EPISODE · Mar 25, 2026 · 47 MIN
What Clinical Therapists Need to Know about Conversion Therapy Survivors with Sam Nieves
from The Liberated Porch Podcast · host Kit Morgan
This episode dives into the complex world of recovery for survivors of conversion therapy, exploring personal stories, therapist pitfalls, and pathways toward healing through community, self-acceptance, and informed mental health support. Whether you're a survivor, ally, or mental health professional, this conversation offers crucial insights and practical guidance.Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction to the episode and guest Sam Nieves00:27 - Exploring why conversion therapy survivors struggle to seek therapy02:39 - The importance of labeling oneself as a survivor and community validation03:24 - Internalized transphobia and societal expectations delaying self-acceptance05:36 - Redefining conversion therapy and expanding its understanding08:07 - The necessity of self-validity and the danger of internalized shame09:21 - Addressing patriarchal and cisnormative narratives in survivor stories10:14 - Coercion related to gender expression and societal expectations for women and men12:24 - The intersection of sex, sensuality, and gender expression coercion in conversion therapy14:41 - Debunking the phrase “love is love” and embracing diverse expressions of love15:54 - Exploring asexuality, aromanticism, and the importance of community acceptance17:36 - The importance of validating diverse identities beyond societal boxes20:22 - Access to information and social media’s role in liberation and visibility21:00 - The impact of labels, identity fluidity, and the risks of conversion practices on identity expression22:23 - Parental fears, gender exploration, and accepting diverse journeys23:53 - The importance of allies understanding but avoiding moral absolutism in support27:56 - The role of curiosity, attunement, and holding space in therapy with survivors29:42 - The importance of curiosity and humility in therapeutic practice30:21 - Recognizing symbolic trauma and encouraging healing through emotional expression31:40 - The therapeutic need to hold space for anger and grief33:59 - The danger of minimizing or invalidating survivor emotions and boundary setting36:33 - Religious trauma, death anxiety, and spiritual implications of survival37:14 - Navigating fears of emotional overwhelm and self-harm in therapy37:59 - The importance of safe, non-judgmental spaces for confronting difficult emotions38:24 - The ongoing critique and evolution of therapy for better inclusion of survivors’ needs39:19 - How survivor stories and resilience can inform healing and advocacy40:50 - Key findings from research on healing needs: community, validation, facing the past42:28 - Building sober, affirming community and avoiding dissociation through substance use45:17 - The journey of self-discovery, reclaiming identity, and embracing authenticity47:02 - Closing remarks on the power of shared stories and gratitudeResources:* https://conversiontherapysurvivors.org/ — Support and advocacy organization* https://www.amazon.ca/Shame-Sex-Attraction-Survivors-Stories-Conversion/dp/1805011324 — Personal stories of healing* https://asexuality.org/ — Education and community for ace identities* @cantpraymeaway on Instagram and TikTok
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This episode dives into the complex world of recovery for survivors of conversion therapy, exploring personal stories, therapist pitfalls, and pathways toward healing through community, self-acceptance, and informed mental health support. Whether you're a survivor, ally, or mental health professional, this conversation offers crucial insights and practical guidance.Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction to the episode and guest Sam Nieves00:27 - Exploring why conversion therapy survivors struggle to seek therapy02:39 - The importance of labeling oneself as a survivor and community validation03:24 - Internalized transphobia and societal expectations delaying self-acceptance05:36 - Redefining conversion therapy and expanding its understanding08:07 - The necessity of self-validity and the danger of internalized shame09:21 - Addressing patriarchal and cisnormative narratives in survivor stories10:14 - Coercion related to gender expression and societal expectations for women and men12:24 - The intersection of sex, sensuality, and gender expression coercion in conversion therapy14:41 - Debunking the phrase “love is love” and embracing diverse expressions of love15:54 - Exploring asexuality, aromanticism, and the importance of community acceptance17:36 - The importance of validating diverse identities beyond societal boxes20:22 - Access to information and social media’s role in liberation and visibility21:00 - The impact of labels, identity fluidity, and the risks of conversion practices on identity expression22:23 - Parental fears, gender exploration, and accepting diverse journeys23:53 - The importance of allies understanding but avoiding moral absolutism in support27:56 - The role of curiosity, attunement, and holding space in therapy with survivors29:42 - The importance of curiosity and humility in therapeutic practice30:21 - Recognizing symbolic trauma and encouraging healing through emotional expression31:40 - The therapeutic need to hold space for anger and grief33:59 - The danger of minimizing or invalidating survivor emotions and boundary setting36:33 - Religious trauma, death anxiety, and spiritual implications of survival37:14 - Navigating fears of emotional overwhelm and self-harm in therapy37:59 - The importance of safe, non-judgmental spaces for confronting difficult emotions38:24 - The ongoing critique and evolution of therapy for better inclusion of survivors’ needs39:19 - How survivor stories and resilience can inform healing and advocacy40:50 - Key findings from research on healing needs: community, validation, facing the past42:28 - Building sober, affirming community and avoiding dissociation through substance use45:17 - The journey of self-discovery, reclaiming identity, and embracing authenticity47:02 - Closing remarks on the power of shared stories and gratitudeResources:* https://conversiontherapysurvivors.org/ — Support and advocacy organization* https://www.amazon.ca/Shame-Sex-Attraction-Survivors-Stories-Conversion/dp/1805011324 — Personal stories of healing* https://asexuality.org/ — Education and community for ace identities* @cantpraymeaway on Instagram and TikTok
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