without night vision. And I've given in to the biggest weakness.

I need fire. I need energy. I need fire to cook my food. I need it to run my outboard motor, my vehicles, and so forth.

Now you look at the Sasquatch. Totally off society's radar. As far as I'm concerned, there's another type of human. And they choose to live by the night.

They choose not to wear clothing. And you know, darn well, they haven't given in to greed and envy and everything else that we live by. And we've got a Jones effect and have a better iPhone and the other guy and a better Android and better clothes. And we've got to drive up Mercedes bands instead of driving a $25,000 smaller vehicle.

That's the same thing. For tires spin, put it in drive. It gets you forward. Put it in reverse.

It brings you back. Put it in parking stops. Well, be given. And that's what the Sasquatch is.

And that's the path I'm following. I finally made a decision. I will not give in to what they want me to be. I'm going to live free and wild.

That's what I asked. Well, I find that it's so worthy, Tom. I really do. And I'm not saying that just for the show and just so that you hear it.

But I truly find that worthy. The older I get, I do. I have that moment where I want to say effort. When we move on from here on to wherever we go after what we consider death, it doesn't matter anymore.

So why do we take these trivial little things as so materialistic? No, it doesn't matter when we move on. But you know, you kind of you kind of touched on a really important point. And again, I want to ask another question that might be a little bit more obscure.

Humans are violent by nature. As a society, we are very violent creature. Do you think or do you know what the Sasquatch have those tendencies of violent behaviors towards other Sasquatch groups or societies? Or do you think it's more of just a unison and respect with everything around it?

So what I call bush law, bush code. And that's what we adhere to outside of the concrete world. Out in the bush world, you screw up. You get someone angry with you or something angry with you.

You disrespect something like Sasquatch or a bear. You're going to get pooped out in the forest within two days. That's a guarantee. You will get taken out.

And if you look at all of the reports about Sasquatch is I go back to back in contact in North America. There's always reports of aggression. And so different. You know, look at 411.

How many humans do we have going off the radar to spear it? Here we're going to attribute 90% or more of them to natural causes, heart attack, psychothermia, falling down kill themselves, suicide overdose. But what about that? Small percentage.

And if you look at the small percentage by the amount of reports, yearly throughout Sasquatch island, North America, you know, it's pretty high. How many people go missing out there? Well, those are the ones that didn't heed the warnings. Hearing would be impounded against a tree telling you to stop, turn around, go back where you come from.

You're careless by people creature. I don't want you up here where my Sasquatch family is. What about people that go, oh, I saw finding Bigfoot. I got to bang a tree too and go closer and see if it's a Sasquatch.

And next thing you know, they've broken the cardinal rule of Sasquatch. I gave you a warning to stop, turn around, get the hell out of here. You didn't take that warning. Now you're disrespected me.

And next thing you know, they become a statistic, another missing person. So yeah, everything gets pooped out in the forest. That's the rule out there. You mess up, unlike here, you mess up and go smack someone because they deserve a backhand because they wronged you.

Well, next thing you know, you're charged for assault. You go to court. You have eight thousands of dollars for a lawyer. You get a criminal record.

Next thing you know, you can't go outside the country. Now you can't get a job because it's a felony in the United States. So our society of theirs are very, very different. But out in the bush, you wronged someone or something.

You will become a statistic. You get disappeared real quick. More than likely, which will next one kicks in. Easy access to a lot of protein with at least amount of energy because it's consumed or just consumed and stored for later use.

Next thing you know, you're a lot of calorie count in someone's belly. And it might be a Sasquatch, might be a bear. And after they're done with you, incomes, the coyotes and the raven, the eagles, the vultures, the mice, the rats. The worms, the maggots.

The list goes on. The bush will assemble. You screw up and come in the belly of something period. Well, it's wonderful advice, you know, for the number of times that I've, you know, spent camping in the wilderness.

And when I say camping, I don't do the resort camping. I go remote camping. I haven't been in a while. But, you know, when I used to go, I've always believed in being a good steward to my surroundings.

You know, I never leave a trace of myself ever being there to begin with. And maybe that's why I never had an encounter except one time when I was up in Northern Wisconsin right at, you know, towards a Canadian border up at the lack of flambo. And I told the story to Bono Russell. And I shared it with him on his mojo encounters.

But, you know, we were tent sleeping for New Year's and it got darn cold. I mean, it was minus 30. But we heard a knock on the tree. But this is before any of my awareness of Sasquatch being in that area.

But we heard a knock in about one in the morning on a tree. And I would have guessed it might have been two to 300 feet away. But it startles you. And when you're in the death of silence in the middle of nowhere, your ears ring when you hear something because your ears are pitched to hear something and focus on it.

But it wasn't until we broke camp the next morning and hiked out of there because it was a seven mile hike to get back to our vehicle that we heard very loud thumping through the woods. There was a dog that was barking and it was a beagle. And the beagle came running out of the tree line across the, you know, the fire break and it ran across the fire break. And it was howling and barking and howling and barking.

And it wasn't but five seconds later. From what I can recall, it was either between six and eight deer came running out behind the dog. Now that doesn't normally work that way. It's usually the dogs chasing the deer, but the deer were actually on the trail of the dog.

And we, I heard my brother picked it up too. This loud thumping. And I remember this is clear as day. I looked at my brother because that's why I went camping with.

I'm like dinosaur because this was such a heavy, thudding sound and it stopped right at the tree line for the best that we can tell. And we were both armed, but we were also in full cam all because we were camping. We wanted to see the wildlife around us. We were only armed for our protection.

We weren't hunting. And it stopped right at the tree line. And of course, you know, we kept moving away because it was a little bit intimidating and a couple of pine cones. One flew over my head and one hit the back of my brother's hood because we had our hoods up.

And I'm telling you from that moment down, I just had this overwhelming sense we need to go. We didn't run, but we picked up our pace and Trump, you know, there wasn't a whole lot of snow. But I never put two and two together until years later when I'm getting involved in what the stories are that you have shared and others that have shared in the Sasquatch community to say, no, this is kind of their behavior. This is a warning.

You get out of my area. I never saw it. I can't say that it was, but it's not a bear. I'm sorry, but a bear ain't throwing a pine cone at anybody.

And we were in the fire break. So there were no trees over our head. So where did those pine cones come from? They were thrown.

Clearly they were thrown. But yeah, Jen, you have a question. Go. I do.

Did you ever smell anything? No. No. There was no verbal noise or no smell.

No. So then my question for Tom. Because if you didn't smell anything and with my, I don't know if I want to call it an encounter, but my experience that I had up on Mount Hood, I didn't smell anything either. And, you know, there was a heavy footsteps that were coming close to the tent.

And then, you know, I had raced over to zip it up and the steps stopped. And then I never heard it walk away and I just had this really scary feeling, you know. I never smelled anything either. And so I'm curious, why is it that you smell them in certain encounters and others you don't?

Because one of the things I'm learning, working with my fellow North American Indians and working with my buddy Lucas out of the Omaha Indian Reserve in Nebraska, he's taught me a lot about smells. One of them being, you take cedar bows and rub it on your neck and either side and put it on your hat and hang another piece off your body. And to them, if they equate the smell of the human scent mixed with the cedar, he's been the labory, but I'm taking it that it's like a sign of respect, that I mean you know harm, no respect. So that's what he's going to enlighten more to me when I see him here.

I'm going to fly him out from Omaha to Seattle here in probably next week. And he's going to spend considerable time with me as I write down all of his interactions with them through 38 years. But with me smelling them in my language, we say, Wallace Jabbalah. I mean, big stink.

And then when you read enough book, Fast Watch, Big Foot, and Pymates, overall, you find that they can excrete through glands, like we have our armpits with, you know, the body odor from the B.O. under our arms. Well, that's a primitive scent gland we have in there. And they haven't lost the law, you know, worked hard, so forth and get that excrete the smell.

Well, Pymates can excrete it when they feel threatened or intimidated. And in my interactions with Fast Watch, especially the first two encounters I had, it was just overpowering. The first time is when I had two of them in the spotlight of my commercial fish boats in the early 90s in the bay, I anchored out with no wind and moon out and hardly in clouds. So I lit them up with, you know, no, no, no, it's how many, 100,000 nanowatts.

So it's been peaking in, standing on the spotlight there on commercial fish boats and saw mail in the email on the beach. And of course, we had that overpowering rotten, you know, near 38. And all of us wanted to make sure I gagged. Well, the only thing I contributed to is them letting the scent glands go like a skunk.

You know, letting you know that, hey, I don't want you here. You know, everything in the bush, like we as most humans speak for myself up and tuned up in the bush over three decades, but we have that. What we can judge and understand is what we can see here here. Well, in the bush, it's a whole different world.

When you're in an 18 foot aluminum speedboat and you're going from one island to another, you have no radar. All you have is a depth sounder that you don't bear turn on because the light's going to blind you. And it's a pea soup fog in the middle of the night. And you're running a compass course.

Well, you know that you like your cigarette when you leave. You can't see the light in the morning in your back. You're looking at your compass course and you smoke your cigarettes. As soon as you finish it, you light another one.

So two cigarettes being smoked. By the time the second one's done, you have a 15 minute time period, roughly as it's elapsed. And you know that going from A to B, it's about an 18 minute shoot on that boat at that speed. So you slow down and tune yourself in to smell.

And all of a sudden boom. Like it's slapped in the face with a smell of cold kelp. This large kelp that affects itself in rocks and shallow water. And now there's your rock that's just under the surface.

You're now at that big what we call a kelp notch. And you get close and they'll only hold. You see what you flashlight to kelp all around the speedboat. You take your next compass course and you shoot.

Now it's a 20 minute shoot. So you just have two cigarettes. So now you go by your watch. And in 20 minutes you slow down again.

And all of a sudden boom. You smell the smell of pop kelp. Because you know it's low or tight. And it's a different type of kelp that adheres to the rock wall all around the entryway to this little cold.

It's called Teladav Cove. All the whale watches go on Vancouver Island. And when you slow down, boom. There's the light coming out of the fog.

The entrance to Teladav Cove, which is what? 120 feet wide. And you pull in. And there's the docks.

And all the tourists are tied up and sleeping. And then there's the cabins and then there are these. And you tie up to the dock and walk up to your cabin or wherever you stand. So your nose is everything.

It's going to see for you. It's going to hear for you. So in the bush, when you're trained, I can walk to the bush of my region. And I can tell if there's a black-tailed deer, a wolf, a cuckoo, black bear.

A grizzly bear around. If there one happens to be one on Vancouver Island, we do have a few here. Or on a second night, come up, rank older. I know that.

Time to stop. Turn around. Get out of there. Big fellas telling me, I don't want you here.

I'm seeing that. It seems to be, in my region, the more times reports of smell. It's usually when there's a female present. Now, I don't want to see it.

I'm not going to go and beat about it. But maybe the males are the aggressive ones. I think the tree-shaking, the tossing, applying gones and rocks and sticks. The pushing over of dead trees.

Because I know a rang of things do that. And chimpanzees and great mountain gorillas. But all of a sudden, I'm starting to see a pattern starting to evolve in my research report. Reports, I gather.

That when there's a lot of smell, it's generally when these small, fresh tracks are seen with big ones. Or just a female with, you know, some juveniles. So it's more prevalent with females than when humans come across them. That is more reports of strong auditors.

Well, that's really an interesting take that I've ever really thought of. Yeah. Right. That's what I do.

That's what that's what I do. I make everyone start using their frontal lobes. Well, I make fun of Sasquatch. I'm going to slope in the head and see if supposedly something like they have Down Syndrome.

We're in truth. They have a conical head, sloping forehead. And they got more frontal lobe development than we humans do. That's what I love about it.

So when you think of that context, that you're going up against the superior. Eventually, they're going to... It's inevitable. And I've been pounding.

So, bloody long now. I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping my body can keep carrying me a few more years. I screw up and I get that beautiful crispy pictures or video. Okay.

Now we're pulling for you. Believe me, we're pulling for you. If anybody deserves to get it, that would be you, Tom. It would be you.

So, it would definitely be of your opinion that it would be more... The smell is more of a deterrent rather than... Good morning. Other than excreting the smell out of fear.

It's excreting it as a repellent. If any human is being sexually aroused by the smell of a probable Sasquatch. No. Okay.

You've got a point. Oh my gosh. You truly have a point. Jennifer, you've carried the rest of this interview.

I'm just going to sit back. Oh my gosh. Well, I do have another question. In the past, when I listened to your other interviews, there is a story that I have fallen in love with.

And if you have time, it would be fantastic if you could tell it. But before that, you used the word, Juniqua. And I was wondering if you could explain that to the listeners. Whereas it's not just another name for Bigfoot, right?

It's the name of a female Sasquatch. Is it a female Sasquatch or just one? Well, unfortunately, we clockwalk you off. When I was born in 1965, I was born a pog-utile.

And I even heard I was called a pog-a-tutile. And then I became a pog-yalt according to other tribe members. And then in my late 20s, we were told we have to be called pog-a-tutile. So, pog-a-las-speaking people of 16 recognized tribes who all share the common language of pog-a-las.

And that's why we're called pog-a-tutile. So, in my lifetime, my tribal name for my nation has been changed and adapted to be able to be what it really is. And the reason why pog-yalt and pog-utile and pog-a-tutile were wrong was because back in the colonial days, those pompous government officials and missionaries and Indian agents, they didn't care buzzer all about us. Don't be rotten Indian.

So long as we stayed in the confines of the Indian Reserve and weren't seen unless they wanted to see us and weren't heard unless they wanted to hear us. So, they would come up with these names like pog-utile and pog-a-tutile. And finally, when we started to affirm our rights and became what I say now more Canadian than Canadian, we are recognized as pog-a-tutile. And pog-a-tutile is no different.

So, back in the colonial days and the explorer days, those people didn't know how to speak pog-a-la, nor did we know how to speak for Majesty's English. So, lost in translation. The name pog-a-tut became the wild woman of the woods, where in truth pog-a-tutile refers to, like my teacher from Alert Bay tells me, sort of like an ogre, larger than a human. By people covered in hair, these big creatures, male and female.

And on our totem poles, actually, I just kind of hate that name. On our memorial poles, our welcoming poles, our house posts that hold up our beams of our big houses, traditional homes, and now ceremonial big houses, and dowry poles of past and ridicule poles, those poles would have the image of a fuckered lip, sleepy-eyed creature with large pendulous breasts. Sonahua, a female rendition. But when you got to go to a potluck, great celebration of life, that is our memorial services, our graduation ceremonies, our youth and societies that are born and will enter through to dance and song, and press readers come into life and dance and song, and to witness this great celebration of a family, open their box of treasure by their chief's order in direction, and they share with everyone who comes their story since the dawn of their creation, and press to come to life on that dance floor, gifts are given, speeches are given, people are remembered to pass on, marriages are witnessed, debts are paid, loans are taken, it's everything to us as potluck, generally.

Well, only then when a chief dies, three years or more after his death, when a male in the family, that's everything right, prepares the family to host this memorial potlatch, maybe raising a memorial pole carved in honor of the dead chief's and depicting crest from his family box of treasure, and carving, or getting carvers to put it at the base, the wild woman of the woods, with outstretched arms signifying that memorial pole is telling me that the chief in life, his, him and his family were so wealthy, they could afford to acquire the trail of crest through marriage. Outstretched arms signified, you could feel his and his family's wealth all around the world. And then of course inside the house post, they would put their Rolex watch, their Mercedes Benz on the house post, and you'd see these great female genocles carved in there in some houses, because it's our most valuable crest to have, when the chief died and that male did everything right over a two or three year period or longer, and he hosted a memorial potlatch, and the chief then who dies on it, the helicopter and the chief speaker will go put that male genocle mask and hold it to his face, ask everyone has this man fulfilled his obligations and responsibilities to remember the chief who had passed on, whose name was this, and of course no one can pass that this man should be the next chief, and then he removes the mask of the male genocle with a mustache, and that is to acknowledge that now he will be recognized as that family or clan's territorial chief. So that's the only time you see the male genocle mask.

So when you go to the museums now and you look close after reading and joining my group Sasquak Island is staring me on a podcast, they see me on television, they read my book whenever I get time to write it. You can say, ah, the genocle actually refers to male and female Sasquak's big foot, according to the plot plot you walk, and this is when and where you will see them, and the male one is very rare. So when I go to the Campbell River Museum, or they alert they homage to the Cultural Center, or across the Campbell River to the Numbili's Cultural Center, or the Royal British Columbia, the University of British Columbia Museum of Anthropology, the Seattle Art Museum, and let's go on across the world and go to these museums and see these puckered lips, sleepy-eyed, hair-covered masks, or carving. You look at the lip, and the reason why you see the puckered lips is because they're always hollering, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, different island to different islands, like above the lip.

Notice, ah, that one has no mustache, it's an email rendition, that one has a mustache, that's the rare male one, is for who knows how many hundreds of years, and that's how you tell the difference between the male and female children on where and when you'll see it. So, I have a question on your cover photo on your Facebook page, is that the mask in which you are speaking of, that you're sitting next to? Yeah, that's the email, you know. I don't even have enough time tonight, you guys can get me on again, I share the legends and stories that belong to my seaweed family, the seaweed family, and my chief has given me permission to share them with the world.

So, I'd be honored to come on and tell you the story about why the children have the mask in on her back, and why she has a terrified child in there with a mother hanging on, parent, and her child, because the email to her has the right to take misbehaving children with a big hairy arm at night when they think men should attend the RV, the house, the big house in the old days, or swimming out to a boat and reaching through a window or a portal, grabbing that misbehaving child and throwing them in a basket and bringing us up a mountain through invisible hall mats, so we can't find them, and that's where she boils up and eats the misbehaving children. All the kids out there, they've got to remember that, they've got to remember that, our boogie man out here, and they exist, and they will grab the misbehaving children, so whenever children go camping or out in the bush with their family and friends, when the adults tell them to do something, they're not supposed to wind, moan, act out, throw a temper tantrum, they're supposed to do what they're supposed to do, because that is what we do is people. We respect one another, especially our elders. Right, right.

No, I've got to face my own life, but it's because, you know, I love those stories. I know Jennifer and myself both love that entire story to begin with. It's probably, I know it's my favorite. I think Jen, you probably said it was your favorite, too, because it is fantastic.

Yeah, I know I find it totally fascinating. I know Jen, you asked for Tom to share a quick story. Oh, that was the one. So, and I think it takes a little bit of time, so we should definitely have him on again.

Well, see, Tom said he'd be honored to come back on the show. I would be the one honored if he came back to college. We would. I'm going to go home and rest and relax.

There you go. My wife has been brutalized. I've been expeditions for that. For the last two months or more, I've been working my butt off every day, calling under trailers, preparing them and working on boats.

I'm beat up. It's fine to go home. Sorry. Well, I appreciate it.

I do have one other question to ask. And again, it's a more obscure question. But if anybody that might at least have a little bit of insight, it would probably be you. Now, again, I have not witnessed or had an encounter with a Sasquatch.

However, with all the encounters that I have heard, so many do describe the eyes. And you did say earlier in the interview, you don't look into the eyes. And I completely agree and understand with that. However, so many witnesses claim that the eyes are so dark.

Or just a slight portion of the white to the eyes are red. Do you think that the eyes are dark because it's more adapted to being able to see at night? Or is this just a DNA development with such a creature that I just kind of would put it into a scientific aspect that maybe the pupils are so much larger for gathering light for being able to move about in the woods after sundown? Do you think there's anything to that at all?

Oh, definitely. You know, deer. You know, we put a spotlight on the deer or headlights. And the male, this time of year at Vancouver Island, it's, you know, lot season right now.

And the male guys are orange red. And, you know, the female is always green yellow. And then other times of the year, you'll see a buck and it's kind of orange just yellow. And, you know, for some reason, you know, the blood's pumping.

You know, they're all tuned up. There's just one thing on their mind. You notice their eyes are more redder. That's why when we go pit lamp and with lights at night, and then out of our vehicles, look at the deer.

We're looking for reddish eyes. And that's the one you just lay down the cross areas of the iron fight and bingo. Get your meat. And we Indians are allowed to pit lamp here in Canada, which is, thank God.

But anyway, with the Sasquatches, if the males, of course, have the reddish eyes, when you hear the reports about people seeing them just before dark, but it wasn't dark, or daytime, and their eyes would go and red. When that, as Dr. John Bindernego, here on Vancouver Island, taught me through the last almost three decades, you know, about research and when in doubt, throw it out. So in other words, when someone says, oh, at a daytime sighting, the eyes would go and red.

By the way, that guy's full of BS. And that guy's full of BS. And I'm just at birth. Usually it's me looking at my cell phone, but, oh, I forgot.

I got an appointment. My lead perspective. I'm not going to respect. I'm not going to fit there and listen to your BS.

Right. But at the same time, you're not going to waste my time with your BS. But I would respect. I'm not going to tell you.

So full of it, your eyes are brown. But if we look at that term, it's full of it, your eyes are brown. Now, if you look at the research and the photographs, archival photographs, when they started taking pictures of us indigenous people across Atholak Island, North America, it's a pretty hard press to find how blue-eyed India didn't exist. And what do we save as native people across Atholak Island?

The book's how it's bigfoot. Oh, there are the other tribes that stay away from us. So when I first got into this with our reading books and, you know, as a kid, even more so after my big sighting in the early 90s, I was going to Dr. John Bindernagel.

You know, I was John and I were both discussing that it's possibly a branch of Jagannapithecus through the land bridge. Well, now that I've done enough research and been out there enough and been around them. I've thrown that speculation out the door. To me, they're not Jagannapithecus.

They're just another form of human. No different than the humans that live in the high mountain areas and the Himalayas. We have a larger lung capacity to deal with the less air at high altitude. If we look at the northern people of the Arctic throughout the entire northern hemisphere in Norway, Russia, Canada, Alaska, that used to traditionally eat a lot of seal and whale.

They have a larger liver to deal with all that high vitamin B, I think, it is coming through their body from the meat they eat in the blubber. And then if you look at how humans are the whole, and Asia, compared to someone of African descent, compared to someone of Eastern Europe descent, compared to a North American indigenous native person, compared to someone from the Aboriginal people of Australia. You notice the huge differences on their humans, but they look exactly different. And one of the legends I'll share with you about Jonathan in the future, hopefully sooner than later, is about exactly that.

That we don't judge a person from where they come from, from the color of their skin, how they feel, how their hair might feel different. We judge them upon their heart and their soul and their worthiness. Or they're asking us, that's how you judge a human, not like color, face, anything like that. That's another legend for another time.

But if we look at that, and if we open our minds up and use our frontal lobe, and don't think like a superior and think like an equal, then we look at fastwatch and look, hey, this is taller. A little bit, got way more hair than us. And their eyes have adapted to a nocturnal existence instead of a daylight existence, like the rest of us humans. And they don't use fire and they don't use clothing.

So that's how I look at it. And so to me, when finally, look at the DNA report that come in, like people go, even what does DNA report? I don't think nothing about it. Because everyone's going to argue about it, and then five, seven years from now, someone's going to go, oh, we've got to throw that out, because science now tells us that this path of DNA has to be followed.

And what we've said and agreed upon before is irrelevant now. It doesn't make sense. So DNA and the science of DNA is always going to continually be evolving. Maybe it finally will plateau, but right now it's going up, and eventually it will plateau, and then maybe we can get conclusive proof on DNA right now.

It wouldn't just keep arguing. I got no time for argument. When I'm focusing on this time to get conclusive video, still picture proof of the existence of these creatures. And when people go, well, do you think they're this?

Do you think they're that? No, I don't. I think they're just another human and a lot smarter than me in the bush. But I screw up one time, all humans make mistakes.

Well, this is true. No, this is very true. And I think all creatures from everywhere make mistakes at some point. It is.

It's part of what nature does. And you theoretically are supposed to learn from your mistakes. Unfortunately, I think the human race hasn't really done that yet. Even though we've been around for thousands of years, we keep making the same mistake over.

You think at some point we would learn, but clearly we haven't yet. But no, you bring up a really good point. And you made reference to something that they don't use fire, which kind of triggered a thought in my mind that I know Jennifer wanted to ask regarding the wildfires. Jen?

Oh, sorry. Yeah. Well, no, I was just wondering when in the event of a wildfire. You know, what they do.

Where they go? Well, we look at the report and we start asking the like questions, you're going to find that during the start of summer. The Sasquatches, I can only speak from my region, western Canada, British Columbia area. They disappear.

They move after the Uligans in the March, April. So hang around a bit, still pick out the shellfish areas, but then they'll go out there. And the salmon birds shoot first and the salmon birds, which is the first vitamin C of the year for the native people and them. And then the salmon birds, of course, because we've got so much logging now, it goes right up to the alpine.

So that'll work in all that famine there, but they're also getting up for me because, dear, they like to go out in the alpine, so all that lush greenery and flowers and everything. And it's meadows that are, you know, hills, but they're meadows. They're just not loud, but they're filled with nutrients to the deer. And those big, those, they like to be up in those alpine because when they fawn drop, they're fawns and they have a better chance of survival because they're not in the steel world of the forest.

And they can see a long way, smell a long way here, great distances, and get their baby to peck away from the predator. And you'll notice, because, you know, I bring them to the whole equation, I bring a whole different way of patterns and thought because I've been out there and I've chased those big, filthy black bears and grizzly bears in late April through May and into early June before the close, up in the alpents because that's what they are. They're not in the rivers because there's no salmon. Sure, there's a few down in the stump cabbage wallows and the estuaries and rock rolling on the beaches, but it's so hot down below that those grizzly bears start shaking their hair real soon.

So as a hunting guy who wants major tippage from a far coming to National Climb, they need the big boar. Hey boy, I need a big grizzly boar. You're going to get me that very easy. Oh yeah, I'm going to get you that.

I'm going to get you that. That's up in the alpine. And I drive them up there because that's where the big bears are. They're out in the left greenery and the bulbs and the tubers, the ground squirrels, the marmot, after the fawn drops as well.

And then when you spend enough time up in the alpine, you see it's in the big wolves. Especially the lone wolves, the ones that have been ousted from Pat, they'll be up there hunting because they have a better chance of jumping down from something. You see cougars up there because that's where those are dropping those fawns. And that's where the fastwatches are as well.

Remember what I taught you? The Cardo roll. Heavy accumulation of mass protein that's easily accessible with at least amount of energy to acquire and consume. So that's where the fastwatches are.

Unlike our stupid humans, we'd go, oh, we'll go live on river banks, that's flooding and see our houses and our livelihoods torn away. Oh, we'll go live in the forest. Oh God, look at the smoke coming. Oh, what do you mean I got 10 minutes to get out of here?

I've been living here for 50 years. Doesn't matter. Get out of here. Evacuation notices.

You have it. Jump in your truck. Get what you can. Take off.

Come back. Try your eyes out because your lifetime work is a charcoal. Well, the fastwatches, I think that's stupid. You know, well, the fella, fuck a load.

You're up in the alpine above tree life. And they go, hey, look. Hey, buddy, look. Smoke on the horizon.

Yeah, I don't just put on that ridge line in the way the wind is. No bypasser. Yeah. Okay.

Let's move it up here and we'll get some fawns and eat some. See, that's fascinating that you mentioned it that way. Because these are fawns. Yeah.

Yeah. See. I'm up there. Those people that don't smoke cigarettes like me and drink beer.

They're up in those alpines with their Kevlar on and they're mountain equipment co-op and the REI overpriced outdoor wear. And they're up there hiking and looking and posting on Facebook. And I'm looking at everything. And I've been up there.

But I know. And as I hear the reports coming in. Oh, we're hiking up above the tree line. Oh, we saw this big hairy creature.

And we're starting to see it on YouTube now. Guys seeing sash watches going across ice fields and so forth. You know, look at Hillary. Edmund Hillary.

I think it was. He goes and hides it. How Everest. What did he come back with?

Right. They might not be staying like Hillary. They didn't eat them out there. They're just going up.

Down the other side and then to the forest and the other side for mating food so forth. Oh. They're up there. But the main reason in North America is it's like us looking at their houses getting burnt down.

They're watching those fires. They move to the other mountain or ridge line and fire bypasses them. And besides that, when have you ever heard of a forest fire in the alpine? You green up those two bucks.

Right. Right. No, that's a really interesting take on it. I really didn't dwell on long enough to think about it.

It's true though. Or I say it's true just out of that's a very good analogy and understanding of the creature's movement and it makes perfect sense. Now that you put it that way, it does make perfect sense that, yeah, you're at a location where the fire's not going to be happening anyway and you're always going to be moving away from it. Wow.

That's an interesting take on. It really is an interesting take because I know there's been a lot of Facebook posts during this rash of wildfires this year. Wow. Where are the Sasquatch doing?

Where are they going? Okay. Where are the other animals doing too? I don't know how many charred remains of animals you're finding behind.

Birds can fly away, squirrels will run, deer will run. They're going to move away and I'm sure, look, you know, these creatures have an amazing sense of smell. They can pick it up and, oh, that's your warning sign. Get out.

It's time to leave now. How's the darkness? Before you even see the smoke, you can smell it. Yep.

Well, those are the territories two summers ago and, you know, I'm with a guy. I've never been up in the Northwest Territories and I'm up there in summer time. I was going to come over to Little Rives, which is probably 75 feet high, high for up there and I was like, oh, look at that. The floor is fired.

Come up right on the side of the road. Buddy, who's lived out there most of their life. He just hits the foot to the floor in that special edition Chevy truck. Brand new.

That's what a hundred miles an hour, 120 down his gravel road. And we're just fish tailing all over. And he just punches it through the fire in the smoke. And I'm sitting there looking at him going, oh my God, you shouldn't put a shot of this into it.

I think he's all messed up. I'm like, what the hell are you doing doing? He's like, how do we do in Northwest Territories? They don't even put the fires out there.

They're going to burn up here. And I'm thinking, oh, he's definitely British Columbia. Everyone's scrambling to put them out. But we hit down the road another 10, 8 miles, I guess.

There's about 100 buffaloes just slowly mangered down our road. And we can't go through them because they get mad. And I'll hit the truck with their heads. And this is like a $50,000 brand new black Chevy special edition truck.

Oh, no, we got to follow these buffaloes for about half an hour until they finally veered off the road. But, you know, they weren't at it. They know. Oh, look.

Oh, well, well, we'll just turn this way. And what they were doing was walking into the breeze. So animals are smart. They've been around so much longer than humans have been on this planet.

And there's a reason for it. They know I think it's an instinct. We don't. We think with our greed, our envy, our luck, our vanity.

Well, the animals don't take that way. Unless it's mating season, then I'll help break loose. It's true. In both species.

Both the human race and animal race. Yeah, I'll help break loose. I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

Saturday night. People aren't looking for this. I'll help break loose. Yeah, you would be right.

I'm sorry. Did you say something? I was totally distracted. No, that's a good point.

Yeah, you're right. The creatures of the world are far more adapted than we are to it. And then I've often asked myself that question. We need sunglasses to go out on a sunny day.

It doesn't seem like the humans are very well adapted to this planet. But we have to wear clothing to stay warm. We have to have shelter in order to survive. I'm sorry, but I think we're just not adapted to this planet at all.

If we have to protect ourselves with sunscreen. I don't know of animals that have to use sunscreen to protect themselves from the sun. Do we have to? No.

I know people that have listened to this. You know, there are probably a few people that have the eyebrows twitching right now. And they're thinking, wow, you know, we're thinking of a whole different level. Yeah, it's 30 plus years open bush.

I didn't have TV. I didn't have books. You know, so I have to do something when I sat on the beach going, and I used to think about the animals. Kingdom I was in.

And that's why now with our homoomooadventures.com. You know, it's we offer expeditions. You know, one of my expeditions is live like a Sasquatch. You come out, you get your cell phone for two hours in the evening, and you bring a camera.

What we do is when you get a double kayak of mine, we bring it out to the broken archipelago, or somewhere else off Eastern Vancouver Island. I want you to get dropped out of the middle of the tip of the nowhere. I say, okay, cell phone goes in the dry bag. You see inside, you got candy bars, survival bars.

You got this, you got ramen noodles. You got all this good food, right? All in there, seal it up. Or even like Sasquatches from this point on.

And in the double kayak with the 12 gauge or my 338, we go out into the wilds and we live like a Sasquatch. When tide is low, it's about a table set. If you're allergic to shellfish or crabs, don't book this trip, because you're going to pick up. You're going to poop like something out there because you're going to die.

But if you like seafood, wild food, come out. We're going to tap salmon, crabs, corn, shrimp, clams, cockles, mussels, deer. You name it. Being an Indian, I can hunt 365 days a year.

So, you know, I can drop a deer and a lot of some good venison out there. We just basically go looking for the creatures in their homes and so searching and exploring. You know, I don't waste my time looking for tree structures. 99% of them are natural anyway.

We're made by the wind and other things. Well, they're looking for the creatures, looking for signs of where they're at. And, you know, it's just a beautiful trip. And then, of course, you know, we do winds up in the outpines.

We use four by fours. You know, we've got guys that go, oh, I want a warm place to sleep. Yeah. Okay.

Well, that half a dozen yachts to choose from. And we can use those or we go to cabins and float houses that are out there. So, you know, I open up a whole different world, a world I've lived in all my life, but also the world of the coastal Sasquatch. And you learn a whole different thing in our expeditions.

How are you? I'm going to have to do that. That's like a priority. One of these days.

I'll call you better. A lot of fun. It's a bucket list, huh? Done deal.

It's happening. Okay. It's a bit of a good thing. Jen, I expect you to do a caravan of lore podcast room.

Yeah. When you're eating at the buffet. Yeah. I expect that.

I totally expect that. Live. Wow. This is absolutely fantastic, Tom.

Yeah. Thank you. I can't thank you enough for joining us. You will come back.

Yeah. No, I could go on for days with these types of stories unfortunately. Podcast time doesn't allow us to go on for days without. Oh, yeah.

Like I say, you know. Serious pastation. Well, people, you don't like podcasts. I love them.

I'm going to probably do my own here in the near future or whatever. I'm doing a television show called Sasquatch Island right now. A series or head and out again in December. You're in Christmas holidays.

There's going to be some good outside. I have like two teenage kids with this rotation on Christmas. Gonna split up from their mother. But you know, we're going to dump on one of buddies yachts and his daughters, my partner in Sasquatch Island productions.

And we're going to go to the islands and bring it all about, you know, sorry, most of the areas are at too. So, you know, we can go podcast out there. You know, we're actually hearing us out in the field. No, it'd be wonderful.

You know, for anyone, you know, to sit in the home spanking a monkey, you might as well come out with a lifelike to do with me. Well, where I come from? We call it, you know, slap in the Sasquatch. But you can call it the monkey.