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We have great friends here and Yeah, I mean it's easy to ship post floor I think I feel like probably similar to Florida where you feel like San Francisco and that is it's a I think it's a I don't want to say it's underrated But we have a really nice life down here and it's less crazy than people think we actually live in kind of a purple district or Representative Lewis Ranckel is a Democrat. I think it's good to be around Some Republicans and the quality life here is meant to but bottom eyes. I love it here. I love Gulfstream I love our friends here.
Just don't like their state laws. That's all. Yeah, they're not thrilled But they're state laws even if there's pockets of purple whatever I prefer box the purple actually Washington I know lots of Republicans in Washington anyway We've got a lot to get to today with the election coming down the wire a big weekend a political headline Sorry kids, but it's politics this week plus our friend of pivot is Daniel Lubasky the founder of kind snacks and investor in shark tank He has a new initiative that I've helped him with a little bit that's tackling toxic polarization head on I actually appeared and agreed with Carl See when I'm talking about getting along with the Republicans that's the last Republican I thought I'd get along with but we'll talk about that speaking of which toxic former president and a Florida resident Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden on Sunday It was full of racism sexism and profanity. It includes speeches from Melania Trump Which was calm by comparison Elon Musk who was wearing a hat that used Nazi font That was nice and a Trump's childhood friend David Ram who called Vice President Harris the anti-Christ speakers at the rally Also made in something comments towards Puerto Ricans Jews and Hispanics including calling Puerto Rico Pilot garbage, which was a comic I get it But it wasn't funny and of course everything was vetted in his speech.
Trump said the US is a quote now an occupied country And again described Democrats as the enemy from within which JD Matt spent a lot of time pretending he didn't say What do you think about that rally? It was I mean, I know why he did it because he loves attention and he wants to dunk on people But that was felt like that 1939 Nazi rally that was at the Madison Square Garden. It was very strange Well, I thought actually the energy I to the Republicans credit I thought them turning out that many people and sort of what is arguably the bluest of blue in Manhattan was a good move I was shocked how much energy there was how many Trump Supporters are on Manhattan and I realized you can take a train out from Manhattan. Come on.
Well, they were in Manhattan But I like I thought it was generally speaking the turnout was positive I think that and I might be overestimating it But I think we might have our October surprise that helps the Democrats and that is I think his name is Tony Hinchcliffe the comedian Yeah, well, that's a broad term He's one of those people that moved to Austin to be around Joe Rogan one of those hanger honors, but go ahead I generally believe that comedians deserve a really wide berth and art is what was at Andy Warhol said Art is getting away with it. I like it when comedians are irreverent even inappropriate in the context of trying to soften the beach And get us to think and I cut them a really wide berth thing De Chappelle has said some offensive things but Bill Burr when he talks about he's a pro-life guy But when he talks about he makes, you know, if it's because a pie is happy it doesn't make it a pie I think these are I think comedians actually play a really important role Michelle Wolf who offended a lot of people Okay, can I finish? Yeah, thank you. Well, Michelle Wolf makes what a lot of people think is offensive comments I think we cut her a wide berth.
This guy his joke about Puerto Rico being a big pilot track In the ocean, it not only didn't land. It was just so incredibly tactically stupid at this point in time because in Pennsylvania There are 400,000 Puerto Ricans and if just five or ten thousand of them get motivated Not even to switch the boat but to vote for Harris and actually kind of souls to the polls feed to the street that could swing the entire Election and I thought what he said was so it just landed so poorly and it was so really offensive It was funny about it was just sort of feeding into the zeitgeist that Trump is just deep down his DNA as a racist And he's not your guy unless you are, you know from Northern Europe It it is exactly and I don't know if you saw this but immediately post the rally every Republican who's running for something Distants themselves from the comments. Well, you know, I I'm agreeing with you on look it landed in the room of Venergetic people it didn't even land in the room the crowd didn't like it in any case It wasn't funny. I don't mind irreverent comics if they're funny This wasn't funny and also it was vetted by the Trump people.
Oh, yes, it didn't just do it off the time It was in a teleprompter. They knew what was coming so they knew what he was saying They could have easily said look Joe or whatever is Tony whatever his unfunny name is They could have said, you know what dial it back on the read It just was he totally wanted to do it so he could get liberals going. Oh my god Do you believe that that that's that that's their favorite juvenile tactic in order to get people mad? But it was just pathetic and especially since that was the and they didn't just end with that It was like a range of things about Jews about none of which were funny like I get it I get the idea the comic should be funny and usually they should be able to say things even David Chappelle And I think he goes on and on about turns people in a way that's not funny, but ultimately it's initially It's funny and then it's not because he overdoes it by an hour at least but that's his business even wants to do that in this case It's time and place right they did not have to have this guy there and he wasn't funny and he's here And sure he's a comic but it's a that's a broad term for this fellow But it wasn't just him.
It was his friend. It was calling Hillary Clinton a bitch or something like that It just went on and Tucker Carlson is so strange. I don't even know what to say Elon wearing, you know Nazi font on his hat like they were just all trying to like get the libs go in it Which is their favorite thing and they're tasteless and horrible people. I don't know I'm sorry I just you could attract all kinds of people that I've been a medical square garden with conservative groups when there's sports events where there's wrestling It's like that whole area attracts lots of different people.
So I'm not surprised you got people there It's only 19,000 people by the way that fit in Anyway, I think it does turn off undecided voters And it's just typical of what we're gonna get if he wins this is gonna be a non-stop hate fest And let's tell stupid jokes about women's boobs that for four years or when black people and black people in watermelons Are we back to that that joke black people in watermelons? So funny just tactically speaking as we go into the last eight days I'm focused on how she you know what happens here like who actually wins and the the racist the dog whistles the weirdness the awkwardness The inappropriate I feel like the market has already absorbed that I'm speaking very tactically There are 400,000 Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania if 5,000 of them decided to get off the couch who were going to support Harris But maybe might not have made it to the polls see that and everyone's saying that clip get motivated to turn out It could literally decide who's president. Yeah, I agree on a bad joke. I think it's our I think it's our October surprise I think that I think you're gonna hear that guy Tony Hinchcliffe's name a lot more I think that was the October surprise because there's 400,000 Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania also bad bunny 45 million followers j-lo And they're all gonna you're gonna see so much shit on turtar Yeah, they it was interesting Mike Madrid he writes about latin He wrote a great book on latin latin latin voters said that it's just going crazy It's sort of suddenly has been like, I don't know why people don't get this this guy's a full-on racist don't trump his anyway I'm sure he thought it was funny.
I talked to read Hoffman on on with care so sure about what trumps waters think This was before the rally. Let's hear what he had to say one of the things I've heard from some of the people who were sporting trouble I was like oh yeah, he's talking about tariffs, but he won't do that he's just talking about that as part of doing it That's a classic like what Hindenburg said about Hitler. That's correct, which is like oh no This is just the populace. He's not gonna do anything It's like no, you're generally speaking you should take someone seriously.
So that's that's the good side The bad side is you know grifter crony capitalism is I'm buying something for myself Right and he is the greatest coin-op present in history Anyway, it was an interesting interview with him, you know one thing that struck me at that interview He's a little scared if Trump wins because he's been so he's back teaching Carol He's done all kinds of things. He actually said I'm a little nervous for myself in the case of Trump when yeah I had a an interesting conversation with him fairly well-known news anchor like one of the most iconic news anchors And he was asking me about living in London and I said oh, that's great for quality life We're actually we're we're a bit worried of Trump wins and I thought you're really worried He really think that he would come after you and he said I don't know but we'd rather just not have that risk Yeah, so yeah, it's not whereas it's not Alec Baldwin or whoever threatening to leave It's people saying I'm actually worried I'm I think that my me and my family could be on the wrong end of a justice department or an FBI weaponized by someone who's indicative I hope that's not I should I don't know every time I think every time I say don't be worried Again nothing wrong. So well speaking of acquiescence the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times are facing a backlash Decide not to endorse a presidential candidate. Let me just say you don't have to do that But they were it was weak 10 days for the election I made this decision the post publisher of William Lewis Who I think is one of the most anxious toadies around announced the decision saying it was quote consistent with the values the post has always stood for Which is not true.
Well, you just got here you fucker anyway, but the editorial board reporter Are you salty this morning? You're taking no prisoners. I'm sick of this zero fucks given to on a Monday morning at their swisher I'm taking the prisoners because this guy's bullshit This guy is such a toady from Rupert Murdoch to jump a zos But the editorial board reportedly already had a Harrison Dorsman drafted and approved which the post owner Japanese reported decided not to post multiple colonists that resigned from the post in response to the decision The Los Angeles Times also had a Harrison Dorsman piece from its editorial board ready to go It was blocked by the papers publisher at the last minute Patrick assumed she hung several members the editorial board resigned after the decision There's also a problem between him and his daughter's daughter says it's over Gaza. He's like my daughter seems crazy That's not that reason I've interviewed Patrick.
I find it to be very intelligent about medical things Otherwise he's somewhat of a bonehead. So what do you think about these decisions? They will Lewis keeps lying over and over again saying he didn't read the endorsement doesn't matter if he read it will You think we're stupid tell me what what you think of these and again I don't think you should necessarily endorse presidential candidate something you should change your mind 10 days before An election when your own editorial board which is supposed to be independent which obviously isn't has already drafted something Yeah, but if you look at the fact I don't oppose they've had an endorsement the last time they did endorse someone I think was bush versus do caucus so for the last whatever it is 40 or 50 years they've endorsed somebody uh people inside the paper said that endorsement is lined up and the frightening part of this is that supposedly Someone at Amazon or a division of Amazon met with someone from the Trump campaign to talk about government contracts And that there was pressure applied not to do an endorsement and when you don't do an endorsement the washington posts Let's be honest doesn't do an endorsement It's an implicit endorsement for Trump And what what Sam Harris said that sort of I'm sorry changed my life But informed it he said if you have economic security and people who love you unconditionally You have an obligation to speak your mind because we live in a society Where everyone starts buying into a narrative and feels pressured to bark up the same tree If you will and this is the problem And the benefit of a society on autocracy respectively and that is if you're an autocrat look at the incentives in the math If I were to vigorously endorse Trump I don't believe that Harris would come after me or my business because she adheres to the constitution and doesn't believe In persecuting her political enemies or weaponizing the government to go after a political enemies That's not true with Donald Trump He has said that I'm going to pursue google or that this individual should be locked up So the algebra is the following the incentive is for all of these people who can't stand trump to occasionally throw him a bone and seem less against him There's very little downside to supporting trump publicly as a business person And there's more downside to supporting Harris because if you don't support Harris She's not gonna come after you if you don't support trump He might come after you and this is an example of that And that is you have and this is what's so upsetting about it Is you have a guy who should be less afraid than anyone in a capitalist society that affords a lot of power to people And the fact that he appears to be bowing to pressure from an individual who exerts autocratic Tendencies is just incredibly disappointing. I think arguably this is the worst hit to biz house's brand In a long long time.
He looks terrible here You know, I think the problem is it's also the people at the post at the top didn't push back the editorial board Or will lewis and one of his quotes just drove. I'm sorry about this guy, but he's such a toady The decision to end presidential doors was made entirely internally and neither campaign or candidate was given a heads up or consulted in any way Any level any reporting to the contrary is simply incorrect. Well, you are anxiously disingenuous You don't have to give them a heads up or coordinate. It's a mendacious distraction And it's just what does that have to do?
You don't have to talk to the campaign He knew he's in trouble with space stuff trump met with the blue origin people that day What a bad look, you know, it's all this coincidence, maybe but it certainly looks bad And so that basis has said nothing. I mean, I'll tell you why I'm so spicy I worked for Ben Bradley and Catherine Graham and Don Graham and they were in had integrity. They had um guts They had balls you tweeted that balls picture who has balls and no balls Um, they had the integrity that you know, she she especially that was really under pressure from on lots of broadcast licenses And everything else from the nix administration. What did she do?
She gave him the double finger and said do what you will go ahead go ahead and she actually when they were serving subpoenas She left the Washington Post newsroom and went to her house. So only she would be jailed Can I just say that like what a set this lady had and I loved her. I loved dealing with her She was and to have these Clowns running the post is so I want to buy the newspaper scot So funny said that I had the same thought I thought let's get together some people with much deeper pockets and us an offer to buy it from him But don't be performative about it because my guess is he's had it with their shit All of these billionaires to buy this stuff regret it. They all regret it.
They're all like, oh, well these tech billionaires They don't know how to you know, there's rich people running things. They don't have they all have tiny little balls Do you know balls that's what you have? Little details that it's a hormone replacement therapy, whatever you do it. Um, it's time to get smaller, right?
Is that right? Oh, I'm sorry. I don't know. I can't find my second.
I don't know You have enormous balls compared to Jeff Bezos, but again, it's a low bar by way who who publicly released their endorsement this week That's right. I thought you're gonna say who publicly took pictures of her balls this week But god, you did go ahead say your endorsement. Who did you endorse? Let me guess Trump Yeah, I put out on my number some Allison endorsement Of Harris and be honest other than trying to be a good American and speaking your mind There's no upside because the people listening to know you endorse Harrison the people you know Basically every comment was I agree or stand your lane.
I'm unsubscribing and this is the problem again Look, I believe race page. Yeah, no one's denying you're right to do it And I also think see most CEOs of most companies should probably stay out of this I don't think that's why I think they're there to create your other value When you are the owner of a paper that is the paper in Washington and probably the premier brand in us politics Of course you should have an endorsement I mean, of course you should and then when they have one lined up and the owner weighs in the kind of hands off or mostly The last minute that is bowing to uh, and if this guy is bowing to pressure then who won't It it's like boss You have to be You have to be our hero here. You have to be the last person To bow to pressure here. And so this is I don't think it's too late.
I think he could have fixed this I think he could have said look it got very noisy my brain and I thought it would be easier Just not to this was a mistake. I have listened I've asked the editorial of you to can reconvene be thoughtful and issuing endorsement. He could fix this It's not too late He wants them space contracts with Trump wins and and Harris won't do anything bad to him if she wins Interestingly the person who might have some trouble is Elon Musk reported been in regular contact with Russian president Vladimir Putin since Is a reminder space x played a significant role in the Russia Ukraine war with starlet friday internet access to Ukraine and thwarting the Ukrainian drone attack on Russia in 2022 At one point Putin reportedly asked us to avoid activating star link over Taiwan as a favor to chinese leader jeeshin ping Musk is one of the former president's biggest donors as you noted he may be up for some sort of weird cabinet position because something of efficiency Reprocussions what do you think this thing is nuts? And he apparently didn't talk to the White House when he was doing this I think it's a fair amount of our government in a lack of trust and institutions when you have individuals who are This powerful and technology is beginning in kind of these super national individuals There is absolutely no reason that a world leader should feel impetus to call a business leader because they have that much power This needs to be run to the defense department and in no uncertain terms our department of defense Our secretary of state our joint chiefs need to crisply move against anybody who decides to insert themselves or put them in a position I think he's gonna he's gonna try to roll over him.
He did he said this is this is a problem This is this is an enormous problem and this is it all stems back from and i'm gonna sound like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren When you do it in his voice When people I'd be I'd probably have an easier time doing an air voice When people amass this kind of wealth and a capitalist society and this kind of power and technology Has the ability to be kind of spun up or spun down this quickly and technology kind of as borderless as it is with satellite technology You have you have business people who might be addicted to a disassociative drug cosplaying world leaders That's just and they're not elected. That's just not a good idea. Who knows what he's saying to them I hope they spied on him. I guess don't they spy on people when they talk to Putin supposedly Putin and she but Putin more aggressively begins building a File with embarrassing facts about anyone who's rising in power and then they remind them of that when they're talking to them Including Trump, right?
So anyways, but this is I think crisply American institutions that we we elect and we fund massively And we trust even if you should post them you trust the department of defense and the joint chiefs of staff and native to make these kinds of decisions I don't want Elon Musk negotiating battlefield communications technology directly with Putin CEO's talk to world leaders But our government has dialed into it. This is ridiculous. This is freaking This is nuts and he's gonna continue in a Trump administration By the way president Biden called musk out for his hypocrisy on immigration after washing post was a great story The reporters the washing post can I say you are doing a wonderful job? Fuck your owner, but you're doing a wonderful job reported that he worked illegally in the country on a student visa Let's listen that wealthiest man in the world turned out to be a legal worker here when he was here I'm serious.
You're supposed to be in school And he came from a student visa. He went to school. He was violating the law. He's talking about all these illegals coming our way Yes, the irony he was illegal.
He has talked about it. I've heard him talk about it Yeah, it's a bit of a sideshow but it goes back to I think the primary reason we haven't been serious about immigration reform and to be clear We need borders immigration is gone, especially that although illegal border crossings are actually down this year but What people don't want to acknowledge is the reason we haven't fixed haven't fixed this is we haven't wanted to fix it until recently because the most Immigration is the secret sauce of america, but what people don't talk about is the most profitable part of immigration is illegal immigration And that is specifically illegals basically show up. They don't get arrested They commit crimes at a lower rate. They don't call services.
They don't tax our services They don't like to go to the hospital. They don't call the cops They don't call the fire department because they're worried about being sent home and they're this flexible inexpensive workforce Oh, and by the way, they pay taxes and then they tend to leave once the crops are picked or there's a lack of demand or a lack of supply of jobs It's sort of the ultimate flexible highest ROI labor force in history And this is I don't want to excuse what he's doing, but we should have immigration laws that allow a guy like Elon Musk to say more easily I would like to see anyone anyone who shows that kind of IQ risk-taking even back then he demonstrated this We should accommodate if you know anybody when I first started out to the most talented and I talked a little bit about this One of the most talented people I've ever run across this woman and clothed a joke us Took me into a conversation. I need to speak to you. She'd gone to Yale.
She was a gymnast Canadian said I have to leave I couldn't get my visa in time and I have to leave and I have to go back to Canada And like you're doing those such thing. I have money I'm gonna hire lawyers and we're gonna figure this out and unfortunately if you have money, you usually can't figure this stuff out But the fact that our INS or whoever it is is kicking the most talented people out of the country And at the same time turning a blind eye to the most profitable part. It's just all it's all fucked up But yeah, this is going back to the beginning. It is incredibly hypocritical Although I don't think he's been that aggressive against illegal immigrants.
Has it been very immigrants? Yes He's like half the negative stuff on Twitter that's inaccurate is from his tweets about immigrants. Yes. Oh, no He's like demented.
Oh, he's just like he's just like dialing it up everywhere he goes on the immigrant That's been his biggest focus lately. He got off the transfer a minute and then now he's on immigrants and I don't know woke Whatever. He's a tiresome school. He said something earlier in the podcast.
I didn't realize I've just been blissfully ignorant over the past No, Florida. He he had you think that the the font on his hat was purposefully reminiscent of Nazi propaganda. It's a it's a font Is that uh look like it look like the Nazi font to me. Anyway, you know, I always think of The thing that really got me.
I'll tell you was that they did this Madison Square Garden thing Just miles from Statue of Liberty, right? We're on the Statue of Liberty There's a poem which is called The New Colossus, right? It's a son by Emma Lazarus, right? She wrote the poem in 1883 to raise money for construction of it And the last part keep your ancient lands your storied palm christie with silent lips Give me your tired your poor your huddled masses yearning to breathe free This is the part I think is important The wretched refuse of your teaming sure send these the homeless tempest toss to me I lift my lamp besides the golden door.
I mean honestly what is my grandfather came in on that on a ship He was a wretched refuse. He was nobody and he made a company. He raised children. Um, you know, it's just It's so depressing.
It's so depressing to watch these people. Thank you. That's my poetry That's why I'm really bothered by this. Um, it's just grotesque.
I think and there's so they're so lucky these people who are doing this They're so rich. They're so They've got everything and they still can't be generous. It's astonishing and they're so hateful Okay, scott, let's go on a quick break and we come back We'll talk about Michelle Obama making her amazing case to nail voters And we'll speak with a friend of pivot daniel libitsky about his efforts to hold politicians accountable for their words and actions Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light rich creamy chocolatey aero truffle feel the aero bubbles melt It's mine bubbling. I'm at first two time in the resale champion championship MVP and forward for the usms national team Before I went pro I graduated from Harvard with a degree in psychology Which comes in handy more than you think any athlete pursuing greatness knows there's a certain mentality You have to have what people don't know is what that costs in my podcast confessions of elite athlete I sit down with the best athletes in the world and explore the psychology mindset and unseen battles on the path to greatness So take a seat and learn from the confessions of an elite athlete on youtube or wherever you get your podcasts Honest to god like skinny I want to be jacked without context tone and sculpt are rooted in diet culture We're inheriting a lot of nonsense that makes specifically women feel like they have to shrink in order to expand and I'm just saying no Let's just like lift heavy and like take up space.
That's the expansion I remember that son and this week on project swagger. I break down the strategies that helped me build confidence and feel at home in my body Especially after two babies. Listen now at project swagger wherever you get your podcasts Scott we're back with more political news. Michelle obama made a powerful plea to voters over the weekend at a rally in michigan Her first appearance on the trail this year.
She's such a good speaker obama warned about the risk that Donald Trump poses to women's health and told women They should demand to be treated as more than baby making vessels She also took a page out of scott galloway playbook and directed her argument towards men I think she must be listening to scott. Let's listen But to anyone out there thinking about sitting out this election or voting for Donald Trump or a third party candidate in protest because you're fed up Let me warn you your rage does not exist in a vacuum If we don't get this election right your wife your daughter your mother we as women will become collateral damage to your rage Scott you could have written that what do you think of the case? I thought it was I thought it was arguably the most powerful Speech given in 2024. I would agree both of them Because as someone who's thinking a lot about masculinity and I'm writing a book on trying to figure out an aspirational modern form of a given The world has just changed You know I come to these three legs of the stool provider protector and procreator And protector she just called on and another quote in the in the speech I thought was just outstanding if your wife is shivering and bleeding on the operating room table during a routine delivery gone bad Her pressure dropping as she loses more and more blood or some unforeseen infection spreads and her doctors aren't sure if they can act You will be the one praying that it's not too late.
You will be the one pleading for somebody anybody to do something and then she goes on To say If we don't get this election right your wife your daughter your mother we as women will become collateral damage to your rage This is really trying to call on what men should have as a default operating system as men and that is to move to protection And she called on that she said look guys It's time for you to step up and protect us. We are under threat and going very base the reason women choose mates in large part is based on who they believe if they are vulnerable especially during the time of Pregnancy or when the kids are young that you have the skills the intellect the kindness the strength the courage to protect them That is primarily are the key reason why women find certain men more attractive than others And men if they want to express their masculinity if they want to be true men Their default has to be to protection and there is no one Who is who we are set up to protect or have more of an obligation to protect than the mothers The spouses and the daughters in our life. And I thought she just tapped into that perfectly I thought it was so powerful. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't tisky.
It's like let me tell you boys It was really she's such a gifted political speaker. I mean her democratic having been there when she did it and also then watching it later What a political talent She doesn't want to run but I'm like she articulates things just you know, she's a lawyer She's gonna be good at talking but she's trained as a lawyer, but man She's an astonishing person. Anyway, let's change the subject Let's talk some entertainment news california governor Gavin Newsom wants to get hollywood back on track with massive increase in the states film Tax incentives we touched on this last week about the number of productions declining in the in the california area Obviously, it's been to death been happening for a while and it was always completely there And then they moved around to other countries, etc But Newsom announced a proposal on sunday to boost that states tax credits from $330 million to $750 million still not that much Increase could take effect as early as july 2025 if approved by the state legislature overall production in the la area It was down 5% in q3 the weakest quarter of the year below 2023 strike levels california's lost production dollars to other states that offer attractive incentives Georges as you know is among the new york also as well as countries including canada and pro-acial creation apparently looks like a lot of places Um, you know, it's a lot cheaper to send people all over the place and george has made a really aggressive and Has a lot of production happening there, which is a good thing for a state to do to bring things in away from california So what do you think about this? I think it's not pretty much money, but it's more money.
What do you think this is a good move in general In general, I don't like subsidies because it ends up being a race at the bottom and corporations do this and when Everyone wants to be the pepsi generation and keeps throwing shit at amazon and they lie and say that columbus Oh, hi or phoenix actually have a shot when it ends up just being whoever's closest to his mancaves, right dc and New york, you know At some point we do need actual tax revenue from corporations and the biggest ones have been very good at playing states off against each other So as a whole there's something about this subsidies that bothers me because eventually what you have is corporations Who now have the lowest tax burden they've had since 1938 I don't know how to solve it competition interstate is actually good on a lot of ways in this specific instance Given the atmospherics given what's happening to la This isn't easy one. It's a great idea Just explain what they are for people who understand what they they do because you know This race to the bottom idea is important because people want like texas wants to cut taxes to bring people there Etc. It often is could be a race the bottom explain why they're good Well, if you're producing a movie if you produce it whether basically saying is if you know Canada has a big tax subsidy They say if you produce your film here because of the jobs whether it's catering or makeup artists Or editors or the people who rent the vans and the trucks and the cameras It'll inspire an economic activity to what we'll do is we'll give you a credit if you spend $30 million on a film We'll give you when you qualify and you the majority of filming and post-production whatever's on here We'll give you a $3 million credit and that may not sound like a lot But if you can reduce your exposure by 10 15 or 20 percent It dictates where you're going to film and Atlanta's been very aggressive about this some Canada has been very aggressive in the u.s Or california had a had a a smallish kind of underfunded credit And the basically what he's done is he's supersized it and the analysis It's really powerful that that basically justifies why you would do this for every tax credit allocated California benefited from at least $24 in economic output $16 in gross domestic product 860 and wages and $1.07 in state and local tax revenues So this is actually from a tax standpoint It's tax neutral while inspiring a lot of economic activity and especially in la Where they have the stuff Yeah, it's a really good idea to strategically because the quality of talent in la is just superior to any region in the world around this stuff People dream when when really talented creatives or people want to be in the movie business When they come out of you know that the star of the drama club or they're good at building sats and they come out of high school or college If this is their dream they get on a bus or a plane for la So it's such a big part of la's identity and if you can offer you don't even have to be Less just as long as you're competitive a lot of people are going to choose to shoot in la because the talent pool is so deep So this is given the reality that there are other states and countries offering tax credits And the fact that production by some estimates is down something like 30 or 40 percent in la This was absolutely the right move at the right time. Yeah, and they have all that's the studios I did You and I both done productions there and they're just so superb the people that work there whether you're on something like bill mar Or I was recently on a tv show.
It's just so good From even down to like the craft table And I have done it in other places. It's not the same as los angeles. It just is in California So they should they should own it. They should keep it But although I have to say, you know, the l word was done up in vancouver And I used to visit my friends up there who do the l word and it was they also had a really tight day Jennifer bills live there or maybe she still does Um, it was really a great place to film and a great place to live for a lot of those people So there's tons of tv shows in vancouver and atlanta So anyway good for grabbing new some in any case, but let's bring in our friend of pivot Daniel libeski is the founder of kind snacks and the newest permanent investor on shark tag He's also the founder of the builders movement a non-profit initiative aiming at tackling polarization worldwide.
Welcome, daniel Thank you tara. Thank you scott. It's so nice to see you both You just hear right so I just want to say I just for disclosure I was on one of his first calls and I me and carl rove a person I never thought I wanted to talk to ever Let alone agree with had a really interesting discussion, which was which was surprising for me Anyway, we'll talk about the minute but for people who might not know you only from kind snacks and shark tank Explain what the builders movement is and what it actually does the builders movement recognizes that 87 percent of americans are fed up with all these hyper parties and tribal division And we want to transform this us versus the mentality with a problem solving mindset and toolkit And we have analyzed over the last 10 years the five or six forces that are contributing to toxic polarization and to try to counteract them An education civics and the media with our own mouse drops that are the process of being built including the builders power rankings that you Just participated in and we're grateful that you are great to go on with carl rove and your young So you've sort of gamified this recently by launching these power rankings Which I said I participated and talk about how the rankings work and hold politicians accountable So our insight is that all of us are really really exhausted with just being used by scandal and politicians to raise money and to divide rather than Solve problems and so instead of voting just purely based on whether somebody has a dear or an hour or We're trying to get people to study. Are they actually builders or dividers?
Are they helping unite and bring light and soft problems together or they're dividing demolishing and destroying and We're used we partnered with a polarization research lab to use AI to Scour all resources on the internet and elsewhere every week to try to see whether people are actually introducing bipartisan legislation Whether actually speaking on the issue substantively or whether they're just trying to set up fires to destroy one another and criticize one another and to be Transparent, it's not perfectly designed because sometimes people are appearing at least from my perspective a little bit poorer because they were tough But maybe they were being tough responding to somebody that had attacked them and they're persistent and pernicious haters But the goal right now we launched within three four months a minimum viable product lowercase MVP We hope that we're coming years It'll become the most viable player and you'll become the source for people to go to builders power rankings for them to understand Whether somebody's being a builder and they get a from AI they get a score a blend score based on whether they're introducing bipartisan legislation solving problems Being constructive or where they're dividing and then at least for these rounds Every week we bring in panelists across the spectrum of politics to criticize the rankings And to have a new one's conversation and we've had over a quarter million people that in the last two three weeks have joined and Learned a little bit more and we hope to do a better job of getting people to fix those issues. Okay, Scott. Yeah, it's always good to see Daniel So I'm wondering so similar to how there are rankings from democratic and republican institutions kind of giving them a score and different Special interest groups whether it's the NRA or Planned Parenthood. They put out ratings or rankings.
This seems like it's another rating that's basically going to say how bipartisan or how moderate you are Is that accurate? That's literally the aspiration is for people to replace those hyper-partisan scoring things with our all-inclusive builders ranking and Cara criticized appropriately when she was on the panel that we didn't have one for independence today We ranked republicans and democrats and for both the five stop builders and the five bottom dividers And it's a very hyper-known partisan by structure We cannot make it partisan because we're criticizing dividers and praising builders from both parties as an aspiration We hope to also do that for independence and to try to introduce more and more independence One of the biggest problems with our system is that the systems arrayed against independence against It's four incumbents. One of the problems we have is only 13% support congress There's 13% for congress but 90% of congress members get reelected And it's because of gerrymandering and all these systems that both their republicans and the democrats creating the system to try to divide the spoils and staying power And this is why people are so dissatisfied because we keep seeing that The choices that we're being presented are really really in fear as a result of the duopoly that creates so much stagnation And we hope to introduce a system where we're going to hold accountable and not just say oh just because i'm a republican or democrat I'm going to blindly vote for my know have they been builders have they been actually solving problems from my community Are they actually addressing what we're not need or they're just uh right now we have a big incentive for like kara said for the Marjorie teller green so he sees of the world to Oh, I'm sorry. Daniel.
You cannot put them in the same. I'm sorry. You can't you simply cannot how about how about we see that live on marjorie teller green Nobody is like marjorie teller green daniel see this was my problem with this whole thing is there are certain people who are pernicious haters that are gaming Everybody else but go ahead What's interesting to me Um from from the last 10 years of doing this work is that I have the identical conversations with both sides and when I say this Come on. Nobody's as bad as the squatter like you know what um what's interesting also is when you talk to the media and you say guys You're really only covering the dividers and you're not covering the builders and they're like no we're doing our job We're doing our job.
That's not true. They're not doing their job because guess who covers marjorie teller green the new york times Guess who covers the squad wall street journal guess how much coverage of the wall street journal or fox news give to marjorie teller green zero She is not in the media on the right wing the right wing the journal has the journal certainly barely barely if you look we did a study Last year called change the coverage and it was fascinating the media that liens democrat covers all the crazes from the right wing The media done is right covers all the ones on the left. I I really understand that my mother didn't know about Arnold Palmer when I said about the Arnold Palmer comment about trump because she watched Us like what what did he say? No, it was fascinating.
I'm like apparently has a big shlong But let's go but you've called yourself a moderate. Um where do moderates fit into the initiative, especially in the current political moment Um, I think I think we can all agree last night was really a terrible situation and for people who don't know You're you're the son of Sonya and roman lubetsky and they're a hollow called survivor and a Lithuanian Ashkenazi Jew. Um, you also grew up in mexico city. Correct.
Is that correct and you moved as a teenager? My father was born in great alatia and survived the hawkers was liberated by american soldiers when he was after being a In a hospital and as a refugee for a year. He then immigrated to mexico where he met my mom My mom was born in a small town in mexico her parents had immigrated a generation before also from eastern euro And uh, I immigrated to united states when I was 16 my teenager So you're aware of all these. I mean you've lived all these issues and everything else So talk about you being a moderate right now and how how you were trying to get to the center In some fashion.
It makes it very difficult. I think I'm misunderstanding of people is that they think that uh moderates have to belong to You can be a democrat or republican or independent. It'll be a moderate for us. We we stop using the word moderate because it carries Uh, politicians that are not what we're doing So we started to use it the language of builders but for us a builder a person that uses compassion creativity curiosity and courage They're the forces of a builder's mindset and they apply not just in civil society They apply what we're building kind the company where you're building any bridges any jobs any social enterprise If you have curiosity You don't assume that you have all the answers you have a little bit of Humility to listen to the other side you have compassion to understand what the other side is coming from or over critical listener and a critical Uh thinker and then you have the courage to work across lines of difference And you have the creativity to think outside the box and come up with solutions So those are the things we're trying to instill into society through education by replacing all these Ideologies that come from the extremes with actual tools for helping young students and all of us Replace this increasing virginity from social media and other things with a little bit of our better ability to think through these issues So daniel in order to have a ranking that impacts people and says that assuming you're looking for kind of rich builders or moderates You have to have candidates that are at least somewhat viable as moderates And I think it's a real challenge now because of gerrymandering and essentially there are no general elections anymore It's all about the primary because of the way districts have been gerrymandered because the way the algorithms love polarized divisive rhetoric It does any of this matter if we don't get to like final five and rank choice voting because I'm worried that Your rating will be just bad for everybody who we have ends up in the in the general if you will I think uh, you're correct that the incentives matter and people these politicians are they don't need to be leaders They're going to be followers and they respond to those incentives Uh, and I do think you're right that we need to have structural changes to reduce gerrymandering and increase participation primaries And all the things you mentioned and there are a lot of builders They really are which is don't hear about them because the media doesn't do a good job Portraying them and part of our job is to try to elevate them.
So senator john also from a democrat from georgia appeared twice as a builder Represented lorit Chavez the reamer i would publicly from moragon appeared twice as a builder And these are people that are in battleground districts or states that Have the strength to be builders and it tends to be like you would assume scott That the most divisive voices come from districts that have been so gerrymandered that the general election doesn't matter That it just they just try to throw red meat at their at their primary voters So uh representative lands good and a republican of texas was a divider towards three rounds uh representative eric swall well a democrat of california representative mary melor at republican of lino they kept coming up as people that were just Engaged in personal attacks rather than constructive solutions. I think scott's kind of a moderate right side. Yeah, I do Right. Yeah, so um, there's a there's a famous poem of eights with a center will not hold Right.
Um and now we have the noise the noise you know the noisy among us are the ones that are getting the most attention It's a famous poem, obviously. Um, but are you concerned the polarization is going to get worse after the election and which can it would be worse given their records I am absolutely terrified about our direction of our country either way. I I'm frankly I'm nothing short of terrified You know karen scott. I I known you from the work I used to do in the middle east for 25 years to build bridges between journalism Palestinians And my assumption when I immigrated to united states and I grew up and I went to law school I did my work was that the way I was going to contribute was by bringing american values abroad and by trying to have respect rule of law kindness ability Uh democracy be the values that we bring to others and I worked for close to 30 years already helping Israelis and pastenias Jovina's jiu-jitsu search trade with one another bill of movement uh to empower moderate and faff or myself obviously I would fail it's been A disaster not only in the middle east, but now all of these uh, tribalization division and divisiveness is being explored across the world and foreign adversaries That are authoritarian rulers whether it's in russia china iran north korea or vanguard But we really, really need to take this very seriously.
And I think that the only where we're going to change is going back to what Scott was saying about structural changes and about demanding from both, you know, this is a duopoly, the democratic and republican parties are both broken. Think about what we have today. You have a presidential candidate from the right where 40 out of 44 of his self-selected cabinet members said, do not vote for this guy. And he, you know, prevents- They're not just saying do not vote.
They're saying he's a fascist. And they saw, and he sought to prevent the orderly transitional power and leading up to January 6th. Like I cannot support him, but in spite of that, it's like he should be easily defeated. You have a election that's going to be so, so tight.
So you have to question and understand that there's problems on the left too, because if the Democrats are not able to feel the candidate that can easily defeat a person with a tracker court, the system is completely broken and I can walk through- Or people like autocrats, Daniel? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so.
I think that's too simplistic. I don't agree with you. I think they love them in certain places. And they seem to like a big data, I guess.
Before you go, let me ask you quickly about Shark Tank, the New York Times recently in a story that looked at how the show evolved over the years and proclaimed, want to understand the US economy? Watch Shark Tank. Tell me why you're doing this. What does it reveal about the economy and entrepreneurship?
And I like some of the panelists, others, I think, are as dumb as a box of hammers, but I think you're smart. So tell me why you're on it. First of all, every one of the- Kevin O'Leary. But go ahead.
Kevin O'Leary is ridiculous. Like, they process, they're witty and they process really fast, and they all keep me on my toes. Okay. Part of the reason I'm on it.
Daniel, Daniel, you're a much better entrepreneur than Kevin O'Leary. But go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
You're very good. Part of the reason I'm there is because it's really intellectually stimulating and challenging. I'm like, where's he going? Oh, my God.
He was right. I learned so much from him. But the most important thing is the entrepreneurs that they come in, by the way, it takes a lot of guts to shop on that carpet, and then they tell you these incredible stories and provide incredible stories. And honestly, entrepreneurship is one of the last hopes for our nation and for the world.
It's where you're building bridges, where you're thinking like a builder, when you're taking the risk to actually do something constructive, to build something good for society. And it's probably our biggest secret weapon is our country, and we need to support it and elevate it. And that's why we do that. Give us some behind the music here.
Give us something you found out about Shark Tank, and don't have it be how smart they are, your other sharks. Give us some gossip. It's for me, Scott, when I first did the first season, Mark told me get over it because everything resets. And I didn't quite understand it, but what happens is you, this is your money, and you don't know enough.
You have to develop very quick weapon recognition. And then you decide that you want to go for a deal, and then somebody throws you under the bus and you are authentically pissed off and you're like, really upset. And then there's a break. And by the next round, we're the next, because we're filming two parts.
So you film eight or 10 episodes in one day, and after 15 to an minute break, you reset, and these guys are like, they really, you really do get into it, and then you need to reset. And you're forming your high access. And Daniel's still back at number one. Like, what is your degree?
Well, that was my first season. I was like, I was upset for a few seconds, and now you have to just reset, reset, reset. And what's the most recent company you've invested in Daniel and Shark Tank? Well, we cannot share till they air.
Most recent public one, when people know about. There's a woman, there's two women that launched a company called Toastnet, they're immigrants also from Venezuela, and they make frozen refrigerated Hispanic food that's delicious, like an e-pass, a chapas, like foods that for Hispanics will love them. But even, you know, Americans, like them, it's kind of like a sandwich bread made of corn that tastes really, really good. And what's cool about them is they were, she had a baby the same day that her episode aired and she was carrying the baby and watching the episode.
Yeah, that was a great one. I love that one. I love her episode too. I just want to tell a very big story about Daniel and how I met him is he owned code.com.
And I wanted to get it from him because we ended up with code.net. I love the code.com. The code.com. And I wanted it for our new site and he called me back and he said, if you could change your conference to a conference about peace, I will give it to you.
And I was like, no fucking way, Daniel. And I never forget that. And he's like, Cara, we need peace. I'm like, we don't need peace, Daniel.
I mean, give me the thing. I'll give you a million. No, he wanted a conference. I know.
And even today, Daniel, I'm not going to do a conference about peace, but I appreciate, I did show up at your thing and Carl Rov and I did give you a hard time, which was fun to do together. If you get challenges, the challenge for society, it really is a question that we are going to allow the center to not hold. And if we don't, every one of your listeners do something to become a builder and to try to solve their communities, it is going to catch up with us. It's going to get worse if you don't all take care of ourselves to do something.
Although that Carl Rov and I are the center now is really something. Right. Anyway, thank you so much, Daniel. And I really thought it was really enjoyable what you're doing.
And I hope you really get them any more help you want about. And Scott would be a really good advisor to that. Anyway, thank you so much, Daniel, the Beth Skate. Thank you, Scott and Cara.
It's nice to see you both. All right, Scott, isn't he? He's a lovely guy. So I met Daniel in 1999, we were in the same global leaders of tomorrow, the Davos.
And he was the peace guy. He was just running around. He had all these weird little businesses bringing Palestinians and Israelis together. And he was starting all these ridiculous businesses that made no sense.
And when I was like, but he was so likable and he had such a big good heart. And but I don't want to say it wasn't taken seriously, but he's always the guy like, pieces the answer, pieces the crisis. What do you want to do the website? And then he starts this company called Kind.
He's like, show them my office. I said, can you help me start this business? And I'm like, well, not really. I don't know much about the confection market.
Anyway, it's fast forward, like seven years later, he sold it for a billion dollars. The peace guy. Oh, God. And literally there are few people you would be more happy if they make a billion dollars in Daniel LeBescu.
Let's get him to help us by the Washington Post. He's a really, he's like a big hearted, lovely guy. And the candy bars are delicious. And that's what they are.
I'm sorry to tell you, but that's candy bar there. Anyways, they're fantastic. Are you want to week it around? Something like that.
Anyway, Scott, let's go on a quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails. I'm a said Herndon. And this is America, actually.
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Join us. Search for and follow The Long Game, wherever you get your podcasts. OK, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. I've sort of already mentioned mine.
My, well, start with my fail. My fail is the comedian mocking the Puerto Rican people in eight days out distinctive the racist undertones of it. It's just tactically really, really stupid to insult a community that comprises 400,000 voters in the ultimate swing state. It's just distinct of the underlying troublesome comments.
It was just it was a self-inflicted injury that the Trump campaign did not need at this moment. That's my fail. Just strategically. This could not have been more stupid.
And my win, I thought Michelle Obama's comments telling men that they're essentially they need to protect women. I just love the notion of associating manhood with the default setting around protection. I thought she was very powerful. And I hoped that a lot of people, specifically men who are sort of on the couch and not thinking that some of the issues facing women right now don't affect them.
They absolutely do. So I thought she was really powerful. I think that's probably my favorite speech of 2024. So it was my failed.
This is unforced era on the Republicans part insulting a community that could play a huge part in the election. And my win is a very forceful former First Lady Michelle Obama. She really is impressive. She really truly is.
I would say my fail is the Washington Post editorial leaders. Let me just speak. Full disclosure, my wife works for the op-ed section. She's not involved in any of this and didn't have any idea about any of this.
But there's two people who have just left the board. Molly Roberts, a young woman. She's resigned. And editorial board member David Hoffman is also resigning just for people who didn't know Hoffman, legendary reporter accepted the Pulitzer last week for his series on new technologies and the tactics authoritarian regimes used to repress dissent in the digital age and how they can be fought.
That was what he wanted people to resign from the board of the editorial board of the Washington Post. David, you're a hero. I'm sorry. Those pieces were wonderful.
Molly is a young woman. It's a very white male board. Others are going to leave. It's largely white male board.
I'm sorry. That's what it is. And they pretend they have other people on it that aren't really serving. So just a real fail from them.
I can't say a lot because my wife works there. I wish she didn't. I'll be honest with you. And so she has lots of other opportunities and to have to work with these people is really something I'm not thrilled about.
But it's her choice. My win is that there are, again, when I hear some voters speaking, not these terrible people at this Trump rally. I'm sorry. I'll use the Hillary Clinton.
Some of these people are deplorable. They absolutely are. I've been listening to a lot of interviews with independent voters and they're so smart. They really are.
I know we make Jofana people who haven't decided, et cetera, et cetera. But they are considering really important things for their families and their lives. And I get that the choice seems very stark here. And I think that I'm very heartened by listening to them at least because they're being considerate of things.
And the second win is the New York Times editorial leader, Katie Kingsbury, who I haven't always gotten along with. I have to say, I think she's a tough nut, but she is posting their Kamala Harris endorsement and the video they made, which was really good. And actually, the editorial was quite good and well argued and stuff like that. And she's dunking on them.
And I just got to say, Katie, new respect, new respect for your, and it was a very well-written endorsement. And I would like to put an offer out to anyone at the LA Times or the Washington Post who has that endorsement of Kamala Harris. Please, please, leak them to anybody, any reporter, and my lines are open if you have it. Please.
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And while we're at it, the results from last week's threads pull are in in response to the question, who would make a better Halloween costume, Cara or Scott, I won by a landslide winning with a whopping 2. 72% of the vote and actually- Is that really a win? It is. It's not really a win.
It is. It's not really a win. It is. I agree.
I'm the great winner. Does this convince you to change your costume to Cara Swisher? You're so much more- I look like a fish that's when I'm too close to a reactor. You have big hair and sunglasses.
Yeah. You're much better Halloween costume. But I need your help. What do you do?
It's kind of down to two costumes. One of them is not you. I'm either going to go with Richard Simmons. Right?
I thought that was the choice. Okay. But in promise, I'm going to a party in London which sucks because it's cold and the women don't dress as slutty. So it's not nearly as good.
It's like a giant tease. I'm in Miami, but I can't be here for Halloween. Anyways. That would be perfect for Miami.
Which was a payphone costume. I almost bought it and then I just didn't. You were going to go as a payphone? I was a payphone.
I am a payphone. Get it? No one would recognize me. See?
I'd blend in. I'd be like, what is that? Well, I'll think about it. But I think you should go as Arnold Palmer's penis.
That's my choice. Okay. That's interesting. Anyway, that's the show.
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